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Buddy Nix Approval Poll: December 2010

At the start of every month, we're going to poll the readers of Buffalo Rumblings on their state of mind regarding the chief decision-makers of the Buffalo Bills. This is your poll to state your pleasure, or lack thereof, with GM Buddy Nix. Here are some stories Nix has been heavily involved with over the last month.

Previous approval polls
36% approval Hiring Date (30% disapproval)
73% approval February 2010 (5% disapproval)
79% approval April 2010 (4% disapproval)
76% approval May 2010 (7% disapproval)
77% approval August 2010 (6% disapproval)
77% approval September 2010 (5% disapproval)
27% approval October 2010 (49% disapproval)
55% approval November 2010 (23% disapproval)

Poll
Do you approve of the job that Buddy Nix is doing as general manager of the Buffalo Bills?
Approve
1631 votes
Disapprove
123 votes
Not Sure
359 votes

2113 votes | Poll has closed

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I am glad he claimed Merriman, even though he never got to play. It shows we are doing the best we can to make upgrades in positions that desprately need it.

He has my vote!

Is this your homework, Larry?

by Schooled You on Dec 1, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

O lineman, draft

The O-lineman he dug up? Wrotto, Urbik, etc…

Draft – Spiller still unknown, but Troup and Carrington are starting to contribute, as is Moats. We’ll really get to judge him next year when we see what Easley and Wang do.

by BillinNC on Dec 1, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Not to mention contributions from Nelson and Jones.

I was a little discouraged to see Carrington inactive so much, but after the Pitt game you can see progress there.

by Pistol on Dec 1, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

And Batten!

I really thought he would be able to contribute, especially on STs…

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by NorCal BillsFan on Dec 1, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Waived Cornell Green from Injured Reserve

i’ll approve on this alone, haha!!

seriously though – picking up Merriman (even though he is hurt, but he WAS healthy), dropping Green and the signing of some of these UDFA and practice squad players is really starting to pan out.

I always thought that you could tell a good talent evaluator by their later round picks and UDFA pickups and by that standard this first year has seen some quality players added to the Bills roster.

South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight

by J2 on Dec 1, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

It’s been one of the things I’ve been most impressed with. Is the systematic over turning of the roster. When it becomes apparent a guy doesn’t fit the system they begin looking for someone else to bring in, when they find that person they’re moving the player off the roster and bringing fresh players to the PS.

by aquias on Dec 1, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I always thought that you could tell a good talent evaluator by their later round picks and UDFA pickups

Owners and coaches have a lot of say and influence on early round picks. They tend to not care as much as the draft goes on. This is highly accurate, and shows that Nix, Modrak, and the scouting staff are very, very good at their craft.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

I had a dream the night after the first round. Buffalo traded for Tim Tebow. If Josh McDaniels gets fired for continued losing and cheating, it could happen.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 1, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

This is highly accurate, and shows that Nix, Modrak, and the scouting staff are very, very good at their craft.

Let’s not jump the gun, DJ. He’s had his job for 11 games, it’s too soon to say they’re “very, very, good.”

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by JPH on Dec 1, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The scouting staff hasn't changed in years.

Many of the scouts that had hands in uncovering Bills in the 90’s are still on the trail for the team.

Bad early round draft choices have little to do with the scouts. The scouts file reports, mostly digitally from their area, and don’t spend much time at all at RWS. They point out facts, and make some recommendations, but much beyond that is outside their scope.

For example, Brad Forsyth was a team scout in the early 90’s, initially starting out running the organization of the scouting records department and eventually working his was to being a road scout.

We don’t really know what the discussions were, but let’s take Aaron Maybin as an example. The scouting report talked about his strengths and weaknesses. Dick Jauron, Russ Brandon, and Tom Modrak could have completely known that Maybin was a project with high upside that needed time to develop. They made the decision, not the scout.

Later in the draft, where the GM, head coach, and director of scouting are less familiar with the players, the opinions of the scouts, who are at RWS for the draft, carry much more weight. That’s why you see the scouts discussing the players that the team drafts in the 5th through 7th rounds.

Players taken after the 3rd round are directly related to the talent of the scouting department. The same guys that are still with the team are the same guys who helped with late round picks and UDRFA’s like John Holecek, Darick Holmes, Dusty Ziegler, Jay Riesmersma, Jonathon Linton, Bryce Fisher, Sammy Morris, Kyle Williams, Brad Butler, Keith Ellison, Jason Peters, Jabari Greer, Stevie Johnson, and Demetrius Bell.

That’s a lot of talent for picks that carry no value and typical yield less than a 25% success ratio. I’ve been very concerned with the decision makers over the past decade, but never the scouts.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

I had a dream the night after the first round. Buffalo traded for Tim Tebow. If Josh McDaniels gets fired for continued losing and cheating, it could happen.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 1, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Totally agree

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by NorCal BillsFan on Dec 1, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

So what you are saying is

trade all 1s & 2s for rounds 3-7 and our drafting will improve? Interesting.

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by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Dec 2, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions  

It works for the Patriots (kind of).

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 2, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

NOT SURE

Only because I’m somewhere between approve and disapprove. I like that he’s out there scouting players already. I like that he waived Green but we shouldn’t have picked him up in the first place. I like the Ganther pick up…he seems to be running hard. Up in the air with the Merriman signing. If we don’t get a comp pick out of it, it’s an EPIC FAIL. The thing that really bugged me and this may all be rumor is he has talked to Whitner about a contract extension and not POZ. I wouldn’t mind keeping them both but if I definitely think we should lock up POZ before Donte.

by Calvin51 on Dec 1, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

I doubt we get a compensatory pick. I think we’re bound to pick up more FAs than we lose in the off-season since we’re still in rebuild mode. He also didn’t play for us and wherever he goes, he’s probably not going to play much. It just seems unlikely to me. Our best shot with him was getting him to play and develop a bound with the other guys on the defense and then giving him a slightly-above-market contract. I doubt any of that happens at this point (not that it matters much, I think).

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 1, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

O.K. in my book

Some random thoughts…

You’d think October was a pretty bad month for the franchise in Buffalo, huh…

Bills should get a compensatory draft pick for Merriman at the least, so it wasn’t a complete waste.

Gotta give Nix props for sticking to his game plan, and facing the music when things weren’t going well at all.

First time in a long while I have had hope for this team, and have enjoyed the last month in particular. Looking forward to great things from this team. Keep up the good work, Bills!

Show me the D, Buffalo!

by Blitz on Dec 1, 2010 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

I voted approve, but really only for one reason: in (very early) hindsight, Nix’s decision to NOT gut the team immediately, but to retain the vast majority of the 2009 team to do a season-long evaluation, looks like an incredibly astute decision. Where we go from here is obviously the big factor, but after a fairly slow off-season that didn’t see a ton of player acquisitions, particularly of the veteran variety, his strategy seems to be bearing more fruit than most of us would’ve anticipated.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

rec’d

South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight

by J2 on Dec 1, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

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by Joe P. on Dec 1, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

but not enough to vote approve.....still in the undecided group on Nix

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by Joe P. on Dec 1, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

can i ask WHY?

Why is it so astute if it wasn’t before, or was questionable?

The two players playing the best ball, perhaps, are Fitz and Fred. Those two were held back by a pair of players that should have been gone before the draft. How can that be a good thing? In the end, it wouldn’t have mattered any how, so I guess there’s that….

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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I, for one, never questioned their cautious approach to free agency. My only problem was their draft strategy, really. I took a wait-and-see approach on the gutting vs. retention thing, and I’ve seen enough to get behind Nix on that particular front.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't expect them to go nuts in FA either

Nor was there much out there anyhow. Its tough to commend him for being “cautious” though, since what other option was there really??

this offseason, assuming a new CBA is reached, is HUGE for Nix and the Bills. They can’t have another shaky draft (to be kind) and really need to find a few capable players in FA if possible. The biggest need is a strong draft, while he continues to weed out players that shouldn’t be here.

~K
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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I would say you could commend him for being “cautious” simply by not drafting LT & QB #1 and #2 in the draft (or vice versa).

Many had Clausen or a LT going to us in the 1st. By not doing so, Nix took a wait and see approach on gutting vs. retention. Thereby providing more time to evaluate young players currently on the roster (Bell, Fitzy and even Trent in that discussion).

I voted “approve” based almost exactly on Galliford’s sentiments above. As well as the active approach toward signing free agent castoffs.

by DJ O on Dec 1, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

They can’t have another shaky draft (to be kind)

How is calling a draft “shaky” after 11 games “kind?” How is anything but premature?

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by JPH on Dec 1, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

edit:how is it anything but premature?

"I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee. And specifically, not a Buffalo Bill."
-Joe Dimaggio

by JPH on Dec 1, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The two players playing the best ball, perhaps, are Fitz and Fred

Thats being selective. Kyle Williams and Stevie Johnson are arguably the two best players right now. And they weren’t held back.

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by poz on Dec 1, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Meatball

Meatball by a noodle!

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by buffalobacker on Dec 2, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Brian,

But I have a hard time giving him credit for basically doing nothing… And what he has done through FA and the draft has simply not panned out (see Green, Merriman and any of his draft picks so far)

"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards

"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix

by Jason from OH-IO on Dec 1, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But our team has been competitive in my opinion. His moves aren’t immune to their risks, all in all he did well considering what/who was available to add to roster. OBD stated they weren’t gonna be active in FA, well did alright IMHO, considering the circumstances.

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by buffalobacker on Dec 2, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted disapprove.

One reason and one reason alone: Shawne Merriman. It was a mistake from the start, given his injury history. Now that they’re on the hook to pay him for contributing nothing…not something I hope they make a habit of when going after other players.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

I voted disapprove too...

but feel exactly the opposite about Merriman. Finally he made a move for a character player who could provide leadership. It went bust, sometimes you gamble and lose.

My vote remains disapprove, besides Merriman all else was minor. The mistakes for this year are already in the bank. My vote will stay disapprove until after next free agency period and 2011 draft.

by Rick A on Dec 1, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that, which is why I went not sure. Because he has done some good things. He definitely seems to have a much better handle on the “unknowns” vs. the “knowns” as far as player evaluation. I still do not get the Merriman thing. Those that approve of that move must’ve really seen something great in those whole 15 minutes of practice before he went out. Same with Corny Green. Yes, he got cut. But as someone else said, why pick him up in the first place?

by billskk69 on Dec 1, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don’t see how this was anything but a no-lose situation. We lost nothing by him not playing, except his tiny pro-rated salary.

by stetzwebs on Dec 2, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted yes.

Hes getting the right players for this team. After a 2-2 November I think we can finally start to see this team turn the corner… and Nix helped that. He brought in Merriman, obviously he didnt, and wont play for us (this year potentially) … but I do think that having a guy like Shawne Merriman on the sidelines is a positive. Idk if thats the case with him on the IR now… but when he was down there the last few games he seemed to be helping out the younger OLB’s.

Also he let Green go… thats a huuge plus.

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by bflo on Dec 1, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

I doubt you will ever see Shawn Merriman play in a Bills’ gameday uniform. It’s an embarrassing situation they got themselves into.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure why you, or anyone else, would be embarrassed by that. I haven’t seen a single person kill the Bills for the move.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I look at injuries a certain way. they are so tough to blast a team for. he passed his physical he was healthy and then he got hurt again.

we could have easily signed a player who has been very healthy throughout their career but then get injured into practice.

it’s really something that cannot be controlled

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by J2 on Dec 1, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Me either

In fact, in my eyes, it was a pretty shrewd move. It prevented anyone else from getting him at least. Also, it’s a no-lose situation. I’m not sure what Afghan is so against it, when it cost us almost nothing, and Nix has not made a habit of doing it, either.

by stetzwebs on Dec 1, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not embarrassed. I can’t help but think it’s a bit embarrassing as an organization to take a guy and pay him all while a still apparent injury wasn’t revealed.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think this Bills regime is that thin-skinned, to be honest.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably not. A decade of what they’ve been will make anyone immune to the chatter.

Still find the move to be pretty stupid. He’s known at the ‘roid injury guy now, not the lights out guy.. Not the type of guy i’d bring in to shore up my problems at LB. Originally I thought it was an okay move, but that was the fan in me thinking this guy might be the OG version. Then I realized there’s really no upside to his game now.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I also don’t think Buddy Nix brought Merriman in with the idea that his work was done at OLB.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen a single person kill the Bills for the move.

Well, there is this rather professional kill:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/22336/shawne-merriman-wont-play-for-buffalo

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s a rather gentle “kill”.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

It is interesting to me that i’m the only one here who vocally disapproves of their gamble on Merriman. I don’t care, I know how to hoist my own sails in open water.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Merriman

Your not alone in your boat dude, I would’ve passed on Merriman as well. To much injury/steriod history. Not real sure Merriman wanted to be here anyways. Kinda feel like Merriman used Bills, weird how he so easily re-injured himself. Like just standing around and he gets hurt, wow!

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by buffalobacker on Dec 1, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I didn’t take offense, and I despise Tim Graham as a blogger.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Dec 1, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Please don’t take my noting it as something I find offensive. I’m not offended by the move. I was waiting for it to happen. We all knew that it was more than a possibility he’d get hurt, just didn’t know it would come during a walk-thru.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

We all knew that it was more than a possibility he’d get hurt, just didn’t know it would come during a walk-thru.

But isn’t that the perfect Buffalo Bills way for it to happen? lol

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Dec 1, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It is. I said at the time that it couldn’t have been scripted any better. It was bound to happen once he hopped on that plane.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t take offense, and I despise Tim Graham as a blogger.

While I completely disagree with Graham on his high opinion of Mark Sanchez, I do think a lot of his work is pretty good.

That said, and back to the OP, I support getting Merriman. At the least, our players like Moats and Maybin may have been able to glean a little info on how to play their position from someone who has actually done it with success.

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by NordicBillsfan on Dec 1, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I have. The guys on my local sports stations were referring to the Bills as either “idiots” or “morons.” I can’t recall the exact derogatory comment. But I do remember feeling rather embarassed. And what was worse was I couldn’t think of a good reason to defend them.

by billskk69 on Dec 1, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t get it… The Bills took a shot on a former pro bowl player.

What it cost them? Was the players salary. I’m certain Ralph is less than pleased but from an organizational outlook I cannot see why or how they should be embarrassed that they took a shot.

by aquias on Dec 1, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

You have to at least try to get better…if Merriman could stay healthy and contribute, the move is worth it. It didn’t work, move on and try something else. IMO, it was a no-lose situation. The Bills get a playmaking OLB or they don’t. The money spent is worth taking the shot at getting better at a position of weakness.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Dec 1, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted Disapprove.....

Buddy has mad alot of mistakes from the signing of Cornell Green, to the draft with hasn’t panned out very well and the signing of merriman. Although I will give him credit he is quick to realize the mistakes he makes and tries to fix them not very successful but he tries to fix them, I bilieve the only reason wher not killing him for his moves is because Chan Gailey is coaching this team up

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by Moe_frm_B_ on Dec 1, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

well said...add your comments to Brian's and that basically sums up why I voted "not sure"

If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM

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by Joe P. on Dec 1, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted approve

Merriman was a low risk, high reward investment. No lost draft picks. If Merriman was healthy and became the Merriman of old, Buffalo tags him and fills a need. Again, low risk, high reward.

I really like that Nix went to Stanford to scout Luck. A while back I surmised that Nix might be taking lessons learned from his San Diego days and using them in Buffalo. Drafting Luck would be right in line with this.

Scouting Luck is doing due dilligence, but is could mean more. Buffalo will likely not pick first. What if Nix is willing to work the Rivers-Manning trade, this time in reverse? Buffalo sends a package to the first overall selecting team for the first pick, and takes Luck. Now Buffalo has Fitzpatrick as the starter with Luck as the back-up and QB of the future.

Looks a lot like the Brees/Rivers situtation.

Even if that’s not even close, at least Nix is looking at the situation in terms of BPA, again.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

I had a dream the night after the first round. Buffalo traded for Tim Tebow. If Josh McDaniels gets fired for continued losing and cheating, it could happen.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 1, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I’ve thought the same thing about them moving up in the draft. I think the problem becomes how they leapfrog Arizona. My oh my that team is a hot mess at QB. They have a fair amount of resources tied up in WR and continuing on with any of those QBs is not going to get it done there. I think they’re the team that will land Luck.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

They don’t leapfrog Arizona. They just hope and pray Arizona doesn’t leapfrog us. They still have more wins than we do.

by Schrims on Dec 1, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Still, I don’t see the Bills finishing worst, so if someone wants that 1st pick, they’re able to swing a deal. Indy could try and swing one if they really wanted to get Luck.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

We could try to swing a deal too. You never really know what goes on in those war rooms. I’m just taking a let’s wait and see approach because there’s a lot of football left to play and there’s still way too many variables to figure out. Who’ll get the first pick, who’ll get the second pick, will Luck even come out, will there be a lockout, etc.

by Schrims on Dec 1, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh right. I just think a team like Arizona is going to do whatever it takes to get that QB. The Bills appear (on the surface at least) to have some sort of solution to that mystery. Hey, maybe the Cardinals come calling for Brian Brohm? But in reality, I think they might do whatever it takes to get Luck, despite Hall and Skelton being drafted last year. Larry Fitzgerald is tempting partial bait for any team.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

But you really can’t use the fact that the Cards have a ‘fair amount of resources’ tied up in WR to justify them jumping us to get a QB, then toss out there that they can use Larry as trade bait…

If they jump us to get a QB, it’ll be so Larry Fitz can be utilized better. Not jump us to get a QB and trade the player they most want that QB to work with.

by aquias on Dec 1, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I can and I did. =)

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love the Bills to use the threat of drafting a QB to their advantage to let another team trade up and stockpile late first and second round picks.

by stetzwebs on Dec 1, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

rec

I know next to nothing about college scouting and the QBs in college. But what I do know is that Andrew Luck could be the answer that every Bills fan has been hoping for since 1996. With the way Nix has handled the UDFA, and late round picks I have ZERO issue with packaging a high round deal for Luck.

by BillsfanDan on Dec 1, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm

I wonder, would next years first round pick be enough to move up?

If so I would do that in a heartbeat.

by perkispower on Dec 1, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I would deal 2011 and 2012 firsts, plus a third rounder in either year, for the first pick.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

I had a dream the night after the first round. Buffalo traded for Tim Tebow. If Josh McDaniels gets fired for continued losing and cheating, it could happen.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 1, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

On second thought...

Despite my usual adversion to trading up, I would do this if it were the price. In spite of (or perhaps because of) the hype, Luck is really the only QB prospect I’ve ever felt100% sure about.

It seems that many teams have been less than thrilled about picking at #1 overall in recent years. Alot depends on who is in charge of Carolina in April, but that could potentially lower the price slightly. Color me optimistic.

by perkispower on Dec 1, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

For us to move up and get Andrew Luck you can bet it will include trading Ryan Fitzpatrick.

If that is the teams main goal, to get Andrew Luck, then I would agree with packaging Ryan Fitzpatrick. I am just not sure that this is the best way to rebuild in year two. Andrew Luck is not a QB that sits for a year or two to learn, he goes first he plays day one. We don’t want and Chan doesn’t want a Denever Bronco scenerio here. You don’t trade up in the first round to sit a player for a year or two. Fitzpatrick could be the carrot for such a move.

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by VanScottM on Dec 1, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I really really really doubt that

No team is going to trade out of the top spot while making sure they get Fitz in the deal.

Why would Luck have to play from day 1??? Recent rookie QB’s to start right away did so because they were far and away the best option for their teams. Luck wouldn’t necessarily be that in Buffalo, nor would he NEED to play right away.

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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Then why make the deal to move up to get him. When we could improve the team in other areas.

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by VanScottM on Dec 1, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

To get a franchise QB would be the hope

Its not like they’d be making the move to improve QB depth….

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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ditto what K said

Why not sit Luck? Rivers was fairly ready from college, and so was Rodgers. Sitting probably made them better. They’d eventually take over a rebuilt team and be in a better position to win. GB and SD have chosen that model and it’s worked very well for them.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

I had a dream the night after the first round. Buffalo traded for Tim Tebow. If Josh McDaniels gets fired for continued losing and cheating, it could happen.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 1, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And we’re dealing with a couple of old school men in Nix and Gailey. Luck would sit for at least one year, mabye more under Gailey.

And for their first pick in the 2011 draft the Buffalo Bills select ...........

by Enigma3 on Dec 1, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

the only way we have a prayer of prying luck from the hands of the #1 pick team is if that team doesn’t need a quarterback. In that case, they wouldnt want fitz.

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by JPH on Dec 1, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Just for example

I think Indy would take Fitz. They NEED a good backup. There are several other teams that would love to have him backing up the #1 (including many of the Bills’ fans).

by stetzwebs on Dec 1, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But why wouldn't Nix scout Luck???

He’d be a buffoon not to.

I wouldn’t mind a move up…at all. That’s assuming we still pick in the top 5 and are willing to give up our 2nd rounder and probably next year’s 1st or 2nd. That’s what NY gave up to get Eli. Hopefully Carolina would want Jake Locker after a trade or sticks with Clausen to improve the odds of something like this happening. I could see AZ really going hard after a deal like that too….

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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

That was the thought behind the “due dilligence.”

The trade would likely be about 1300 points (or less), according to the chart. Carolina would want more. I’d do 2011 and 2012 firsts, with maybe a 3rd in either year thrown in.

And I’d do that without hesitation.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

I had a dream the night after the first round. Buffalo traded for Tim Tebow. If Josh McDaniels gets fired for continued losing and cheating, it could happen.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 1, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Throw the point chart out the window

When the top pick and a franchise QB are involved, a really sweet offer has to be made.

If the Bills can get Luck for two 1st’s and this years 3rd, they have to be all over that. I would expect it to be more with Arizona, Cincinnati, and maybe Oakland/SF getting involved too, potentially drive the price up. Carolina might have no interest in trading him either….

~K
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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The point chart is still valid as a departure point for any dealings

I predict that Buffalo finishes no lower than 5th, where the 5th pick has 1700 points. So they need 1300 points to get to the first pick, which is worth 3000.

If they traded next years first round pick, that could be valued in the top ten, which would be roughly 1200 or better. 300 points for a 3rd rounder, and Buffalo offers 3200 points for a 3000 value pick.

I would personally start the offer with 2 firsts, seeing if it would work, fully intending to offer the 3rd round pick if I had to. From there, Nix would have to evaluate counteroffers, etc.

Starting the official Buffalo "Draft Owen Marecic in 2011" campaign.

I had a dream the night after the first round. Buffalo traded for Tim Tebow. If Josh McDaniels gets fired for continued losing and cheating, it could happen.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 1, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

For Andrew Luck? Without hesitation.

And for their first pick in the 2011 draft the Buffalo Bills select ...........

by Enigma3 on Dec 1, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Approve

I mean the Merriman move was a flyer, it didn’t work out, no biggie. Green is now gone, Ganther has been ok in limited action,Wrotto is looking like a decent pick up. Urbik,Carrington, and Moats are all looking like they might be solid contributors down the road. Heck even Kelsay has made a few plays.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Dec 1, 2010 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

Oh and one other thing that causes me to disapprove:

I still find the Spiller pick puzzling. Sure, it makes more sense now with Lynch gone, but he’s received no playing incentive from less competition. They need to find a way to make Spiller a full-time player.

He’s not a solid contributor at a position where you expect them to come in right away and produce.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

I still maintain

That the Bills knew this was a lost season Wins wise and are protecting him to an extent.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Dec 1, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel the same way too actually. Why not protect our assets for when we need them most. I dont have a problem with keeping him out an extra week or not using him to the full extent.

We know he is an explosive player and a great RB, why not keep the mileage off him until it is useful?

by BillsfanDan on Dec 1, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I seriously doubt any team would draft a RB and shelf him for the season because it was a “down” one.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It makes a certain amount of sense

When considering the lack of career longevity for most Running Backs.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Dec 1, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

See, it makes absolutely no sense to me. That would mean the team essentially forfeited the use of their 1st-round pick for the year. That’s a bad move in my opinion.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I understand your view point

It’s just that I don’t mind sitting a 1st rounder till were more competitive. Especially a guy who could be a potential game breaker like Spiller.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Dec 1, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you factor this scenrio then.

Drafted Aaron Maybin and he has given us nothing for two years. bad move. Draft Andrew Luck to either learn behind Fitz ie…bad move or start in place of Fitz. How does this benifit us unless Luck starts day one and Fitz is traded. Now where does the risk factor fall in a good move Vs bad move scenerio..

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by VanScottM on Dec 1, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Your example is definitely one of those examples where waiting is preferred most times. Notice I said “RB” in my original comment on this subject. Yes, if they took a QB you could perceive not using him as not using their pick – but there is a difference. An unfair difference in this case. =)

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s different because Maybin’s inability to find the field means that he’s probably never going to be good. If Maybin were to crack the starting lineup next year and start racking up double digit sack seasons wouldn’t the Maybin pick be a good one? Wouldn’t people look back and say that the team stunk during Maybin’s first couple seasons anyways and was playing well when the rest of the team was good enough for it to matter?

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by kaisertown on Dec 1, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

All would be forgiven if Maybin becomes a good LB…fans only care about recent play. Just look at the flak Lee Evans gets now. I never thought I would hear people say some of the things they have said about Lee. The guy has a been a standout player his whole time here, held back by the incompetent coaching and poor QB play; and he has a down year and the fans seem to forget his talent.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Dec 2, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

My point is

talent is nice but production creates the fans elation…past mistakes and bad play are forgiven.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Dec 2, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps the way I wrote it sounds a bit unlikely

But also take note that the Jets are doing the same thing on a small, one year, scale. The first half of the season was all Tomlinson. And it helps tremendously that he was on fire in the beginning of the season. And watch for Shonn Greene to get a ton more carries at the end of the season into the playoffs.

Bottom line is, I wouldnt be surprised if this is what Gailey is doing. And while I would like to see more of Spiller, I dont mind that Spiller doesn’t have a season of NFL tackling under his belt in a 2 win season.

by BillsfanDan on Dec 1, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt he is doing it intentionally...

but I wouldn’t want a shiny new toy like Spiller (who isn’t even really ready for the #1 role anyway) getting all scratched up before I can even play with it when it matters.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Dec 2, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope not. I really hope not. If they knew it was a lost season, then it would have been worthwhile getting something out of Maybin, either in the form of experience or in a trade.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Maybin is going to see more playing time

These last few weeks. And heres the thing about Maybin. If we run a 4-3 he would fit somewhere different then he would if we ran a 3-4. I believe this hybrid defense actually hurts him more than most other players. In that he’s young and inexperienced, why have him on the field playing a position he may not be at next season.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Dec 1, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so. No matter how much he may not be able to do, I still want to see him given every opportunity to do so on the field.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 1, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

With Torbor out for the next few weeks, maybe Maybin will get some PT.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Dec 2, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

ill stick to what i said 6 months ago

Doin a fine job changin the culture.

Winning is expected.

Makin moves all the time with personnel, gassing the failures real quick.

Buddy sticks to his words, someone us fans can trust.

No matter who is the ruler of the land, everyone will never agree on everything but what I will ask is…. What more could we ask for? These games are close, and entertaining. I don’t remember games bein this fun since flutie.

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That was a long time ago : (
What more could we ask for? These games are close, and entertaining. I don’t remember games bein this fun since flutie.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Dec 2, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted approve for Gailey

Because the team has really improved while his offense is actually pretty solid. There’s not much more that I would have asked of him for the season. I question his crunch time play calling a bit and why he seems to abandon the run at times, but overall, I’m down with the improvement and what appears to be a good foundation he’s establishing.

Nix, on the other hand, still gets the “Not Sure” from me. I’m still unsure that he actually has a plan and even though the OL is playing better, its still poor and wasn’t managed well in the offseason, IMO. I still don’t agree with his draft strategy and its looking like an iffy class, at best.

I like some of the pickups he’s made during the season, and thought Merriman was worth the risk. His activity during the season has been good; hopefully guys like Wrotto, Urbik and any of the PS additions can contribute in the future.

As I’ve said, this offseason is HUGE for Nix. He needs to be active, whether its in FA, via trade and the draft, but also needs to be really productive. It’ll be a big offseason if this team is going to take a big step forward next year.

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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 1:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions   4 recs

I still don’t agree with his draft strategy and its looking like an iffy class, at best.

i’m actually excited to see how troup and carrington improve after being in the league for 2/3 years

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by J2 on Dec 1, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I completely agree with every point you just made there and I voted the exact same as you did. Rec’d.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 1, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

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by Joe P. on Dec 1, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted “disapprove”. If there were five options with strongly approve and strongly disapprove added in, I would have voted strongly disapprove.

I feel like the Bills’ near success is leading people to think that Buddy Nix is doing a good job, but what exactly has Nix added that is contributing?

I believe that it was a Nix decision to run the 3-4. I think that’s been his plan all along. I think it was a really bad decision and now Buffalo is stuck with a tweener roster. They’ve got Kyle Williams who is worlds better as a fit in a one gap scheme. He can play NT here in Buffalo, but they’ll have to run a 3-4 over or ask more of their LBs because they will be asking less of Williams so that he can make plays. They could always stick with the 4-3 where Williams works best and where the Chris Kelsay signing wouldn’t be a laughably poor decision. But that’s probably not what this organization is going to do. It looks like they’re committed to running a 3-4 and I think that’s a Nix thing.

Dwan Edwards was a great FA signing. It was smart to try and add one long term piece in FA and Edwards was the perfect fit. I thought the Bills did fine in FA despite the disaster that was the Cornell Green move. But FA only adds one contributer in Edwards with Davis being decent and then struggling with injuries.

In season FA is mostly scrap heap types. I’m not going to give a GM credit for guys like Ayodele, Martin or Wrotto. Every team makes those moves. With players like Scott, Chris Draft and Michael Gaines, Buffalo has had that kind of success in pulling decent guys off the street before. I’m not sure why Nix gets credit for revamping the depth of the OL. Is it really better than it was the last few seasons? Urbik could prove to be a good move, but are Howard, Wang and Wrotto really any better than guys who fans were optimistic about in the past like Jamon Meredith or vet types like Jon Scott? They spent a couple of late round picks on the line, they should have revamped depth, I just don’t think it’s any better.

I don’t understand why Nix gets credit for the Merriman signing. It’s like giving some lower middle class working type credit for buying a lottery ticket every week. It never had a chance of working. I think he’s going to struggle to get an actual contract next year and then struggle to make a roster.

The CJ Spiller selection is even more of a head scratcher today than it was on draft day. It feels like the BPA argument doesn’t work anymore. I still think he’s going to be a great player, but he wasn’t some generational talent that couldn’t be passed on. If he was Chris Johnson, we would have seen more than we have. He wasn’t some obvious BPA choice and I’m not exactly sure what his role is on this team. He’s not even the best kick returner on the roster.

Troup has been mediocre. Carrington (who I really believe in) has struggled to find PT. Moats has shown some flashes, but he’s averaging maybe one tackle per game on defense. Biggest rookie contributer has been David Nelson. I didn’t think it was a good draft at the time and I think it looks even worse now. Just adding some good players in the draft isn’t good enough. Things are relative, so improving the team really isn’t improving the team if other teams are also getting better in the draft. You need to out-draft other teams, not find a couple WRs after the draft.

I really think the Bills offseason looks terrible in hindsight. The Kelsay signing is a complete joke if this team wants to run the 3-4. Almost every single player that has been a factor in the Bills being as exciting as they’ve been was already on the roster.

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by kaisertown on Dec 1, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

how do we have all tweeners?

We drafted a NT and brought in guys who played 3-4 (Torbor, Aikin), and drafted Carrington.

The draft: Spiller has yet to contribute, yes, but has had little chance to do so and will be a much bigger part next year. Carrington got his first extensive playing time last week and got a sack. Troup has looked ok and had good pressure last week. If you look around the league, only a few rookies have stood out, and they were pick 1 and 2.

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by billsoferie on Dec 1, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant that the roster in general is all over the place in regards to the 3-4 vs. the 4-3. I think Carrington fits either scheme, but in a 4-3, he only fits at Kelsay’s left side and the Bills extended him. Edwards works in any scheme, but has much more value in a 3-4 which is the polar opposite of Williams. I think Batten is a pure 3-4 player unless the Bills start a DE at the SAM spot in a 4-3. Troup is just another guy if he’s not handling two gaps and doing it well. Can Moats play OLB in a 4-3? Can he play any position in a 3-4 other than WLB? I just don’t see how it’s all supposed to fit together. People always talk about how Nix has a plan, but I don’t see that plan. I think people say he has a plan on good faith and not because one is apparent.

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by kaisertown on Dec 2, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Some of this seems a little (but not overly) sensationalistic, kaiser – like Spiller not being the best kick returner on the team, for instance. (It’s pretty cut and dry that he is.) I get the general points you’re making, though.

I addressed this in an earlier comment, and I believe it’s worth re-addressing since you brought it back up:

Almost every single player that has been a factor in the Bills being as exciting as they’ve been was already on the roster.

That can be taken as a GOOD thing. Again – Nix has come out and said that he actively decided to keep most of the roster intact to take his time in evaluating those guys and making sure he didn’t jettison good players. Even if you don’t agree with that strategy, and would rather have seen him gut the roster immediately, the fact that it’s working out to some degree (Fitz, Stevie, D-Bell, Kyle, maybe even Whitner) is at least worth mentioning as a positive. It’s only fair.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't think some of the optimism recently has been sensationalistic?

If so, I haven’t seen you make that comment….just saying

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by StroudFanClub on Dec 1, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

How is it cut and dry

That Spiller is a better KR than Leo? Other than the return against NE where he actually looked decisive and fast, he’s been tentative, fumble-prone and jittery. I like Leo’s get it and go mantra, and he looks so much more confident and decisive returning kicks to me. I’m more confident in his ability to create a big return.

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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Take out that TD, and Spiller and McKelvin have almost exactly the same return average on the season.

You may be more confident in McKelvin’s ability to create a big return, but I’m much more confident in Spiller’s ability to catch, and then hold onto, the freaking ball.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Catching it, yes

I have the same little faith that Spiller can hold onto the ball consistently, though. Neither guy strikes me as overly reliable in that regard. I just think Leo’s decisiveness trumps whatever Spiler does. I certainly don’t think its anywhere near cut and dry that Spiller or Leo is better than the other.

Good problem to have though….

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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 3:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I imagine I’m not the only one that’s wished that Donald Jones was our returner over the past couple of weeks. The games are tense enough!

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The fumbles are a fair point. I hadn’t considered them. I was thinking more along the lines of K and watching those first few steps of each return. I think McKelvin is the more aggressive player and looks like the more explosive one because of it. Not that it means much, but I’ve heard Paul Hamilton say on WGR that he thinks that McKelvin is the better kick returner and that the NFL people who he has discussed with are split.

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by kaisertown on Dec 2, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if you don’t agree with that strategy, and would rather have seen him gut the roster immediately, the fact that it’s working out to some degree

I like the strategy, but I still think it’s being employed poorly.

They didn’t add a QB, but they didn’t exactly go out of their way to give each QB a chance. It seemed like they had decided on Edwards starting before camp even started.

Who on offense has really benefited from the evaluation strategy? Roscoe Parrish is the only obvious one to me. If Buffalo had drafted an LT in the first round, I’ve got a hard time thinking that they wouldn’t be playing RT right now while Bell starts at LT. It’s not as if Buffalo was going to start cutting players like Bell in the middle of their rookie contracts. They cleared the path for Steve Johnson by not signing a vet, but I don’t want to give them too much credit for addressing other positions over WR. Lynch ended up being traded like many of us said he would. Trent ended up flopping like many of us said he would. If Fitz really is this good, then he would have had no problem beating out a rookie for PT and Buffalo would have figured out that he’s legitimately starting quality in a real offense.

On defense, I think the Bills have done a terrible job at trying to evaluate the players. They need to pick a strategy and run with it. Either be the Steelers and pick a scheme, draft players that fit that scheme like a glove and find athletes that other teams have passed over to groom for specific jobs in the constant that is the Dick LeBeau defense. Or evaluate what you’ve got and come up with a scheme to fit your players. Change your D a little every year based on your strengths and weaknesses.

The Bills had a roster that fit the 4-3 and then they go out and draft for the 3-4. And then they switch to the 3-4 and then back to the 4-3. They resign Kelsay while they’re still running a 3-4 and then he starts to play better when they have him put a hand on the ground. I actually wanted a low turnover offseason because I’m not a big FA guy. I wanted Buffalo to just let contracts start to run out and to draft their own guys. So, I like the philosophy that you’re talking about, I just don’t see Buffalo actually doing that. I see a team that’s trying to win in the near future and I don’t think they know how they’re going to do it yet.

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by kaisertown on Dec 2, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I mostly agree

Though I don’t strongly disapprove…at least yet. He’s certainly closer to disapprove than approve to me.

I think the draft is going to haunt Nix. I really dislike the Spiller pick even more after watching him tapdance and show no ability to break tackles. I still don’t believe he has elite game speed, but I digress. Troup and Carrington might become solid players, but there’s little upside in those guys and they were pure 3-4 picks. If they don’t stick with that scheme, then those were wasteful picks. The top 3 picks, to me, all look like solid players, but not much more. Hope I’m wrong.

No matter what scheme is played, the Kelsay signing is bad. A few solid games doesn’t erase all the terrible play, lack of upside and athleticism.

I don’t know if the past offseason was terrible, but it certainly puts pressure on Nix to have a very strong one this year.

I totally agree that Nix shouldn’t be getting much, if any, credit for the players who are currently producing. None of them were his guys outside of maybe Nelson.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2010 2:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

It does seem a little strange to get credit for players currently producing from the last regime...

like other new GMs always just start cutting young up and coming players like Stevie Johnson, D Bell, Kyle Williams, Whitner….sure, maybe other new GMs would have made more acquisitions to try to upgrade those positions instead of a few of these guys….but I don’t think the fact that we pretty much tanked this season to evaluate current players and thankfully some of them started to show improvement….I don’t think that is to be commended. More like the minimal good that could come out of tanking an entire season to evaluate current players….no? How do we know players brought in to compete with these guys wouldn’t have made them even better?

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by StroudFanClub on Dec 1, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That would, indeed, be the opposite argument. But there is an argument, and I think a pretty good one, there.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 1, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

How do we know players brought in to compete with these guys wouldn’t have made them even better?

Realistically, who would you have brought in? We were not a desirable destination. heck the only reason we got Edwards is because he failed 2 other teams physicals.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Dec 1, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point...another reason why Buddy Nix shouldn't get credit for these guys playing well

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by StroudFanClub on Dec 1, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

wait.

the fact that he had the courage to hire a guy who two teams felt wasn’t healthy means he doesnt deserve credit for that guy’s success?

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by JPH on Dec 1, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

No matter what scheme is played, the Kelsay signing is bad. A few solid games doesn’t erase all the terrible play, lack of upside and athleticism.

I agree. But even you have to admit the guy is much better with a hand on the ground. He goes from one of the couple worst starters at his position in the whole NFL at OLB to a passable, but overpaid player at DE. People tried to argue that Buffalo signed Kelsay because they love his intangibles and that theory would have made more sense if Buffalo was playing a 4-3 where Kelsay was bad instead of being pathetic at OLB.

SFC: Were you excited about Clausen dropping to the Bills pick? Or did you have a feeling that the Bills wouldn’t pick him anyway?
Galliford: Both, like when that hot chick waves at someone she knows standing behind you.

by kaisertown on Dec 2, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of the stuff in this post, but I think to throw the change to a 3-4 solely at the feet of Nix is a bit unfair. Chan has a strong tie to this type of defense in his coaching tree (Reeves and Cowher). So one would assume in his head coaching gig he would want to have this be his defense. I know people don’t want to hear this, but give the 3-4 time. I think this is a great draft for 3-4 talent, and as a result would like to hold judgment on the switch. Also, I don’t think you have to worry about Williams being a better fit in 1 gap schemes and as a result the team running a 3-4 over so he can attack more. Edwards, a protege of Saban, likes to switch gap responsibility across the D-line often. You will see some D-linemen 2 gap sometimes and others will 1 gap. This will alternate regardless of down and personnel. Personally, I think Edwards will be a great hire for us when its all said and done. However, with that being said I agree with the signing of Kelsay being maddening, at best Kelsay can be a serviceable stack (meaning he clogs the offenses point of attack) LB. Currently, there is no stack LB making this much money in the NFL. Being a small market we can’t afford to overpay for talent.

Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!

by Mr S on Dec 1, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted approve. But, I think though, for a GM, you need to take a long view. Don’t most people say that it takes 3 or so years to really evaluate a draft class? So, I’d say check back in 2013 when taking a look at this past April’s draft class. As far as free agency, he had some hits and some misses. He let TO walk which opened up an opportunity to let Johnson play. Dwan Edwards was a great signing. On the other hand, he did sign Green. But I’m willing to give Nix a pass in free agency. You win some and you lose some and he’s stated before he was going to build this team through the draft. I think he’s willing to roll the dice to help the team when there is little risk. I doesn’t bother me that the Merriman signing has been a bust. He tried to sign someone that could have been a great addition.
 Mostly, though I voted approve because this team just looks better. I’d take this team over a 7-9 Dick Jauron team any day of the week. I’m convinced this team is headed in the right direction.

by WestCoastBills on Dec 1, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

After voting approve in all the previous polls

I went with a not sure this time based simply on the fact that the likes of Poz and Whitner have not been resigned yet. I have read that this is because the CBA has not been agreed yet, but is this relevant? They are the best we have at their positions and if we lose them in free agency that is two more holes to fill, by not showing loyalty now we risk either annoying them and they leave or paying a lot more to sooth their hurt feelings. Also the lack of a CBA did not stop him resigning Kelsay etc.

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by gregeng on Dec 1, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

I voted approved

….and I’m not going to nitpick every signing or non-signing that he’s made because in my mind that’s all it is…nitpicking. There is not a GM past, present or future that hasn’t or will not make a mistake or error in judgment /evaluation of a player. My vote is based on is he trying to make this team better and does he have a plan…and I answer yes to both. There were some things I didn’t agree with or didn’t understand (eg. Kelsay’s extension) but later on, I could understand what he’s doing. Over the past 10 years, the GM’s never had a plan, it was just a patchwork job of just filling holes. If for anything, people should approve of NIx for his 1st hire, Chan Gailey, which brought hope to a team that was hopeless. I can’t remember so many players signed to the practice squad…it’s like a turnstile now that Rumblings can’t even keep up. Yeah they may be cheap and undrafted but everyone knows just because you wasn’t drafted doesn’t mean you’re not talented or you can’t play. Those guys will probably play with more heart, passion and character than some of these other egomaniacs playing. So yes, I approve of Nix’s effort in trying pump blood back into our team….by any means necessary.

by blknites on Dec 1, 2010 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

it seems more and more likely to me that Buddy and Chan are good football minds and talent evaluators who just weren’t engaged in the league’s personnel or in last year’s draft class. I know Buddy was on the payroll last year, but neither guy was intimately involved in the league last year. That is why I think they made so few longterm commitments this offseason. Even Spiller isn’t a longterm commitment in that he really doesn’t keep them from bringing in another running back (we need 2 and freddy isn’t young) down the road. I would bet that spending a year with their ears to the floor (or some better euphemism for paying attention), they will be much more aggressive in pursuing longterm fixes and major roster overhaul this offseason.

that’s what I’m hoping for, anyway. I voted approve, mostly because Buddy’s Bills are my favorite team since Drew Bledsoe left.

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by JPH on Dec 1, 2010 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

Am I missing something?

I still don’t see that Nix has really accomplished anything in terms of adding talent to oru roster and this past month he has made an epic failure in getting damaged goods in Merriman costing the Bills millions of dollars.

I guess you guys must love Ganther?

"...You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters." ~ Herm Edwards

"Talk's cheap. We all know that. It's like I've always said: 'Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.' " ~ Buddy Nix

by Jason from OH-IO on Dec 1, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

getting damaged goods in Merriman costing the Bills millions of dollars

Not millions. A million and change. They gambled and lost, but it wasn’t a big loss.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 2, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

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