Bills Beaten In All Three Phases By Jets
by MattRichWarren on Oct 3, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
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The Buffalo Bills lost to the New York Jets 38-14 at Ralph Wilson Stadium this afternoon. The Jets' offense moved the ball at will. The Bills' offense had trouble with the pass rush and run defense all day. The special teams were lackluster, too.
Ryan Fitzpatrick scrambled seven times for 74 yards and went 12 of 27 through the air for 128 yards and a pair of TD passes. Both touchdowns and most of the yardage came with the game well in hand for New York, however, as Buffalo's rushing attack managed just 40 yards outside of Fitzpatrick's efforts. Fred Jackson was the most successful, getting 21 yards on three rushes. Marshawn Lynch, who lost a fumble, rushed four times for eight yards. C.J. Spiller added two carries for 11 yards.
David Nelson had a great drive to end the first half, catching two balls for 48 yards as the Bills put their first touchdown on the board with 41 seconds remaining. Fitzpatrick found TE David Martin in the back of the end zone for the score. The other touchdown pass came in the fourth quarter, when Fitzpatrick found Steve Johnson against an all-out blitz for 13 yards. Nelson finished with 4 catches for 75 yards on the day to lead the Bills.
On defense, the Bills were like a sieve, allowing the Jets to gash them for 274 rushing yards. LaDainian Tomlinson (133 and two TDs) and Shonn Green (117) both topped 100 yards rushing. It was the first time since October of 2008 that Tomlinson topped 100 yards on the ground. Mark Sanchez threw two touchdown passes and Brad Smith had one as well out of the Jets' version of the Wildcat offense. Dustin Keller continued the run of tight end success against the Bills, catching two of those touchdown passes.
Despite Brian Moorman becoming the all-time leader in punt yardage in Bills history, the special teams were not free from mistakes, as Chris Ellis muffed a short kickoff after the Jets' first touchdown drive. Nick Folk missed the eventual field goal attempt, so there was no harm done. Roscoe Parrish had a 26-yard return later in the game, as well.
Next week, the Bills welcome the Jacksonville Jaguars and Trent Edwards to Orchard Park at 1 PM. For now, the comments section is yours to respond to the Bills' performance against the Jets.
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I think LT just ran for another first down.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
He’s washed up, right?
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rumblers brought it though
1200 comments during a nightmare, go BR!
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
by WABillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I see Chris Kelsay and Poz falling down, getting mauled, or jumping on a pile 10 yards downfield again with Donte Whitner jawing at someone after a 20 yard gain by them.
I went to this game whitner had 13 tackles, poz had a few and kelsay actually in my opinion looked good. I was surprised.
Drayton Florence sucks. Straight up.
by sketchydave on Oct 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
From the TeeVee here, Kelsay looked like he should be playing college football. He was terrible in my book. Whitner was very up and down. Unfortunately, the up happened when it didn’t matter anymore.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
Maybe I just saw kelsay near the ball more, he made some tackles. Was he worse than the first 3 games? I remember specifically kelsay outta position and MISSSING tackles in the first few games especially miami
by sketchydave on Oct 3, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He flat our ran right past 3 potential tackles in the backfield that I saw. He can’t pass rush. He can’t cover his assignment. I’m having trouble figuring out what anybody in the FO sees in him.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
Two times on the first series, he was 1 on 1 with a Jet in the backfield.
Neither time did Kelsay TOUCH him.
I was happy to see kelsay make a few tackles or I was looking for some improvement especially after droppin 200 of my earned money for this crock of crap game
Help me!
by sketchydave on Oct 3, 2010 9:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you realize when your safety makes that many tackles, that means guys are running free in the secondary, particularly running backs and your front 7 isn’t doing their job.
Kelsay was awful and adds nothing to the team.
Poz? He could be good but he always looks to be a step behind the play every time.
i think its at the point
Where gailey should just put in the rookies to get game experince I knew going in to this season it was going to be rough I think we should get a head start on the future. Try brohm or brown and go from there
by Gpluehri on Oct 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybin played one play if my math is right.
You can't have CHANGE without CHAN.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope it was a good play
Because that would totally justify picking him in the 1st round and paying him tens of millions of dollars.
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by Munchausen on Oct 3, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To me:
Kelsay looked awful
Byrd can’t play the run at all
All 4 LBs are not good
Our defense looked awful
Offense lacked rushing attempts and way too many dropped passes.
DeHaven gets epic fail for Ellis not knowing to fair catch
one of the worst games i’ve ever seen our defense played
Listen! You smell something?
Lacked rushing attempts? Meh. They were getting blown out and not doing so hot against the run.
And Ellis didn’t catch the ball anyways so the fair catch is a moot point.
You can't have CHANGE without CHAN.
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 3, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
early they could have established the run – even when down to keep the defense off the field and keep moving the ball.
on Ellis – he wouldn’t have been trying to run if he would have fair caught it – so he would have been concentrating on catching instead of catching and running.
which is the point of a fair catch – to concentrate on the catch and not worry about anything else (which clearly he was)
Listen! You smell something?
by J2 on Oct 3, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is we weren’t able to create holes offensively running the ball which meant that very early in the game we were forced to throw to gain yardage; of course, the big issue was we weren’t able to get good enough protection among other things to be effective in the passing game (other factors like QB-ineffiency, dropped balls and abysmal playcalling also contributed). Offensively, it was a horrible performance yet again. Chan called a bad gameplan and was unable to adjust at all to what the Jets were doing defensively (sometimes, of course, it’s difficult to make the necessary adjustments when the talent level isn’t there). Defensively, we started off horrendous yet again which sort of carried over for the rest of the game. We were clearly unable to create substantial pressure on Sanchez, though I thought for the most part we covered the field well downfield (McKelvin, to me, had a good game), and we were dreadful at stopping the run – without doubt one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen from a defense against the run.
George Edwards has a very hard time calling plays in this defense because it’s simply not built for the 3-4; we have guys like Kelsay, Ellis, Maybin, Spencer Johnson, Poz among others who simply look lost out there. The only guy outside of McKelvin who stood out to me defensively was Kyle Williams – just a great football player, always making plays and working his butt off.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Oct 3, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
George Edwards has a very hard time calling plays in this defense because it’s simply not built for the 3-4;
Which is what i said would happen 8 months ago. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Oct 6, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
definitely
we are the worst team in the NFL. Oh well….
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember getting ripped for saying as much.....welcome to my world :-)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
yea
I always thought we were bottom 10 with a chance to make a run if things clicked but after this game I was forced to accept we were the worst. Thats three stagnant showings now in four weeks.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
we are the worst team in the NFL. Oh well….
That’s probably true, but I’m at least glad I’m not a 49ers or Panthers fan.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 3, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
We’re much worse off than either of those two…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
And they get to live in San Francisco....
That’s a huge plus.
by twoeightnine on Oct 3, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlotte's not bad either
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I never expected a winning season this year. More than a few people picked the niners to be in the super bowl. The Panthers thought they had two good young qb’s this offseason and all signs are pointing to them having none.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 3, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A couple
teams have put up great defensive efforts against the Saints this year.
by WhiskeySierra6 on Oct 3, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
With little hope, too
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
at least we have building blocks
such as our young quarterback, left tackle and our stable of hyper-athletic pass rushers.
"I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee. And specifically, not a Buffalo Bill."
-Joe Dimaggio
by JPH on Oct 3, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your talking about your Madden team again, aren't you?
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
When is this team going to start to look fundamentally sound?
Sure the talent isnt there………..but fundaments can be taught……….
When is that going to manifest? Anyone?
Yeah……….Chan……..looking at you…….even though Im hardly suprised.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fire Gailey
Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
not the answer
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, fire Modrack :-)
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look at the dead weight up front.
This front office is an incompetent joke. Ralph has had a hand in every draft pick this team has made over the last 10 years plus. Ralph Wilson is an incompetent joke. Just to recap this pathetic, inept cluster %$#& of an owner and front office:
Year Player College Position
Bust 2000 Erik Flowers Arizona State Defensive End
Gone 2001 Nate Clements Ohio State Defensive Back
Bust 2002 Mike Williams Texas Tackle
Gone 2003 Willis McGahee Miami (FL) Running Back
Bust 2004 Lee Evans Wisconsin Wide Receiver
Bust 2004 J.P. Losman Tulane Quarterback
Bust 2005 No 1st Round Pick, Roscoe Parrish (2nd Round) Miami (FL) Wide Receiver
Bust 2006 Donte Whitner Ohio State Safety
Bust 2006 John McCargo North Carolina State Defensive Tackle
Bust 2007 Marshawn Lynch California Running Back
Bust 2008 Leodis McKelvin Troy Defensive Back
Bust 2009 Aaron Maybin Penn State Defensive End/Outside Linebacker
*2009 Eric Wood Louisville Center
*2010 C.J. Spiller Clemson Running Back
*unknown if they will meet draft value expectations.
Quibble if you want about the picks I labeled “bust”, bottom line is that none of them have performed to their drafted slots, if they arent an outright bust.
The dead weight is heaviest in the front office.
Somewhere In Philadelphia
Dick Jauron is laughing at all us who wanted him fired.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
Oh he deserved to be fired...........
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
but Chan might be even worse.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
All I have to say is...................
well………..
Nevermind, I dont even want to say it………..
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
what are you possibly talking about?
Dick Jauron is why we are in this mess. He completely left this team a mess, poor draft picks, poor attitude, poor fundamentals. Its going to take a long time to scrub the Jauron off of this team. Chan is a million times better than Jauron. Our receivers run real routes at all levels of the field and we’re not playing the mind numbingly ineffective Tampa 2 anymore. There is no talent on this team because of Jauron, none of the young players developed because of Jauron’s teaching. Dick Jauron isn’t laughing anywhere. He was fired from a head coaching job and relegated straight to a positional coach only because of his friendship to Reid. Chan is one of the most respected coaches in the business. Just because you want to finger point doesn’t mean you should. We all knew Chan wouldn’t have anything to work with.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jauron has nothing to do with Chan's playcalling.
The rest can be excused. Play calling cannot be.
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And gameplanning.
And teaching this year…………and an 0-4 record……….and………and……..and.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
well
in Gailey’s defense
Marcus Easley is injured.
Danny Batten is injured.
Arthur Moats is injured.
Ed Wang is injured.
Can’t expect much from our 2 7th rounders (one who isn’t even on the team).
Carrington is behind two solid DEs.
Spiller is behind two solid RBs (two who still don’t get the ball enough)
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Stroud and Edwards
No matter how much you know about something, someone always knows more
by can on Oct 3, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Stroud isn't a solid DE
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Johnson played very well today.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Eh
The whole front 7 was awful. Tomlinson and Greene had entire highways to run though all day. The DE’s and LB’s are just awful.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
McIntyre hit harder than every single one of our defenders today
I mean that honestly as well, he killed dudes all game, why the hell isn’t he playing D?
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Don’t leave out the NTs. They suck, too.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Troup even play at NT today?
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
ow, why won't Nix and Gailey just admit we stink
And play the rooks, don’t BS us fans, were all too smart for that
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Eh
I didn’t really pay attention to them, so I can’t comment on them.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Neither did I, all I kept seeing is Kelsay being blown up
and our other 3 LBers running into the pile rather than staying clean and looking for the ball
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
DEs
Sorry but the job of a DE in a 3-4 is to line up over the tackle an keep blockers from getting to the linebackers. The Bills were gashed for a ton of rushing yards today and have been relatively weak all year.
So. Are the linebackers missing one on one tackles? Or are the down lineman not containing blockers.?
by FergusonQB12 on Oct 3, 2010 9:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In Gailey's non-defense.
Their #1 is nearly worthless except as a kick returner.
Their #2 isn’t anything to talk about.
Their #3 has been inactive even when he was active today.
They’re getting nothing out of their top 3 picks. I don’t care about any of those players above, I never expect a 4th and down player to contribute immediately. But to get NOTHING out of your top three picks is inexcusable.
by twoeightnine on Oct 3, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Has anyone at OBD owned up to who made the choice to go RB instead of player at position of need?
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
buck stops
with Buddy Nix. It has to. He’s the GM now, we have a decision maker.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
conditioning
But Nix and Gailey established and AMAZING conditioning program!!!!
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, all of the injuries have either been freak or joint injuries
And the D still has gas at the end of the game so that program has worked
At least something has around here….
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
and switching to the 3-4
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
for met
that one is the biggest blunder, we have lots of holes, lets create even more.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
we didn't have the basis of a playoff defense
why not blow it up? Nearly everyone on the front 7 needed to be replaced anyhow.
"I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee. And specifically, not a Buffalo Bill."
-Joe Dimaggio
Yeah, but now we also have to replace nearly everyone in the secondary due to Edward’s refusal to work a cover 2 in the secondary.
it's been 4 weeks
isn’t it possible edwards is experimenting just like chan is? maybe he hasn’t so much refused to run cover 2 stuff as he has been experimenting with other defenses…
"I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee. And specifically, not a Buffalo Bill."
-Joe Dimaggio
by JPH on Oct 4, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
there was nothing wrong with teh playcalling
our players are just not good. Personally, I’m offended by Lee Evans apparent quitting on this team. Ive never said a bad word about him before but he looks like he has checked out, he isnt even trying to make the catch anymore. Parrrish is our number 2 receiver. Demetrius Bell is our LT. Cornell Green is our RT. Ryan Fitzpatrick is our QB. For the love of God, look at those names! We are relatively talentless compared to other NFL teams. What playcalling is going to work with the lack of talent on offense. David Nelson is our leading receiver. Around the nation the perception is that Ryan Fitzpatrick is our best player. That is such a void of talent its shocking. Jauron……
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't lack talent in the RB department.
9 carries is unacceptable. Even early on we’re not running enough.
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats been a troubling theme all year.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like Mike Martz is calling the plays.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even Maartz calls more runs.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
where are they to run?
there are no lanes. I’d stop running eventually too. There are no lanes, Marshawn was able to fall forward for a yard and a half a couple of times thanks to sheer effort and a little luck,. he was ducking 3 to 4 defenders in the backfield every time. You can not run when your RBs are taking on defenders three yards behind the line of scrimmage. I hate to be the one to say it but I thought Wood and Levitre were supposed to be our guards of the future. They seem to be having a very bad season, they looked good last game and pretty bad the other 3. Its the most troubling part of this team in my opinion that is getting overlooked. We knew everything else would stink. But we thought we were set at guard and could use our runners behind them. But they are apparently regressing. Very troubling…
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How come they were able to run block well enough last year?
change in run blocking scheme might have something to do with it eh?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
it might, but if Wood and Levitre cant adjust to run blocking schemes they shouldnt have been drafted in the first and second rounds right?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They were drafted by different guys who runs a different scheme.
You dont draft a player because of what they might do in other systems.
You draft a guy to fit into the system you run.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
surely
but still, I dont care how much a guy fits in your scheme, taking a guard – who rarely who go high – at any point in the first round should imply that you think he is going to be a beast who can dominate games. Those guys should be scheme proof.
Im also not convinced its the scheme. They are getting tossed on some plays. Its insane.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Practice.......
Last I checked………….Dick Jauron isnt running practice anymore.
Thats all on Chan and the coaches……………to get them ready.
A month into to the season…….and they still look like its the first week of training camp.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
practice
no matter how much you practice you cant make bad players good players. It doesnt work that way. You can make bad players look like good players when you have a couple of great guys on the roster who can mask it and make the players around them better. We dont have that guy, on offense or defense. At least not right now.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No you cannot........
but you can teach fundamentals.
Thats lacking too…………..
You can blame the players………thats fine. The players arent that good…….
The coaches arent that good either apparently.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
can you
teach fundamentals to a group of youngster who were coached by a guy who neglected to do so for years in one off-season and four games?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not all of these guys are youngsters.
This isnt their first rodeo.
Blocking fundamentals is something they learned freshmen year in high school.
They wouldnt be in the NFL if they didnt know the basics.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
ok exactly
so then how is it up to Chan to teach it to them if they already know the basics? They just arent good. And our veterans arent exactly shining examples, look at Kelsay and Green. Lee Evans and Terrence McGee are the only vets we can really call good players. Poz, Wood, Levitre, Bell, McKelvin, Whitner, Byrd, Maybin, Ellis, Johnson, Nelson, Nelson, ….. they are all youngsters.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It's his job to fix things when they arent working.
THATS HIS JOB
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
its his job to fix the Bills. These arent his players, we are bad across the board and he cant fix something that never worked to begin with. We are rebuilding, why do you think fans hate to hear that word? Because it takes a LONG time.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This started because you called out the playcalling, and the rest of us couldn’t figure out how you came away from that game with playcalling as the number one problem given the execution on the field. We couldnt run or pass. What play do we call?
It takes time for a coach to impact a team. We all agree he is responsible at the end of the day. But I wouldn’t expect instant impact from a coach.
by greysquirrel on Oct 3, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They played less than one season under him.
So if they lost their fundamentals in that time cut their asses right now.
thats what Im worried about
Im not saying they arent regressing, Im just saying I dont think I can blame Chan.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are you all of a sudden blaming Jauron for everything, poz??
Did this week finally open your eyes to the ineptitude of this franchise? You’ve never been like this before!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
Im just mad at what roster Jauron’s regime left behind them. I hate blaming the coach but I DONT KNOW who was running the front office. So lets just say “the inner circle” left this franchise in shambles. Not one of their projects is paying dividends right now. Trent Edwards, Leodis McKelvin, Aaron Maybin, Demetrius Bell, Chris Ellis, trading Peters, releasing Langston Walker, Eric Wood, Andy Levitre.
Of course, you know I still believe that A LOT on that list will eventually pay dividends but right now, the team they left behind for the fans is in tatters. I knew it, you knew it, Cowher knew it, Shanahan knew it but its just different knowing something is coming and then actually going through it. I’m just mad at Jauron and the inner circle. They left us nothing. Last week I was thanking him at least for Wood and Levitre, saying he at least gave us one thing an interior line but now even they are abandoning us as reliable.
Before I end my rant, I guess my final point is that I didnt think any regime, no matter how bad, could leave a team behind them that had nothing to offer. Other failed regimes left characterizations behind that could be utilized. Jauron left nothing for his successor. How can one fail a team and a fanbase so completely? Its why hes a position coach now.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They can't be blaming the prior regime though
They had opportunities to wipe this roster clean. Instead they kept most of the ineptitude in place and are putting them in even worse positions to succeed.
The prior regime left very little behind, but this new one saw no problem hanging onto most of it. I find that irresponsible and downright sad.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, it makes you wonder what Nix was charged with by Wilson
Keep as many useful guys you can, and try to win in the next two years?
I highly doubt an owner as old as he told him to take the 4 years needed to rebuild this POS.
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
what were they going to do?
How could they have not hung onto it? You have to field a team and you cant just sign a bunch of bad free agents. Its going to take a long time because there is nothing to build around. CJ Spiller is a start. Offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, wide receivers, tight ends, quarterbacks, fullback. All those units have to be ENTIRELY filled and rebuilt except for Wood, Levitre, Poz. That is going to take a long time. Its why I will wait out judgement on Nix. How do you fix this? Many drafts and many off-seasons. Its the only way. To expect otherwise is to expect the impossible.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Beautifully said, Kurupt.
The fact that Nix kept all these clowns around says alot.
I’d rather them have dumped most of them, started anew, even with alot of younger players, and built from there like in 2001. At least the rationalization is easier knowing that it’s new guys in a new scheme hopefully playing hard and fighting for jobs.
how?
I’d rather them have dumped most of them, started anew, even with alot of younger players, and built from there like in 2001.
Where are you going to get “a lot” of younger players? They cant just materialize draft picks or good, young free agents. See what you have on the roster and move into next off-season.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
D. Bell is coming along nicely, Ellis is a keeper, Wood and Levitre are steady if unspectacular players. The rest are busts.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
I think Cornell Green
is Woods biggest issue right now. Followed by lingering issues from his injury. I’m not sure that he’s back to full strength.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve voiced loudly my belief that D.Bell is awful. I hate watching him pass protect, he gets overpowered and misses assignments with frequency thats alarming.
I do like Chris Ellis but he is not paying dividends yet, he might.
Wood and Levitre I still believe in but RIGHT NOW they are not steady. They are not run blocking or pass blocking well and its scary.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I worry that Andy and Eric are trying to make up for Green and Bell
And that is taking their game down since they are trying to block for two rather than themselves.
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
i have this feeling too
its just another reason why I hate our starting tackles.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
They weren't that great last season
That’s a fairy tale fans keep putting out. Levitre and Wood had room for improvement coming into this season.
Lynch was dancing ALL game
There is no excuse for that at all
Jackson the few times he got the ball, cut once and went forward and has good yardage too show for it poz. Lynch is done, he is gun shy at the LOS.
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Lee Evans should have been traded 2 years ago
Before that ridiculous monster contract. It’s unlikely they’ll look to move him now though, unfortunately….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
it actually really bothered me
to be honest, I had a creeping suspension as early as week 2 just looking at the expression on his face, his body language on the field, the seeming lack of urgency reaching for a wayward pass or not turning on the Jets to try and get under an overthrown ball. I kept just trying to ignore it because he was making the catches that were on target still, has always been a stand up guy, is one of my favorite Bills from the decade, has never complained, and to be frank, he’s justified if he feels this season is a drag. But now its clear that its affecting his focus. Hes dropping passes I’ve never seen him drop, he could have tried to lay out for that overthrown Fitzy pass, on a jump ball he gave a half hearted leap and turn for an inaccurate ball and he simply was not running fast. I was deeply offended by this. Its just not Lee’s style and you know what Lee, I understand your frustrated but when Fitzpatrick is in there, putting his head down into defenders and refusing to quit the least you can do is help him when hes trying his best to keep us in a game and give the fans something to cheer about. I hope he gets his head straight but its disturbing to me that it looks like hes checked out. Hes a vet, that attitude can become infectious and then we are in real trouble for the long term.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he requests a trade
Just to show he has some fire left, actually.
The guy will never win in Buffalo. For his sake, I’d like to see him get a chance elsewhere. Maybe SD or Chicago, a place that has a good QB and needs a good #2 or #3 WR.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Trade him to SD for Jackson and a 4th rounder
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
I think Lee Evans would light the league on fire
playing with Peyton Manning, like 15 TDs on fire.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
and you would like because I bet you have Peyton
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Someone needs to call Brad Childress
They really need another WR in Minnesota, though I’m not sure Evans really fits the mold for the WR they need.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
How the heck can you evaluate the playcalling or gameplanning when guys can’t block or catch or hold on to the football? You got your head in the sand if you think different plays are going to fix any of that.
Isnt that what practice is for?
You know…….to get guys prepared…………..
Do they not practice the plays they are going to run the week before the game?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if your stupid, you can read all the books you want, your not going to get it.
If your not a good athlete you can practice all you want your still not going to become a good athlete.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So last year Wood and Levitre looked competent enough
but now they dont?
Seems fishy to me.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
they didnt look all that competent last year either though did they? Fred was avoiding defenders in the backfield all last year too.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They did better than they are doing this year.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
they are
but I think Cornell Green and Bell may have something to do with it. If you dont trust the guy to your right or left to take care of his assignment you won’t be able to focus on yours. Thats my theory for now, based on nothing but bell and greens terribleness. I really dont know, but I just cant blame Chan for them not blocking their man and getting shoved backwards.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Chan Gailey's job is to fix that.
When is he going to do that?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its not really Chans
job to find a replacement for Bell and Green in one month. Building a team takes multiple drafts and off-seasons. Hence rebuilding.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In one month?
He’s had an entire offseason, preseason and one month. And he did nothing about it. EVERYONE except for the Bills knew that Green was horrible. The Raiders were laughing at us when we signed him and gave him that much money. THE RAIDERS!
by twoeightnine on Oct 3, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
meanwhile they have our old RT that was actually solid
not blaming Gailey for that — just highlighting the irony.
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Chan didnt give Green the job
Nix did.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on
Chan certainly wasn’t disapproving the move. If the head coach and GM aren’t on the same page about a signing, I’m guessing it doesn’t happen too often….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
sure but my point is more that Nix was just plugging a leak, its not like it was Gailey’s guy or a guy he coveted, I’m sure Nix didnt even covet Green but really, what choices did Jauron leave them with? There is nothing on the roster that can play at RT better than Green, there weren’t any big free agents available. It was more a signing that they didnt want to me but just kind of had to do. Green isnt their guy. They dont have a guy.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know Gailey didn't push for Green?
Maybe he liked him when he was the Chiefs OC those two games against Oak.
I can’t fully blame Nix. Gailey has to have had some input. Whaley too.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
do you think
they really thought he was a good player or do you think they thought he was a really bad plug but a plug they had to make. Nix is one of the most seasoned scouters in the league. He knew what Green was. But he also knew what Jamon Meredith was. Ed Wang getting hurt didnt help.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I wonder if the plan is for Urbik to move to RT
At least one sieve would be off the field
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
I would definitely support that. Green is horrific.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he certaintly could have pursued other avenues
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
like what? I cant remember if anything was available but I dont think any free agents were any good. A rebuilding team that could potentially have a top 5 pick cant just send second rounders out for tackles by trade either without thinking it over very very carefully
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
we shouldn't assume he didn't
just because there isn’t another guy on the roster doesn’t mean he didn’t pursue it.
"I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee. And specifically, not a Buffalo Bill."
-Joe Dimaggio
OK then
If they pursued other players, fine. Not being able to secure them would be the concern then.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
exactly.
Cornell Green being plugged on the right side is as useful as a pipe made of chickenwire.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
There's more than just one problem here.
Talent, coaching, execution, evaluation, conditioning are ALL problems.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s just so troubling. But I knew this team would be where they are, or where they aren’t going to end up. I’ll never lose support for them while they remain a Buffalo franchise, but I have grown very cynical of their talent in one scant month.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, our conditioning is good
The D despite being on the field all day didn’t look too gassed, we do have that one positive
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
DJ was not GM
Only accountable for not playing the schlock draft picks of our GM, this year will go down as a giant bust, too
by wab2 on Oct 3, 2010 10:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Every home game besides Pitt will be blacked out.
by twoeightnine on Oct 4, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Gonna be 50,000 Steelers fans there
It will be quite the sad spectacle….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
All I can say is
I am still a Bills fan. Now where is Lucy with that damn ball?
Buffalo born & bred. Bills fan since 1968.
by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Oct 3, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
Can the players be this bad?
Or is it really the coaching? Could Cowher and Shanahan have had a losing record as well?
you don’t get that bad without it being both – really…
Listen! You smell something?
by J2 on Oct 3, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Sir.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The Same Players picked Sanchez 5 times last year
It’s coaching.
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR!?!?!? NOTHING IS OVER UNTIL WE SAY IT IS!!!!
Yeah, he looks like a completely different player this year.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
different? yes. better? i wouldn't say that much (not claiming you said this).
His leading receiver is Dustin Keller, he’s still reliant heavily on the run game, he’s throwing at 58%, and he’s faced 3 weak defenses and one good defense. The one good defense made him look terrible, the three bad defenses he’s look good against.
I’m not impressed by 2 yard touchdown throws. Definitely not sold on Sanchez yet.
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
thats probably true, but IMO he's set up perfectly and put in an easy position
3/8 touchdowns were for 2 yards or less.
5/8 touchdowns were for 12 yards or less IIRC (could be 15)
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He had to get into that position without turning the ball over. He definitely looks better this year than last year, though.
or the 273 yards of rushing (this particular game)
had to get them in position. it’s certainly not Sanchez when the passing attack is ranked 26th in the nation (before this game)
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So far this year: 8 TDs, 0 INTs
All I’m saying is that he’s playing better. I don’t see an argument there. The running game was there last year too, but the Jets are dominating. Their defense isn’t any better, so what changed? Special Teams? No, it’s Sanchez’s play. He’ snot turning the ball over and making good throws on 3rd down.
Well he's making plays he never made last year
So yeah, I’d say he looks a lot different this season….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Anywhere else and I don't see him being successful.
His long passes are the result of broken coverages (and not making a play on the part of the QB).
The majority of his TDs are on high % low yardage throws.
Just my opinion, but I don’t feel threatened by him (if I’m any team besides the Bills)
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He's still making the plays
regardless of the circumstances thrown at him. That’s all that really matters….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
We'll just have to agree to disagree then.
Because I honestly see Trent Edwards, or Derek Anderson, or Jamarcus Russel making those plays in the same situation.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they never really did before
So I don’t know why Sanchez is being compared to them.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
They never had Sanchez's supporting cast either.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps because the Jets actually do what most teams do and build from the lines out.
We instead pick guys off the practice squads of other teams and scrap heaps and use them as linemen, then expect the same results.
been saying this for 10 years, couldn’t be a coincidence could it? Naw, we just don’t have a good enough QB, at Least that’s what the man on WGR550 keeps telling me.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
there are plenty of teams in the NFL succeeding in spite of their lines
there are precious few winning in spite of their quarterback.
"I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee. And specifically, not a Buffalo Bill."
-Joe Dimaggio
We don't have a good enough QB
The OL and QB have been the biggest issues for years. Just because one units been terrible doesn’t mean the other hasn’t been too….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Half of his TDs today were over 40 yards!
But seriously. 41 yarder today. 24, 12 and 67 against the Dolphins. So half of his TD passes have been over 10 yards. 3/8 of them have been over 20 yards and 1/4 of them have been over 40 yards. That’s far from a “high % of low yardage throws.”
And it’s not like the Jets have magically just appeared at the 2 yard line.
That pass that went over McKelvin's head
was that thrown into a very tight window?
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are we resorting to ripping Mark Sanchez? Kid can ball. Let’s worry about our guys. :)
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cowher and Shanahan would definitely have been this bad. Why do you think they wanted nothing to do with this job in Buffalo?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ralph Wilson?
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
possibly
but I think they knew what a mess this team was.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
A hot mess and a cold franchise.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
noone will want to come here now … not even a coordinator dying for a first job as long as the front office is a complete train wreck as it has been since the donahoe era.
give Buddy a chance
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowher is still available, please give him the team
by wab2 on Oct 3, 2010 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he doesnt want it.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
I just watched Perry Fewell’s defense have 10 sacks. I’m gonna say it’s the players.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 3, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
True that defense could get 10 quarterback sacks without Perry Fewell. It is the players.
by Baron Hashimoto on Oct 4, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
and what have they done before that???? Ooooo that's right.....nothing.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
wow
How bad can Maybin be if he can’t play for this run defense?
This space held in honor of Robert Royal known to his friends as "Sweet Cream Style Corn" March 11 2006- February 26, 2009
a reporter asked chan that
This space held in honor of Robert Royal known to his friends as "Sweet Cream Style Corn" March 11 2006- February 26, 2009
response
was an evasion: we evaluate every player all the time.
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
Basically blah blah blah
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
someone with good computer skills
needs to dub Chan Gailey or Buddy Nix’s conferences over on a video of Foghorn Leghorn.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If buddy shows up at next MMQB.
Consider it done.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 4, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
its a real good question.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
“A reporter” being Jerry Sullivan. I LOL’d when he asked it.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a random question?
What is MJD going to do to the Bills next week?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
What is MJD going to do to the Bills next week?
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
laugh at them
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
thats a really scary thought actually
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad I just traded for him this past Wednesday
:)
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
RAOOSA ( run all over our sorry a$$es)
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
by fansince60 on Oct 3, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
why do we draft such an explosive player with our first pick, and only hand him the ball two times? the bills are making him look like a bust. people will start 2nd guessing this selection, and point out (again) that there are other glaring needs this team could have possibly filled with that selection. i say start him and give him the rock as often as he can shoulder the load.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
not defending anyone in any way
but, the Jets jumped out in front, we had to pass and CJ cannot pass block or pick up a blitz to save his life. As horrible as it was, if you left him in on most plays, it would have been worse (IMO)
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
CJ plays a lot of 3rd down blitz pickup….
by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This team consistently drafts players to sit the bench at the top of the draft. No wonder we can’t build a decent team. Spiller, Troup, Carrington, Maybin, McKelvin, Hardy…even Byrd plays only passing plays. At least they play Wood/Levitre. This front office is a consistent joke.
by Posluszny Pollocks on Oct 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not sugarcoat any of this.
They are not a good team and they are not ready for prime time.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
no “flex” games highlighted by the Bills this season?
Listen! You smell something?
by J2 on Oct 3, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They're going to move them to Friday night.
And let them play a high school team.
Hopefully they win.
I don’t think it would be a guaranteed win.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We play pickup games on Saturday mornings, so they can play us. We don’t have enough to play with linemen, so they’ll be pretty used to it.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Oct 3, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing that impressed me
Fitzy played pretty well. Not great, but he was solid. That series at the start of the 4th quarter where Parrish and then Evans (twice) muffed on three straight catchable balls was terrible.
D was godawful. Just unbelievable. Jets were picking up 5+ yards with every rush.
Interesting quote from Gumble during the play-by-play: According to Gailey the Billis OL “just isn’t big enough and physical enough to do what we want to do.”
I guess that is BillsSpeak
that they are working on a 4 year 24 million extension for Fitzy and we will hear the leaked news tomorrow.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that
According to Gailey the Billis OL "just isn’t big enough and physical enough to do what we want to do."
Then, why in God’s name didn’t you trade down from #9, get some OL help and start to rebuild? No one said you had to dig a 20 foot deep basement before you start rebuilding? This type of comment is just mindblowing!
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
by fansince60 on Oct 3, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or how about instead of trying to make your guys block in ways they arent equipped to.........
oh you……..I dunno…….go with a scheme that fits their talents.
I mean thats what I real Offensive Genius would do!
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why don’t you try and do what suits your puny, weak-assed line?
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He said that?
Wow…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Explains why they want to get Urbik into the lineup.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i feel like we're going to hear this tomorrow...
will Cornell be cut or benched?
"I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee. And specifically, not a Buffalo Bill."
-Joe Dimaggio
during the weekly pre-game interviews with Gumbel and Dierdork, Gailey made that comment and they quoted him on air. I about fell off the couch.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
Haha
It’s as if these guys didn’t even bother considering all the moves they could have made in the draft, via trade or even in FA……
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that is exactly the infuriating part! OK you inherited crap…get rid of it and replace it. Why ignore the problem and take a RB?
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
by fansince60 on Oct 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
At least he knows what he wants and is being honest about it. That’s more than I can say about our past 4 years on the o-line.
that's all well and good
but, if you knew this when you took over (Jan), why, why, why do nothing about it through FA, draft, trade or whatever? OK build through the draft…scratch FA, but you all but ignored it then too! This cannot be a revelation he just had or he’s far from the genius he purports to be. It’s effin! OCTOBER!
Admitting/being honest about it means squat. They should have made it a priority and, while it won’t be done in a year, we should see incremental improvement. This is NOT incremental improvement. This is abject regression.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
by fansince60 on Oct 3, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i agree 100% with all of the previous comments.
They could have made moves, added draft picks, traded away dead weight, brought in some guys early on so they could get reps.
But instead they make excuses and blame the current players. Way to go.
You can’t trade away deadweight. You can’ remake the entire team in one off-season. We need lots of stuff. The only pick that didn’t seek to address those needs was Spiller.
no one is saying change the entire team in one off-season
but we didn’t make one move to address what they are now saying is a critical need/problem. “The line is too small”. They didn’t shrink in the rain in April! As football minds, who knew the system they were implementing, they knew what they had “didn’t fit” At least add one this year. According to Brian’s article the other day, ‘10 WAS the year for tackles. We were going to get by with Edwards, Fitz and Brohm. We could have got by with Lynch and Jackson too. We needed OL help. Not 5 OL! Start with one GD tackle. Trade the #9 down and pick up more picks, get the tackle and MORE.
To thumb your nose at the problem, exhibit total hubris and that you know more than others do is not going to win my respect. I don’t expect miracles this year or next, but, damn if this off-season wasn’t incompetence plain and simple. It’s coming home to roost now.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
what?
when your rebuilding with a roster that has nothing to utilize you better take BPA. And that was Spiller. You start reaching and you end up like Jauron, fired leaving behind a team with lots of ok players and busts but no superstars.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
again, if you trade down and get more picks and a tackle you are not reaching. Taking one at #9 who was rated #20 is a reach. Trading to 20 and getting anohter pick or two is drafting for value and good rebuilding strategy.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
but if you trade down
your not taking the superstar potential of Spiller. They wanted a potential superstar on the roster. There is logic in that move. Great dynastys for the most part have great running backs. They wanted a superstar. We need to give them a chance to actually rebuild before we start demanding their jobs.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not demanding anyone’s job. Just questioning their rationale as it relates to the quote by Gailey above. You say
They wanted a superstar
Gailey said:
“our OL just isn’t big enough and physical enough to do what we want to do.”
Those two are in direct conflict. Who in their right mind would want a superstar RB and then say they haven’t the horses to block for him? What did they want to do with Spiller if the line won’t let them “do what they want”? That means to me they spent a #9 on a kick returner.
I’m outta here. Good night.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
by fansince60 on Oct 3, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If they wanted a superstar....
they should have picked Dez Bryant or Jahvid Best….
:)
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
would either
have done anymore than CJ if they were here? CJ will be a star
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
The way he's playing
He’ll be a star on Dancing with the Stars.
Kid’s got to start running more decisively and cut the ginger steps.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
in 2001, the bills trimmed alot of dead weight when Gregg Williams came on board.
Remember they switched defenses and went 3-13, but what was clear was a plan (at the time). Not saying it worked out, but the fact that they got rid of alot of guys and replaced them with guys fit for the system was at least palatable.
This incarnation of the bills, slow, unathletic, apathetic, and just plain lousy, is on the feet of the GM. Signing guys of other teams practice squad time after time isn’t going to make us better. Drafting projects instead guys who can clearly contribute is another way.
If the players that are here are dead weight, cut or trade them and play younger, hungrier kids that will give 100% and at least appear to give a damn, instead of the lousy vets who are just collecting a paycheck.
At least with the Sabres, you know that youth will always get a shot.
The Bills? Chris freakin’ Kelsay sums it up right there. We reward mediocrity and players who don’t fit our scheme but can be a warm body until we sign another guy off a practice squad.
Nix doesnt care
what is palatable to you, or to me. What the Bills did in 2001 didnt work, in fact it started this horrible decade that eventually landed us here. End of story. I like that Nix couldnt care less what the fans find palatable, hes going to do what he thinks is best to make this team a consistent winner. I’d rather suffer through an awful season behind a GM looking only to whats best for the rebuild than a palatable one behind a GM looking to do things as painlessly as possible.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That's his point poz.
What the Bills did in 2001 didnt work
We are doing the same thing in 2010. We had a dominant 3-4, that we were losing a few parts to retirement. Instead of replacing those parts, we scrap the whole thing to go to the 4-3, never actually do fix the O.
We are starting this decade the exact same way.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought his point
was that the Bills should have shed more dead weight like they did in 2001.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Yeah you are probably right.
I am actually glad we kept most of the people we need to scrap this 3-4 experiment and not make the greggy mistake again.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's what sabre was saying at all.....
All we want to see is a plan, some progress and actual reachable goals. Do we even have any of that right now?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Talk is cheap
These guys can talk all they want about what positions they are weak in, where they might need to improve, what they’d like to do, etc….but until they actually make the correct moves to solve the issues then it’s all just a bunch of hot Southern air.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We should of kept incognito
It is time we dump the nice guys and get some players, bring on the thugs and hoodlums, felons apply within
by wab2 on Oct 3, 2010 10:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure if any of y’all listened to Gailey post-game, but he was SPITTIN’ PISSED. Like, so pissed he could barely get words out. Expect more sweeping changes this week. Not that those changes will do a lick of good.
Havent heard it yet.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Expect more sweeping changes this week.
Changes i’d make
Cut: Kelsay, Torbor, Adeoyle (whatever sp), Green
Changes: Whitner benched, S.Johnson benched, Byrd cannot come within 10 yards of the LOS
Fired or Short leash – Edwards and Dehaven
Listen! You smell something?
by J2 on Oct 3, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Changes i’d make
Cut: Kelsay,
Cut whoever thought giving him a contract extension was a good idea.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Give your playmakers the ball
The two big changes I would make on offense is to install Fred Jackson as the featured back again and give him LOTS of carries, and to name David Nelson as the #2 WR. Nelson is the best receiver we have after Lee Evans in terms of his hands, his route running, and YAC. He and Jackson are the only ones who can make big things happen for us. Put them into major roles and get the ball to them. It can’t be any worse than what we have now.
I also hope Gailey will try to make full use of Shawn Helson as soon as possible. We need all the help we can get.
He ran twice. How can you evaluate Jackson’s game as crap when he has had next to no extended opportunity?
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Evans obviously had an awful game today, but he has been a bright spot for this team in the past. By the way, Fred Jackson averaged 7 yards per carry today. That should get Chan Gailey’s attention.
but
in your opinion, what can he do? We’re into week 5, the bench is surely no better than the ones so benching anyone is fruitless, and who is out there to sign? The ship of change sailed a few months back.
I would truly explore trading anyone with value before 10/19 and amass as many draft picks as possible. It cannot get worse than today (famous last words) so field whomever is left and keep going. This year is toast.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
Changes?
He needs to play all the young players on the team to see if they should stay or go. Spiller, Maybin, Troup, Carrington, Moats, Coleman all need to be playing a lot. They aren’t going anywhere even if they don’t play so put them in and let the rebuild begin in earnest. Nix needs to be on the phone looking at trades. Evans and Lynch should be shopped. The Bills want to rebuild through the draft they need to be getting picks. Evans is wasted with this team and Spiller needs to be on the field and playing. And I’m still waiting to hear why Kelsay gets an extension as bad as he is at OLB.
You realize we will look worse. So no complaining when we get run on all day with moats and coleman on that line.
I know
But that’s the point. If they are going to be bad at least let the young players get playing time to see if they are worth keeping around or not.
and by mixing up the roster
it doesn’t look so obvious the bills are trying to throw the season
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Which based on Nix’s track record so far, he’ll draft a Wide Reciever and Safety.
I’d gladly take me some AJ Green.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Expect more sweeping changes this week.
Have to laugh at this. Will he fire himself?
2010 Bills' truth in advertising: "Look out Cleveland, this year we score 6!" - bluecollarbuffalo
by thefourwinds on Oct 3, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hope they cut Kelsay!!!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Not sure if any of y’all listened to Gailey post-game, but he was SPITTIN’ PISSED.
Thats the best news I’ve heard in the last decade. FML
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I didn’t expect a lot from this offense and I can see where some of those errors were made (fumbles dropped passes, RT). But this defense is getting worse every week. Are Stroud and Davis and McGee that important? Or is this D just helpless all of a sudden.
He’s important in the way that a not terrible player is important on a team that has to start a bunch of terrible players.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
What happened there?
Well, it was supposed to say: Stroud is important in the way that a not terrible player is important to a defense that has to start a bunch of terrible players. Also, that’s half joking and half serious.
SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.
Terrence McGee was missed badly.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No he wasn't
The Jets RB’s combined for 250 yards.
We missed having NFL caliber players on defense.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes thats true
but they picked on McKelvin all game. Braylon abused him. McGee wouldnt have let that happen.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
It’s not like he’s been a shutdown CB recently…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
when has McGee been torched recently?
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
because Leodis was TORCHED
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy Moss, with help.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
not really
on the touchdown to Moss that was Reggie Corner on him. He didnt do much else
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
Couldn’t watch the game, but that is probably for the best. To paraphrase the loquacious Mike Tyson – I hope the Bills took their beatin like men.
Yeah, Donte talked trash all game along with some other and pissed off the Jets even more through the game
So they rolled up 270+ rushing yards, good job guys
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Donte Whitner sucks….. That is all.
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by Michael_Necci on Oct 3, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Digging your vernacular today
“lick” “aint”
Good stuff.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Ingram
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
and the funny part is people think we are kidding about that
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
only a true sophomore.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That Marecic kid from Stanford so he can play ILB and FB for us
That way we save a spot for Kelsay’s fat contract on the roster
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
One thing the stats don't show
Interceptions are one thing, but the Bills DB’s arent even close to getting their hands on the ball. I can only think of two possible picks on the year.
Kurrupt called it this off season when he predicted a drop off in that unit.
The darkest hour is upon us.
The switch to a 3-4 caused a huge dropoff iin talent vs staying with the 4-3 because that’s what the defense was built for.
Because the Defense coming in this year was built for a 4-3. It was dumb to switch to a 3-4 when there is getting to be a lack of proper players who are good for it because so many teams are running it, while you are seeing 4-3 defenses starting to get good again.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw it quite a bit today.
And we got run all over. At least Kelsay actually got a sack on occasion in the 4-3.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Something to this
It strikes me that the Bills were late to hop on the 4-3 band wagon and are not late hopping on the 3-4 bandwagon.
You got it backwards.
There are more teams running the 3-4 now than ever. There is getting to be a lack of talent at OLB and NT.
That’s why Bellicheat is taking his lumps now and going back to the 4-3.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
We were behind the curve to the switch to the 4-3 and the 3-4 now.
When we last had a 3-4 we were ahead of the curve.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
There wasn't a pass rush last year, either.....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
or the year before, or the ….
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
I've been telling everyone that for years!
Too bad I keep having to say it….:(
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Compared to this year there was.
Ever think they are better one gap players on the line might be the reason?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I never bought into Whitner or Byrd.....got torched for that too.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
I agree on Whitner. Byrd was clearly a good FS in the Cover 2. They’re not running that anymore.
2010 Bills' truth in advertising: "Look out Cleveland, this year we score 6!" - bluecollarbuffalo
why does that matter......FS in the Cover 2 don't have to support the run?
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Uh.......
do you see the problem with having to rely on a FS to support the run…….
Or should I point that obvious fact out?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Turn on your sarcasm detector.....Let's get back to the point....
Why does the fact the Bills are not running the T2 affect Byrds ability to make plays in the passing game
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Different responsibilites..........
Different scheme.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
tell me more
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Well Byrd was more of a floater alot of times last year......able to read the QB's eyes.....put in a different coverage zones.
And I dont think he has those same responsibilites in this same defense.
“I’d have to look at the tape” to be sure though.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
OK......get back to me on that :-)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
LOL.....ironically, that song explores what happened to Danny's "Bird"
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Just saw a "highlight" of the game
LT is running the ball. A Bills player dives at LT, completely missing him. LT scores a TD. Who was that Bills player?
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Rewound the DVR and saw it was Whitner......but he wasn't any better playing the T2....now I am really confused :-)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
your club membership card is in the mail. For signing up you get a free Buffalo Bills straight jacket in our beautiful current uniform colors. S&H not included
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
LOL....how about including a membership in the whiskey of the month club...
a new one delivered every Sunday at 1pm :-)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Whiskey of the Month
I hope it’s Wild Turkey with Honey!
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
that better be Whiskey of the WEEK club then Joe.
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
ssshhhhhhhh......people might think we drink to much :)
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Worse than even a huge pessimist thought
I recorded the debacle and just finished watching. Stunning. This is not a legitimate NFL franchise. The defense, especially the linebackers, are the worst group in memory. Prior to the season many on this blpg were singing the praises of the secondary. How do you like them now? How about that Jets TD where no less than 3 Jets receivers were unguarded in the end zone? Was Maybin active for the game? Never saw him. I never understood trying to run a 3-4 when you are missing all the key people necessary to make it work. Can’t wait for the upcoming CHIX poll from Brian.
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
we need Brad Jones from the Pack
If only we could get him and a decent pick for Lynch.
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would they give up a better player AND a pick?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
They would do it on madden.
bwaha
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee
missing was a problem today. The lack of a pass rush is a problem. I still like the secondary. But when your missing your best player, have no pass rush and are stacking up to try and stop a run you can’t contain at all you are going to get exposed no matter how good the secondary is. The front 7 is the problem, not the secondary
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The front 7 is the problem, not the secondary
I just can’t let the secondary off the hook. They had no run support and lost WR’s all over the field. Not to mention the ugly pass interference. Florence embarrassed himself.
The darkest hour is upon us.
good point
I probably shouldn’t let them off the hook either, McKelvin looked great early and then got picked on and Florence had a bad game. Still, I like this secondary A LOT more than the front 7.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Except
This doesn’t mean anything:
Still, I like this secondary A LOT more than the front 7.
I’d take torture over this front 7.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
not a single person in the secondary
that I would have on my team, including McGee. You think Byrd is a legitimate safety? Not me. Leo? please. The others aren’t worth mentioning.
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
wow
McGee, in my opinion, is one of the most underrated corners of the last decade. He has and still does, shut down no 1 receivers/.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
beg to differ
McGee is so weak that he cannot play up tight on any receiver let alone an elite receiver. He borders on laughable trying to cover the slant because he plays so far off. He’s all yours.
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
fair enough
I’ll gladly take him.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
1+
McGee is the most overrated player on this team. Nobody plays a softer cover, consistently 5-10 yards off his receiver.
We never put pressure on QBs and we can’t stop the run. Opposing offenses spend large chunks of time on the field against our “D.”
by ccthemovieman on Oct 3, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the secondary is largely ineffective.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Abandon the 3-4 and bring back Perry Fewell as D-Coordinator. I don’t care if the FO has to beg, borrow, or steal to get him back. There is NO excuse for this D to be THIS horrible. There was not a significant turnover in personnel, but the D playcalling of Edwards is based on talent that’s not there! Fewell did the best with what he had for talent. The offense needs help, but it is just depressing to see this D go from at least keeping the Bills in games to being a flat out liability.
Troup wouldn't be that bad of a DT either, would he?
A nice big run-stuffer next to a penetration DT a la Kyle Williams?
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Troup would be solid at DT. I don’t care if they went after drafts or FA’s based on a 3-4. The Bills are nowhere near 3-4 and until they get the talent to fully support a 3-4, then go with what you have! We’re not the strongest along the DL but we’re better off there than at LB. I’d rather see 4 DL up there holding up the line and trying to stuff the run, than see Kelsay in coverage. I’d rather see the secondary playing more a zone where they do better picking off the QB than this man coverage which has resulted in nothing for turnovers.
Why????
Abandon the 3-4 and bring back Perry Fewell as D-Coordinator.
The Giants D isn’t looking that good either.
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Under the 4-3, the Bills were simply a couple pieces away from a solid D. I think the secondary was top-notch. The weaknesses the D had were pressure on the QB and stopping the run. Add a stud LB or two who can stuff the run and rush the QB, and the D was solid. Now with this hybrid 3-4 Edwards is trying to run, nearly the entire D needs to be overhauled. The secondary which was solid last year in cover 2, aren’t anywhere near the playmakers in man coverage. The Bills barely had the LB’s for a 4-3, so now DE’s are converted to OLB?! Kelsay wasn’t the best on DL but he wasn’t quite the liability on D that he is now. Just frustrating to see the D fall apart the way it has—going from needing a couple key pieces—another DT or 2, and stud LB or 2—to suddenly needing to address nearly every position on D.
Agreed.
Maybe Brandon Graham/Derrick Morgan in the 1st and a OLB later on and this D would be doing much better than it is now.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
In a parallel universe…
Bills keep Fewell as HC and bring in Chan as OC.
Cut Edwards in the off season, not after Week 3.
Stay with a 4-3 and draft an OT (or trade for one) and a QB. We had Davis/Bulaga and Clausen available to us.
Persuade Aaron Schobel to play for one more year
Keep TO or at least have better options at WR.
Keep Joique Bell and Chad Simpson to complement Fred Jackson allowing Lynch to be traded for some other need like LB or TE.
by Billsdownunder on Oct 4, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Love it
Just went to read an article called “Fans keep the Faith” at buffalonews.com and it was blank…
by Tom LeValley on Oct 3, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
REC'd
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
that is priceless haha
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Evans
I’ve respected Lee for continuing to play, and not rock the boat saying things he shouldn’t in public. However, after today’s performance, I’m convinced the Bills need to shop him. When Fitzy is out there trying to at least make something positive out of the blowout making 3 nice passes in a row, Lee and Roscoe drop 3 in a row. Do good receivers occasionally drop balls? Of course. But there seemed to be no effort whatsoever. This team needs veteran leadership. But what they don’t need is veteran players that set an example of giving up. Yes, the game was pretty much out of reach. But come on! Trade Evans and Lynch for whatever we can get for them. Just clearing out Lee’s $9 million salary gives the FO room to bring in veteran leadership that actually has a fighting attitude—not a roll over and die attitude.
You just know Trent Edwards is laughing right now.
You just know it. Terrible or not, he’s no longer part of this mess. Even the Jaguars look good compared to these chumps.
Lee Evans. Come on man!
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
Lee Evans. Come on man!
My thoughts too. If your not going to give your all you shouldnt be starting.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What would be the hugest slap in the face.
Is if trent played and scorched us for 300 yards.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Trent.....scorched....my mind does not comprehend such statistical impossibilities.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If it is possible
the way things are going, I wouldn’t be surprised.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This team’s problem is far bigger than the QB. It could happen.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m glad I stayed home for this one!
Is it hockey season yet?
"Just Do Something" - Nike’s new logo for Bills apparel.
Paul McCartney Can't Play Piano
Burgundy Wave: Nobody's favorite Rapids Blog! (Now on SBnation!)
On the plus side,
Peters just got caught for holding in the Eagles game……way to earn your money dough boy
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Well then you will love this
Bell getting carries for the Eagles
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
No plus for me in that game. Vick went down.
Also, I wonder how it went when Jauron arrived in Philly, and saw Peters.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Four games
240 minutes
4:34 playing with the lead
Zero forced turnovers
When I have time, I’ll calculate how long trailing by more than one TD.
I think they had a FG lead on someone once.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul Hamilton just said Donte Whitner was the only one who seemed mad in the locker room.......
after the game.
On WGR.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised. Look at the amount of guys on the sidelines that were just smiling and chatty.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally I think that’s a good idea. In fact I stopped buying Bills mechandise after the Browns “game” last year. Need to hit Ralph where it hurts in the wallet & show him the fanbase is pissed.
Like what, move this terrible excuse he calls a team to a town that doesn’t even care about football. I hate to say this, but I say go ahead.
he's 100
His knees jerk regardless.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
The biggest disappointment that I saw in this game was that Mark Brunell got more playing time than Brian Brohm
I thought about that too, but then Fitz needs his reps as well. He didn’t get the first team reps through pre season and the first couple of games, so needs all the work he can get.
No matter how much you know about something, someone always knows more
by can on Oct 3, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Fitz
But Fitz didn’t deserve to get yanked… he played well.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, time to re-sign Josh Reed
If we’re not going to bother giving David Nelson a chance at #2.
On the plus side, at least Shawn Nelson is back next week.
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
That makes no sense.
But Shawn Nelson will open up our passing game even more.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was talking more of the re-signing Josh Reed part.
You didnt really give a justification at all for bringing him back.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah.....
total didnt get that.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and also still being confusing.
I was being facetious in response to Brian by replying in a manner that would appear as if I thought he was talking about Shawn Nelson.
and then I responded in a fashion that didn’t clear things up. Epic fail.
All that’s left is seppuku while i have some remaining honor.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, am I mistaken, or does Stevie Johnson have 3 TDs this season already? Isn’t that more than Josh Reed ever had in a season?
2010 Bills' truth in advertising: "Look out Cleveland, this year we score 6!" - bluecollarbuffalo
more of a response to
the boatload of drops by our wideouts.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You are mistaken. Johnson has 2 TDs, which ties his own career high, as well as Reed’s.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a funny thing the whole superstition theory.
But in looking at their uniforms, 90% of us loathe their dark blue and PJ roads, and tie them to the misery which has plagued this franchise for a decade.
I honestly cannot remember a time when they won wearing those wonderful throwbacks. Pretty as they are, they don’t bring the team any sort of a good luck charm.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
2 AFL championships?
Fire Gailey --- Fire George Edwards!!! They should be given passes for terrible players, not terrible play-calling.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No no no. Not the original versions of them. The modern interpretations – the throwback.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I preferred the white throwbacks last year.
2010 Bills' truth in advertising: "Look out Cleveland, this year we score 6!" - bluecollarbuffalo
They still have those. Those are their road throwbacks. They’re not allowed to wear them though because they were a tribute to the AFL. Stupid, I know.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
My own personal mini CHIX poll
Has the team shown any signs of improvement over the last few editions? NO!
Has the offense under Chan’s guidance improved? NO!
Has the offensive game planning improved under offensive guru Chan? NO!
Has the defense improved under the CHIX hand picked coordinator? NO!
Have the special teams improved under the CHIX hand picked coordinator? NO!
Have any of the signings of veteran players done by Sir Buddy helped improve the team? NO!
Can’t wait for the real poll. Gotta be this week, right Brian?
prediction for 2010 season is 3 and 13
Tomorrow. What are you gonna do, spam like 180 comments on that thread? :)
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You promised October 1!!!!!
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to wait until after the first October game. 8 and 9 AM tomorrow. Sheesh.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching Jacksonville driving towards a go-ahead against the Colts
…starting to bill-lieve 0-16 is a real possibility. I’m not being melodramatic.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Does Peyton Manning even play the same sport as Buffalo? It’s so much fun watching actual pro football at 4pm each week.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
This rebuild
Is looking more like a Donohoe Demolition with each passing week.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
At least with Donahoe
The Bills had some plans (build a strong D, find an experienced QB, and try to build an OL in the draft and fill the rest in FA) and actually had some quality moments and units. This incarnation just gets worse and worse……
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Oct 3, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
I am referring to the 3-13 season, instead of keeping our 3-4 and finding a coach to run it and fix the O, he brings in greggy and demolishes or 3-4 for something that took several years to change and wasn’t as good as the 3-4 when it was finished
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no problem changing schemes
If there were, every team would run the same schemes every year, just like they always have.
The problem is not having a front office competent enough to actually build the roster and find success.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I wish Fitz was a better quarterback.
Not a knock against how he played directly, or placing all the blame for the offensive performance on him. I feel like he was one of the few out there who was trying to put in some effort today. Just wish he had the tools to be the answer at QB over the long term, instead of being sucker #8 (9, 10, how many?) keeping the spot warm for our franchise QB (that may never get here).
Gailey is visibly pissed in his presser.
It’s encouraging, especially because he thinks he knows how they go about getting out of this mess. Let’s hope.
Also found it interesting that he admitted considering putting Brohm in right before halftime, and before Fitzy took them on the TD drive.
He looks like a coach really unhappy with the mess he’s inherited.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions
Yea that was encouraging!
I guess I wasn’t expecting a lot from the 1st four games (I was hoping for 1-3), but I think we were all hoping for a more exciting team. I hope they don’t run off some of the better players like Poz, whitner and evans just to please people. Forget about the secondary, they don’t get any pressure on the quarterback nobody could cover for as long as they ask.
by CarolinaBills21 on Oct 3, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If Evans keeps dropping passes, he’ll get benched. Chan has no problem with moving folks around until he gets someone who will play their @$$ off every down.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
I did see the drops today
I hope that was a one day thing, lack of concentration. I am willing to give him one game of not playing well. If it keeps up then yes, it might be time for him to hit the road. But the guy is good, not elite, but good. I think they have a lot more pressing issues in the front office to worry about, Lee can do his job.
by CarolinaBills21 on Oct 3, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm, I would happily sell Donte Whiffner for a 3rd rounder right now and Evans for a 2nd
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
He should be pissed.
Can anyone think of one thing thats shown improvement over the first month of the year?
Anything?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Roscoe Parrish has been the most improved player on the team, IMO.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh.....
yeah I guess that’s one thing that has been better.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can!
How I spend my time on Sunday afternoons has improved by leaps and bounds.
Our Wang don’t Hang; it’s a Calloway Wood cause we got Levitre.
I took his comment to mean the second quarter.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
he looked so so pissed
i have never seen him look like that
I think there will be a lot more of an overhall this season than last
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Damn..........
Jags just made a 59 yard FG to win……….
59 yards!?!?!?!?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
I continue to doubt that guy as a FF kicker. When am I going to learn. Scobee!
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We played terrible to put it kindly!!!
But the Jets looked damn good out there. Hard to find a weakness anywhere on that team. Think about who didn’t play and realize they are solid top to bottom.
YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde
Comments
It is amazing to me how many people commented on this game.
I am basically speechless, this is worse than I could have imagined. This team lacks direction, talent, youth… There is very little to look foward to this year.
I get really annoyed about Nix and Gailey complaining about anything that such as our players arent’ this or that, or don’t blame me for anything prior to this year. We get it, but we are passionate (and knowledgable) fans. We know you chose not to address what we viewed as key positions and now you are paying for it.
I was on board with Gailey, I thought he was the best available option (not a lot of people wanted to come to Buffalo)… But the fact that he refuses to get his play makers involved is killing me. Brian could re-post the article about Spiller not getting touches, because again today it is more appropriate than ever.
I have ALWAYS been a big Lee Evans fan and today was deflating because of his inability to make very good catches we have become accustomed to.
ONLY bright spot I saw today was Fitzy, he looked good, I really mean that. He did the best he could with no run game while he was running for his life.
I can’t imagine it getting much lower now, I guess that is the only positive, how much deeper a hole can OBD dig. My big issue is where is the answer at QB? I am not overly excited about anyone in the draft…
Sum it up? I am really sad.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I thought you liked your boy Pryor?
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Staying in school!
He ain’t coming out…. Wouldn’t you stay at Ohio State rather than be drafted by the Bills… Honlestly who do you think would win Ohio State or the Bills… Yes the Bills, but the fact that you had to think about it, is depressing.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
heck no
I’m coming out for the millions! No guarantees you dont get hurt, another guy passes you in terms of stock, whatever. No way to guarantee your in the money then to come out when your stock is high.
Plus, who wouldnt want to play with Demetrius Bell protecting you? hahaha ugh…
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He actually “said” he is coming back for whatever that’s worth. In reality, if he does and keeps improving he could be a #1 overall type guy… I really mean that. He is amazing… Thank god I have the buckeyes to get me through the Bills season…
BTW – I will post a fan shot… I met a bunch of the Bills on Saturday (Maybin, F. Jackson, S. Johnson, and Troupe). I got to actually chat with Maybin… I got my picture taken with him while I was wearing my Prior jersey (I will post)… Pretty frickin’ hilarious!
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank god I have the buckeyes to get me through the Bills season…
certainly better than having the Gophers
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And I have the Ducks.
I think the Ducks O could hang up 30 on this D
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
good for him. I actually respect guys who stay in college, personally, I dont know how someone can pass up the money but you make a good point that he could elevate his stock even further with another season showing the kind of yearly progress hes showcasing this year. So in some respects, its an investment on his part.
BTW – I will post a fan shot… I met a bunch of the Bills on Saturday (Maybin, F. Jackson, S. Johnson, and Troupe). I got to actually chat with Maybin… I got my picture taken with him while I was wearing my Prior jersey (I will post)… Pretty frickin’ hilarious!
Thats awesome! Where did you see them? Im looking forward to that post
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
At the Bills store… Can you beleive that the players actually have to buy their own stuff!!! Troupe kept looking at the price tags on things… It was killing me!
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
that is insane. How huge is Troup in person?I bumped into Poz and what stuck out is that he has a neck like a tree trunk. Not Takeo Spikes level but its huge.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Troup
Looked actually smaller than I pictured him… Still big obviously… Fred Jackson as well… Maybin looked bigger than I would have thought… I am about 5-10/150 for reference…
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Help
Can embed a pic… but here is Maybin and myself in the parking lot at OBD… I will give you the details later.. Seemed like a pretty decent guy… Gottal love my Prior jersey (it is the rivalry one they only wore during the Michigan game), my wife was wearing a Laurinitus Jersey…
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5017085&l=f35835cf39&id=857894787
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome
looking forward to the post! Maybins got a serious hairdo
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybin......
That is HAIR is the problem with him……..
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I am surprised by the lack of muscle on Maybin. Does he work out? No wonder he can’t get separation!
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Well I am RIPPED, so maybe I make him look small ;-)
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I met Maybin last year...he does seem like a nice kid.
Cool pic! That is hilarious that the Bills have to buy their own gear…
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Oct 3, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
that kid needs to mature/get bigger
he will be better i just know it.
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
r u gonna shhot his butt or his brain?
football knowledge would be better then bigger what….
Trent Edwards has no it factor. Just when you think his body language can't get any worse... he opens his mouth!!!!
Maybin really needs to start spending time in Canada getting himself some HGH and start bulking up
I’ll take the occassional blown Achilles if the kid would start blowing dudes up
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Jason, you look NOTHING like I was expecting you to look like. I was expecting more of a Michael Chicklis thing.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hade to google him… I think not looking like him is a compliment? In retrospect I should have had my wife stand next to him in the photograph…. She is MUCH more photogenic.
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, the Commish ruled!
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 4, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with most of that
Hey, ALL of us knew this team was going to suck this year, so it shouldn’t be a shock we are at the bottom of the standings. The only things that bother me are (1) this defense looks clueless and we’ve done nothing to help stop the run or put pressure on QBs; (2) we draft a “playmaker,” claim we need to get the ball in his hands (Spiller)…..and then proceed to basically ignore him.
For those of us who have suffered through 1-13 and 21-4 seasons, we’ve seen this before. This team may get worse – if that’s possible – before we get better. Get ready to deal with it, sad to say.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 3, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
(2) we draft a "playmaker," claim we need to get the ball in his hands (Spiller)…..and then proceed to basically ignore him
I am totally on board with this statement. To me, this is the most concrete, undeniable problem with Chan Gailey’s performance so far. And this is coming from a guy, as you know, who has been defending him pretty strongly. Even I can not fathom why Gailey is doing this. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt but if it doesnt change I’m going to start questioning his judgment. The excuse of not wanting to put a rookie in behind that terrible o-line is not ok either, the justification for his drafting was that he would be a playmaker for an offense devoid of talent.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK.....positive spin time
Gailey is not playing Spiller because he doesn’t want him to take the hits behind a crappy Oline on a team that has little to no chance of winning…..errrrrrr……was that a positive spin??
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Maybe they are “showcasing” Lynch still… BTW – I completely disagree with that statement… it is ridiculous… Although I have no other logic…
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
its insane. And its not even like CJ has looked bad on special teams or when he has been in. Hes looked good! Two TDs, he had a nice run in this game and has looked good returning.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Gailey was the only one I defended at OBD… And he is making Modrack look good…
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
im almost ok with it
he is getting playing time and limiting the risk of a injury.
You know they know how bad they arer right now, why not slowly give him experience and save him when we actually have a team.
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Building blocks
But where are the pieces to get us there? This years draft class looks awful so far… Very premature, but no one is exciting me… They can’t even find playing time… And that is a BIG deal considering these are Nix/Gailey’s guys!
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fitz and McIntyre were our two best players out there today, BY FAR
I completely agree with you on that.
We got a ton of holes to fix, and honestly, I am thinking we need to knock the house into the basement, set fire too it, and rebuild afresh.
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Dick Jauron
say what you will about his coaching abilities, but he took a team with virtually the same core players, with less experience, and managed to put together consecutive seasons that were slightly below mediocre.
The way this team is playing under Chan Gailey, mediocre would be several steps forward from where we are today. In the Miami game, and in that game only, at times our defense looked like an NFL defense. In the Patriots game, and in that game only, at times our offense looked like an NFL offense.
Now comes a stretch against some mediocre teams. So far, everything I’ve seen from this team tells me that we would be lucky to be in the game against even teams like Jacksonville, Oakland and Detroit. Since we play all 3 of these teams, IF we get lucky, we might manage a 2-14 record. Which seems somewhat optimistic given the performance we’ve seen from this team.
The way this team is playing, they could have all of the top 10 picks in next year’s draft, and still be unable to field a competitive team. They’re that bad.
by NoiseIsTheBestRevenge on Oct 3, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’d rather face the fact the team is bad, than squeak out a bunch more 7-9 teams by playing Jauron keepaway football.
by greysquirrel on Oct 3, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Coming from someone who originally defended the FO...
…it is sad that I now doubt their vision. Minus Spiller who Chan doesn’t fully utilize, I’m not impressed with any of their draft picks. They failed miserably to do anything about the OL or QB situations. Compounding matters, they decided to adopt a new defensive scheme without the right parts in place. If they genuinely wanted to convert to a 3-4, why not overhaul the D before implementing it?! Now, we’re in this modified 4-3, 3-4 mess where no part of the D looks impressive at all. This same secondary was effective last year in a cover 2, so what’s the team do? Go to more man coverage equating to no turnovers. The Bills don’t have the LB’s for the 3-4 so what do they do? Try converting DE’s who can’t cover worth squat to put them as OLB’s. Under the 4-3, we were a few pieces away from a top notch D. We simply needed a little more up front to create more pressure on the QB and stop the run. But now with this 3-4? We almost need a complete overhaul of personnel just to fit the system. To me, this make no sense.
After watching this game it just makes me wonder, how far away are we?
Is it a few key free agent acquisitions?
A couple solid drafts?
A good coach and staff?
A total front office change and philosophy?
Ownership?
What?
For starters
QB, LT, 1WR, OLB, ILB, DE, SS, and FS
If all the stars align, pigs learn to fly, humanity achieves world peace, doctors discover a cure for cancer, scientists perfect cold fusion, and hell freezes over, the Bills might win the SB this year.
Offense avg 15.25 ppg
Defense giving up 31.25 PPG
OMGFMLFTL
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
The sky is falling.
Buffalo born & bred. Bills fan since 1968.
by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Oct 3, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
ummm, no, its already in piles around our feet
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Ummm, why are you here yourself? We are all wasting time for the night game too actually get going (myself anyway)
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Haha, let me shed some light: I left this thread to watch Gailey’s presser, which took me 5 minutes, and I returned to 123 new comments. I was just shocked.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, then its a case of we are all masochists of varying stripes
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Anyhow, games on so I'll be back
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Unfortunately people likely find comfort in this site.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Buffalorumblings, the Bills fans alternative to drinking
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
especially when you've been banned from the BB.com boards...
…not that i have… <.< …. >.>
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s always the Lingerie Football League, I guess.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
we saw that today
Fitz was wearing black undies!
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
Heh. Fortunately for everyone Fitzy doesn’t go commando.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank god for compression shorts!
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
the Jets
were taking the idea of bullying the lowly Bills too literally! Now their pantsing us!
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
There's plenty......
We havent even started on the chicken/egg argument yet.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, here it would be the Chicken Wing arguement
Duffs or Anchor?
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Duffs.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 3, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditto
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
That’s solved. We have made society’s choice. They will now only need to eat Duffs wings.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 4, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
its therapy Brian. Just when we thought things couldnt get worse than the Dolphins game the Jets game happened.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nix/Gailey
The best thing to happen to Buffalo Rumbling since Brian Galliford! Your site will be AMAZINGLY popular over the next few months… I told Maybin he should contact you for an interview ;-)
"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards
"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix
by Jason from OH-IO on Oct 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha – actually, we do much better traffic-wise, but much worse comment-wise, when the team is performing well.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is........
we havent been having much traffic lately.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, we’re doing quite well traffic-wise. Averaged almost 38,000 page views per day last week. We just do way better when the team isn’t reminiscent of the Akron Zips.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 3, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
are those all unique views?
Or is it because I hit refresh a bunch of times in a day?
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF is there to talk about?
Well, we’ve all come to the realization that the 2010 Buffalo Bills are the worst team in the league. After spending 6 months or so hoping we’d at least be a young, exciting team to watch, many of us are trying to get to the acceptance phase as quickly as possible. And let’s face it, the future isn’t bright: the Bills permanence in Buffalo remains in doubt; the front office is utterly incompetent; over ten years without making the playoffs, etc.
Frankly, Brian, good as you are what you do, the fans really need is a professional grief counselor.
krytime wins the day – his fantasy team put up 144 in our dynasty league, behind the efforts of Arian Foster, Maurice Jones-Drew and… wait for it… RYAN FITZPATRICK.
Guess your league doesnt care about completion percentage too much lol.
"Oh man, moral victories and pulling confidence from losses, that's crap" -Marcus Stroud
by norcaliangelsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That Kurupt guy put 155 up
Behind such luminaries as TO, Peyton Hillis and Zach Miller. Woohoo.
Unfortunately that’s my lowest point total this year.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
You need to work on your bench press pal! ;-P
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
I tried to join that league, but was somehow shut out. Good thing too. I’d have brought my mediocre drafting ability to the table!
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 4, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
this team is bad
and I mean REALLY bad. We are officially the worst team in the NFL if anyone had any doubt before today. It’s actually kind of depressing. The dreary weather at the game was very fitting.
I’m fairly convinced that #1 Alabama could possibly beat the Bills.
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!
by uscBillsGamecock on Oct 3, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions
Worst Team in the League
A friend broke this news to me today the way that someone might tell you that a relative has terminal cancer. “I’m afraid that your Bills are the worst team in the league.” Lions. Browns. Panthers. Yup. You’re right. It’s just that bad.
I was thinking that a quarterback and left tackle might be enough to turn us around. That and three good linebackers.
It’s going to be a very, very long year. And I could get through it, if I thought that they’d actually draft the best quarterback.
reality sucks, doesn’t it? I came to the realization that the Bills are the worst team in the league halfway through the first quarter. We are at risk of going winless this year and I am NOT HAPPY about that prospect!
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
I'm still confused
how you go from 6 wins to 0 wins. ineptitude is my only explanation.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
O-line
This will probably be cleared up with Ron from NM’s awesome O-line review, but to me didn’t seem like Fitz was under duress the whole game. 1 of the 3 he rolled right into. I dunno, I could be delusional (or clearly on another planet) but I didnt think the O-line got blasted during pass protect like I expected.
So what's the plan here? What is this year being used for?
At 0-4, I can assume we will not make the playoffs. So what is the goal for this year? What is the bigger plan?
I guess our offensive line, mostly a bunch of young players, are gaining valuable experience, so that is good.
Marshawn and Fred Jackson are in their prime….this is kinda a wasted year for these two, huh?
CJ Spiller probably only needs a few games to get acclimated to the speed of the NFL game….but after that, RBs are usually good to go and start their good years. Maybe we can call this year a learning year for CJ.
Lee Evans is wasting a year in his prime. Steve Johnson is getting some valuable experience though.
I wish Maybin was good enough to be on the field…then he would be getting experience. McKelvin is at least getting real reps.
I don’t know…..to be honest, it seems like we are wasting more “prime” years of our good players (Evans, Fred Jackson, Marshawn, Roscoe, McGee) than getting game experience for our younger players (CJ, Maybin, McKelvin, Wood, Bell, Levitre). Is this always how rebuilding years are like? I guess I just don’t see much building….more like wasting.
Whats the plan?
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
I don’t know…..to be honest, it seems like we are wasting more "prime" years of our good players (Evans, Fred Jackson, Marshawn, Roscoe, McGee) than getting game experience for our younger players (CJ, Maybin, McKelvin, Wood, Bell, Levitre). Is this always how rebuilding years are like? I guess I just don’t see much building….more like wasting.
Yes, a coach cant just quit on a season or his players wont respect him. You cant ask players to go out and buy into your gameplan on Sundays when you arent trying to win. Also, we had to start out the year trying to win with the players in their prime. Its still early in the season, the balance will likely shift as the season goes on and it becomes more appropriate to start indicating explicitly that the playoffs arent happening. These players started 5-1 one year and then blew it, Im sure some of them still believe they can turn it around and Gailey has to foster that. Once playoffs are out of sight, we’ll start seeing the reps for the other younger guys. I also expect a lot of trades before the deadline for picks.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just strange to think about...our roster is kinda not made for a rebuild
By the time we fill the current holes in the team (1-2 offensive tackles, 1 QB, 2-3 pass rushers/LBs, 1-2 WRs, and 1 TE)……that would take 2-3 years, right? At that point, won’t we have to start finding replacements for Fred Jackson, Lee Evans, Marcus Stroud, T. McGee, possibly D. Whitner and Poz…..right? How can this all happen in our lifetime?
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Oct 3, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
not roster is made for a rebuild
thats why they are so painful and its why not fan ever, ever wants to hear those words uttered in regards to their team. A rebuild means you have nothing. Guys like Fred, Lee, Marcus, McGee play the role of helping the rebuilding team learn to win and make strides, part of the progress is going from 2-14 to 5-11 to 8-8 to 10-6 to 12-4. There will be plenty of time to replace those guys with first round picks when we are picking in the middle of the round. You start with a QB at this point with a top 5 pick and go from there and just buckle down for the long haul. I think the out of control negative comments on these boards towards Nix and Gailey more than anything shows that most of the fans didnt understand what rebuilding was going to entail. Rebuilding takes a long time. Its a dreaded word because its a dreaded phase for a team to be in. Its why Cowher and Shanahan didnt want to coach here, they didnt want to take on a rebuilding project its not fun.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah....I think your right. This could be painful!
As long as we hit on the quarterback, every other position becomes a little less crucial I guess.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Oct 3, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom
before you start to make real progress. This is where a “plan” comes in…..and we have to hope that the new regime knows what they are doing. Cutting your starting QB was a start. Judging from today’s performance, other shocking cuts may also have to be made before this ship is turned around.
by ccthemovieman on Oct 4, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, my issue is more that the Bills brass never came right out to tell us that they were rebuilding
All of us older fans could smell it, but be honest with us, and don’t pull this half ass BS we are seeing right now. Just put the youngsters in and let them take their licks.
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
And also CJ Spiller's clock starts the moment you draft him
Considering that RBs are basically ready to contribute halfway into their rookie season (once they adjust to the speed of the NFL and learn how to block and pick up bliztes), it’s just strange that we drafted a player ready to contribute right away….even though our team in not ready to win right away!
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Oct 3, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
a rookie Qb
will need someone he trusts to hand the ball to because we certainly wont be airing it out right away with a youngin and our oline and receivers.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
will need someone he trusts to hand the ball to because we certainly wont be airing it out right away with a youngin and our oline and receivers.
A rookie needs a LT who he Knows will protect his blindside, otherwise they can be Trent 2.0
I sure hope since we don’t have that, Locker is the pick, he is starting to make improvement last night, he looked good, beat USC at home last year, on the road this year and put up more points. 300+ passin 100+ rushing. He probably could have put up 400yds through the air if his receiver could have caught the perfect balls that hit them in the hands, they easily had 10-15 drops.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 4, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be ok with Locker
I would also be ok with letting Fitz start another year if we dont get a LT good enough not to rattle the talent out of our rookie QB.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
We can trade some of them, given our playoff run is probably not coming in the next few years. evans, lynch/jackson, mcgee, could net us some picks.
Its crazy to say but I found a positive in this game....
Its good to see our head coach PISSED. And by Pissed I mean absolutely furious!
Thats good news for a change!
I HAVE THE HEART OF THE BUUFALO the strength of the OF THE MOUNTAIN , THE FURY OF THE THUNDER AND MY WILL IS UNBREAKABLE , I will not surrender to KNOW ONE - abayarde
I agree. Jauron would treat them like ‘professionals’, but I don’t think they all are. It’s going to be painful, but Gailey is going to have to remake the culture of this team, it had gone soft. Individual players weren’t held accountable for poor play. If they were, it took a long time for the coach to do anything about it. The lack of a dedicated football ops guy probably also made it harder. At least now it sounds like CHIX are perfectly willing to tell a grown man he sucks and to get better or get out. We need that.
but Gailey is going to have to remake the culture of this team
He has changed the culture,
from mediocracy to utter failure.
At least now it sounds like CHIX are perfectly willing to tell a grown man he sucks and to get better or get out. We need that.
Judging from the way Kelsay was flopping around on the ground out of position, I am not so sure, I am still dumbfounded they gave him a contract extension of all people.
I wish someone at OBD, would say whose bright idea it was to do that in public.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has changed the culture,
from mediocracy to utter failure.
There was nothing mediocre about last season, it was an utter failure. Give a new coach time, Jauron was just able to do better because they were his players and he knew all about them. Lets not pretend Jauron is better than Gailey.
"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly"
by poz on Oct 3, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Most FO / coaching changes don’t give you instant gratification. I don’t expect it, and I think they deserve a season or two before you can evaluate it whether they have turned the ship around or made the right moves. I know that’s not news to feel good about, but I think its the reasonable expectation.
Jauron/Levy’s regime had numerous offseasons and FAs to add players. They made their moves and consistently finished an ugly 7-9. They had four years to build their team and it was found wanting. We never got better. It didn’t look like we were even that close given the offenses implosion last year. I’m not gonna view that through rose-colored glasses. Maybe we kept games close and stole a few, but we weren’t playing winning football. We were playing, hope the other team beats themself and we steal one. That’s find for going 7-9, but that appears to be the ceiling on that strategy.
My Biggest problem.
Is the switch to the 3-4.
We are at a time when more teams are using it then ever, there is getting to a point where there is such a lack of quality OLBs and NT, that smarter coaches like Bellicheat are going back to the 4-3 and paying the transition price now.
I have seen this movie before, under wade, we had a dominant 3-4, but a lousy O. Instead of getting someone to fix the O and keep our dominant 3-4, We hire Greg Williams, and demolish our 3-4, while never really fixing the O. Finally after a bunch of years we have a pretty decent 4-3, but still a lousy O. Back to square 1.
I just can’t understand everyone’s desire to run the 3-4, it’s like all the cool coaches are doin it so we have to, when in reality many of the smarter coaches are not doing it, because the are realizing that there is getting to be a lack of talent for it in key positions. I fear not going with continuity with the 4-3, Is the key decision in the next decade of futility.
If you have a broken offense that has a lot of holes that needs fixing.
Why switch from the 4-3 that has a couple holes to the 3-4, and create a whole lot more holes?
IF you are already digging yourself a ditch, the key to get out of it is to stop digging.
I liken the switch to the 3-4 as another season of digging.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I am defensive of the new guys in general, because we need to judge them considering their options and give them a reasonable time-frame. However, this is one critique I am sympathetic too. OLBs are extremely difficult to find now and having the minority scheme makes player acquisition easier. It also means teams may be less prepared for your defense because they see it less often. It probably was a step back that doesn’t pay a heck of a lot of dividends considering there are great defenses that run both.
How do the Steelers draft and develop all that front 7 talent? It’s insane. I’m hoping Whaley can give us just a taste of that secret sauce.
by greysquirrel on Oct 3, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I seriously hope.
At the end of the season, can George Edwards.
Promote George Catavalos to DC, he was here long enough to know how to run and probably has a good feel for how Perry called it.
Move Bob Sanders back to DL coach.
How do the Steelers draft and develop all that front 7 talent? It’s insane. I’m hoping Whaley can give us just a taste of that secret sauce.
Dick LeBeau
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Dick LeBeau
At least for development.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd support that.
I also seriously hope the FO actually goes after QUALITY FA’s this offseason. No more Green! If they want to draft for the future, great! But upgrade some key positions through FA’s—don’t just depend on the draft to fill holes. Otherwise, they’re just going to continue chasing their tail—as they finally fix one position, another need pops up.
So we can return
to the 4-3, and scrap the 3-4 experiment, we need less players to make the 4-3 work.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would we do that?
That’d be yet another step back….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
No it wouldn't
We still have most of the players except schobel and Kawika.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I could also live with
Retaining him as a position coach.
We need to much for a 3-4 and too many teams run it, we had 28 ints last year
0 this year through a quarter season.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Troup may be decent enough at DT in a 4-3. Maybe Maybin can do something alongside one of those two, and Kelsay, while mediocre, is better at DE than he ever was at OLB.
That leaves us now in a worse position than last year. With Mitchell gone we need 2 OLBs and a DE (unless Ellis can take over for Kelsay).
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Move Poz
to WIL, Andra Davis, to MLB, and try to find a faster than average SAM linebacker in the 250-260 range.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And if we move back to the 4-3 (one can hope), and Luck decides to stay in school, maybe Adrian Clayborn could play 4-3 DE in the NFL. Hello domination.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Im kinda pumped to have the 1st overall pick,
it is almost like a new beginning. ’
Ya know how they say ya gotta hit rock bottom before you can fully recover? well this is our chance. We have been bottom feeders, but we need to crash into it if we want to finally start to climb back up.
We should be excited not dissapointed in today’s performance
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
really..
6 years late to be excited to be a bad team! bottoming out is all well and good but it should not have come to this if there was any competent drafters at OBD. We stepped back to beyond the raiders and lions to a degree that is almost unbelievable. I was offered tickets for my birthdat and would rather stat home. had season tix for 5 years till 2008. used to love the tailgate and experience more than anything. couldnt pay me to go now. Pumped……
Trent Edwards has no it factor. Just when you think his body language can't get any worse... he opens his mouth!!!!
by ughhhh! on Oct 3, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't count yer chickens before they hatch.
Im kinda pumped to have the 1st overall pick,
They can find a way to screw that up too.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The Setting: Week 16.5
The Bills are 0-15. Half way through the practice week leading up to the last game. To save a shred of dignity, they pull out all the stops to win the last game.
They’re caught videotaping the opposing teams practice….
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I just see right ...
Todd Collins is still in the NFL … and is now playing for the Bears tonight?
Yikes. I am getting old.
i feel delerious and lost. first off Florence is very vey bad.
I dropped a lot of loot on this game today and heard a lady go “I haven’t left a Bills game this early in 40 year” in the third quarter.
So I feel that I don’t drink that I still had beer goggles on. Thought Kelsay didn’t look so bad, then readin comments on here I guess from the tv view you can see his blown coverages, maybe I’m a tard and desperate to see a positive… I thought he didn’t MISS tackles but apparanbtly he didn’t even get a hand on some guys. Again my beer goggles are on desperately seeking a positive.
Florence looked lost. I understand he had a hard task but I swear he cost our team a bunch of yards thanks to pass interference, and a touchdown or two.
Whitner also was out of position even though he had 13 tackles, he just gets blown by.
Please help me see the light. I’m seein the bridge instead.
What’s up with lee droppin mad balls! 2 right in front of me on the 40.
I apologize for talkin out of my bunghole tonight just so bummed.
by sketchydave on Oct 3, 2010 10:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
supply and demand good seats off a jets fan of course.
Hopin to see the legendary upset game.
Failed.
by sketchydave on Oct 3, 2010 10:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless that was for 4 tickets
you got ripped off even if they would have won. I was seeing $20 tickets all week.
by twoeightnine on Oct 3, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
sketchyproductions@gmail.com
Email me when you see those 20 dollar tickets
Thanks.
Also I haven’t paid more than 40 usually for a good seat. I was desperate.
by sketchydave on Oct 3, 2010 11:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just got to Stubhub.
You can pick up tickets to the Browns game for $13 right now.
Personally I’d wait though, by the end of November they’ll be $5.
by twoeightnine on Oct 3, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Join the group
I believe all of us are in desperate need of something positive to take away from this situation. If players had stepped up showing promise, this loss would have been much more tolerable. But instead, it seems like all too many players regressed. The OL where some of us were seeing signs of individual improvement seemed to take giant steps backwards. The run stop on D was nonexistent. The Roscoe and Lee with not 1, not 2, but 3 drops in a row that all should have been cought seemed to be the icing on the cake. It’s one thing seeing your team lose with inferior talent. It’s a completely different to see players seem to give up. Talent is what it takes to win games. But the reason they say “any given Sunday…” is because sometimes effort can overcome the gap in talent. Fitzy showed heart out there. He might not be our franchise QB, but I admire his grit. That’s the type of attitude we need on this team. Unfortunately, it seems like not many on the team have that mentality.
There’s just no sync to the players especially on defense
As a Bills fan I sit and talk to all my friends this year is different those power rankings are garbage etc but in reality I’ve been drinkin some great kool aid when I watch every Bills video on the site and watch them make these “would be” plays in live action against themselves.
Instead of signing a bum named Kelsay why don’t you give shobel 4 mil a year extra to effin come back and play on our team. Money Way better spent. Or how about luring in a “big name” free agent that you don’t wanna get.
I’m so livid. Ralph is a pile of crap the product sucks and without fans like us there is NO bills team.
by sketchydave on Oct 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m there with you. As I’ve posted before, was going to make the pilgrimage to Buffalo to watch them once I got back from Afghanistan, but thinking I’d rather spend my money on a Sabres game.
Might be a good idea.
They will probably get a win before the Bills, and the Bills had quite a head start to get 1 under the belt.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 4, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
felt nothing
no emotion among most players.
they knew they were totally overmatched
our fullback should play linebacker.
evans quit.
fitz played hard.
why is fred jackson not starting?
This is all I have
I don’t believe that professional sports teams throw games. I guess teams tend to “tank” during the NBA season, but that’s usually throwing in the towel early vs. trying to lose all year. But if you told me this team was intentionally designed to lose football games…it wouldn’t shock me.
"I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee. And specifically, not a Buffalo Bill."
-Joe Dimaggio
I have a positive.
fitz played hard.
70 Yards scrambling, maybe he is our test subject for a Jake Locker led offense!!!
If Fitzy could roll up 70, Locker probably Rolled up 150 and 2 TDs
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 3, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
Fitz did play hard
And never conceded. That’s always nice to see even in a massacre.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
He and McIntyre both played balls to the wall all game, neither guy was ready to give up
Lee checked out quite early today
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Fitz played more than well enough to win this game for us.
He put the ball in the WRs hands.
They just decided to drop them all.
by NordicBillsfan on Oct 3, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee with 2 drops, Parrish with one… Im sure there were more. Overall we were just so ugly today.
Buffal Bills. We have no 'O'
Locker
He’ll fit in here,
He hits so many receivers in the hand, and they can’t hang on.
Last night he hit his receivers in the hand on 3 consecutive plays, they finally got a 1st down on the winning drive on 4th down when someone finally hung on to one.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 4, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw that, that was pathetic on the part of the Washington WRs
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
Locker hasn’t beaten anyone good. I hope the Bills have nothing to do with him come next April. He is more of a project than Tim Tebow.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 4, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Scuba had two drops
abayarde- "Sunday the Whagon BLASTER IS taking of and the GODZILLA IS IN IT . EVERY BODY AND EVERYTHING IN THE WAY will be CRUSH, VANISH , NON EXISTENCE, PULLVERISE, DESINTEGRADED, The Force is stronger than EVER . THE JEDI IS READY, TO FACE the Dark side."
So who else thinks Bob Sanders
Has defensive play calling responsibilities after the bye?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Not me.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Oct 4, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
There's only so much you can do with such little talent
Especially in the front 7
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Trent
Watch Trent kick our ass.
No.1 draft pick here we come. At least we’ve got that to look forward to. lets not blow that also.
Garrard helped beat the Colts. Trent won’t see the field unless something major happens.
"Give back some of that money you ain't [expletive] earned!" - Eric Wood
Current song recommendation: The Rolling Stones - "Shine a Light"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Oct 4, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
let's calm down, shall we?
I’m wondering if any administration has ever had a shorter leash than this one. It’s been 4 games since they’ve been hired. Give them some time before we rip their heads off. Obviously it doesn’t look good right now, but who here expected them to be competing by week 4 of this season?
"I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee. And specifically, not a Buffalo Bill."
-Joe Dimaggio
The Bills are exactly where I thought they’d be. Sure I expected to win one of these four games, but we all know that didn’t happen.
What I see is a team who can compete with playoff contenders (Miami and New England) and are obviously in a different league against Super Bowl Contenders (Green Bay and New York).
The Jags beat the Colts, but I don’t think anyone believes their a playoff or Super Bowl team. We’ll get a clear view of where our Bills belong after next week.
Then it’s a well deserved bye week for us fans!
by Baron Hashimoto on Oct 4, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Question
Why are we having so much difficulty with our secondary? I did expect a slight drop off in picks, but wasn’t there something written somewhere (I know how vague that sounds, sorry) that said we’d switch to the 34, but the backfield would remain in the same schemes as last season? I could have sworn I read that.
Anyways, I’m highly disappointed in the FO so far. I understand the need to check out what our players can do, and what players need to be fitted with a pair of cement shoes, but it seems to me that we’re not even going with what’s worked so far. Jackson can obviously run the ball behind this line. He even did well with the minor touches he received. And 2 thumbs up to Fitz. He’s not the greatest, but that guy plays with moxie.
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