Bills Commit Seven Turnovers In Brutal Loss To Patriots
by Brian Galliford on Dec 26, 2010 4:02 PM EST
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Buffalo Bills wide receiver Stevie Johnson hauled in five passes for 58 yards on Sunday, surpassing 1,000 receiving yards on the season. That's about all that went well for Buffalo on Sunday, as they were thoroughly outclassed by the visiting New England Patriots, getting blown out of Ralph Wilson Stadium by a final score of 34-3. New England has now won 15 consecutive games against Buffalo.
The game boils down to one stat: Ryan Fitzpatrick turned the ball over five times (three interceptions, two lost fumbles) and C.J. Spiller added two more lost fumbles, the last on a muffed punt in garbage time. Seven turnovers against the Patriots is never a good idea, and those negative plays directly led to 21 points for the visitors.
Fred Jackson carried the ball five times for 50 yards on the opening possession of the game as the Bills quickly bolted out to a 3-0 lead. It was all downhill from there, as Jackson only carried eight more times (for 31 yards) in the ball game. Meanwhile, the Patriots got 220 total rushing yards as a team, and Tom Brady was his usual self, throwing for three touchdowns, two to local product Rob Gronkowski.
If this game was supposed to be a measuring stick for the "progress" Buffalo made after its 0-8 start, then it's clear that the Bills fell well short of minimum requirements to hop on the roller coaster that is NFL respectability.
Buffalo is now 4-11, and they'll wrap up their 2010 campaign next week against the New York Jets.
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Next Week.
Let’s see what Brohm can do.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions
Why?
What can he show in one game that’s supposed to have any meaning?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Gailey said
they released trent because they wanted to work with Brohm.
Let’s see how the work has paid off by giving him a shot.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Keep on holding out hope.
But Brohm’s not going to show anything or be the answer.
by twoeightnine on Dec 26, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
you don't know
if you don’t give him a chance.
He might be better than Fitz, if you give him a chance.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Couldnt do much worse than the Fitz we saw today.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
What have I been saying?????? Fitz is an 8-8 QB
Play Brohm vs the Jets
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
How he has been progressing by throwing in a live game and taking 1st team reps
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
And it's one game
Itll prove next to nothing
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
we know what fitz can do.
time to see if brohm can do anything. It can’t hurt.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
BK, the worse thing for Brohm would be to go into the last game. It’s a no win situation:
a) if he doesn’t light it up, people will discount him immediately
b) if he does well, people will say that it was a meaningless game
The only thing that is certain is that we need to draft our “franchise” guy. I’m not saying that Fitzy isn’t good, cause he’s really impressed me this year but he is what most of us though he was, a very good backup. Do we absolutely need to reach for one this year no not at all but if one of them is within our reach I think we need to pull the trigger.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
by keysh67 on Dec 26, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Every last damned draft pick should be sent to Carolina. Every one of them. Hell, give them Spiller too. I don’t care. It’s overreaction day!
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Spiller or a 7th.
Whichever they value more.
by twoeightnine on Dec 26, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This too ^^^^^^^ (Afghan on a roll today)
I’m not even sure I know how many draft picks I would willingly give up for Andrew Luck….could get into the double-digits.
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by StroudFanClub on Dec 26, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
b) if he does well, people will say that it was a meaningless game
Then they don’t remember how crappy Fitz has played against the Jets.
It’s not meaningless to me if he does well, I think if he does well, you need a real competition between him and Fitz to be starter, going into training camp next year.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd.
The only thing that is certain is that we need to draft our "franchise" guy
Amen to that. Fitz may have had success this year but against whom? Put him up against the “best” and his accuracy goes from below average to horrible. Today’s debacle was a team (non) effort, but, it’s clear, Fitz will not get us moving forward.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
non effort
That worries me. Why weren’t they "putting out’? Haven’t seen game but heard it was a “no-show” by team as far as effort is concerned. Thats not a good sign. Second time I’ve heard this. Maybe some players sense their future? Hope its not a sign of things to come.
" All that 8-8 means for a team that needs a QB upgrade is your to good for your own good." Bob Dicesare.
by buffalobacker on Dec 27, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
Please pull the trigger, pullease!!
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Please pull the trigger, pullease!!
and put us out of our misery???
Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!
If Brohm wants to have any sort of professional career, he’ll leave the Bills. It would do nothing to benefit him by playing against the Jets next week. Miami could come calling for him.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
If Brohm is not the answer, then why not play him?
Who are we going to find out more about if they start vs the Jets…Fitz or Brohm?
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
time to see if brohm can do anything. It can’t hurt.
The only reason to play Brohm would be that the experience might make him a better QB. Give him some live reps in a game in the hope that it helps him have a great offseason and preseason and that maybe he can build off of that.
In terms of evaluation, you can’t learn anything about Brian Brohm from one game. In statistics, you reach a point where the sample size becomes too small for the outcomes to have any meaning. It’d be like picking one game from this season at random, showing it to somebody who has never seen Ryan Fitzpatrick play and then asking him to make an accurate judgement on Fitz. Maybe he watched the Baltimore game and thinks he’s a total star. Maybe he watched todays game and thinks that Fitz is terrible. The best statistics example would be coin flips. If you flip a coin 100 times, you’re probably to get an outcome that’s pretty close to 50/50 (there’s about a 3% chance that it ends up 60/40). If you flip a coin 10 times, you’re just as likely to prove an incorrect outcome as you are a correct one.
Wanting to play him is nothing more than fan curiosity. The Bills have learned 50x more about him by spending the offseason with him, training camp, practices, film meetings and just getting to know him personally than they would from playing him in one game, especially one game against an elite defense.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
by kaisertown on Dec 26, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't get this line of thinking
Sure, we are not going to be able to know for sure that he is the next Jim Kelly. Why does that have to be the goal? It would simply be the first game to help coaches decide if the kids has got what it takes. He has to have his first game sometime. Why not see what he can do vs the Jets. It might be good…it might be bad…..it would most likely be a mix of both, but at least the coaches would have some NFL game film on the kid….something we can’t get from any college kids. Sure they will learn more in camp next year, but why wait that long? It is not like Brohm is a rookie. He should be ready for this. If getting the crap kick out of him for one game destroys the kid, then I want to know now.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
Sure, we are not going to be able to know for sure that he is the next Jim Kelly. Why does that have to be the goal?
My point isn’t that you don’t learn enough for it to be worthwhile. I think the Bills would literally learn nothing that they don’t already know. This isn’t about football, it’s about statistics. I think my Fitzpatrick example is a good explanation of what I meant. Say that one of us worked for the Bills as Fitz’s personal slave. We watched him take part in every practice and sat through every meeting and film study with him. We got to know who he is and see how he worked. But for whatever reason, that job made it impossible to watch the games. And then you randomly got to watch one Bills game, would you really accurately learn anything from that one game? Maybe you would learn that he a turnover machine if you watched today’s game and you would wonder how he could possibly be a starting QB in this league. Or maybe you would watch one of his games and think he is the savior of the franchise.
In statistics, you get to the point where you are more likely to reach the wrong conclusion than the right conclusion because the sample is too small. One NFL game is too small of a sample to judge the potential of a QB.
In Ryan Fitzpatrick’s first start, he threw for over 300 yards, had three TDs and a QB rating of 117. In his third start, he threw five INTs. In his fourth start, he averaged fewer than 3 yards per pass attempt. Were any of those games accurate assessments of Fitz? If the team was trying to decide whether or not to address QB in the offseason, would one game of a player improve the odds of making the right decision, or worsen them? IMO, the Bills are more likely to make the correct decision with Brohm right now than they would be after watching him start one and only one game.
It’s also important to take Brohm’s career up to this point into consideration and know that he’s been a pretty bad player. Cut by Green Bay after abysmal preseason performances. Did a solid job against Atlanta in that game where he was forced into action, but it wasn’t exactly the type of performance that leaves you thinking he’s a future starter. I thought he was very mediocre this preseason. It’s incredible to me that he’s never thrown a TD in the NFL. Say Brohm does start and has a great game throwing for 250 and a couple TDs and doesn’t turn it over. Imagine how many people would form the opinion that Buffalo doesn’t need to draft a QB. Would that actually be a better opinion to have than it is right now? Or the opposite of that would be for him to go out and throw for 160 and turn it over a couple times. Everybody will be predicting that he doesn’t make the team next year, but we don’t have the slightest idea whether or not Gailey and Nix have any faith in Brohm or if he’s just another body on the roster for the sake of depth.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
Disagree almost across the board
This isn’t about football, it’s about statistics.
It is about football. We need to find out if Brohm is a gamer. I don’t care about the stats or the score. I want to see how Brohm commands the huddle, reacts under pressure, etc.
Say that one of us worked for the Bills as Fitz’s personal slave. ……would you really accurately learn anything from that one game?
If that were true, then how did Edwards “earn” the starting QB job at the beginning of this season. Preseason only tells you so much. Edwards is the perfect example of why Brohm needs to start in an actual game.
Were any of those games accurate assessments of Fitz? …. would one game of a player improve the odds of making the right decision, or worsen them?
This is a place where I do agree. One game will not tell us if Brohm is the answer for sure, but it might give us a good idea one way or another. The journey of 1000 miles…..might as well take that first step. As far as CHIX making the “right” decision, I have little faith in them doing that after the Spiller pick.
Imagine how many people would form the opinion that Buffalo doesn’t need to draft a QB.
I am supremely confident that a 400 yd game by Brohm would not be enough to stop CHIX from taking Luck. After him, I am not sure any of these guys are better than Brohm. Remember, Brohm was a highly thought of pick with a good track record coming out of college. Besides, if Luck is gone, BPA dictates the Bills draft someone other than a QB with the first pick ;-)
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
I want to see how Brohm commands the huddle, reacts under pressure, etc.
Brohm has started a game in the NFL before. If you still don’t know any of those things about Brohm, how are you going to learn them in one game?
Edwards is the perfect example of why Brohm needs to start in an actual game.
How many starts before we knew that Edwards wasn’t going to work out? If we play Brohm in one game and he does well, people will assume that he isn’t Trent Edwards, but nobody knew that Trent was Trent until his 2nd or 3rd season. You’re more likely to come to the wrong conclusion after one game then you are the correct conclusion. It’s one game. Trying to read into and evaluating anything would be a mistake. That’s why you don’t play him at all. Buffalo is more likely to know whether or not he is worth bringing back and in what capacity right now than they would be after one NFL game. The game could either confirm what they already know (so, nothing gained from playing him) or it could change their minds on him (which, statistically, is more likely to be a bad idea than a good idea).
but it might give us a good idea one way or another. The journey of 1000 miles…..might as well take that first step
Or it might give us a wrong idea one way or the other. The journey is 1000 miles and people are talking about playing him as if it’s a good idea to walk 10 miles, stop, have an offseason and then make a decision about how the next 990 might go. It’s a trap. A great start is probably fools gold. A terrible start is completely meaningless. Young QBs have terrible starts. But will the Bills be so dismissive of his performance? And if they would do the correct thing and completely dismiss the results, why play him at all?
I am supremely confident that a 400 yd game by Brohm would not be enough to stop CHIX from taking Luck.
I should have been more clear there, that wasn’t my point. Obviously, Brohm isn’t going to get one game and then be the starting QB week one next season. My point is that the fans around here would take one great start and say that Buffalo would be crazy to draft a QB because we’ve got Brian Brohm, the guy who was a hot prospect 4 years ago to develop. One terrible start and Levi Brown should be the backup next year. You know how it works with fans and overreaction.
"You mean @TWHITNER. It’s how he prefers to be referenced." - Jon Harrington
by kaisertown on Dec 27, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
because
Brohm has started a game in the NFL before. If you still don’t know any of those things about Brohm, how are you going to learn them in one game?
Like you said, it takes more than one game. Shouldn’t Brohm have made some progress in learning the offense since his last start? Isn’t the Oline better than when Brohm played before? Are not the young WRs more experienced? Isn’t Spiller a better RB……bwhahhahahaahahaaa….sorry, had to put that in there :-)
Or it might give us a wrong idea one way or the other.
You must have less faith in the coaching staff than I do. I would rather take my chance getting the wrong idea than have no idea at all. Again practice reps do not equal game reps.
The game could either confirm what they already know (so, nothing gained from playing him) or it could change their minds on him
And what do they already know? That Fitz is currently a better QB in practice than Brohm? How much does that really tell us since they thought Edwards was a better QB in practice than Fitz?
My point is that the fans around here would take one great start ….You know how it works with fans and overreaction.
And the fans would be wrong. You know that is not how a FO should run a team. The fans reactions should not dictate the FO’s course of action.
Let’s flip this. What is to be gained by playing Fitz?
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
I would have loved to see him a few weeks ago
or better yet right after the Bye week. I was already sold on Fitzy as our guy for next year while we groom our franchise guy so I didn’t need to really see him. I’m glad because I discovered that the guy is a much better leader of men then I thought but in the end of the day, he’s still Fitz. I would have liked to see Brohm for 8 games – now we have no clue so in the draft we need to get our guy if we can.
What if he goes in and throws 3 TDs and 3 INTs? Will you want to keep him around? What will one game tell you? You might start forming your opinion after just one game. Even Fitz looked mediocre the first couple of games until he found his grove with his receivers. Brohm deserves a real chance – not some little junk time at the end. When he gets his chance he needs to be able to go back to work during the week to fix the problems and I would like to see how he handles that part of the job, not just the window dressing.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
I think I answered most of this in my reply to kaisertown
Short answer……Maybe we find out if Brohm is more Edwards or Fitz. You don’t know until you try.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
Agreed
HC and FO know what they have in Brohm. If he had any relevance to sucess we’d of played him.
" All that 8-8 means for a team that needs a QB upgrade is your to good for your own good." Bob Dicesare.
by buffalobacker on Dec 27, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I dont even really know what to say................
It really feels like Groundhog day-cade………..
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:07 PM EST reply actions
Every year vs Pats
seems like we play them much closer in NE than in Buffalo. Pats up more for a road game?
I think it's more the team plays them well in the first game...........
tries the same game plan again……….Pats plan for it and throttle them.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yay?
Is that supposed to make Bills fans feel better about their putrid effort? I don’t understand that logic even though we see this time and time again….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Not to mention the Bills get to play a P'O'ed Jets team next week on the road........
wooooo
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Of course
Though after the Bills get blasted, I don’t really give a crap about the Jets or Dolphins losing.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Rex was daydreaming of touching his wife’s soft feet when they made the game plan.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rex was daydreaming of touching his wife’s soft feet when they made the game plan.
oooh, oooh, me next, me next, can I be next?
ROTFLMAO!! :-)
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Dec 27, 2010 2:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Spiller should be impeached, and banned from Chipotle.
"Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." - Marv Levy
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Dec 26, 2010 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm guessing Brian wasn't even there
Unless he brought his laptop or iPad…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
He was there.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 26, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Then he certainly left super super early
Or you wrote the story after he saved a draft earlier..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The only thing he needed to wait for was the final score. Could have posted this at the half.
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
and the final turnover count
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
We’re not that creative.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 26, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
So you must have left at halftime!
Don’t really blame you
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The teacher just sent home the Progress Report ........
……… and the grade is F-
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 26, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
In a game to show they were moving away from the same old Bills
They proved they were the same old Bills
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Dec 26, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Glad to have you back to the K I know and love........
:-)
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Port Royal wrote that great fan post earlier in the week
And the Bills fell flat on their face proving that probably nothing significant has changed attitude or coaching-wise…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Dec 26, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I hate to say that I felt like this was coming..........back in January.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't hate saying it Norcali
I can almost see your smile through the snow…
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
Yeah....because I take great satisfaction in the Bills being a big fat joke........
You got me pegged…..
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
And the Bills fell flat on their face proving that probably nothing significant has changed attitude or coaching-wise…
Now this is just wrong on so many levels. :-)
1. To say there has been no change in coaching is to deny the obvious adjustments at halftime that we never saw last year. Plus the fact that the offense is less predictable than last year.
2. To say there has been no change in attitude is to deny the end of the club med attitude that began when they removed all the TV’s and couches from the weight room.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Not to mention that the Pats are playing as clearly one of the best teams in all of football right now.
by thefourwinds on Dec 26, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well I didn't say either of those things.....
:)
I said nothing significant.
Sure, we’ve seen improved coaching on offense, and as the season progressed better gameplans on D. Does that mean it’s been good enough? Nope, not at all.
As for the less predictable offensive playcalling…is that true? Yesterday was a good example of that. How often has Gailey been going empty backfield or shotgun? That’s a guaranteed pass in this offense every time. That’s pretty predictable if you ask me.
What exactly did removing the TV’s in the weight room do? How can that even possibly be quantified? For the most part, this team played hard, just like all Jauron’s teams did. For the most part, this team couldn’t get it done against top notch competition and got smacked around by some of the best teams in the league, just like Jauron’s team.
Luckily, there’s still plenty of time for this team, under Gailey, to show significant differences in coaching and attitude. Right now, all we’ve really seen are minor changes, even if for the better….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I disagree K. They proved what we all knew, they’ve got a looooooooooooooong way to go. However they’ve also shown improvement over the last 8 games of the season. To discount all the improvements they’ve shown due to one game is a knee jerk reaction.
I'm not discounting the improvements made
But it’s crystal clear that the Bills are still nowhere near the same league the Pats are in, especially on the coaching end. They had an opportunity to step up and prove this wasn’t the same old Bills. They failed miserably. I think that means a lot.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
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1 game will never define a season. It will never define a coaches ability versus another till talent is to said coaches wants. NE’s coach has a waaaaaay bigger advantage than his counterpart(Chan). Let’s give Chan a chance to assemble his team, shall we?
" All that 8-8 means for a team that needs a QB upgrade is your to good for your own good." Bob Dicesare.
by buffalobacker on Dec 27, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Expectations
Your expectations are to high, certainly for this ‘showdown". NE a superbowl contender versus a team in need of “everything”! Thats the game to draw the “same old” Bill’s analogy.
" All that 8-8 means for a team that needs a QB upgrade is your to good for your own good." Bob Dicesare.
by buffalobacker on Dec 27, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
A step back
Wow, they looked like boys against men. We got a long way to go…
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
Funny thing is that Brady threw Cassel-like numbers and Welker dropped 3 passes. AND that team is made up of smurfs.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Was it the coaching difference? It was so lopsided that I couldn’t tell if it was raw personnel power or the play calling. Or we suck that bad…
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
Billy B is an amazing coach. It’s a culture too. They have many similarities to a team most of us long for – Levy’s Bills.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Bills have turned it over 7 times in a single game 12 times in history. They’ve actually won two of those games. Eight times on one game is most in team history.
Last time Bills gave up seven turnovers was in 2003 and they lost 38-5 to the Chiefs.
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7 turnovers isn’t really that bad… For a basketball team.
If you had told me we’d rush for 6ypc and hold Brady to less than 150 yards, I’d have been pretty happy with the outcome. Oops.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Dec 27, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Stevie now has only one less 1,000 yard season than Lee Evans.
And if he explodes for a career game next week he could actually outperform Lee’s last two seasons combined.
But, but, but…
(Apologists)
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he does it
Just so there’s a reminder of how bad Lee Evans has been the last handful of years, and to show how productive Johnson has been.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Heads up!
Excuses coming!
Lee has been taking up two defenders all season for Johnson… (Does this actually happen?)
Lee hasn’t had a QB. (He had his best year with JP f’ing Losman.)
by twoeightnine on Dec 26, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well in my own opinon at least
Evans is best at running deep routes, that’s how he gets open that’s where he catches the ball best running deep down the sideline or over the middle. The last time Evans had a QB who could throw those passes was Losman and before that was Bledsoe when he had his most productive years. Fitz and Edwards suck at throwing deep passes either can’t throw far or don’t know how to throw a ball with any sort of “touch” on it. Stevie on the other hand does not have the deep downfield speed but is great running short-intermediate routes which is why he is so much more productive with Fitz. Give Lee another strong armed QB and watch his #‘s jump back up. At least that’s my theory.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
Back up?
To what? To being an average receiver instead of a below average receiver? Outside of his “breakout year” he never caught more than 55 catches with those two behind center. He caught 48 passes both of his first two seasons. The only ever good season he had was with Edwards, your “suck at throwing” QB.
by twoeightnine on Dec 27, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
he also
had 9 TD’s his rookie yr (more than any other rookie that yr including Fitzgerald and Roy Williams both of whom were thought to be way better) after that Moulds was gone and Josh Reed was his #2 WR again with Peerless Price coming back into the mix? come on. The guy has had a down year but he certainly is not a scrub or anything….is he worth the pay he receives certainly not but he certainly shouldnt be written off either.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
You just summed up how one dimensional Evans' career has been
He needs to go deep to be effective. He needs better QB’s and someone to throw it deep. Yadda yadda yadda.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Never said better QB's Losman certainly wasn't better
and Bledsoe was slowly declining and making poor decisions. I said he needs a QB who can get him the ball downfield. If that makes him one dimensional in your opinion then that is fine but his skill set is that exactly a downfield deep threat he does not have the size or build to be an underneath guy. As i said above is he worth the money he receives certainly not but he also isn’t a scrub like you guys are acting he is. He has 1 down yr and some people are ready to write him off already.
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
That is about as bad as it gets guys and girls. Fitz threw a couple very bad balls. I we got away from the run game way to early I Don undertand throwing bombs on 3 and 1. And I think it really showed how much lee helps the other receivers in coverage in a game. Defense sucked. Donte wants alot of money which is weird considering how he can’t cover a TE to save his life. Drayton once gain got beat and our front seven couldn’t stop the run against a patched up line and a pass happy offense. All the highs of this season honestly jut went down the drain after this game.
Im over pop corn..... But i still like me a little Spiller Thriller!!!!!!!!!!
by OC-BILLS-FAN on Dec 26, 2010 4:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nah man I go to wings and things in huntington beach. Best wings west of buffalo.
Im over pop corn..... But i still like me a little Spiller Thriller!!!!!!!!!!
by OC-BILLS-FAN on Dec 26, 2010 7:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't get the patched up line remark?
I saw plenty of their main guys: Light, Mankins, Koppen and Vollmer. Far from a patched up line.
by Long Beach Bills Fan on Dec 26, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well my bad all I saw was mankins and vollmer. what about my other comments?
Im over pop corn..... But i still like me a little Spiller Thriller!!!!!!!!!!
by OC-BILLS-FAN on Dec 26, 2010 7:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chris Mohr and Brian Moorman have both booted exactly 769 punts in exactly 159 games in a Bills uniform.
Strangest Coincidence Ever.
You can't have CHANGE without CHAN.
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And apparently
Both were terrible punters at the time they played in their 159th games.
Wow has Moorman fallen off a cliff…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Earlier this week Gailey commented on Moorman, and mentioned they were asking him to try more directional punting. The question is whether this is impacting Moorman, or if they changed strategies due to his diminishing leg.
Either way, it’s concerning. Moorman has been the only safe jersey purchase for the last 10 years
was there...
Moorman’s first punt was turrible,
punted from about the 15 and barely made it past the 50 yd line OOB with no one touching it. terrible.
by k8 on Dec 26, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say it's both
Moorman didn’t start the year so poorly, but has progressively gotten worse. Right now, he is playing as bad as any punter not named Matt Dodge.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
That’s creepy. What would be even creepier is if the Bills never punt in next weeks game against the Jets.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Be careful what you wish for
You could get no punts, but 7 more turnovers.
by NittanyKenny on Dec 26, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Good write up!
So are we still arguing in favor of NOT drafting a franchise QB, rumblers? Outclassed indeed! The teams that win have a great QB, the teams that don’t . . . well you saw for yourselves.
Remember Chan took Mike Tomczak to a divisional playoff! The guy can coach QBs!
So are we still arguing in favor of NOT drafting a franchise QB, rumblers? Outclassed indeed! The teams that win have a great QB, the teams that don’t . . . well you saw for yourselves.
IMHO anyone thinking we are set at QB is in denial.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
So how good was that win against Miami last week?
Now that the Lions beat them today? In Miami as well.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Miami has stunk all year
I don’t think anyone is shocked by today’s result there…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I kinda was.......
I know their offense is lousy………but their defense was good (atleast I thought)
Of course Mia had 3 turnovers as well……..
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the 34 was shocking
I’ll give you that. The Loss shouldn’t surprise though
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Who knows........
maybe the Lions will be in the playoff hunt next year……
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Lions won
two consecutive road games.
That hasn’t happened in a long time.
by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Dec 26, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
They are burning cars in Detroit right now
some might even be because of the win : )
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
How good was the win against Miami last week?
Now that the Lions beat them today? In Miami as well.
ANY win against Miami is a good win!! :-)
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
As bad as Fitz was . . .
. . . and he was awful today, we have to build in the trenches. We cannot control the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball. Haven’t done it all year. The pressure on Fitz is always there even when he isn’t being sacked. And meanwhile we have no pass rush and other teams just run through us or over top of us.
Just the way I see it.
And the Bills will forever tread water without a true franchise QB.
None of his TOs today were on the line. The Bills need both things fixed.
by twoeightnine on Dec 26, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But were the picks all Fitzy's fault?
looked like bad reads by the receivers (inexperience) and/or miscommunications because the receivers went opposite direction or didn’t stop and turn. Bad throws as well, but could have been more issues.
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
The ones along the sidelines were Fit’z fault. He was seeing the corner playing off and not seeing the help from the middle coming underneath.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
did you see
the near missed INT where Fitz threw it over the middle and 5 feet behind the receiver right to the defender? Defender was so stunned he dropped it or there would have been 8 turnovers.
Fitz’s accuracy was below par and par for him is a double bogey!
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
So 4-12 is better than 1-15 I saw at the season's start.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions
I saw 6-10
I guess I need to lower my expectations.
I expected 3-4 wins.
So I guess they’ve outperformed my expectations. If you can call it that.
by twoeightnine on Dec 26, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to me you had em spot on.......
I figured 3-4 as well……
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to me they have one more game to play.
by thefourwinds on Dec 26, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't get it
The single most important thing to do when ever you play the Pats is not give the ball away. We do it 7 times. My exact point earlier in the week, we turn the rock over, we loose bad! We hang onto the ball and maybe we could have seen a decent game!
Every time I watch us play the Pats (which takes a lot of work as I am in Europe) we just give them the ball and thus the ball game. Just once we should just try to play real ball control and then see how we stack up with the pats!
Im very frustrated because it is very obvious to me, that we need to take care of the ball better. Do these guys not remember the last 14 games against the pats…. maybe they should look a that film also before playing them next. Keep the rock, have chance to win, turn it over, LOSS! simple formula!
The Czech Republic and Republic of Slovakia are the only country outside of Canada that will know were Buffalo is and have actually visited it, and liked it! Hockey, Beer, and not liking any outsiders... hmmmmm HOME away from HOME!
It seemed every time Fred Jackson ran the ball, good things happened. Why wasn’t he used more? Where is the damned screen game?
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
The screen hasn't worked all season.
So why call it?
by twoeightnine on Dec 26, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Raise your hand if that got yelled at your TV multiple times:
hand!
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
Since it seems all the holiday cheer has left.
[your pet whipping boy] really stunk today.
Insert your player’s name.
My pick – anyone active.
Don’t forget Kyle Williams name either.
by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Dec 26, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions
[your pet whipping boy] really stunk today.
1. Chan Gailey – You run all over them the first drive, then stop on 2nd and 5.
2. Ryan Futzpatrick – The bad Fitz rears his ugly inaccuracy again and does a nice Losman impression again.
3. CJ “Fumbilina the Tiny Dancer” Spiller – Does his best Leodis impression today and has developed a propensity for fumbling the ball this season.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
It's obvious we're all pretty f'ing perturbed.
The problem with this team is that they’re their own brand of funk-nasty.They stink just enough not to get anywhere as an organization, either with the post-season, or the draft. They never play poorly enough to bottom out and find the fruits of their labor. It’s really a frustrating thing how they just don’t seem to know how to win or lose to their own benefit.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
this ^^^^^^^
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 26, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t sound like you’d be happy with a win or a loss… Sad.
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 5:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It sounds like you’re constantly seeking my comments just so you can sound high and mighty. Also sad.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
He did the same thing to me one week.........
then disappeared for a while.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ha. Maybe it’s actually true.
Goes for you, too.
by thefourwinds on Dec 26, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
No I’m pissed. But that doesn’t make me think everything is broken or that nothing has changed. It was a terrible game but it’s not just about the system and it’s not the end of te franchise. Sorry if I react to the pessiam I just find some comments exaggerated. Probably best to stay away…
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
While it's probably safe to say it's not as bad as many are painting it........
it’s not as rosy as some others would like to believe either.
And thus tells the stories of the Buffalo Bills since the Mid 90’s.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
There are two sides to every story.
The pessimists make very good points and the optimists make very good points. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Which side of the fence you land on all depends on how much you have had to drink.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Maybe that's my problem........
I need to drink more.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha I was going to say the same thing. Cheers. At some point we’ll agree.
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How are there pessimists and optimists? This is year 11 of no playoffs. Year 8 of getting swept by the pats. We’re coming off of McKelvin- Maybin- Spiller in the first round of the last three drafts. There are loyal, objective fans of the worst franchise in the league and there are juvenile, Santa Clause-believing, Bills footy pajama wearing cults.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Dec 26, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Port Royal you rule.
Best. Comment. Ever. And my new sig if you don’t mind.
by Home Run Throw-up on Dec 26, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
How are there pessimists and optimists?
Easy. There’s the “I can’t stand the Bills. Let me use this blog to scream it out as loud as I can so I can feel better about myself!” fans and then there are the “Why hate? At the end of the day what’s the point?” fans that view the Bills in a more even keeled state.
by DJ O on Dec 26, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec-room!
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
So now you have reduced yourself to name calling. Very mature of you. I am not saying that you are wrong. Are you overly dramatic? Well, I think you just proved that. Are the Optimists wrong? Well If I was to choose a side I would fall with the pessimists so I guess I would say they are but I am not willing to reduce myself to a juvenile like state of name calling. Have another drink.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
sireric, I don’t think it is name calling. It is genuine, fact-based disappointment in what we have had to endure for the past decade plus. I know that there are many here who have not experienced it (and I’m not trying to indict anyone), but there was a time when this team won consistently, and was a legitimate contender for Super Bowls. All I want – and what I suspect most everyone here wants as well – is a chance to get back to that reality. Hell, even for just a season or two – would make things so much more bearable. The suffering has just been for TOO long.
This is year 11 of no playoffs. Year 8 of getting swept by the pats. We’re coming off of McKelvin- Maybin- Spiller in the first round of the last three drafts. There are loyal, objective fans of the worst franchise in the league and there are juvenile, Santa Clause-believing, Bills footy pajama wearing cults. - Port Royal
by Home Run Throw-up on Dec 27, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are loyal, objective fans of the worst franchise in the league and there are juvenile, Santa Clause-believing, Bills footy pajama wearing cults.
Sorry but that reeks of name calling to me. I get frustrated with the homerism I see on this site also but that is a bit much if you ask me. You may agree with it and that is fine but that doesn’t make what was said any better, just you worse. Perhaps you both need to grow up a bit and instead of picking fights with people here who aren’t as dramatic in their assessment as you. People can see bright sides to things with out going over the deep end. Concentrate on focusing you hate towards the team if you wish, but stop the name calling crap.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
“Have another drink” is more 100 times more immature, insulting, and directly disrespectful than anything I wrote about an abstract train of thought amongst fans who insist on calling out this franchise’s shortcomings as “pessimism.” If I crossed a line last night, I apologize, but I did not intend to insult any fan directly- only a vague mindset of part of this fan base (those you called “optimists”). Your “name-calling” was directly malicious as usual, sireric. Enjoy the draft.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
I have to agree with you here
I think Eric jumped the gun and the drink comment was unnecessary.
Either way, I agree that there isn’t really a pessimist or optimist, so to say. We’re all wounded fans that want the best for this team and just want to root for a friggin winner soooooo badly…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Have another drink was a reference to the "which side of the fence you fall on comment that I made earlier to which you commented directly. It was not insulting and you are grasping at straws there. Overreacting much like you did last night not just in that comment but overall.
You are basically saying that people who see things different then you are immature children who don’t know any better. Sorry but that strikes me as name calling. My comment was to say hey have a drink and maybe you will fall on the other side of the fence.
No Malice intended but maybe you have a very thin skin.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
BINGO!
There are loyal, objective fans of the worst franchise in the league and there are juvenile, Santa Clause-believing, Bills footy pajama wearing cults.
Very well said. I refuse to blindly sit there and swallow some of the things this franchise does (the kool aid). 4-12 is not “progress”. 4-12 does not qualify you as a genius. Drafting a RB at #9 does not address the “number 1 priority”- the OL. Drafting Ed Wang does not address the OL problem. Raiding other teams practice squads does not adhere to the “build through the draft” philosophy.
It’s a load of crap as is the record and performance of the team, it’s coaches, and the OBD “brain trust”. It’s not being disloyal, it’s being mad and sad that we have to endure this year after year. It’s being fed up with poor decisions on almost every level.
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
by fansince60 on Dec 26, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You could be in Lions country...
just to put this into perspective. Detroit we are not. And I live out here and know what I’m talking about. God, to think I was raised in Bills country and live in the Lions land…talk about football abuse of fans.
Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and leave no doubt!
All you have to do is retire in Ohio, and the circle will be complete.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 28, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I understand being mad, but some of this frustration is not based upon this year alone. The reality is that while Buddy Nix was part of the organization last year, this year was supposed to be the start of a new regime. That generally means growing pains because the personnel has to fit the program. In our case, we had the wrong personnel and a lack of talent in areas. All of those things have to be addressed, which is why I’m glad they “raid[ed] other teams[’] practice squads.” If they still have holes to fill, a fact upon which we can all agree, why not try to get good players from other practice squads? They could be better than what you have on the field or at least better depth. This, in my opinion, doesn’t counter the build through the draft philosophy. The philosophy is based upon a preference for drafting the players you want instead of paying inflated prices through free agency. I think their actions fit within that philosophy. That being said, we all knew this year would be rough and next year will probably be as well. This wasn’t a game of Madden where you could completely revamp a bad team in one off-season. The new coaches need time to make things happen.
by NittanyKenny on Dec 26, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think I’m finally starting to understand this… No matter how much progress we make, we have to compete in a division with the jets and pats… We are a looooong ways away from becoming better than them…. Meanwhile teams with mediocre records in the NFC west can get into the playoffs
by Hayze on Dec 26, 2010 4:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We need to run a pro style offense.
I’m sick of this spread crap. Put the D#%M QB under center more often, power run game with a blocking back and play action off it. Not put QB under center fr runs and in the shotgun for throws with an occaisional handoff. And get a blocking TE. Cripes.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Best offense we’ve had in seasons and your primary concern is the system? I agree we could have run more but big picture I like where this offense is going.
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't
The patriots stopped using the spread so much and went back to a pro style offense with Brady under center and they are winning again. You can only run so much out of the shotgun. Keeping your QB under center gives you many more options for running, misdirection and play action. This offense almost never runs a decent play action and the patriots defense is worst against play action. So you are limiting yourself in what you can run playing so much out of the Shotgun and spreading them out all the time. The more we have gone away from a pro style offense the less we win. I watched Gilbride try it, then fairchild, schonert, van pelt, and Gailey now in increasing doses, and the win total gets lower with each increasing dose of the spread.
There is a reason the Patriots moved away from it, team speed is too great in the NFL to use the spread as a base offense.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Right we should1) mimic the pats regardless of personnel differences. 2) not look at the large increase in offensive production and just focus on wins. Because even if it scores more points it MUST be worse because our record is worse. Bring back van pelt, Schonert, or whoever else was part of a 7 win season.
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 7:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Right we should1) mimic the pats regardless of personnel differences
I’m not saying we should mimic them, just the fact this is the AFC east, not the SEC.
You need to be able to play action and run if you want to win championships in the NFL, you can win a national championship with the spread. What team has won a superbowl with the spread as a base offense? Answer NONE. We should be trying to build the best pro style base offense we can, not the best spread base offense we can.
Using the Spread as a base offense is like having a toolkit, missing half the tools you need.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
2) not look at the large increase in offensive production and just focus on wins. Because even if it scores more points it MUST be worse because our record is worse. Bring back van pelt, Schonert, or whoever else was part of a 7 win season.
Have you noticed as the season has progressed there has been a significant decrease in offense production?
Early in the year when teams didn’t know what Chan would do, it was more effective, but each game of film of this spread crap, it gets less and less effective.
Once teams know you are gonna use the spread as a base offense, it is easily defeated by most good teams. It worked the first time around against the Pats, by using it again in the rematch, it was easily defeated. Team speed is too great in the NFL to use the spread as a base offense and win year after year.
I didn’t like the other OCs i mentioned. I consider Chan at this point one more of em. If he can’t teach his team to throw a good play action pass on 3rd and short, after a few good runs. He has been predictible and offensive production continues to tail off as the season progresses.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Because I’m not despondent after getting whooped by the pats? You heart melodrama.
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I really wish you’d just stay away if you’re just looking to start internet arguments with the fans here.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry I didn’t realize this was the over the top negative fan club. My bad.
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not despondent, just pissed.
Because I’m not despondent after getting whooped by the pats?
Because I have watched EVERY single loss to them since the last time we beat them with Bledsoe.
It’s high time for the FO and coaching staff to show they belong in the NFL and beat them.
Until then, I will continue to get more and more pissed with each loss, and wish to finally get a FO and coaching staff that can beat them. Today was more of the same with a new coaching staff, play them close in the first game, then use the same game plan again and expect different results, that won’t work against them. To win today, they needed to show the hoodie something he hadn’t seen yet on film, which was a power run, play action off it game plan. They didn’t and the end result was predictable, just like it was with Van Pelt, Schonert, Fairchild, and Gilbride (At least he won the first one, before becoming enamored with the spread and getting him,donahoe, greggy and bledsoe run out of town).
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry pal
Offensive play calling didn’t kill this game. Execution and turnovers did.
You are so wrong.
We ran all over them the first drive, then in the redzone, did exactly what we did last game, and the hoodie was prepared and ready to stop it this time and did.
He didn’t cheat underneath help to the sidelines the first time we played, he sure did this time and got picks. He was prepared for the spread not the run and the first drive was evidence, but after we stalled the first drive with the spread, we stopped with the opening drive gameplan of runs which worked like a charm.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Why didn't we pick Gronkowski?
Once again it becomes clear that the Bills made a major mistake in not picking Rob Gronkowski when he was available. He would even have been worth our #9 first-round pick. Does anyone think C.J. Spiller was really the BPA over Gronko? We could have traded down, picked up Rodger Saffold (who has increasingly been looking like a future Pro Bowl OT lately), then chosen Gronko in the second and still have picked Troup with the other second-rounder we would have gotten by trading down. How much better would this team be today if Nix had done that?
It’s a lesson that needs to be learned for this year’s draft. Belichick loves to trade down and get his guys in the back half of round one and in round two, and look at the team he has assembled. We need to do the same.
“BPA” is code word for clueless.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
by Port Royal on Dec 26, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Welcome aboard :-)
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
Because the Bills don't play football with a tight end.
much to their detriment…
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 26, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Because they haven't had one good enough to play with in years.
by twoeightnine on Dec 26, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Because they haven’t had one good enough to play with in years.
And who’s fault is that?
They have these things called draft picks every year they could trade for one, if they could figure out what a good one looks like.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Angry second guessing. Pats receivers all overrated because of Brady. Receiversdo better there. I don’t see gronk translating those numbers onto other teams. Don’t turn his good situation into incomparable draft value. This game was about fitz first and foremost.
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No Way
Was this game all about Fitz.
Some observations:
1) Fitz threw two horrible picks. The sideline pick and the tipped attempt to squeeze the ball down the seam through 5 defenders were awful.
2) The pick to Chung at about the 30 seemed to be confusion between Jones and Fitz. Fitz thought Jones would turn and “post up” Chung, but Jones ran an odd looking slow out cut. Both of Fitz’s fumbles were great defensive plays (look at the hand placement by the defenders in both cases) where Fitz was trying to make plays that are his bread and butter but turned out very poorly. The two fumbles fall into the “@#$%” happens" when the QB is under pressure and forced to use his legs to avoid a sack or run for the first down. It was just very odd to see two such fumbles from FItz in the same game.
3) Spiller may well need to be switched to full time WR. He does not seem to have RB instincts. He looks like a WR being pressed into RB duty. He did show very good hands and ball skills during the game, which gives me hope he could be a productive WR. I question his ability to be an effective RB because he lacks decisiveness and balance. He plays with a narrow base and no power as a RB. For comparative purposes Danny Woodhead plays with great balance and a wide base. Danny Woodhead actually hits the whole and plants and cuts like a very poor man’s Barry Sanders. Spiller’s style does not resemble any successful RB I can think of mat this time.
4) Chan blew the first drive. The Bills ran the ball down the Pats throat and then he calls a first down fade to Stevie J. who fails to get both feet in bounds. While I did not like the call, I could live with it. The Bills then gain 5 yards running on second doen and face 3rd and 5 inside the NE 20 (maybe 15). Chan calls a pass. I could not believe the call. On 3rd and 5 at that spot on the field and in the game Chan had a chance to call two running plays to pick up 5 yards. Instead of rewarding his line and backs by continuing to play smash mouth football, he took the ball out of their hands and we kicked a FG. That was horrendous play calling in my book.
5) Stevie J has a chance to become an elite receiver. I do not think he is elite at this time. He needs to start making the difficult catches to be considered elite. While it is understandable he dropped the pass where Mayo crushed him, he had no excuse not to catch the pass in the (2nd?) where Fitz threw it to him as he was about to take an unimpeded shot by Mayo, and the ball hit Stevie square in the hands above the DBs head. Stevie has to start making those catches for the Bills to develop a consitently good passing game.
6) As much as I want to buy into Moats as a viable OLB prospect, I perceive he has real difficulties in the run game. He was consistently driven backwards today and was unable to set the edge or disengage from blocks to make tackles. On two occasions he was driven 8 yards down field (granted one of those involved a double team). I want Moats to be an option, but I am concerned about his run play.
7) Can we find someone to cover a tight end? Until we get better coverage LBs and a better big cover safety we will suffer the same fate against any smart team with good receiving TEs.
8) We desperately need a Pass Rusher.
9) Our inside backers were AWFUL today. They got caught up in the wash all day long.
10) Our OLBS may have been worse.
11) The empty backfield on 3rd and short is getting very old.
by WhatGoesAround on Dec 26, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt say it was all about fitz. But the fumbles are on him. His turnovers were gonna kill us no matter what though. I agree other bad things happened.
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 7:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Some very interesting comments. I couldn’t agree more about that terrible play call on 3rd and 5 during the first drive. Belichick hadn’t made his adjustment against our running game at that point and it only made sense to keep pounding it.
We do have someone who can cover a TE — Bryan Scott — and he should be starting instead of Whitner since he makes more big plays, but George Edwards hasn;t figured that out yet.
Stevie J may have a chance to become an elite receiver if he develops better concentration. That’’s his biggest weakness at the moment. But so many of those throws today were into double coverage. With all of our receivers you would think that Fitz could find someone who was single-covered at some point.
Moats shows some promise, but what he really needs is a first-rate pass-rushing OLB on the other side. That would make Moats more effective. Also badly needed is a first-rate ILB. We had a decent one in Andra Davis, but since he went down that position has been lacking, and in a 3-4 that makes a huge difference.
Good comments.
11) The empty backfield on 3rd and short is getting very old.
I will never understand this, it’s a good place for a run, but by going empty backfield you allow the defense to not play the run.
I saw Tasker say the same thing on a broadcast, yet NFL teams still do it on third and short, when a play action pass under center or a run is much more effective, I will NEVER understand it.
4) Chan blew the first drive. The Bills ran the ball down the Pats throat and then he calls a first down fade to Stevie J. who fails to get both feet in bounds. While I did not like the call, I could live with it. The Bills then gain 5 yards running on second doen and face 3rd and 5 inside the NE 20 (maybe 15). Chan calls a pass. I could not believe the call. On 3rd and 5 at that spot on the field and in the game Chan had a chance to call two running plays to pick up 5 yards. Instead of rewarding his line and backs by continuing to play smash mouth football, he took the ball out of their hands and we kicked a FG. That was horrendous play calling in my book.
Big time.
Or a run and a PA pass since the pats like to bite on play action, too bad our coaching staff couldn’t figure it out.
1) Fitz threw two horrible picks. The sideline pick and the tipped attempt to squeeze the ball down the seam through 5 defenders were awful.
You can see how the hoodie made adjustments from the first game.
In the first game he played a bunch of cover two, this time he cheated the middle coverage to the sidelines to provide underneath help on sideline passes out of the spread and Fitz didn’t see it on the pick.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Gronko, didn’t play in 08 b/c he was coming off a blown up knee, may be wrong but i’m pretty sure of that. Aaron Hernandez went in the 4th, would’ve made since to pick him as well. Oh and for some reason, everyone in the league loves to trade picks to N.E., i don’t get it but i guess it’s a rich get richer situation… Lucky pats.
Fresnobillsfan
by Frenobillsfan on Dec 26, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
So embarrassing
The disgrace of the 2010 draft makes the future look utterly hopeless and obviously, the present is a travesty. With the progress the Rams and Lions have made this year and with the semi-recent success of the Panthers and Bengals, Buffalo appears to be the absolute worst franchise in the NFL.
"There's only one C.J. Spiller." -Buddy Nix
Haha. This is so melodramatic I would assume you are kidding. Sure we got slammed by the pats. Primarily because our qb played his worst game of the year. Try and keep some perspective folks. It aint good but it also aint the whole story.
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Wait. Didnt we beat the Lions? Arent we 4-3 over the last 7 games? Sure today was absolutely terrible and we were beat on almost every aspect fo the game. But to say that there hasnt been progress this year and that we are the worst franchise because of one terrible game against the franchise of the decade is ridiculous. Lets evaluate the season as a whole instead of viewing the season as just this one game.
by Xaviermw on Dec 27, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You want to evaluate the season on the whole...........
yet you just hand-picked the (4-3 in the last 7 games)
4-11 speaks volumes……….IMO.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 27, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think what he is saying is that there has been improvement. This team was 0-8 then has gone 4-3 over the last 7. That shows improvement, which is contrary to what Port Royal just said.
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by sireric on Dec 27, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Improvement?
Or playing against horrible teams? And I don’t think you can look at how this team played the Pats early in the season and then how they played them yesterday and say this team has shown any improvement.
by twoeightnine on Dec 27, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ralph Wilson
better not say they’re close, and only a couple players away from competing.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:47 PM EST reply actions
I just hope Ralph hasn't changed his tune about needing a QB.
That is def the right track. Was happy to hear him say that.
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by StroudFanClub on Dec 26, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have a bad feeling.
We take Christian Ponder in the 2nd to be our QB of the future.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Gag me with a spoon
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Dec 26, 2010 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y
There are other things you can do with a spoon (dirty puns not intended)
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by NordicBillsfan on Dec 26, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I hear Ralphie is particularly enamored with Cam Newton.
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by BuffaloBlueBlood on Dec 26, 2010 4:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's because
he confused him with Juice Newton.
by MtJulietTNBillsFan on Dec 26, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take her!!!
anyone my age that didn’t have the hots for her is comatose…
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beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
I figured a loss today....
but expected a better effort and intensity. Fitz coughed up a ham bone in this game. His passes alone could have put out 2 good receivers for the game. I don’t know if he had a stiff neck or what but Fitz better learn to look off the safety better. I’ve seen him do it numerous times before but not so well this game. The offense put the defense in an insurmountable hole and giving NE fantastic field position. Not to let the defense off the hook for their miserable play but they never had a chance.
Do you think Whitner cried today?
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions
Yes.
"Ability without character will lose. The Bills are going to be a team of high character. That stamp I will push very hard. I hope we can convey that to our fans and project something very special to the rest of the nation." - Marv Levy
by BuffaloBlueBlood on Dec 26, 2010 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There’s only one C.J. Spiller – Buddy Nix
Thank god for that, if we had two, it would be double the fumbles.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
LOL....rec'd
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I love all the negative comments on here like it’s just the Bills the Pats are whipping on. Like it’s an isolated incident or something
Pats have won:
31-27 last week against GB, 36-7 the week before against Chicago, 45-3 against the Jets, 45-24 against the Lions.
This is the best team in the NFL and they are whipping on playoff teams and destroying non-playoff teams.
I don’t understand the “same old same old” – if anything it’s the Pats that are doing this to the NFL and not the Bills being a super terrible team. If this was their only blow out then sure – but they’ve scored almost 40 pts on average the last 4 games against all kinds of talented defenses.
I don’t see how NE doesn’t win the SB at this point in landslide – they’re simply unstoppable right now.
South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight
by J2 on Dec 26, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Then I hope you enjoy the fact that the Bills are never going anywhere.
If you can’t compete with the cream of the crop you’ll never get close to the top.
by twoeightnine on Dec 26, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I get that we aren’t good unless we beat good teams ( kind of obvious but okay). But we are never going anywhere? Holy hyperbole
by greysquirrel on Dec 26, 2010 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that’s kind of my point – no one is really competing with them at this point.
New England is 2 or 3 steps ahead of the rest of the NFL right now. Maybe the Falcons or Eagles but other than that they are literally in a class of their own.
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by J2 on Dec 26, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Its a three year process whenever you rebuild from scratch. This year was all about getting some core guys and trying to learn how to compete/win a few games. Next year is all about racking up more wins regardless of the level of the competition. I feel like Buffalo is poised to be the Bucs of next season. The third year is all about making the playoffs.
by legendmaker53 on Dec 26, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then I guess the Jets (45-3) or the Bears (36-7) arent going anywhere.
by Xaviermw on Dec 27, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, good point...
Wait, we did play them closer, didn’t we, than those two teams. I’m reluctant to take any positives out of this game but I’ll definitely give you that.
by Orlando John on Dec 27, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
that's how i feel about it...
The pats are a frikkin machine right now… It totally sux that they’re the ones we have to compete with just to win a division title. Seems like we actually have a chance to beat all the other afc teams when we play good football. The games against the ravens, steelers, and the chiefs proved that
by Hayze on Dec 26, 2010 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The Bills are staring 1-5 in the division in the face...........another piss poor year in the division.
How is the team ever going to be good if they cant even be meddling in their own division?
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
good point...
I’m expecting that will be better next year. I know we’re not knocking the pats off anytime soon, but I believe we have the ability to be 2nd best in the division next season.
by Hayze on Dec 26, 2010 5:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lol – well I personally would like to separate the first 3 and the 2nd 3 games.
let’s see how we look against the Jets
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by J2 on Dec 26, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Either way people are over reacting. It was an ugly game. No doubt, no excuses. But we all knew that the Bills had a way to go before they could compete with the Pats. What did we learn?
Fitz, while exciting and a great story this year continues to prove he can lose you as many games as he wins. We need a QB.
Spiller needs to learn ball security. On the first drive he looked like a productive back, made some decent catches throughout the day and has shown flashes of improvement. Nope, still haven’t seen the home run hitter from pre-season but I’ve been encouraged by this game for him. However, they need to teach him how to hold the damn ball.
fitz hada horrendous game and people want to write him off already and see Brohm?
REALLY?
goin into the game we knew the bills NEEDED TO RUN to keep sheddin clock time. after the first series, they spread everyone out. i dont care if they show you run defense, try and knock em dead runnin, then work your pass.
they abandoned the run and we get left with 5 turnovers from one player. i cannot see writing fitzpatrick off and jumping ship. i mean he has made mistakes but what else can he possibly do this season to show he can be the man the next couple years?? fitz had a bad game, the entire team had a bad game, whitner had a BAD game. i mean really, all over the board including penalties.
lets stop lookin for a scapegoat and man up and take this loss. even peyton manning had consecutive horrible games.
human nature
fitz hada horrendous game and people want to write him off already and see Brohm?
Yeah Really.
You can be smart and read defenses and make good decisions, but his accuracy is below average on a good day and horrendous on a day like today.
Brohm’s problem seems to be decision making, reading defenses, but has a better arm, better accuracy. Let’s see if he has gotten better at decision making and reading defenses because he has a good arm, not a backup’s arm like Fitz, that’s why he was a 2nd round pick instead of a 7th
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, don't buy it.
There’s got to be a reason why he’s never gotten the nod unless the coach has had a proverbial gun to his head. Besides, Trent has a better arm than Ryan, right?
I still say, even after this game, the starting job is Ryan’s to lose. And I see absolutely no point in having him lose it for one game if there’s a chance they have a project QB next year.
Of course this seemed to be a big ‘prove John wrong’ day all over the place… Ryan gives back the ball five times on the one hand, and on the other hand last year’s number one looked damn good making everyone hope against hope that Carolina passes on Luck. (I still feel like he’s not going to declare, and I don’t know if we’ll have the chance for someone worth a top-five then… though Newton I’d be willing to stretch for.) So yeah, maybe Brohm is the next Stevie-level diamond in the rough.
I still feel like he’s the next Trent though. Don’t ask me why.
by Orlando John on Dec 27, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
There’s got to be a reason why he’s never gotten the nod unless the coach has had a proverbial gun to his head. Besides, Trent has a better arm than Ryan, right?
Problem with Trent, wasn’t his arm, and it was better than Ryan.
Problem with Trent was he was gun shy after getting his clock cleaned by Adrian Wilson, once he was knocked out by AW, Trent was never the same, nothing like that ever happened to Brohm.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 27, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Hard for me to get excited about a top pick next year when I consider.....
….our brilliant history the past six years:
2010 – C.J. Spiller, Clemson
2009 – Aaron Maybin, Penn State
2008—Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
2007—Marshawn Lynch, RB, California
2006—Donte Whitner, S, Ohio St John McCargo, DT, North Carolina St (from Chicago)
2005—NO PICK
LOL.............
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Just threw up in my mouth again
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Stop it! You are making me sadder than I already am.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 26, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Wow thats terrible........this has to change
the sun shines on a dogs butt sometimes
Rrrawrrrr, rrrawrrr like a dungeon dragon-Busta Ryhmes
This just hurts. I'm sorry Rumblers but I'm crushed
That’s like a cold shower.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
It Was an Absolutely Embarrasement!
this defeat falls fully on the feet of the offense. Seven, count ’em, seven turnovers. Are you kidding me?
I didn’t really expect to win against this Pats team, but my God: Why didn’t we even show up for this game, in front of your home town fans? Hang your collective heads in shame Bills, especially the pathetic offense! Dropped passes, fumbles, interceptions…pathetic!
Some of the comments are pitiful....
just like a lot of the ones I read during the game… Can’t stand the Bills??? Go away now please, and let the real fans post…
Really want to beat the Pats? Ya gotta beat the NFL then, and their officials in particular… Just go back to the Raisins game… 2 bad calls against us, yet we still almost won…. This game, well, Billicheat must have nekid pics of all the officials or something, cause almost every play they were on offense, that vaunted O line was blatantly holding our rushers…. Then, when we were on offense, during the game, how often did folks question if a defender had interfered? But it’s more than that when you realize it…. Bad, I mean really bad officiating has followed us all year…
Only when, we play well enough to beat the officials, can we beat the Pats along with the rest of the league… And I’ve watched too many Pat games this year to think today was a fluke…
Come playoff time, watch the Pats!!! Either the officials will continue to screw up with non calls that favor NE, or as I hope, the opponent will be complaining throughout the game to the officials, and pointing out the fouls… It might be the only way to knock the Pats and the NFL by proxie, back down to earth…
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cant blame officiating for this game
was the officiating bad yes, however good teams with future HOF QB’s are going to get the benefit of a lot of calls and that is just reality. This game was lost with turnovers plain and simple and that should be the end of that discussion
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by ajred12 on Dec 26, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cinga...
I agree that the officiating was BAD, but that doesn’t excuse 7 turnovers. We shot ourselves in the foot today with miserable play on the offensive side of the ball!
your right...
We shot ourselves in the foot today with miserable play on the offensive side of the ball!
in that… 3 undrafted rookies playing wideout, and the right side of our line getting blown up, and replaced by more undrafteds can do that to a team… But that alone didn’t beat us today either…
It wasn’t the officials, nor was it the rooks, or even Fitz… It was a combination of all of it…
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Don't forget...
The Pats are generally good to begin with. I think they’re rolling up to Dallas and then it’ll take a career game from … my brain’s saying Vick, substitute Matt Ryan if you’re more logical than I … to stop them.
by Orlando John on Dec 27, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Freddy and Fitz
ok, u all wanna through fitz under the bus. first of all he was tossin the ball to late round draft picks and undrafted rookies. they arent “play makers”. second, did anyone see the first drive? what happened there? Buffalo had a game plan that lasted one drive. i think we are moving in the right direction, but the staff and the players have to commit to a game plan when its working. steve
ok, u all wanna through fitz under the bus. first of all he was tossin the ball to late round draft picks and undrafted rookies. they arent "play makers"
What does that matter?
When he is constantly throwing balls 3 feet over receivers heads, behind them, and into the ground, his accuracy is not good enough to hit a playmaker on the money, where they can make plays.
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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Ideally I’d say this should finally break the spell that Fitz had the Bills fanbase under despite his mostly mediocre stats this year of him being a future franchise QB – all his flaws came to the forefront today, flaws he’s always had and always will. He forces, he throws inaccurate passes, he tries to do too much on plays leading to stupid turnovers… et al.
I’ve said it all along, the Bills should continue to start Fitz next year but need to draft a QB this year because Fitz won’t take us to the promised land and they need to begin the true future of the position ASAP.
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by UZ on Dec 26, 2010 6:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Quiet Day at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA
I think I found my Bills bar for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, the only thing to cheer about was the first drive.
If there’s a silver lining to this weekend, it would be that Arizona and Detroit won, thereby moving the Bills up two spots. If my calculations are correct, would mean that the Bills would draft 4th overall, if the season ended today. I haven’t been a fan of ‘playing for the draft,’ and would still love to see us beat the Jets, but going .500 the last half of the season, showing a lot of promise, and landing a top 5 pick seems to be a good balance.
Quiet Day at Grevey’s in Falls Church, VA
Where the heck is Greevey’s?
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Grevey's is located...
Just outside the Beltway on Gallows road just off 50 West (i.e. just West of the Beltway). There’s a huge section (c. 10 screens) for Bills fans only. The rest of the bar is pretty cool, but it’s not really ideal if you’re not a Bills fan. I just heard about it this past week and went for the first time today with some friends who aren’t Bills fans. They liked it and we’ll probably go back.
Man I’ve tried to find that place on two different occasions and my GPS keeps directing me to a vacant lot on RT 50, North East of the 495 Interchange. Arrgh!!
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Directions to Grevey's
Montel – it’s easiest coming from Route 50. If you take Gallows Rd exit and go North, you then turn right into the first parking lot. It’s there on your right.
http://www.greveys.com/ContactUs.html
There’s a solid base of Bills fans there, even this late in the season. Hope you can make it!
Luther, I’m in Buffalo this week so Greveys will have to wait until next year. Wow, I was going to DC or Vienna to watch the games. I HATED THE PLACE IN VIENNA, there was a DJ there who constantly ragged on the Bills. The place picked by the DC Bills backers was downtown and parking was expen$ive!
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Ha!
“Gallows Road”…a perfect place for Bills fans, especially after today. Got noose?
What we call our despair is often only the painful eagerness of unfed hope.
The Bills could pick anywhere from 2-11 depending on what happens next week.
Could you imagine picking 11???? Again, after this year?
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
omg picking 11th after the year we had would kill me.
Literally going winless for the first 8 games and having no playoff hopes…..to picking 11th in the draft? I would be furious. Just a terrible way to play out a season.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 26, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of crazy stuff would have to happen for the Bills to pick 11 though.......
It’s more likely to be anywhere from 2-9.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Ingram
will still be there!
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Gotta take him....BPA :-)
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Can you imagine a team like Seattle may go to the playoffs with a losing record, AND have a decent draft pick to boot?!
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not anymore.
The first 20 picks are non playoff teams.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I can't even believe that if we win one more
we’re not going to probably be a top 5 pick. unbelievable. well, here’s hoping Freddie rips off for 108 rushing yards next week to eclipse a 1000 again…and we lose the game.
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by NordicBillsfan on Dec 26, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One of those things is likely to happen.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
missing out on a top 5 pick with one more win?
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by NordicBillsfan on Dec 26, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Nope “and we lose the game.” Rex Ryan will not want to lose to the Bills. It would do bad things for their playoff run, in my opinion.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, Detroit, Cinci, Denver, and Arizona all won....great day for the Bills draft position!!
Now how’s THAT for some optimism!
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 26, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow
Granted it was against a bad D, but
308 passing 1 TD 1INT 27 rushing yards and 1TD on the ground.
I’m shocked Tebow got 300 yards in his 2nd start.
Still a small sample, but you Tebow fans may have been right.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Good for Tebow.......
I hope he does well……..
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 26, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. I am def rooting for Tebow to succeed. Love watching that guy play.
Envious of Denver fans for that reason alone (getting to root for Tebow). Such a passionate competitor. Easy to root for.
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 27, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like Denver fans are becoming "believers of the Tebow movement":
great article over at Mile High Report
Well, for a QB class (2010) that was described as very weak in NFL prospects, it sure is showing some signs of life….(Bradford, Tebow, McCoy?….). Guess “measurables” aren’t always better than intangibles and “winning”
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 27, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Wished the Bills had just taken him at pick #9...(sigh)
"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde
by StroudFanClub on Dec 27, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But then we would have had to pass on Spiller.....how would we have replaced his production?????
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
but you Tebow fans may have been right.
we were right about him… but your right about it still being a small sample, I just hope it’s not one that comes back to bite us in a few years….
Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!
but but but....he sucks...and ummmmmm you can't learn anything from one game....
and he will never fix his throwing motion……and ….ummmmm…..CHIX didn’t want him anyway
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
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by Joe P. on Dec 26, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and ummmmmm you can’t learn anything from one game….
I didn’t think Tebow would be an NFL QB.
But you can learn something from one game.
And that is if he deserves to start another game, to see if they can do it on a long term basis, by getting a larger sample size.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
But you can learn something from one game.
lots of sarcasm in my post
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.
If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM
I know
The reply was for all the In Chix we trust kool-aid drinkers, who think we shouldn’t give Brohm a start against the Jets, we already know Fitz sucks against them, Brohm might not or he may suck like Fitz, gotta play him to find out.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll say this, the worst that can happen is we will end up losing.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
And the best that can happen.
Is Brohm rips them apart and get serious consideration as an option to start going into training camp next year.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
And then he bottoms out ...
And Ryan knows Chan doesn’t have any confidence in him and we’re screwed?
By the way, I should reiterate I’m probably biased against Brohm because eight out of ten people selected Ryan to be the one cut after nine out of ten selected Trent to be the starter in the respective polls. (After 8-13 as a starter versus 1-7… well I’ll just say I was right about that but admit it’s not quite gloating territory. But I’m starting to wish we’d taken Tim even at 9.)
by Orlando John on Dec 27, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
And Ryan knows Chan doesn’t have any confidence in him and we’re screwed?
Isn’t Brohms contract up this year?
It wouldn’t mean they have no confidence in Fitz to give Brohm a start, just an evaluation to decided if they want to extend Brohm as a backup and see how his progress is against live action if he might be more than a backup with further development, it’s not like we are playing for anything next Sunday, except pride.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 27, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Well, point taken
But I just don’t see that much in Brohm, to be truthful. I’m pretty sure Chix doesn’t, either, which is the real point. To be honest, I don’t know what we could see in him at all, he had an abysmal start against the Falcons last year, and has he even played any in the pros other than this?
by Orlando John on Dec 27, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Oddly enough, he still was holding the ball too low judging from the highlights. Thing is, the ball didn’t seem to care.
by Orlando John on Dec 27, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I was a bit of one...
I was disappointed to see him go. And if he did survive to the 41st pick, I’d have loved to have had him on the team, no matter what Troup may be capable of doing. (Being a run-stopper, I’d say he may yet pan out, but I’d still prefer to have Tim.) Oh well, though, I do think the draft will be enough for Ryan to get us to .500 next year… this game doesn’t make me feel optimistic about him being able to do better than that without world-class people all around him, though.
by Orlando John on Dec 27, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
SFC
It looks like we are moving up to #2!! Yay Bills!!
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Heh, an appropriate number. =)
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Panthers have #1 pick
Bills up to #2 if all the others win? Who knows how that works? Bengals, Lions and Broncos all winning.
Glad we lost like this in a way
now we are sure that we are not good enough to compete with the big boys, but perhaps a good rebound agaisnt the Jets next week can show that we are resilient enough to turn it around for next year…
I am hopeful fr next year if we have a good offseason.. Go Bills
Go Bills because I'm a blind homer... sort of
Fitz
You can’t condemn him for one really bad game just like you can’t anoint him for one brilliant game.
True
You can’t condemn him for one really bad game just like you can’t anoint him for one brilliant game.
I always expect Fitz to throw one flutter ball and one very inaccurate pass every game. I keep my fingers crossed in the hopes that he will do it in the first quarter, giving us enough time to overcome his errant throws. Unfortunately, you can’t do that against NE and expect to make up for it later on. with the PATS, there is no later on.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
It’s just amazing to me that so many are calling for Brohm after most have been saying that Fitz needs to be the guy for a few years to build the rest of the team and figure out who will be the franchise guy at QB.
The people calling for Brohm
are people like me who have always said Fitz is a backup at best.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think Fitzpatrick needs to finish the season. You don’t do that to the team right before they all pack their bags for the season. How much faith in the system will other players have if Gailey benches Fitz off a bad game against the best team in the league?
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's not about benching Fitz.
It’s about finding out if Brohm has a future here. We already know what Fitz can and cannot do, we can’t say the same for Brohm.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think Gailey knows at this point how he will move forward with regards to Brohm. I don’t think he’ll need the next game to observe him.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent point!!!
I think it’s more that the fans want to know what they have in Brohm, more than Gailey needs to see….
Went to my first "BB" meeting today... When I stood, introduced myself, and admitted I was a Billsaholic, the other members threw beer cans at me!!
I think Gailey knows at this point how he will move forward with regards to Brohm. I don’t think he’ll need the next game to observe him.
I agree, Gailey took a very close look at Brohm during the pre-season. If you recall he even brought him into camp early to see what he had to offer and he could not out perform Fitz and Edwards.
IMHO the Bills should dump Brohm, and Brown (I was a big time Brohm backer!), draft a 1st and sixth round player to develop as franchise QB while Fitz manages the team.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
Gailey can’t figure out how to get his team to throw a play action pass against the Patriots who are the worst against it.
So maybe he should give Brohm a start against the Jests.
Fitz in 3 games against them hasn’t done crap.
Some players don’t look great in practice, but are gamers if given the chance to play, maybe Gailey should do his due dilligence and find out if Brohm is a gamer.
Or he could just start Fitz and never know.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fitz needs to finish the season if for no other reason than he’s the starter next year, and continuity during a rebuild is important.
If Brohm Starts
It’ll make me a sad panda!
All hail the victory lighter!!
by brendar of the bills people on Dec 27, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't have the priviledge to watch this game
Can someone give a short recap beyond this write-up? How were the interceptions? Terrible passes? Off receiver’s hands? How the heck did we only muster 3 points?
Ryan Fitzpatrick -- Buffalo's new flavor at QB -- Diet Flutie
I didn’t think all of the INTs were bad. He does force things, obviously. His scramble was a thing of beauty right before he fumbled. I’ll have him do that 99 more times if i’m his coach. He shows heart like few others. It was a heady play by NE…the ball was tucked. But the INTs, there were both terrible ones and unlucky ones today.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
How bout Stevie?
Anymore easy drops?
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by NordicBillsfan on Dec 26, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
No, he did have a tough one on a huge hit by (I think) Mayo. Absolutely huge hit. It appears Stevie gave Welker the drops for Christmas. What a nice gift.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he can always get better at catching a la Josh Reed.
Thanks for all the info on the game.
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by NordicBillsfan on Dec 26, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Short Recap
NE came, kicked but and left.
The end.
"Being a Bills Fan is a Tough Job for Tough People…" – Luther6
by Montel on Dec 26, 2010 7:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Was Fitzy bad because he's Fitzy?
Or did he get the usual 2 second treatment from the O-Line?
Ryan Fitzpatrick -- Buffalo's new flavor at QB -- Diet Flutie
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 26, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
He was bad because he’s fitz the inaccurate.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
PFT says Pats stuck in Rochester
Anyone have any hotel connections to figure out where? They must be doing some serious partying
It was Cookie's turn to lead the "easiest exercise" during the Monday practice after a game-- he said-- "we're going to do deep breathing--everybody inhale--dehale "---As told by Jack Kemp at my high school sports banquet circa 1966.
They’re at the Hyatt Regency downtown. A bunch of them are at the bar, and there’s a bunch of ho’s down there (don’t know who called all the ho’s). Brady is holing up in his room.
Too bad they’re not at The Cadillac Motel. I’d be half tempted to go down there, but I doubt Giselle is in town.
In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!
Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 26, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Tis the season..........
for Ho Ho Ho’s…………you know.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 27, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
Well for those who said Fitz is the future there ya go
Fitz certainly is not the future, some poor reads, one of which was where he read Mayo blitzing (which didn’t happen he showed blitz and dropped back in coverage) and left David Nelson out to dry with that pass that got him injured by taking a double shot by Mayo and the safety, he also left Donald Jones and a few other guys out to dry on some other passes. Missed some open opportunities because of his innacuracy and poor touch on deep throws. All in all Fitz is what we said he is a good backup, passable starter while we DRAFT our QB OF THE FUTURE and let him sit and learn behind Fitz for a yr or so. That having been said I certainly don’t think it is a good idea to bench Fitz the last game of the yr and start Brohm it’d be meaningless. Next yr you draft your QB of the future and have a 3 way open competition (a real one!) with Fitz the leading man going in between Fitz, Brohm, and your drafted QB. Let’s see it Buffalo!
"I promise you, ... When I come back, I'm going to be like a mad dog in a meat house." -Takeo Spikes
That having been said I certainly don’t think it is a good idea to bench Fitz the last game of the yr and start Brohm it’d be meaningless
No it wouldn’t,
Fitz has had 3 starts against the Jets, all pretty bad, I think giving Brohm a start would help to evaluate him against Fitz. If Brohm has a fitzlike performance, than we know his future isn’t here, but if he lights it up, maybe going into next year, we should be working harder developing Brohm.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Correction
Fitz has had 3 starts
He had two starts, his first game he came in for an injured trent, but he still did bad in the other two games with first team reps.
Kylesaurus Rex Williams Pro Bowl 2010
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 26, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
1 game will tell you nothing
if Brohm lights it up people will say well Fitz could have done the same or better if Brohm does nothing then people will be ready to write him off immediately. It’s a bad situation for both….you leet them duel it out next year in the offseason
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by panekattack on Dec 27, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
So who is the whipping boy this week.
I have read so many suggestions. Boy if we had a franchise QB we may have won this game. Maybe we should draft one!!! Theres an idea huh.
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by VanScottM on Dec 26, 2010 8:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Forgot to bring this up...but with David Nelson injured
are we calling up Paul Hubbard or going with CJ Spiller as 4th WR?
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The Key to the Pats' Success is their Offensive Line; Our Offensive Line = HORRIBLE
Week in and week out for the last 10 years, the Bills’ no-name losers commit penalties and protect no one. It doesn’t matter which 1st round draft pick QB gets put under center for the Bills. No one can be expected to play well and have success with an inconsistent offensive line.
Tom Brady, oth, has all the time in the world to pick-up his routine, 10 yard completions. He has had a great offensive line since he has been in the NFL. The last time he had a really poor game was in the Super Bowl against the Giants. The Giants blitzed almost every down, and they wore out the Pats’ offensive line. I don’t know why other teams don’t attempt that strategy against the Pats more often.
by Bruce Smith's Shoe on Dec 26, 2010 9:33 PM EST reply actions
Are the Jets sending out all starters next week?
Are they going all out?
"I'm gonna get drunk and play video games till my eyes bleed"- It's Always Sunny in Philly
damn patriots always have our number….it was a tough one to watch…
can anyone tell me what’s our draft position after this weekend? are we at number 4 or 5?
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Fourth so far.
We can theoretically go down to eleventh with a win next week… seriously I’d still give it everything anyway, not throwing in subs until the game’s out of reach, but I’d almost … almost … join the crowds of doomsayers if we slipped that bad.
by Orlando John on Dec 27, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
8 or 9 is more realistic if the Bills win............
2-3 is realistic if they lose………..so yeah next week result could have huge implications.
The score dictated they pass
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 27, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
well hoping that my team loses may be unpopular, but i want andrew luck. and if losing last game gives us better shot at drafting him so be it.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
I want them to take Luck, Locker or a lineman in the first.
by Orlando John on Dec 27, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
I didn’t see the game at all, merely followed it on my phone, because of a late-Christmas party at people who don’t feel it necessary to pay for the NFL Sunday Ticket. Savages.
But from what I was seeing on the phone it had to have been brutal. I even stopped following after the fourth TD… and I must admit that I’ve lost a lot of my faith in Fitz from what I saw. He’s a gunslinger, of course, and gunslingers that don’t think about their tosses lose games against good and even average teams. Now I want to believe he can figure this out and settle down, but I’m not nearly as confident.
Thing is, he didn’t blow the coverage in the end zone twice like I saw on the highlights. The defense is a monster priority next year, so much so that I’d almost take a chance on Locker slipping to the second round. Though I’ll admit it. If Luck slips to fifth because those ahead of us have absolutely no need at QB (I’m presuming an advance of one just to be safe), GRAB him and give him any and all garbage time in the first half of the season. If he’s tearing it up then, #… for some reason I’m seeing him in a #15 or #16 (if they don’t want to offend the Kemps) … gets the job by the end of the year.
I really don’t see Brohm as the solution, but I guess I’ll have to agree to disagree with a bunch of people on that. I don’t see him as a Luck, Locker, Newton, or Mallet, anyway. Maybe a Ponder.
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