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Bills vs. Jets: C.J. Spiller Gets Encouragement From LaDainian Tomlinson

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You don't need to be reminded that Buffalo Bills running back C.J. Spiller has had a tough rookie season. The ninth overall pick this past April has just two touchdowns and 435 total offensive yards in 2010, as he's struggled to assimilate to the NFL.

Back in Week 4, the New York Jets crushed the Bills at Ralph Wilson Stadium, 38-14. Marshawn Lynch was Buffalo's starting running back that day, and Spiller touched the ball just three times (for 15 yards) in that game. Meanwhile, he watched as future Hall of Fame back LaDainian Tomlinson ripped through the Bills to the tune of 155 total yards and two touchdowns.

After that game, Tomlinson had words of wisdom to share with Spiller.

"I had the opportunity to meet him after the first game and the thing he told me is it’s a long career, don’t let this one season define the type of player you are," Spiller told reporters Wednesday. "That was probably the most encouraging thing, coming from a future Hall of Fame running back like him, for him to come to me and say that."

Spiller's Bills and Tomlinson's Jets square off again in this Sunday's regular season finale.

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Okay, I'll start

We had the opportunity to draft the best running back in the draft. The first one off the board. A kid who had a stellar career in college. A Tim Tebow of RB’s, a potential Chris Johnson clone etc… Okay now the rest of you can chime in.

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by VanScottM on Dec 30, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

For the record

I still like the pick. And I hate when people reply to themselves.

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by VanScottM on Dec 30, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Well he hasn't shown any of that college ability

So it’d be nice if that would happen at some point!!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I still like the pick

but am equally dissappointed in results. With that said I wasn’t expecting as much as most but definately more than we seen. My concern is why more so than he was a wrong pick.

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by VanScottM on Dec 30, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

And the more he plays in the NFL, the more he’s likely to get away from the style of play that made him a star in college. College and pro ball are two different beasts. Let’s hope Spiller isn’t one of those players unable to make the transition. It’s so beyond early, but the alarm has been set. A RB shouldn’t struggle like this early on if they have what it takes. Best isn’t doing much better, and he’s a similar back. It’s all very interesting to me.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Best

He’s certainly struggled as those turf toe injuries have really slowed him down. BUT he’s also made a handful of big plays, something Spiller has yet to do. If Best can ever remain healthy his ceiling is certainly quite high based on what we’ve seen. Spiller, on the other hand, hasn’t shown much at all. That’s why I find his play so concerning.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’ll knock his play down with the best of them right now, but he did have a long punt (or was it kick) return and that 41 yard catch was something…I guess.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

but neither play was anything special

Nor did they end in a TD…..

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yup. Hopefully you and I will be able to look back on his rookie season and say “Which one’s not like the others?”

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy for Tomlinson to say....

He never struggled when he came into the league.

Spiller has been so disappointing this year. It’s not even the running between the tackles since many didn’t believe he’d be able to do that. It’s the complete lack of big plays. He hasn’t really even been close to breaking anything big offensively and has shown none of that speed he’s supposed to have. It’d be nice if he had flashed some ability this season, but he hasn’t, and I think that should be concerning….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

My question is why does an NFL team draft a RB #9 if most outsiders think the player will struggle to run between the tackles? Why was he the best player if he’s situationally adept? BPA to me means best all-around player.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I would love to hear Nix answer this.....

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

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by Joe P. on Dec 30, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe someone should ask him. He’s pretty direct.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I suppose the answer is

he still has the speed and elusiveness that he had in college. it may take time to develop as an inside runner, but when he does, he’ll be an inside runner with elite speed and elusiveness.

Ryan Fitzpatrick -- Buffalo's new flavor at QB -- Diet Flutie

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 30, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Spiller hasn't developed much as a runner peroid. If he has an outside running game,

I would like to see more of it. Maybe then he wouldn’t be as big a disappointment. As near as I can tell, the only thing Spiller has gotten better at is fumbling.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM

by Joe P. on Dec 30, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He did. Last April.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It is not April anymore......let him answer it again.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM

by Joe P. on Dec 30, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Why, so you can blather on again?

All you armchair GMs and HCs love to take potshots at other people’s jobs. I would love to see you guys sitting in that same hot seat. It’s a lot easier to criticize from the LA-Z-Boy.

by thefourwinds on Dec 30, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Brian is welcome to give Ralph my email address.....I will take the job...we can talk numbers later.

The pot shots are part of the job. I have been “the guy” at my level and taken more heat than you know. If you can’t take the heat, get the F….. out of the kitchen.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

If the ship has turned a corner it’s probably still uncomfortably close to the iceberg. - Ron From NM

by Joe P. on Dec 30, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I will take the job…we can talk numbers later.

Ah, see, it’s not that easy. You actually have to prove to someone who has the ability to hire you that you’re worth hiring.

If you can’t take the heat, get the F….. out of the kitchen.

Who said they can’t? I don’t see any of them wilting under the comments on this blog.

by thefourwinds on Dec 31, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Why are you getting so upset about people expressing THEIR OPINIONS?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 31, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Calm down. See K’s post.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Calm down.

I have been, and continue to remain, perfectly calm about this.

See K’s post.

See my response to K’s post.

by thefourwinds on Dec 31, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

… you didn’t respond to K’s post.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Wish I knew!

Many of us were questioning his between the tackles ability well before the draft. I wish I knew what they saw that made them believe he was more than a scat back/return man…..

I would love Nix if he answered this question straight up. Doubt that would happen though.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I would love Nix if he answered this question straight up. Doubt that would happen though.

Well I doubt it too – because someone would have to ask the question first and who knows if the media will….

South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight

by J2 on Dec 30, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Not that he’d answer but it would be great if a local media guy would bite the bullet and ask that.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sal Maiorana or Jerry Sullivan might have the stones to do it.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Too bad we don’t have the “Ask Coach Mularky” thing with Nix. I’d ask the question without reservation.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that we should all keep this in mind once people start posting the Youtube videos of all the college highlights come pre-draft time. Those things can make anyone look like the greatest thing since sliced bread. And I admit after watching a few of those Spiller videos, I was sold hook, line & sinker. Fool me once…

by billskk69 on Dec 30, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Those youtube videos are nothing BUT highlights. Of course everyone looks great in them. I doubt scouts watch that stuff in that form. They likely watch game tape to see how a player performs over the course of a game, a season, a tenure.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that. But from a fans stand point, it can be a little deceiving. I for one never had a chance to watch Spiller in game time action, so that’s all I had to go on.

by billskk69 on Dec 30, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too. I do still enjoy watching Tim Tebow highlights. Good times.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep. They are a lot of fun to watch. I just think we all need to take them with a huge boulder of salt. That’s all.
I still have hope that Spiller will figure things out & start to produce. Which is more than I can say for a couple other recent first rounders.

by billskk69 on Dec 30, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Tim Tebow has looked pretty darn good so far for Denver.

by thefourwinds on Dec 30, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was never really impressed with his highlight tapes

I never thought he was all that shifty for such a “speed back”, nor did I see his ability to make defenders miss or break tackles. I took a lot of flak for that, and I still hope he proves us all wrong. He really needs to become more of a one cut runner like Jackson, which will utilize his quickness and give him the chance to get upfield quicker while dancing a lot less.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I thought I was the only one. I had been afraid to say it, but I wasn’t overly impressed with those highlights. I’m not saying he’s a bad player. He’s not. But he’s clearly not the type of player who can dominate simply on ability.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn’t agree more. I hope for the same thing. And as far as the breakaway speed, I wonder how much of that has to do with Spiller’s actual speed, or how much slower the other collegiate athletes were in comparison.

by billskk69 on Dec 30, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

All I know is that the Rams have a player who caught up to a jailbreak by Jamaal Charles. Whoever that guy is, has incredible speed.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm…I missed that one. But that would be impressive. Charles is extremely fast.

by billskk69 on Dec 30, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I just kept saying “wow, wow, wow” out loud.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Double rainbow? LOL

by billskk69 on Dec 30, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Should I get this? LOL

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes you should. YouTube it.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not rated "X" or anything you can't ask or tell about is it.

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by VanScottM on Dec 30, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all. Just very hilarious.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh how I wish I wasn’t at work. (Many reasons to feel this way.) Mainly because my stupid computer can’t play videos of any kind. I guess that’s a good thing because i’d like be even less productive more often.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

that was ridiculous. I remember saying on twitter. “so and so announcer just said Jamaal Charles is gone, uncatchable… but he was stopped at the 2 or 3 or something.”

by twoeightnine on Dec 30, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Charles was dealing with cramps in that game. A fully-hydrated Charles blows that guy out by 20 yards.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I never thought he was all that shifty for such a "speed back"

Since when are shiftiness and speed the same thing?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Well i never said they were

Usually guys that have good speed are also at least somewhat shifty. We also heard that Spiller was pretty good in this area coming out of Clemson. Either way, he hasn’t shown any elusiveness or ability to make anyone miss. That’s the point.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Um…what about preseason against the Colts? Ok, that’s not during the reg. season, but he was playing against the Colts’ starters.

by thefourwinds on Dec 30, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Just some observations

C.J. has been overwhelmed with the physicality of the NFL.

C.J. has been overwhelmed with the speed of the NFL.

C.J. has been very slow picking up the total responsibility of the RB in the NFL.

C.J. lacks much strength and durability to be a featured back.

I believe he can still adjust but it may be a slower process that first thought at this point. Maybe to the point of a couple seasons to get to where he needs to be and that time period can either be his achilles heal or his motivation to succeed.

I say all this as a full supporter of the pick, also. So the pie is right there in front of my face.

YOU ARE OUT of you kuku fufu mine craker laker Flaber baber FUNKI chunki brain. WE want to winn every year -- abayarde

by VanScottM on Dec 30, 2010 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Spiller may finally get it just as his contract is about to run out, bringing an end to his career as a Buffalo Bill.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I really think the criticism is silly.....

Bottom line, IMO, starting RB position is Freddie’s. No hand injury and he starts all 16 games, Lynch gets the boot earlier than he did and CJ keeps learning behind a great person and above average RB in Fred Jackson.

Everyone needs to just Chill on this guy. He was not a REEEEEEACH like number 58, he was the BPA and no one can argue that at that time. He showed his stuff in the preseason, albeit against 2nd stringers (who may infact be starting this season with all the injuries that have occured league wide). And his returns have showed his ability in the open space(that is not the reason we drafted him tho).

Let’s be happy we have a Stud at RB now and his protege in the making in CJ…

by MikeEverett08 on Dec 30, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Spiller wasn’t a reach, but he’s not reaching his potential one bit.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

few things

Very over hyped when drafted. Love the pick, infact even called it out to my so called guru friend. Give him time.

Still playing off instinct… Just until the last few games is he north south. Still used to beating everyone on the edge, or with a quick juke.

Overwhelmed entirely this year. I appreciate chanimaniac throwin the entire playbook at the kid and giving him touches in punts and kickoffs. He NEEDS to be exposed. Once he is used to it do NOT be surprised if we see mckelvin back returning again.

The way they have used spiller this year I am fine with. Get him touches, get him used to everyone on the field being fast.

by sketchydave on Dec 30, 2010 10:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I bet it's his blocking.

Gailey needs his running backs to be able to pick up blitzes and do a little blocking. Since Jackson is good at that and having another good year I’m sure that’s a factor in his lack of playing time. Plus Spiller probably wants to make the big play and ends up running backwards too many times.

I’m sure he’ll learn and play more.

by Bill Frank on Dec 30, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

Kind of afraid to post this, but...

I’m already more impressed with him than Maybin.

by stetzwebs on Dec 30, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Roosevelt?

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats not saying much

In fact that’s not saying anything at all!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybin’s so insignificant now we barely care to discuss him!

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybin?

He play for the Bill’s?

" All that 8-8 means for a team that needs a QB upgrade is your to good for your own good." Bob Dicesare.

by buffalobacker on Dec 30, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope. He practices and sits.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, that was the point :)

by stetzwebs on Dec 31, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Spiller

needs to hit the hole running, so far this year it looks like he is always trying to break the big one. That will come just run. I watch Best (Lions RB) and there is no dancing its go to the whole as fast and as hard as you can. I would like Buffalo to use him as a Slot WR more I mean vs. the Patriots there was that 41 yard catch, no one can keep up with his speed just a thought.

Overall he will produce for us at sometime, but right now he is number 2 until Jackson is gone or injuried

A man must except his fate or be destroyed by it

by BillsStampede34 on Dec 30, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

To me, he looks like a CB running the football. That’s not a good thing, either.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha

He kind of does. Or at least a WR on a reverse trying to avoid getting crushed.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly! Every time he runs the ball, it looks like a reverse!

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

no one can keep up with his speed just a thought.

Then why was the CB right there with him?

by twoeightnine on Dec 30, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Cameron Wake had no trouble tackling him either. No problem at all, even when he had to cut back.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Still beat him for 41 yards

ball could have not been placed well, slowed up, but still the man is fast

A man must except his fate or be destroyed by it

by BillsStampede34 on Dec 30, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

alright

well either way bet he beats 85% of CBs or DBs just like he did…he caught the ball and was behind the the defender so i believe that qualifies as getting beat.

A man must except his fate or be destroyed by it

by BillsStampede34 on Dec 30, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Spiller inst exactly a polished route runner. Slightest bit of hesitation is going to cost him a step or two.

by Robot Nixon on Dec 30, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

When you “beat” a corner, you get behind him. Spiller did that, no?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really.

You could say he tied him. They were running together almost in-sync down the sideline.

by twoeightnine on Dec 30, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when do runningbacks have long careers?

LdT is the exception, not the rule. If you don’t produce you will be replaced in a heartbeat. Yeah, I know it’s a “long career” in that he shouldn’t let his rookie year get him down but two or three years like this and his long career will be over.

by twoeightnine on Dec 30, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

They used to have long careers. Thurman, Marcus Allen, Emmitt, Barry. (Blasted early retirement!) But I was thinking the same thing. I think if a RB doesn’t produce early and often, his career will be shorter than most. Cedric Benson appears to have bucked that trend, though.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Can’t help but wonder if a RB starting slow while learning behind another quality RB won’t prolong a career. Sharing the load and learning behind Fred may not be the instant production many people expect but it isn’t going to hurt him in the long run.

by Robot Nixon on Dec 30, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No you’re right. The problem comes if he doesn’t improve in the short term, when it’s clear Nix and Gailey thought they were getting a player who could come in and immediately produce.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Still a Believer in Spiller

1. His combination of speed and agility in the role of RB/WR is peerless. He’s as fast as Mike Wallace with better lateral agility. He’s faster than any RB besides Chris Johnson. Anytime he has the chance to move downfield, he’ll beat everyone.

Don’t let disappointment affect your judgment of the guy’s raw potential. It’s huge.

2. It’s hard to break runs when you have 2-3 defenders on you in the backfield. Defenses key on Spiller when he’s in the backfield, and have no problems penetrating our O-line. Of Spiller’s 71 carries, I’d bet 60 of them would have been stuffed even if we had Adrian Peterson on PCP running for us.

3. FJack’s YPC is only 0.4 better than Spiller. Why is he revered while Spiller is maligned? Yeah yeah, FJack is more patient letting the blocking set up and can pass block properly in the back field. Is there any doubt that Spiller can acquire both of these abilities? And isn’t his upside much bigger than FJack’s?

4. The guys is still going to finish his season with 1500+ total yards. So sure he wasn’t a 2,000 yard rusher. But he’s still been an essential part of the team. He’s shown he can play in the NFL. Becoming a star is the next step.

5. The guy’s intangibles are great. He’s a worker, not a prima donna. He has a positive attitude. Whatever his role will be — from all star RB to quirky gadget player — I’m glad to have him on the team.

by Munchausen on Dec 30, 2010 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

It’s hard to break runs when you have 2-3 defenders on you in the backfield. Defenses key on Spiller when he’s in the backfield, and have no problems penetrating our O-line. Of Spiller’s 71 carries, I’d bet 60 of them would have been stuffed even if we had Adrian Peterson on PCP running for us.

Sure, but why does Fred Jackson, a slower, less-touted back have less trouble with this?

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

1500 total yards?

Big deal. The guy barely has 400 total yards on offense, a mediocre average of just over 23 yards per kick return and one big play all year. Those are extremely disappointing numbers.

Spiller has straight line speed, but I have yet to see above average agility or elusiveness.

The 2-3 defenders in the backfield every time he touches it is an exaggeration and an excuse. If he’s so elusive, why isn’t he making anyone miss? We know he doesn’t break tackles, so he has to make tacklers whiff, which he doesn’t do. Plenty of RB’s league-wide consistently avoid defenders in the backfield, why can’t Spiller?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kind of amazing that the shift of “Buffalo Bill we must hate” status has shifted from Maybin to Spiller. Yeah, I get that Maybin is still hated, but it’s not en vogue to hate on him anymore, is it? Spiller’s the guy to bash on the Intertubes these days, right?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

I thunk its because nobody sees any hope with Maybin

He’s a lost cause and rarely sees the field.

There’s still hope with Spiller and there was so much talk from the FO about him being an immediate impact, big play guy, but all he’s been is disappointing. But at least there’s still hope with him!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd......and I don't hate Spiller the person...just the pick

Bills fans would like to see a first rounder actually make an impact for a change……it isn’t Spiller’s fault, but the frustration with first round picks underperforming is definitely building.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

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by Joe P. on Dec 30, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe

Everybody wants “immed.” impact players, to be fair Spiller’s college career pointed to his being that kinda player. Don’t hate pick or player either. Just hate he hasn’t live up to expectations. If Spiller doesn’t improve then yeah that’s his fault. Chan and Nix can only pick-em, not play for them as well. Teams record is crap but teams entertaining by far compared DJ era. Sure, should we of picked a immed. impact player? By all means. When you know how to figure that out pre-draft let me know! Bulaga, hows he impacting his team to date?

" All that 8-8 means for a team that needs a QB upgrade is your to good for your own good." Bob Dicesare.

by buffalobacker on Dec 30, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

starting RT for the Packers, correct?

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
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by Joe P. on Dec 30, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Realy don’t know, thought he was hurt. I’d a loved some line help as well but Chan felt otherwise. Hopefully next year Spiller’s rookie “wall” will be gone.

" All that 8-8 means for a team that needs a QB upgrade is your to good for your own good." Bob Dicesare.

by buffalobacker on Dec 31, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Bills fans would like to see a first rounder actually make an impact for a change

Eric Wood frowns

South Park showed us the benefit of Captain Hindsight

by J2 on Dec 30, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

true....he was a first rounder and has made an impact.

He wasn’t the Bills first pick….which was what I was getting at… but not what I said.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and
beat you with experience.

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by Joe P. on Dec 30, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You hate Maybin as a person?

by stetzwebs on Dec 31, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

ummmmmm.......not that I am aware of??????

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by Joe P. on Dec 31, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

You seem to be taking this a little personal. Give us 5 Buffalo Bills reasons not to have reservations about C.J. Spiller’s rookie season.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And I say this with nothing but respect for you. I hope you know that.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not taking it personally at all, my friend. I disliked the pick from the beginning. I just don’t understand why fans of any team have to feel the need to hate on one guy, whether that team is the Carolina Panthers or the Miami Heat.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you weren’t a fan of the pick, but couldn’t recall. I also hope you understand that while it may sound like it, i’m not hating on Spiller. I’m hating on the way his season has unfolded. I don’t get why the pick was made because everything we’ve seen out of him has been nothing like what we were told he was bringing to the team.

This all should pass. But I will remain disappointed if he’s nothing more than a part-time RB and part-time WR. I would rather he become a player like Marshall Faulk, so feared and so important he never comes off the field.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If this article was a Maybin one

I’m sure the spittle would be flying. You wrote a Spiller article, you should be happy that its mostly stayed on topic in the replies!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, that’s fair enough. Spiller’s actually playing, so he’s kind of riper for the picking, I suppose.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

My point on this still stands.

People scream for Freddy to get the ball more when he’s only got ten touches a game because he gets better/more productive with more touches.

Spiller – 95 touches (runs/receptions) through 13 games is roughly 7.3 touches per game. Ahh, but you’re right. He should be breaking one of those less than ten touches per game into a touchdown.

Whelp lets add in his KR and PRs and we get 145 touches this year. Yup, I’m upset that he doesn’t have a better TD return rate with 11.15 touches per game.

Yes, he hasn’t been what we hoped for but the kid never really got a shot. Freddie is a solid back and Spiller struggled with picking up blitzing players. Between the two he’s not really gotten a great shot to display his ability to break a game open.

Would I have liked to have seen it? Even with limited touches? Yeah, I’d be a lot happier if we had. Am I tossing him under the bus for barely touching the football? No.

by aquias on Dec 30, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

BG, it’s because people love to criticize when it can’t actually come back on them. I would love to see these armchair GMs actually sitting on the hot seat and see how nearly all of them wilt.

by thefourwinds on Dec 30, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So rainbows and lollipops when talking about these things?

its there job to build a good team. If they can’t, they get the criticism. When draft picks look bad, people will make noise….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2010 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Considering this article has to do with someone who actually has walked in Spiller’s shoes and knows what it’s like (whether the criticism against LT came in his first year or later is immaterial – he’s been called washed up for years), I think it’s laughable that this post became another lambaste Spiller session.

Unlike you, LT has been there. He’s the one who is encouraging Spiller. I take his word over yours.

by thefourwinds on Dec 31, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

OK great

I’m giving my opinion. Quit berating everyone else for giving their’s. This is a blog where people express their opinions, even if others don’t agree. Of course we can’t walk in LT’s shoes. None of us are HOF running backs. That doesn’t mean we can’t give our opinions about CJ Spiller. What gives you the right to tell others what they can or can’t discuss? I don’t understand how you can come here to post on the blog knowing full well it’s a place people express their opinions and ideas, yet get all bent out of shape if somebody starts criticizing Spiller. That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 31, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I am giving my opinion on this:

Kind of amazing that the shift of "Buffalo Bill we must hate" status has shifted from Maybin to Spiller. Yeah, I get that Maybin is still hated, but it’s not en vogue to hate on him anymore, is it? Spiller’s the guy to bash on the Intertubes these days, right?

and stating why I believe this happens.

What is clear is that there are some people who don’t know how to express an opinion and still have respect for people. You all ought to read Der Jaeger’s posts to learn how to say something of substance without maligning people needlessly…people whose shoes you’ve never stood in.

by thefourwinds on Dec 31, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Skittles

Skittles please! Wanna feel the rainbow!

" All that 8-8 means for a team that needs a QB upgrade is your to good for your own good." Bob Dicesare.

by buffalobacker on Dec 31, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I could see this hate coming, IMO it serves absolutely no purpose.

I don’t mean stating the facts or opinions but the kicking of the dead horse stuff. Some just think it is funny.I just wonder while they are the life of the party if they really know that they are the conversation the next day and if they ever get invited back to the next party. The old saying there is one in every crowd, sometimes two. Is C.J. Spiller another Adrian Peterson, I think not, but Ryan Mathews, Knoshawn Mareno, Beane Wells, Donald Brown maybe, Maybe Shonn Green or McCoy. We don’t know, but lets kick the horse anyway, it is fun to hate. Here is a fact: C.J. Spiller is another 1st round pick by the Buffalo Bills that has not had an immediate impact. One comment I read a week ago was, so let’s trade him to Miami for a seventh round pick.

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by VanScottM on Dec 30, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Most people express internet emotions in hyperbole. It’s a way to state things without ever really saying what they mean to say, so it leaves them less likely to be called out on what they really mean. It’s also more fun to be timely comedic than it is to be a wet fart.

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Are we lighting the fart on fire?

Because that makes a difference in the amusement level.

by aquias on Dec 30, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of that scene in Billy Madison. “Oh man, old man Wilson called the @#$% poo!”

In the year two thousaaaaaaand.
In the year two thousAAAAAAND!

Current song recommendation: Ween "Mr. Richard Smoker"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

so it leaves them less likely to be called out on what they really mean.

Not only that, but being “called out” on a blog like this means almost nothing anyway. Let these people be put in a real pressure situation and see how they act then.

by thefourwinds on Dec 30, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think LT is saying it to Shonn Green all season.

by hightower_mc on Dec 30, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

I'm really conflicted about CJ Spiller right now.

I very much disliked the selection of a RB with our #9 draft pick, with so many seemingly pressing needs at other positions. As the season came closer, I rationalized it to myself by thinking, ok, at least if we didn’t fill a huge need positionally, there WAS a need at a vague “playmaker” position….CJ should be able to come right in and at least make some “home run” type plays to keep the defence honest. (which, if you think abou it, seems like the opposite now….seems like defences get to Spiller quicker than anyone else! go figure) After the preseason I was downright excited to see CJ used in a variety of ways: RB, WR, trick plays, screens, etc. Being that CJ spent 4 years at Clemson and preformed well for seemingly all of them, I was never worried about him getting off to a slow start. And then his promotion to the starting lineup signaled to me that the Bills coaches liked what they were seeing in practice and preseason games and were not very worried about CJ’s tranistion to the NFL either.

And now, after 15 regular season games, I am just left with more questions than answers. Do CJ’s skills translate well to the NFL? Can he run inside? Is how he is being used now how the people that selected him invisioned him to be used, or is he limited somehow in his rookie year? Where did these fumbling issues come from? Were my eyes deceiving me while watching him in college? Because going back to the Clemson tapes, now he doesn’t look so quick…or so shifty…

Alas, I am sitting here now with more questions than when he was selected, or so it seems. I still see great potential in CJ Spiller. But mark down 2010 as a year where he def did not produce. And while it’s not neccessary for RBs to produce as soon as they get to the league, a guy who does gives their team just another year of productivity to work with. Maybe CJ will make it up to us by playing a year longer at his peak…. CJ Spiller seems like a nice kid from all my interactions with him…I’m really hoping this worrying is all for naught.

"WHEN THE WAGON BLASTER TAKES OFF dont try to get in. THE SPACESES ARE LIMITED FOR WINNING ATTITUDE GODZILLA IS COMING GET READY" - abayarde

by StroudFanClub on Dec 30, 2010 5:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

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