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Bills 13, Browns 6: Notes From The O-Line, Week 14

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We've been kicking around the pros and cons of moving Eric Wood to center or keeping him at guard ever since he was drafted. Some, like me, were really pleased with how well he was doing at guard. I was also pretty happy with Geoff Hangartner at center, if for no reason than he wasn't Melvin Fowler or Duke Preston. Before I gave up tracking line play in the middle of last year, Hangartner's play was trending slowly downward. I opined at the time that Buffalo might shift Wood and find another guard if Hangartner's play continued to deteriorate. It didn't, and in 2010, Hangartner graded out at 75.4 on run plays and 74.7 on passing downs (with two sacks allowed) before he was injured. With Hangartner playing at a reasonable - if not outstanding - level, it made a great deal of sense to me to leave the interior as is and focus on the tackles.

What a difference one game can make. Bear in mind that this was just one game. 40 runs and 27 passes don't make for a representative sample. Keep repeating that to yourself and read on.

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I was worried that Wood's pulling ability would be squandered in the pivot. It is true that Wood stayed pretty much in the middle of the line throughout the game, which is probably why they call it the center position. He didn't pull and crush linebackers in space. While that's always fun to watch, it was even more fun to watch Wood work against the huge defensive tackles employed by the Cleveland Browns. Wood was left man-on-man for 11 of 40 run plays with the NT, generally Ahtyba Rubin. On the majority of the rest of the runs, he had help from either guard, usually a chip after which Wood had to handle the NT alone.

You'll notice that Wood had just three bad plays. The first was an uncalled hold on a three-yard run by Fred Jackson. The second was on Ryan Fitzpatrick's QB draw down near the goal line; Wood blocked a defender that Andy Levitre was blocking instead of picking up T.J. Ward, who helped keep Fitzpatrick out of the end zone. The last was a two-yard Jackson run in which Rubin finally got around Wood's block to get in on the tackle.

Those three bad runs were more than offset by 12 good run plays. On those 12 plays, he flattened defenders on two of them and drove Rubin an average of 3.1 yards downfield. Six of those were A gap runs, on which Buffalo averaged 4.0 yards per carry. Wood took it to Cleveland throughout the day. I'm hoping that Hangartner can't make it back this season, because I'd love to see how Wood does against the divisional foes - at least one of whom has a good run defense. If he builds on this promising beginning in these last three games, it's time to add right guard to the need-to-fill list.

Individual Run Grades - Week 14
Player Good Decent Bad Killed Grade
Bell, D. 10 26 4 2 78.0%
Levitre, A. 14 23 3 0 80.5%
Wood, E. 12 25 3 0 79.5%
Rinehart, C. 4 19 0 0 78.5%
Wrotto, M. 4 28 8 1 73.0%
Howard, C. 0 16 1 0 73.8%
Individual Run Grades - 2010 season-to-date
Player Good Decent Bad Killed Grade
Bell, D. 29 246 22 5 75.5%
Levitre, A. 71 190 18 4 78.8%
Wood, E. 63 172 17 3 78.7%
Reinhart, C. 4 19 0 0 78.5%
Wrotto, M. 12 114 20 6 73.9%
Howard, C. 7 111 11 3 74.4%

On the subject of right guards, the Bills rotated Cordaro Howard and Chad Rinehart each series. It drives me nuts, as it doesn't allow for any sort of consistency. Rinehart's performance in particular seemed to validate my concerns. Three of his four good plays came towards the end of the game, after he'd had some time to acclimate himself to his teammates. I can't help but wonder if he would have looked even better if he'd instead been allowed to settle in for an entire half. Howard was just kind of there, with just one bad run play to mar an otherwise quiet afternoon. Levitre, on the other hand, really seemed to relish being next to Wood - this was his second double digit good run play day, and the most good run plays (14) of any Buffalo lineman this season. Mansfield Wrotto was on the other end of the spectrum. He spent a chunk of the day lined up against Shaun Rogers but most often saw Kenyon Coleman... and saw Coleman get inside of his block to disrupt or chase the play.

Run Direction Success, Week 14
Gap Att Yds YPA
Left C 13 43 3.4
Left B 2 27 13.5
A 10 35 3.5
Right B 5 9 1.8
Right C 10 52 5.2
Run Direction Success, 2010 season-to-date
Gap Att Yds YPA
Left C 77 341 4.4
Left B 23 120 5.2
A 81 266 3.3
Right B 34 110 3.2
Right C 90 406 4.5

As Der Jager noted, the Bills found success running up the middle. 17 of the 40 runs were inside the tackles, and many of the runs that went outside of the tackles were just outside - not sideline affairs. Buffalo averaged 4.2 yards per attempt between the tackles, which would mean that the Bills could run the ball between the tackles three times and expect to pick up a first down. Six of those 17 runs between the tackles were against eight-man fronts. It really was an imposition of will on the Browns.

Individual Pass Grades, Week 14
Player Good Decent Bad Killed Sack Help Grade
Bell, D. 1 24 2 2 2 1 74.3%
Levitre, A. 0 25 1 0.5 0 0 73.6%
Wood, E 0 25 2 0.5 0 0 73.5%
Reinhart, C. 0 11 1 0 0 0 73.3%
Wrotto, M. 1 24 2 0 0 1 74.3%
Howard, C. 0 15 0 0 0 0 75.0%
Individual Pass Grades, 2010 season-to-date
Player Good Decent Bad Killed Sack Help Grade
Bell, D. 7 434 40 14.5 6.5 41 73.6%
Levitre, A. 9 437 29 8.5 1 0 74.2%
Wood, E. 13 354 23 6.5 1 0 74.5%
Reinhart, C. 0 11 1 0 0 0 73.3%
Wrotto, M. 6 174 22 6 1 13 73.4%
Howard, C. 3 182 27 4.5 2.5 3 72.7%

There's not a great deal to say about the pass blocking stats. By and large, Fitzpatrick had time to get the ball out of his hands despite the fact that each of the bad pass plays by linemen occurred on separate plays. Demetrius Bell pulled the hat trick, twice. He had two bad plays, each of which were killed plays, and each of which were drive killing sacks. On the plus side, he increased his total good run plays for the season by almost 50% (19 to 29).

Bell killed the first drive by allowing a sack/fumble. Fitzpatrick tried to throw an INT on the second drive and put the ball a shade too far in front of Steve Johnson on fourth down. Bell killed the fourth drive by allowing another sack. Fitzpatrick killed the fifth drive by putting the ball too far in front of Donald Jones, and by not throwing the ball to Naaman Roosevelt, who likely would have gotten the first down. Wrotto doomed the sixth drive by allowing Matt Roth to shoot around him and force a quick throw. Levitre and Wood killed the seventh drive; Levitre was flagged for being too far downfield and Wood looked simply lost and didn't block Chris Gocong, who broke up the screen pass to Jackson. I'm hanging the eighth drive on Chan Gailey; the Bills had just blown the Browns into the endzone from the two and had fourth down at the 1. Gailey went with the sure points (FG) instead of for the throat. Jackson killed the ninth drive with a drop, and the tenth drive ended the game.

The Browns blitzed Fitzpatrick 14 times. He responded with 122 yards and eight first downs. He had two bad passes, one batted down, a sack/fumble and a pair of scrambles. The Browns stacked the box on almost half (18) of the 40 called run plays. Even with a fair amount of pressure, the Bills were able to impose their will, and the offensive line deserves credit for much of that success.

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Great stuff as always. I know I certainly appreciate you taking the time to go through all the plays, and be able to break it down.

Between the grades showing up here and Brian saying that he believes the Bills want to get more physical on the line it seems that Wood playing at C next year is highly probable?

And if that’s the case is Hangartner a guy you can play at G, or is he the odd man out?

by Pistol on Dec 15, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

it seems that Wood playing at C next year is highly probable

I’d phrase it “distinctly possible,” but nothing more than that. Not yet.

Hangartner played guard in Carolina, and would certainly be able to help the Bills out in that capacity if Wood did get the permanent nod at center.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 15, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with Ron

Center, in my opinion, is the most important postion on the line, and Wood’s experience combined with his ability make it a perfect fit. I would be very surprised if the Nix Administration was planning on anything other than having Wood take the reins of the O Line for the forseeable future.

by perkispower on Dec 15, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Center, in my opinion, is the most important postion on the line

Also agree. Its why I liked that we had Geoff here as a FA when we had 5 new starters on the line with zero starts together. You need a guy in the there who can be able to communicate and lead as much as win his battles. Geoff was a great stop gap and I’d love him to stick around as either a guard or a backup but I think Wood is up to the task and should stay there.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Were Bell's sacks really on him?

Because of the blackout I listened to the game on the radio. On both of the sacks, Mark Kelso, the frmer Bills Safety and now the commentator on radio broadcasts, stated emphatically that they were coverage sacks — i.e., that Fitz held the ball longer than one could reasonably expect his o-linemen to hold their blocks.

I’m wondering if this is one of the reasons for the big discrepancy between Ron’s count of Demetrious Bell’s sacks and that of the Buffalo News. Ron now has Bell at 6.5 sacks for the year, while the News (assuming it saw the same thing as Mark Kelso on Sunday) has it at zero. Perhaps the people who are there in the stadium can see the play unfolding over the entire field and realize that some of the sacks are in fact on Fitz, while Ron who is watching the televised game with its more limited shots can’t see that. If that’s true, it would suggest that Bell is actually having a pretty good year in pass protection (while run blocking, as Ron’s numbers show, remains an area where he needs to improve).

by Macktruck on Dec 15, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

I watched and one for sure was a “coverage sack” if you will – but it’s tough when you can’t see the WRs in their patterns because someone may have been open…

South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight

by J2 on Dec 15, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Neither sack was 4+ seconds. No one may have been open but a lineman has to hold his block for more than 2ish seconds.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Dec 15, 2010 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Since I wasn’t able to watch the game, I have no personal view on this except to note that it is a question on which two people whose opinions I respect (you and Mark Kelso) seem to disagree.

by Macktruck on Dec 15, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

On both of the sacks, Mark Kelso, the frmer Bills Safety and now the commentator on radio broadcasts, stated emphatically that they were coverage sacks

I know people think I have it out for Bell but for what its worth I think Kelso is way off. Bell just blown by as he seems to do every game. The sack / fumble he gave up was infuriating. Ryan Fitzpatrick is the anti-thesis of a QB who makes his own sacks so if Bell can’t figure out how to give him enough time I’m not sure what hes going to learn to do.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think you have it out for Bell. But sometimes I feel we get too wrapped up on only 2 or 3 plays a game. Sure those 2 or 3 play can cost you the game – but hows he doing the rest of the time?

It’s like Moats – sure he’s done some good things recently – but what about the ohter 90% of the plays he’s played? Has he been a liability in any way.

Too many times I thnik we forget that there are 50+ plays for guys and we only concentrate on 5 of them…

South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight

by J2 on Dec 15, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Too many times I thnik we forget that there are 50+ plays for guys and we only concentrate on 5 of them…

I hear you J2. I just find it hard to ignore Bell’s 2-3 plays a game when every single Sunday those 2-3 are costing the Bills 1st downs, turnovers, or QB hits. Its one thing to get beat but hes killing drives. Consistently, every single week. My eyes are telling me this and then you look at Ron’s expert analysis and we see that in 13 games Demetrius Bell has killed 19.5 drives! I mean, ouch! At some point, as an NFL player, you can’t be on the field when your doing that.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

excuse me

19.5 killed plays and 62 bad plays – i guess not killed drives – though I’d imagine of the 19.5 more than a few killed the drive.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

At the end of the season I plan to do a killed drive post. I can tell you now that Fitz will have killed more than anyone else…not because he’s terrible bit because he touches the ball every play.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Dec 15, 2010 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’ll bet Fitz has at least 11 :)

Looking forward to that post

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

ya – I wasn’t trying to defend Bell at all – actually was just an overall statement. I think we can definately get better at LT – but at the same time – I think that we could be worse there too

South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight

by J2 on Dec 15, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we can definately get better at LT – but at the same time – I think that we could be worse there too

I have no doubt your right. RT to me is still a bigger problem right now and with no elite LTs available, Bell looks like he’ll get another season to show he belongs.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no doubt about that – especially with such a bad OT draft class. although I wonder if Carimi would be in our plans…

I also think that Bell hasn’t hit his ceiling yet – not ever being an linemen or coach I have absolutly nothing to base that on – but his offseason was short changed and we brought him along very slowly this year.

I wonder what a good offseason of workouts and rewatching his tape and learning will do for him. I’ve heard many times that players say the biggest jump is from year 1 to 2 in terms of learning – but I think Bell is alittle different because of injury, being so raw to begin with and the new scheme.

He still can grow into that role and I hope he does

South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight

by J2 on Dec 15, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

For me the third year is where I really start to expect more out of a player. Injuries factor in so that’s not a hard limit. I’m interested to see if Levtrie playing better because of Wood being next to him has a trickle effect on Bell. I can see Wood and Levitre demanding a lot of attention in after some time playing next to each other.

by Robot Nixon on Dec 15, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Bell Gave Up 1 Sack Maybe

The other sack was on a blitz and Bell took the inside man, the one closest to the QB as he should. The blitzer came off the left side free. Fitz has to audible into a different play and get the ball out.

by phaze1 on Dec 15, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe your right, and certainly not all the blame goes on Bell but I just see him get blown up every week whether the end result is a sack or not.

I’m not out to get the guy but teams do seem to take advantage of him regularly. It certainly doesn’t help that there is no one on the right side because teams can just send one man against whoever we have there and expose Bell’s side to more pressure.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not entirely disagreeing with you in regards to Bell – he needs to improve if he’s going to be anything more than average. However, every tackle is bound to get blown up from time to time – its what happens when a 250 + lb pass rusher is flying at you. Joe Thomas was thrown off-balance or overpowered more times that game than Bell was. That doesn’t mean that Bell is the better player, but I think he’s definitely earned the right to return next season as the starting LT, regardless of the exceedingly weak tackle class.

THAT is why i'm serious.

by Trashplate on Dec 15, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

but I think he’s definitely earned the right to return next season as the starting LT, regardless of the exceedingly weak tackle class.

Would you still bring in competition to make him earn it? Essentially, has he earned the right to have the starting gig in your opinion or the right to compete for it. Because to me, I just want someone else who can at least fight him for the job and I’ll be happy. I trust Chan and if Bell wins a fair offseason fight, the job is his.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m at a severe disadvantage this week because I wasn’t able to see the game thanks to the blackout, but I would point out that even the best LT’s in the league get blown up on plays a couple of times a game. It’s an incredible battle between the LT and the other team’s best speed rusher, and no LT can win on every snap.

by Macktruck on Dec 15, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and no LT can win on every snap.

I agree with you on that. Im just concerned with how he gets beat every week. Im no analyst so I couldn’t tell you if its lack of strength or what but something is clearly present that is causing him to consistently give up big plays every Sunday. Its like a WR who has the case of dropping big passes, its a tough habit to overlook for me.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen that on a weekly basis, but if that is happening it may well reflect his inability to participate fully in the offseason strength and conditioning program because of his injury. Chan Gailey commented the other day about how Bell has not been playing at his peak strength this year because of how he was limited during the offseason, and they have of course continued to rest him on Wednesdays for that reason.

by Macktruck on Dec 15, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Poz

Admit it, Bell picked on you in school or something huh? Your usually so easy going regarding players, but Bell’s gettin no slack, hope he proves you wrong!

That's A Spicey Meatball! GO BILLS

by buffalobacker on Dec 15, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Bell’s gettin no slack,

Its not cause Im easy going on players thought its because I try to look at them as objectively as I can and a lot of times with a bad team that makes me seem like Im more positive than usual. Im sure when we’re good people will think im a pessimist haha. I’ve tried to give Bell slack but every game he gives me reason not to!

And yes, I really hope I am wrong too. Its just tough to be easy on a guy who I think has had one good game.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Objectively?

So do you look @ your namesake as a great player, because I highly doubt that anyone including you could argue that point. I think it is all namesake, because who is really more valuable right now to this team….and UDFA LT who slowly is making a name for himself or your hero? I would argue that Bell is far much more irreplaceable or an overhyped make NO DIFFERENCE MLB? Give Bell some credit!

It's been too long ...Playoff Bound In '12?

by SPD on Dec 15, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohh

I believe he will!

That's A Spicey Meatball! GO BILLS

by buffalobacker on Dec 15, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Again….this is yet again that someone is bringing Poz into a discussion with me. When do I ever harp on how good Poz is?

Hes my favorite player, not my hero.

I would argue that Bell is far much more irreplaceable or an overhyped make NO DIFFERENCE MLB

I get that. And I would argue that he is a guy who is getting beat every game.

Not so sure what that has to do with my objectivity.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Poz doesn't?

Poz is so out of place and infamiliar on the field that it is a joke, favorite player? Well that alone leaves some ? marks. Check the stats and writeups and you will see that D Bell is not near as bad as you make him out to be and is actually progressing…and again your Namesake? (not hero)

It's been too long ...Playoff Bound In '12?

by SPD on Dec 16, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

what does Poz have to do with anything

We are talking about DBell and how does Poz being my favorite player leave question marks? We have different opinions obviously on Bell and apparently Poz as well. Go check all the stats and writeups you want. I base my opinion on what I see on Sundays. You know, by watching how he plays? Still not sure what Poz has to do with anything.

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 16, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think the first sack given up was a coverage sack, but it was odd that Fitz didn’t make a faster decision, it was trips WR to the right and Jones was open for a second there. Bell was beaten by a double move (Gocong)
The second one I thought Shaun Rogers illegaly used his hands to Bell’s face. Should have been a flag there.

by Fixxxer on Dec 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that the Bills won’t need to draft a guard if Wood is moved to center. First off, Hangartner is playing measureably better this year so theoretically he could make a good transition to right guard. Second, Kraig Urbik seems to have promise as a starter at guard. I think that tackle is a position with greater draft need.

by DynamicHero22 on Dec 15, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t think anyone’s going to argue with you on that.

Plus, it’s a lot easier to plug someone in at G than at C or T.

by Pistol on Dec 15, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Love the analysis, but I for one am glad we took the points on that drive. I also don’t see why this performance by Wood suddenly makes him such a sure thing at center. It’s one game against a team that made the left side of our line look like Pro-Bowl run blockers all of a sudden.

As far as rotating lineman, this appears to be a recurring point of disagreement. There are pros (as well as cons). You sacrifice consistency for fresher legs from banged up / new guys — particularly at the end of the game. If you recall Cordaro fell apart at the end of a long game (Baltimore?).

Our ability to run the ball in the fourth towards the end could just as easily validate this strategy as perceived inconsistencies during the game invalidate it.

Also, Joe Thomas appeared to have a similar game as Bell (a few bad plays). Elite tackles are not as perfect as we make them out to be. Meanwhile, Fitz held the ball awhile on those. Bell could have played better, but even Fitz suggested he was taking too much time in his post-game press conference.

by greysquirrel on Dec 15, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t disagree with taking the points; I assign the blame for ending a drive short of the end zone and in that case Gailey chose to end the drive instead of go for the TD. He made a coaching decision…the same many would have made.

Elite players make mistakes…peyton Manning throws picks and Andre Johnson drops balls. You may notice that bell didn’t grade out horribly. Its just that two of his mistakes were big ones.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Dec 15, 2010 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh and Wood isn’t a sure thing at centenary but he looked good in his one opportunity. I’d love to see him dominate the DTs in the division.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Dec 15, 2010 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hope that centenary is, like, this Sunday.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 15, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Stuff

Regardless of what we think, it is more entertaining watching the QB dropping back with the confidence of his lineman. Hanging in the pocket without the fear of getting clobbered. We shouldn’t be happy until Fitz has a Brady amount of time to pull the trigger. What I enjoy seeing is the development from the beginning of the year until the end. Comparing last year to this year, these are the things that I value. I can’t throw the stats up to show this, but I can watch the QB play like an NFL QB when he does drop back. It is safe to assume we need improvement from the line, we should always want improvement, the bigger question is if the talent is there from these young players to develop the skills necessary to improve or if we need to look elsewhere. I think that is the bigger delimma that we all contemplate.

One thing I think we all can agree on is we should seek stability on the right side of the O-Line.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Dec 15, 2010 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

One thing I think we all can agree on is we should seek stability on the right side of the O-Line.

If Wood stays at center, which I think he should, this becomes immediately our biggest concern along with LBs in my opinion. I dont know how you fix this kind of thing in one off-season but I’d imagine that Kraig Urbik or Geoff could get a season to show their stuff at guard. RT needs to be upgraded immediately

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

and that was my point

We have seen some options at right guard this season. Options meaning promising alternatives going forward. Still leaving RT as an immediate focal point. I am trying to put a percentage to Bell’s Bad and Killed Vs total plays. This may be more of a bench mark as far as progress. Still weary of the latter part of the season. I know it is an excuse but with out a productive training camp and a sixteen game schedule a player can wear down going into the final month, has he regressed in the later stages of the season and if he has how much is it the fact he really hasn’t had a full healthy training camp. Then factor in improvements it just leaves alot of gray area before he is discarded.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Dec 15, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Bells overall run blocking grade has improved as the season has neared the end. He’s north of 75 now.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Dec 15, 2010 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This may be more of a bench mark as far as progress.

Yea, definitely would interesting to check out

I am in agreement with you that if Wood moves into the center, the right side of the line immediately becomes a problem. It seems like Buddy Nix has no problem stockpiling young linemen as a philosophy for finding some keepers and I can’t say I have a problem with that. Lets hope it pays off!

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks Ron

week in, week out you deliver. Awesome.

Some of my thoughts from watching the game and thinking on it after:

- Based on every report you’ve written this year Ron, you’ve got me concluding that Eric Wood is having a monster year. He’s handled all his matchups, is coming off a horrific injury, and is just beasting it for us. This guy is really emerging as one of our best players this year and if moving him to center is the best way to use him then I’m all for it. It could help our run game tremendously as Wood has seemingly won matchups with Suh, Ngata, Wilfork all year. At center he could have an even bigger impact for our running game.

- Levitre is great. Every report hes just doing his job and doing it well. When you watch games it feels like you dont even have to think about Levitre thats how effective he is. When you arent hearing a linemans name its a good thing.

- Demetrius Bell gets blown up at least once a game. I dont get it. Its like a ticking time bomb. He holds up, holds up, holds up, and then like clockwork he just gets blown up for a big play to stall a drive. Im starting to think its either that he has lapses in concentration or that there is a flaw to his game that is showing up on film that defensive players are employing on important third downs.

- RT, what a disaster.

- Chan Gailey seemed to really like Chad Rinehart and his numbers look kind of decent. In his limited action did he look better than Urbik Ron?

The league should reward us with a compensatory 1st round pick for ending the Farve misery story. - wab2

by poz on Dec 15, 2010 10:40 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Next week I wont be delivering. I will be in Seattle from Sunday to Saturday so I will need to do that breakdown in conjunction with the Pats game.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Dec 15, 2010 11:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I understand your points about Bell

In all honesty I am not trying to overly support Bell as much as I am willing to allow the kid to develop. He is a seventh round draft pick and that will require some developing and growing pains. Those killed plays and bad plays that Ron mentions are not exceptable and even at a 12% rate there is plenty of room for improvement. I am just not buying into starting over with another project in a cohesive unit such as the O-Line as many are. IMO he will still get better as long as he can stay healthy and we can develop a running game to keep Fitz from throwing 40+ times a game. I also don’t expect perfection either as with any OT that is too rare to expect. Still better play going forward is a must and I feel it is in progress.

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by VanScottM on Dec 15, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I am just not buying into starting over with another project in a cohesive unit such as the O-Line as many are

I can totally understand this point. As much as I dont like what Bell is doing on the field, I think cohesion on the offensive line is probably more important than anywhere else on the field. And to be honest, hes not even our weakest link. With a relatively weak OT class RT would probably be a more prudent place to begin addressing the problem. I think Bell will likely get another year to prove himself. If there is an immediate upgrade available, I am more than ready to leap at it but as of right now, I just dont see one unfortunately and as you said, with Wood moving inside, right side of the line may need a rehaul.

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by poz on Dec 15, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Finally got to see Wood at center

And boy was it great. He’s so well suited to play center especially in this division, he’s more powerful than athletic and I pray they keep him there.

by eze on Dec 15, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

either way,

they are much better than last year. They are still young and will continue to get better. Bell will get one more year, if he cant do it, they will look to replace him.

"The Buffalo Bills have just exploded all over the Cincinnati Bangles"
-Steve Tasker-

by billsoferie on Dec 15, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Ron great stuff as usual.

one thing I see as a problem in our run game is the ability to run consistently when the other team knows that is what we are going to do. I love FJ and I think he is great RB for our team, but I wonder if this is an area of weakness in his game, or is it more the inconsistency of our youg O-line. IMO I think it is a combination of both with the O-line being the bigger contributor to this problem.

Some may say it is not even a problem as I have read a lot of comments here that say one of the things they really like about FJ is that he always gets posative yards. For sure he does not spend a lot of time in the backfield dancing around while looking for a whole. He seems to find a little crease, and dashes into it. This may give him positive yards, but it also IMO gives him a high percentage of 1, and 2 yard gains.

When you look at his total YPC for the game it is usually good. (3.86) is not bad considering the weather conditions. The problem I see is when you take the last drive out of his stats it makes a big difference. This was a good example of a drive when the Browns knew we were going to run it. FJ, and the O-line were up for the chalenge (5.66 YPC) So thats great right. Well the other side to this is that for the first 56 min. of the game now FJ’s numbers are (20-61) (3.05 YPC) Not so good. To make matters worse a lot of the low gain numbers came on first and ten situations when the deffense was playing us for the run. By my check 5 of FJ 29 rush attempts were for 1 yard and less. Thats 17% of the time. 4 of those were on first and ten leaving second, and long situations. Add into that 3 more on the day for 2 yards, and now 27.6% of his 29 rush attempts were for less than 2 yards. Most of these were in obvious run situations and I am sure most were with the box stacked against a solid but not great Browns run deffense in sloppy conditions. So my question to you Ron, and whoever else wants to respond is this. What is the problem that is causing inconsistent and low YPC in obvious run downs??

Choices:

A: Our young O-line has shown much improvement, but still makes a lot of small mistakes in the run game limmiting FJ in those obvious run downs.

B: FJ is a great RB, but one of his weaknesses is short yardage, and obvious run downs. He needs to improve in this area, but it is not a big deal.

C: We have faced a lot of quality rush deffenses this year that has impacted FJ stats in this area and for the most case he has done a good job. You are worying about nothing.

D: All the above to some extent.

E: Other.

Please base your arguments in provable facts instead of pulling stuff out of your rear. -CanadianBillsFan- This is why talk is cheap because the supply always exceeds the demand.

by jbbillfan on Dec 15, 2010 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

I'd put the majority of it on "A"

our offensive line is young, raw, and most notably been different every week since week 3? somewhere along those lines. and with that, it’s hard to piece it together perfectly so that pass plays, and rush plays, are consistent as well as good. of course, on pass plays, i’d say it’s a lot easier as you know the QB will most likely stay in the pocket and the o-line can always work around that. but on run plays, yes the RB should run a certain route, but they can also have the choice to cut-back, scramble out, and if that’s the deal, the o-line will find it hard to open the gaps when it’s the wrong gap.

on another note, i believe the coaches has a lot to say in this. particularly having the RB run north and south instead of dancing in the backfield. that’s why FJ doesn’t get negative yards, because he usually never running sideline to sideline, but at the same time, that’s why he only gets 1-2 yard sometimes.

positively, when the o-line gets better, more consistent in personnel, the run game will be better. remember what a lot of people said about FJ then they did lynch? FJ makes his o-line look better because of his ability to see gaps and hit them hard even if for a few yards. lynch on the other hand, needs a good o-line to make him better – and i believe this is true for spiller as well as he needs a good o-line to make holes for him to hit and be productive.

by blowfishee on Dec 15, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Running between the tackles

In his post-game comments, Gailey said he told both CJ and FJ to focus on running north and south. Apparently they listened.

by TiPSY on Dec 15, 2010 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

i know this can get old but....

“Levitre, on the other hand, really seemed to relish being next to Wood”

just too good

by dwwhite190 on Dec 15, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

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