Bills vs. Lions: Pettigrew Reminder Of What Might Have Been
by MattRichWarren on Nov 10, 2010 12:50 PM EST
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PrintThe Detroit Lions took tight end Brandon Pettigrew 20th overall in the 2009 draft. Nine picks earlier, the Buffalo Bills spent their first round pick on defensive end Aaron Maybin. Eight picks after the Lions selected Pettigrew, the Bills spent their second first round pick on guard Eric Wood.
Many predicted Pettigrew could be a target for the Bills at 28. Strong, athletic, fast, and labeled a "complete tight end" coming out of Oklahoma State, the Bills could have filled a rather large hole at the position. Instead, Detroit plucked Pettigrew and the Bills settled for Shawn Nelson in the fourth round.
Since entering the league two years ago, Pettigrew has grown with his classmate QB Matthew Stafford. Pettigrew started 11 games for the Lions a year ago, and all eight of his team's games this year. In 2009, he finished fifth on his team in receptions and yards and scored two touchdowns. This season, he has already eclipsed all of his marks from his rookie season. He is currently third on the team in receptions with 38, trailing Jahvid Best by three and Calvin Johnson by a single reception. His 362 yards and three touchdowns are second.
Not only has Pettigrew been consistent, he is stretching the field for Lions QBs. In his rookie year, he averaged 11.5 yards per reception, and in 2010 is going for 9.5 yards a clip.
Against the Bills this week, Pettigrew could have a huge game. The Bills have been awful against tight ends this season allowing Greg Olsen, Todd Heap, Marcedes Lewis, Dustin Keller, Aaron Hernandez, and Jermichael Finley to have big days and score touchdowns.
Nelson, the Bills' consolation prize, has come nowhere near Pettigrew's production. He was suspended for the first four games of the season by the NFL and has 19 receptions in 14 games. His lone touchdown came in his NFL debut.
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Another reminder of “terrible” drafting by Bill’s FO. Could be plain old bad luck as well but geesh, we need some good drafts going forward. Are you listening Santa!
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by Kurupt on Nov 10, 2010 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
How is it terrible drafting? How many TEs are worth 11 overall?
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 10, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Buffalo could have traded down. Even if they stayed put and taken Pettigrew we’d be getting more from the pick than we have with Maybin.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Nov 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Well you could say that if they drafted a bag of footballs, Ron.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 10, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, even the footballs know what it’s like to come in contact with the quarterback. heyoo.
by quantumuprising on Nov 11, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Well
I did say bad luck as well (Maybin).:) Are you relly impressed with our drafting?
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by buffalobacker on Nov 10, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
There is a huge gulf between “impressed with” and “terrible”.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 10, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
How many SS are worth the 8th overall?
How many RBs are worth the 9th overall anymore?
I’d take “reaching” for a TE who is performing in the NFL over guys who can’t even see the playing field any day.
by twoeightnine on Nov 10, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Whitner WAS the best Tampa II safety coming out, so… there goes the old argument that you should draft by need.
BPA – all the way.
It's still Patrick FitzRyan in this house!
BPA is a myth.....need is always a factor in who the FO sees as the BPA.
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TE's can be bad too
Say Tony Hunter. Say Reuben Gant.
I don't really think there's a.....
“What might have been”
Unless the Bills were thinking about taking Pettigrew #11 overall, there really isn’t this question to be asked. Although, with the bum the Bills did draft, taking Pettigrew that early would have been a brilliant move in hindsight. As would taking about a dozen other 1st rounders taken after our pick….
I don’t think Hernandez or Finley scored against us, did they? I know Finley didn’t because I was expecting a monster fantasy game from him for me.
I actually think Tony Scheffler will also see a ton of success this week. If Drew Stanton starts, the tight end could be his main target all day…
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by Kurupt on Nov 10, 2010 12:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow, forgot about Tony
ya, we need to prepare for both these guys. I hope it is televised.
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I hope so too.
I’m a Detroit fan so obviously I’d be outside the blackout zone, but I absolutely hate the blackout rule with a passion. I’d hate to see you guys go through what we had to when we beat the Redskins both this year and the last.
I know for a fact that the Bills were thinking about taking him at 11. 100% sure of it.
by Brian Galliford on Nov 10, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Thinking about
Or debating between him and Maybin?
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by Kurupt on Nov 10, 2010 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hate to second guess, but that would change the entire perception of that draft
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 10, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
You have no idea, man. They went into that draft with two guys they LOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD – Pettigrew and Clay Matthews. They got neither, and that is why they suck.
by Brian Galliford on Nov 10, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I love that they had a chance at both, wanted both
And still picked Maybin. Oh how I love this team.
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by Kurupt on Nov 10, 2010 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who cares? The Bills sucked at drafting. Jauron, Guy and Modrak utterly failed and we’re only starting to grasp now just how horrendous they were.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Nov 10, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
How could that be?
Not trying to doubt your inside info, but if they loved those guys that much, why didn’t they take one of them at #11?
Do I detect a little yoda?
They got neither, and that is why they suck.
Luke – “I don’t believe it”
Yoda – “And that is why you failed”
And by the way, I thought you didn’t like all the “the Bills should have drafted this guy” posts :-)
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They went into that draft with two guys they LOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD – Pettigrew and Clay Matthews. They got neither, and that is why they suck.
Something smells fishy here. If they loved those two so much, why didn’t they take one of them when they had the chance?
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by thefourwinds on Nov 10, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not to defend the FO
but maybe they believed Maybin would have been selected earlier, & used that as a basis to list the player(s) they wanted. We will probably never know.
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by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Nov 10, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
You have no idea, man. They went into that draft with two guys they LOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD – Pettigrew and Clay Matthews. They got neither, and that is why they suck.
Then why in the world did we get Maybust?
Jauron was tiebreaker?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 10, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
they would still suck if they had pettigrew, we have enough players to throw to,we suck because our defense sucks so your point is right when talking about matthews but could care less about pettigrew.
I know right
Our all pro TE’s have been lighting it up for us.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I want to know
Who had the final say in that draft room. Thats it.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Why does it matter?
You can’t fire the owner…unfortunately.
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by NordicBillsfan on Nov 10, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Agree kurupt
Drafting a TE at #11 is nearly as bad as drafting a….RB at #11. Any TE drafted at #11 should have the talent to play WR.
A pass rusher was the major need, Bills had the right idea but totally incompetent talent evaluation.
I dunno if I can agree with that.
Tight ends are almost universally seen as the most complete athletes in the NFL. There’s a reason why the best TEs don’t play WR, it’s a waste of potential.
Hernandez didn't
because Gronkowski did. Combined they went 9-108 and a TD.
by twoeightnine on Nov 10, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not “What might have been” like "we missed on such a great guy. To me it’s more “man we needed a tight end and he was eight spots away, not that it guarantees we would have picked him.”
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 10, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think bringing up Pettigrew is cruel and usual punishment.
by BobDH on Nov 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah he'll have a good day.
But so do all TE’s against us. Nothing new there haha :-/
I hope Nelson starts to get “it” soon. A good pass catching TE can be so important. I really, really hope Nelson can start to do something in our offense.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 10, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Will Maybin be active for any remaining games this year?
Not to take over this thread, but it is an interesting question, and the more we see him in street clothes on the sidelines, the more I think the Jills could probably use him for some of their mounts.
Now that we have Merriman for the rest of the season, unless there is an injury to Moats, Coleman or someone else, I don’t see Maybin getting any significant PT.
Well he is rich even if he is a wasted pick so maybe Hills and mounts and Maybin aren’t entirely south of place in a sentence. If you meant mounts in the cheerleader sense Maybin would probably spin move out of position and drop one of the Hills.
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by Ron From NM on Nov 10, 2010 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you meant mounts in the cheerleader sense
Hey now!
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 10, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
The first part was the quasi dirty part…
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by Ron From NM on Nov 10, 2010 4:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
merriman
got helped off the field 10 minutes into practice, his achilles is shot, he will never play a single down in a bills uniform. Do we really have to pay a guy who practiced for 10 minutes. And who the hell does these physicals, apparently the guy never should have made waivers with a bad achilles
by badnewsBills on Nov 10, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Captain Hindsight
I was one of those that wanted Pettigrew on the team, but when we took Maybin, I thought “well, it’s not like we Don’t need a DE, maybe he’s the next Bruce Smith?” Later, of course, he wasn’t there.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Nov 10, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions
Hahaha
“Captain Hindsight”
Yes we play all our games at 1 in the afternoon... but Id still like to see "Lights Out!" 8-)
Wake Up Sabres!!! Its officially "Go Time."
Should I get back in the chair...
…remove my powers and just go back to being a simple reporter?
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by NordicBillsfan on Nov 10, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I loved them taking a shot at LeBron.
That was awesome
Yes we play all our games at 1 in the afternoon... but Id still like to see "Lights Out!" 8-)
Wake Up Sabres!!! Its officially "Go Time."
So glad you guys got that:)
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Nov 11, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
If he was, would we have taken him? Think I’d rather have Wood, actually.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Nov 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST reply actions
nelson's td
probably the the best pass of Trent’s career, hopefully not the best td catch of nelson’s
Naw
best pass of trent’s career was the 4th and long he threaded to Josh Reed against the skins in the comebak win when Joe Gibbs was coach of the skins.
That was Tren’t best and gutsiest throw by far.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 10, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it was.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 11, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Pettigrew & Others
Orakpo, Cushing, Freeman, Pettigrew, Mack, Harvin, Oher, Matthews Jr. all taken after Maybin!!! Hindsight is a killer and we we all go crazy if we continue to think of “The woulda shoulda couldas”….We have Maybin and there is no take backs—-the Bills are stuck and if he wasn’t #1 he would have been cut long ago!
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Sad but true
if he wasn’t #1 he would have been cut long ago!
If Maybin had been taken in the fourth round, I doubt he would have made it out of camp this year.
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ORAKPO
we should have drafted Orakpo. period. Maybin was a bust from day one. He started a minimal amount of games at Penn State. Orakpo was a mchine in Texas.
Surprised it took this long for an Orakpo reference.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 10, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Whats the prize for
being the 1 millionth person to say the same thing? There has to be a prize right?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
You could easily argue.
That Oher was a MUCH better pick for Detroit than Pettigrew.
How much longer until Stafford develops David Carr syndrome?
He is getting the snot kicked out of him.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 10, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions
Detroit's offensive line
Gets way too much bad press. They’re actually third in the league for sacks allowed as a percentage of passing plays.
Well what’s the pressure stats then, a pressure and knockdown can be just as effective if not more so if you get hit hard enough.
Stafford has been beat up, Shaun Hill had a broken wrist.
When there is smoke there is fire, you can be low in sacks and be bottom in pressures and knockdowns, and when that is the case, the sacks stat is irrelevant.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 10, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
It's not irrelevent.
You haven’t seen Detroit play, apparently. They don’t allow their QBs to be on the floor that often.
Stafford has only played 3 games this year, the first game he played he was injured on a hit that would have taken out any QB in the league, bar none. Second game, he was sacked and pressured and no problem. Third game, he was taken out when he wasn’t even in the pocket.
Hill has a broken left forearm from an illegal cut during an un-called roughing the passer. Can’t do much about that.
You’re off base on the offensive line issue.
correct…i’d be a lot more worried about some possible shoulder instability problems with stafford than the offensive line. Some of the bigger hits i’ve seen him take have been on scrambles and such.
by quantumuprising on Nov 11, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
You know what is funny?
I was one of the few around here who said that the Bills should take Pettigrew at 11. I was told time and time again that he didn’t have the speed to stretch the field. You know because teams throw bombs to tight ends all the time, and speed is somehow a factor in how good or bad a tight end is in the NFL. I mean after all Pete Metzaaars was a real burner. Now all I see is people lamenting how we missed out…..now that is freaking funny.
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Sorry buddy. I was super hopeful they would take him. It’s the only time in recent memory that I remember being truly saddened when a guy came off the board.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 11, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, here he comes
Captain Hindsight himself, er, i mean, captain perfect. I mean, there’s is NO WAY anyone else on this site was smart enough to know how good Pettigrew would be, and want to draft him. Now all of us posers should be ashamed!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Nov 11, 2010 2:41 AM EST reply actions
It really didn’t take me long to find an example of what I was talking about. Here it is if you want don’t believe me.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Really?
And that proves that you were the only one that that wanted to draft the predicted best player at one of our need positions? Well la de da!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Nov 11, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
- First, I never said I was the only one. I said one of the few. It’s called reading comprehension, perhaps you should try obtaining some. Keysh was right there with me the whole time and I never said anything different.
- Second, What that does prove is that many were using Pettigrew’s lack of speed compared such players like Chase Coffman and Travis Beckum to say that he wasn’t that good of a player and there by not worthy of a high pick. Which is the reason I posted what i did. Beckum and Coffman aren’t exactly tearing it up in the NFL right now.
- Third, I argued for the better part of a month that Pettigrew would be a great player despite others questioning his speed. Now I have at least partial vindication of that. If you don’t like it, tough nuts.
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No you didn't
That “Proof” was fabricated.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Nov 11, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
How is the proof fabricated? He went back and found where he said Pettigrew was great. What bug is up your butt about this anyways? I wanted Pettigrew, too. I thought the Bills had a shot at him at 28. That’s why I wrote the article.
Seriously I don’t get what your issue is on this anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 11, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
You realize that it was timestamped in 2009, right?
Good Lord. Conspiracy theorist, much?
What the hell has happened to this place?
by Brian Galliford on Nov 12, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Clay Matthew is what could have been!
He was drafted later in the first round and has 10-1/2 sacks this year – Pettigrew – Please!!!!
When I think of the players the Bills missed on, Matthews, Brian Cushing and Michael Oher come to mind first and foremost – Then Orakpo.
There are plenty of Tight Ends taken in the later rounds, Antonio Gates for instance, who turn out to be pretty good.
When I think of the players the Bills missed on, Matthews, Brian Cushing and Michael Oher come to mind first and foremost – Then Orakpo.
So we shouldn’t talk about him?
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