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State of the Bills Roster: Inside Linebacker

We've talked at length over the past week or so about the fact that the Buffalo Bills have a ton of work to do as they switch to a 3-4 defensive alignment under new defensive coordinator George Edwards. The team needs a nose tackle. They need better 5-technique fits at defensive end. They need more pass rushers. Unfortunately, they're also lacking depth at linebacker.

Don't get me wrong. As far as needs go in Buffalo's front seven, inside linebacker probably ranks last, because the team does have two veteran players that they can pencil in as 2010 starters without having to worry too much. That doesn't mean it's a position that doesn't need to be addressed heavily, however; Buffalo's contenders at this position were brought in because of their schematic fit for Perry Fewell's zone-based, speed-oriented scheme, and their skill sets, by and large, don't translate to the scheme that Edwards will likely run.

After the jump, you'll find our analysis of Buffalo's inside linebacker prospects. Once you get past the top two names, you're looking at a lineup that could be the biggest part of the Bills' upcoming defensive purge. You might not see a lot of name imports here this off-season, but you're almost certainly going to see a lot of bodies brought in.

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What the new regime might be looking for
No matter which type of 3-4 scheme Edwards installs, the Bills have two capable starters that they can pencil in for the short term. Don't expect them to go out of their way to pick up a big-name linebacker, unless that linebacker is an outside linebacker. Depth, however, is a critical need, as there are exactly zero players capable of playing the 3-4 sitting behind the two starters. Look for a mid-round pick(s) and perhaps a low-tier free agent or two for reserve purposes.

Current personnel
Ironically, even though we're only looking at two players as worthy of being in a 3-4 defense, there are 10 players that project best to this position. Strange, eh?

Paul Posluszny. Poz is a downhill player and a sound tackler. His weak area will always be sifting through the trash, as they say, and if Buffalo runs a two-gap 3-4, Poz won't have to do as much of that anymore. Playing the weak-side ILB spot, Poz has a shot to be better than ever, as his strengths will be maximized. I, personally, expect a career year from Poz in 2010, particularly as he's entering the last year of his rookie contract.
  Contract status: 1 year remaining. Owed $665K in base salary.

Kawika Mitchell. Signed to play outside in a 4-3, Mitchell will be asked to slide inside next to Posluszny. Mitchell is coming off a season-ending knee injury he suffered in a Week 5 loss to Cleveland, but all signs at this point indicate that he'll be ready to go come training camp. Mitchell, like Posluszny, is a downhill player that could excel with a move inside. His grip on a roster spot is firm given his size, experience and contract situation.
  Contract status: 3 years remaining. Owed $8.2M in base salary.

Keith Ellison. Buffalo might be tempted to keep this RFA around; the ankle injury that placed him on IR isn't considered serious, and he's a smart player more than capable of quickly picking up the nuances of a 3-4 defense. Given the Bills' depth issues, it wouldn't shock me to see the Bills slap Ellison with a solid tender and let him be a backup. The situation, however, doesn't completely hide the fact that Ellison isn't suited to playing in this defensive scheme. That might ultimately seal his fate.
  Contract status: Restricted Free Agent

Chris Draft. Signed as an injury replacement mid-way through the 2009 season because of his experience and familiarity with Perry Fewell's defensive system. He's very much a fringe player at this point, and probably won't be back. Chris Draft is one hell of a model American, though - very, very nice guy.
  Contract status: Unrestricted Free Agent

Nic Harris. Anyone sensing a pattern here? Harris, entering his second year out of Oklahoma, is a light, quick linebacker that suits Buffalo's outgoing defensive scheme. He's not a 3-4 inside 'backer. He might be better suited to drop a little weight and move back to strong safety, his college position. If he makes the team, it'll be as a special teamer.
  Contract status: Undisclosed. In second year of multi-year contract.

Ashlee Palmer. There's not a lot to say here; Palmer is very much in the same boat as Harris, though he doesn't have the positional versatility of his fellow rookie.
  Contract status: Undisclosed. Not listed as a free agent by BuffaloBills.com.

Marcus Buggs. Buggs ended the 2009 season on IR, going out the same week as Mitchell. Again - light, quick linebacker incredibly ill-suited for this scheme.
  Contract status: Exclusive Rights Free Agent

Jon Corto. Here's another guy whose best chance of sticking is on special teams - Corto has established himself as one of Buffalo's best in that area. He, too, played safety in college, so don't be shocked to see him move around some. That's if he gets a free agent tender, obviously.
  Contract status: Exclusive Rights Free Agent

Josh Stamer. Stamer returned to Buffalo to play a reserve role in the final weeks of the '09 season, and is very unlikely to return.
  Contract status: Undisclosed. Likely an Unrestricted Free Agent.

Ryan Manalac. He spent part of the pre-season with Buffalo, then was brought back late in the year after the injury bug bit. Same story as pretty much everyone else above.
  Contract status: Your guess is as good as ours.

Who stays? Who goes?
Given the alarming lack of depth here, it's very safe to say that Posluszny and Mitchell aren't going anywhere. Both are good players, and both will almost certainly be opening day starters. I wouldn't be surprised if each of the other eight names on the list were let go before the '10 regular season began. Ellison might be retained simply because he's somewhat dependable, but it'll only be as deep depth.

If I were a betting man (and no, I'm not)...
Posluszny and Mitchell are penciled in as starters. Harris, Palmer and Corto are retained because of their special teams abilities. Depending on what GM Buddy Nix sees via free agency, Ellison could be retained. There's a lot of work to do behind the two starters, so expect a lot of bodies - not necessarily names - at this position.

Names to keep an eye on
I personally believe that Alabama LB Rolando McClain is one of only three or four elite prospects available in the 2010 NFL Draft, so despite the need areas everywhere else, I'd have a hard time being OK with the Bills passing on him should he be available at No. 9. Larry Foote is a 3-4 veteran and could be brought in simply to teach the ropes to younger guys such as Posluszny; he could also push for a starting role. Jeff Ulbrich would also be a cheap vet that can act as a coach-on-the-field.

Previous installments of the State of the Bills Roster series: QB, RB, WR, TE, OT, G/C, DE, NT, OLB.

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Keith Ellison

“The situation, however, doesn’t completely hide the fact that Ellison isn’t suited to playing in this defensive scheme. That might ultimately seal his fate”

Any guy who fits under this description should be cut. No pretenders on this roster.

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by BillsNYC on Feb 10, 2010 9:07 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Agree 100%

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

only if he can be replaced with someone better. We are not going to be able to rebuild the Bills in one offseason

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 10, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

No, but I want guys on this team that can learn and grow in the system. Why waste your time on a guy like Ellison who will never be a fit in the system when you can bring in a young guy that fits and you can develop.

I don’t care if we lose every game next year, as long as we’re developing the RIGHT guys for the long haul and showing improvement. Its all about building up suitable depth.

That goes for all the guys like Ellison who don’t belong here anymore.

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by BillsNYC on Feb 10, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree....trouble is we might not be able to bring in enough of them in one year

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 10, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

If Ellison is around as a depth player for one more year, it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. They need depth. Backups are backups for a reason – too slow, too small, whatever. If they can find a young guy in the draft who is a better fit in a 3-4, great. If not, they could do worse than Ellison. We really cant expect them to turn the entire roster over in one offseason. That means that some guys that don’t perfectly fit in the new scheme will be sticking around regardless.

by tm on Feb 10, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Except for the losing every game part. I want none of that. I’ll deal with a 1-15 season, but no wins would be the pits.

A guy like Ellison would be good depth….for a 4-3 team. He doesn’t fit here at all. I think I’d rather take my chances with a couple of late round picks or UDFA’s as depth hoping to develop them, over even bothering with Ellison.

I hope the team tries trading every defender that doesn’t fit anymore….Ellison, Kelsay, Williams, whoever hoping they can get something in return. Just getting some 6th or 7th rounders can really help us build depth, or maybe even find a diamond in the rough. 3-4 DE’s and LB’s are often found later in drafts too.

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2010 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

completely agree with that. Like you said, trade them for anything. Hell we got a 7th rounder out of Ko Simpson of the Buffalo BIlls. We should be able to get something higher for Wliiams and Kelsey. And a 7th for Ellison I would take. We need as many picks as we can get, to help build this 3-4 from starter to reserve.

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

isnt kelsey alittle expensive for a team to trade for him>?

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 10, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine as well try… If we cant get anything for him, we cant get anything for him. But at least we gave it the school boy try lol.

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

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by BillsNYC on Feb 10, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

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by poz on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think there will be, or should be, extension talks with Poz at this point?

Can Mitchell play at OLB in the 3-4?

I agree with the McClain sentiment as well. If he’s far and away the best option you take him at #9. While it’s not a top priority you should be looking to fill the roster with players who will be here 2-3 years down the road, not filling the biggest hole today. A few years from now Mitchell probably won’t be around (and if Poz goes in FA he won’t be either).

by Pistol on Feb 10, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Do you think there will be, or should be, extension talks with Poz at this point?

I hope there aren’t. What if he’s just decent and never lives up to the extension, or even worse, what if he flops entirely? I suppose that the Bills could get creative with a contract and make it possible to still deal him a year after signing an extension, but it’s rare for players to be traded early into a new contract due to the signing bonus, guaranteed money and just the way it looks to sign a guy and then turn around and trade him. If Poz has a good offseason and plays well at the beginning of the year, then lock him up during the season.

Can Mitchell play at OLB in the 3-4?

I think so. Say the Bills were to draft McClain, then I’d expect Mitchell to start at OLB.

you should be looking to fill the roster with players who will be here 2-3 years down the road, not filling the biggest hole today

Well said. I’d say that’s the difference between rebuilding and retooling or building or whatever the decent teams say that they are doing. The Bills need that mentalitly right now. Any move they make that helps this season at the expense of 2012 is a mistake.

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by kaisertown on Feb 10, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

didn’t mitchell play olb for the giants?

by quantumuprising on Feb 10, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

in a 4-3 like he did here

he also played MLB for the Chiefs.

Kawika is versatile and has good size. He should help out with our transition.

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by poz on Feb 10, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i think he did a lot of rushing/blitzing in that defense though, no?

by quantumuprising on Feb 10, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup…he was our best blitzing LB too

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 10, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed
Any move they make that helps this season at the expense of 2012 is a mistake.

Like giving up a bunch of draft picks for an old injury prone QB.

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 10, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Draft picks for any QB not nammed Peyton, Drew, Tom, Philliip, or Aaron is a bad move…for THIS Bills team. I don’t want band-aids. I want reconstructive surgery.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 10, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

well said!

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by fansince60 on Feb 10, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless McNabb is still really good at the age of 35. Or unless he is successful enough here to be a huge factor in the development of the young WRs, TEs and OL. I’m also a believer that winning breeds confidence and swagger more than confidence and swagger breed winning. If Buffalo thinks they’re a 9-7 team for a few years in a row, you could make the argument that it’s better for the growth and development of the team to win some games, create a respectable offense for a young QB to eventually step into, score enough points to take the pressure off the defense and still have a 35 year old McNabb three years from now than to have a couple of 2nd round picks. I’m mostly playing devil’s advocate here because I do agree with you. I just think that’s a valid argument and if McNabb reasonably worked out, it wouldn’t be a devastating or terrible move.

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by kaisertown on Feb 10, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolando McClain

I’d have a hard time being OK with the Bills passing on him should he be available at No. 9.

As would I. Also, I’m not sold on Mitchell. Just something about him makes me leary of his commitment, heart, etc.To me, he was resting on his SB laurels. At $8.2MM, I think he’s high cost/low return. However, given the magnitude of the overhaul, he’s one less body they’ll have to go after, so he most likely stays.

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by fansince60 on Feb 10, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

he’s 8.2 over three years, though. that’s not really that crazy of a contract.

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by the_prophet on Feb 10, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

He just tweeted this morning that he would love to bring a Super Bowl parade to Buffalo.

Personally I think riots would be more likely.

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by BillsNYC on Feb 10, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

It wouldnt be a parade. Parades have order to them. It would just be one giant party. Blue cans would fill the streets and chances are they would have to shut down the city for a day or two.

…and I’d LOVE IT!

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Mitchell

he pushes guys in the gym and wants to win plus hes loyal to teammates.

Instead of McClain, if Schobel retires, the Bills should be thinking about signing 29 year old ILB Larry Foote who has played almost his whole career in a 3-4. As Brian noted he could teach a young Poz and Maybin all about the 3-4 and the tricks of the trade while helping a grizzled vet like Kawika maximize his talents at OLB. We could then use 9 at one of our other dozen needs.

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by poz on Feb 10, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

We should be targeting Foote...

Regardless of what happens with Foote though, McClain is my favorite player outside of Suh/McCoy

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 10, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Poz

Always be a fan of his… Did he really only sign a 4 year contract… Darn… Looks like we will have to open the checkbook sooner than later.

I think Poz is a fit in any scheme, a heady player, sometimes only his instincts are lacking. The physical ability has always been there.

Never been impressed by Mitchell, seems like he has been an overpaid FA signee… Plus he has a hard time with keeping hs moutn shut.

Other than that, everyone goes… We need special teamers whom can fill in when needed… None of those guys are 3-4 prototypes. We need to go out and get a few veterans of the 3-4 to help with the learning curve, these guys can just be role players, but they can help Poz and Mitchell.

Then draft players in the later rounds who could be worked into the scheme and whom can have an immediate impact on STs.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Feb 10, 2010 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

I would love McClain on this team. If hes there, hes hard to pass on. Even though we have greater needs. Hes a beast and would fit in well in Buffalo. If we draft him… our linebacking crew would be pretty damn good.

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

Imagine that… Porter – McClain – Poz – Maybin

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

If there was a contest ...

for having the most number of former safeties on a roster, who are now LBs, we’d win hands down.

LoL.

by sabre74kkn on Feb 10, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

damn if only Coy Wire was still around…

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Blake Costanzo, or DiGorgio, or …

by sabre74kkn on Feb 10, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Get rid of all the undersized scrubs

We don’t need to keep these guys around. Enough keeping ST’s only players. That’s gotten us nowhere and really killed any depth we’ve had. The 3-4 is LB heavy, so wasting roster spots on a guy like Harris or Palmer or Corto limits our depth because those guys have no ability to play in the our new scheme. You can maybe keep one if you build up enough depth, but keeping all 3 around is ridiculous.

I personally believe that Alabama LB Rolando McClain is one of only three or four elite prospects available in the 2010 NFL Draft, so despite the need areas everywhere else, I’d have a hard time being OK with the Bills passing on him should he be available at No. 9.

I thought McClain and Poz are fits for the same role in the 3-4, so why would we want him so badly? Wouldn’t we be wasting his talent if he played the other ILB position? Wouldn’t Poz? I have a hard time believing we’ll pick McClain when he and Poz belong in the same role.

Foote or Ulbrich should be priority signings to play next to Poz. Add another low tier signing, perhaps, and definitely a mid round pick like Micah Johnson or Jamar Chaney.

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions   4 recs

Johnson would be a good player to draft

Cheney, not so much. He’s a run-around-blocks guy that isn’t stout enough for ILB in a 3-4.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 10, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

ive been saying this forever. Keeping guys like wendling and corto around this year when we had serious depth issues at linebacker, etc, really hurt

by quantumuprising on Feb 10, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Enough keeping ST’s only players

Would you have said that about Tasker? It’s ridiculous to keep 3 or 4 of those guys on the roster, but I have no problem with one or two guys that excel in kick coverage, even if their contributions on offense or defense are limited.

by tm on Feb 10, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

It seemed everyone from the Man on the Moon to a banana slug were pining for Bobby April to be the team’s next HC. Imagine if it came to be? He’d have his nose so far into the defensive scheme that all the starters would be ST aces.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 10, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Enough keeping ST’s only players. That’s gotten us nowhere and really killed any depth we’ve had

Completely agree. As much as I loved Bobby April here, I think he had 1 or 2 extra roster spots a year simply for ST. And with the transformation to a 3-4 we need those extra roster spots for depth.

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 10, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

rec’d .. hopefully the days of the coy wire, “since you’re smart and small, we’ll make you a LB or stick you on special teams in case that doesn’t work” drafting / player retention strategy are over.

by sabre74kkn on Feb 10, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I totally disagree about the Poz/McClain comparison...

McClain can shed a block like a vet, obviously, I dont know how he will fare against NFL blocking, but he faced some stiff competition in college and he showed that he is the perfect strong side 3-4 ILB, while Poz is not at all that guy IMO. I think Poz is well suited to the weak side, but they are completely different players IMO.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 10, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian.

What do you think the likely-hood of us going after a vet like Foote? Personally I think it will depend on if we go with McClain or not… But chances are Foote will want to start and if Poz and Mitchell/McClain are in front of him I dont think he would fly with that. He would be great to help teach those 2/3 the position a little better, but I dont think hes looking for a mentor role.

And say we do draft McClain, can Mitchell play the outside opposite of Maybin? I really dont know the ideal height, weight, speed, coverage skills to be an OLB or ILB in the 3-4. Its been a while haha.

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Agree with McClain

The only way I see the Bills passing on McClain is if Clausen, McCoy or Okung happen to slip down in the draft then Nix & Co.will have to huddle up to make a very tough decision. McClain is a play-maker and a disruptor and would be be a perfect addition to the 3-4 transition. I don’t care if Poz and him play the same spot in the 3-4. That’s what the coaches get paid to do, figure out how to use the talent on hand.

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by Goose22 on Feb 10, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Please no Clausen...

There is just something about his face that screams “Punch Me!”

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 10, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

there’s a good reason not to draft a franchise qb

by quantumuprising on Feb 11, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

McClain mania has hit Buffalo Rumblings

Just something to keep in mind…… we still need a NT.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 10, 2010 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

at 9? if he’s BPA – if not – then BPA – which will probably be McClain.

To me – it’s not a big deal that we have Poz and MItchell then go ahead and draft McClain. Poz is injury prone and mediocre, Mitchell is coming off of major knee surgery. Why would we not take the BPA when we could side Mitchell outside?

If McClains there and is BPA then take him without thinking twice. I highly doubt that NT will be BPA at 9. We can get a stop gap one in FA or one in round 2/3 that will at a bare minimum suffice for the season.

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by J2 on Feb 10, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

DJ, we all agree that NT is one of our top 3 needs...

with QB, LT, NT who will be BPA at 9…QBs are over-rated IMO, so I doubt that Clausen will be much help this year or next.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 10, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure I’d phrase it as “over-rated” so much as over-valued in the draft. I’m sure you saw the top 28 that our wonderful and talented draft team came up with. There’s a good chance that Bradford and Clausen are gone at picks 1 and 4, but neither has quite that grade, whereas McClain, rated higher than either, has the potential to fall. It’s not fair, but quality QBs are just flat out important and teams don’t get much worthwhile later in the draft. Sadly, it just happens that way and it’s probably best not to get too tricky (as we have in the past) and try to roll with a QB that doesn’t have elite tools.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 11, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

How likely is it that McClain even falls to 9?

I could easily see KC or Cleveland falling in love and jumping on McClain at 5 or 7. Or even the Raiders at 8 (are they still running a 3-4? not that it matters, who knows what Al Davis is going to do).

by tm on Feb 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

I think Al Davis plays eenie meenie miney moe when the Raiders are on the clock.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 10, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i think he has a list of top 50 players that is compiled by the scouts before the draft, and then he puts them in excel. The only problem is, no one told him that the default on his version of excel was to list —>Z-A

by quantumuprising on Feb 10, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That was funny!!!

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by Goose22 on Feb 10, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Something else to keep in mind regarding McClain

Is he a tremendous player? Yes. But he’s also best as a Will ILB, where he can flow to the football without getting engulfed by guards. Posluszny is likely pencilled in at the Will ILB.

So, if Buffalo drafts McClain, the Bills either:

A. Don’t see Posluszny in their future for much longer, eg: past this season

B. Plan to play McClain at Mike ILB, which is silly. The Mike ILB ends up taking on a lot of guards and other blockers, which helps free with Will ILB up to make plays. McClain would be a non-factor at Mike ILB, and a huge waste of talent.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 10, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 10, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

McClain would be a non-factor at Mike ILB, and a huge waste of talent.

or – he’ll become a stud

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by J2 on Feb 10, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling he can adjust. If hes there, and the big O and D linemen are gone. I think we gotta take him.

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike ILB's in Fairbanks-Bullough 3-4

Akin Ayodele, Eric Barton, Stephen Cooper, Corey Mays, Andra Davis, Brandon Chillar, Takeo Spikes, Jeff Ulbrich, Larry Foote.

That’s a whole lot of bigger guys that are better at taking on blockers, and shedding. McClain’s game is flowing to the football. He’d be wasted at Mike ILB.

Others that don’t play in a B-F 3-4 but play Mike ILB include David Harris, Lawrence Timmons, Tavares Gooden, Keith Brooking, Gerald Hayes. Not a bad list, but it’s not what we’re probably going with.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 10, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I would also really like to see McClain, I liked him as MLB before we made the switch to a 3-4 and I like him even more now. I mean when you look at the possible situation of having Maybin, McClain and Poz as 3 of the LB those are 3 young guys that the Bills could potentially keep togethor for another 10 yrs!

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by Ghetts on Feb 10, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

This is the best part of the new 3-4 defense

If we still ran the 4-3, we would just be talking about filling a couple holes here and there while sticking with the guys we already have on the roster.

The new move to a 3-4 defense means that a lot of our current roster will need to be overhauled. The reason this is a good thing is because of the performance of this team the past few (10) seasons.

We have so many adequate guys that are just good enough to keep on your team for depth running a 4-3 but will never make a major impact. I like having guys with large upside as your depth and when someone gets hurt, these depth guys have a chance to get in and show what they have (as opposed to just holding the seat warm until the starter returns).

by Slick Shifty on Feb 10, 2010 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Anyone want to tell me the ideal height, weight, speed, coverage skills to be an OLB or ILB in the 3-4? Its been a while since we’ve ran the 3-4 and im sure the 90’s version of the 3-4 is a biiiiiiit different from today version.

On a side note… Ted Washington doesnt have a kid coming up thru the system does he? haha

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

I was curious myself...So I looked..:-)

For Inside linebackers…. Average for starters… height 6-0 to 6-2…
weight……….
Steelers 238 lbs
Jets 242
Raven 246
Phish 247
Bills (w/Poz & Mitchell) 246

by Cinga on Feb 10, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

actually

Most of our guys fit in the ideal size range.

For ILBs, some league comparisons: : James Farrior 6’2 243, Ray Lewis 6’1 250, Nick Barnett 6’2 236, Stephen Cooper 6’1 235

By comparison Poz is 6’1 , 238. He is a fine size for ILB

For OLBs, some league comparisons: Shawn Merriman 6’4 265, DeMarcus Ware 6’4 262, Bryan Thomas 6’4 266, Mike Vrabel 6’4 261, Joey Porter 6’3 255, Jason Taylor 6’6 255, Terrell Suggs 6’3 260, Lamarr Woodley 6’2 265, Clay Matthews 6’3 250

By comparison Kawika Mitchell 6’1, 253 fits fine and Maybin is 6’4, 250 and fits fine.

I have all these stats by the way because I was contemplating writing up a post on the 3-4 but decided not to because there have been so many.

Our bigger concern is whether or not Mitchell can be the pass rusher we need on the outside or the block shedder we need on the inside.

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by poz on Feb 10, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I know...

and am in total support of your lineup leaving Mitchell outside…. But am also against all posting a total blow-up of this defensive roster…
But WTH… I’m not thrilled with this copy-cat crap anyway… The 3-4 now used, is only a glorified college 5-2 lineup… And will soon fall by the wayside…. Again….

by Cinga on Feb 10, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

my only concern is that we are the last ones to jump on the 3-4 train right now and we will do it just as it gets figured out and outdated. hahahaha

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by poz on Feb 10, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

But everyone runs a defense that teams have figured out. The trick is to beat it. I don’t think it’s any secret what the Ravens or Jets do, but it’s hard to control them. On the other side of the ball, look at the Colts. Everyone knows Peyton’s game, they just don’t know how to stop it.

Gregggggggggggggg Williams sure did a great job mixing his schemes up in a dance with Manning.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 10, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

And that....

will be the key to what Edwards does with our D… How well it confuses the other team. But let’s face reality a minute… As I said, the 3-4 is only a pro version of college 5-2… Opposing college teams have figured it out??!!… Go figure…. Heck, anyone on this board who sat here during a game against teams using a 5-2 (3-4 for the purist) knew how to beat it as all the posts last year asking why we didn’t use more play action, or screens, or quick slants…..

by Cinga on Feb 10, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the firing of the OC a week before the season started played a HUGE role in the offense’s failures. AVP was put in a really bad situation.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 10, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

good point

if there is one thing about having the personnel that we do, its that we’ll almost be forced to mix things up scheme-wise

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by poz on Feb 10, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed...

The Bills just blew up the O-line to disastrous results. According to Edwards the Bills will vary between the 3-4 and 4-3 which makes total sense since the philosophy is to modify schemes to the talent on hand. The Bills went to the Tampa 2 two years after teams figured out how to beat it—-go figure!

Mitchell showed flashes of being a capable pass rusher when he was used—-which was rarely. Hopefully he returns to 100%.

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you have to do something you never did.'

by Goose22 on Feb 10, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

haha alright thanks. I guess I could have looked all that up. But technically im on the clock so I shouldnt, not that BR is work related… haha but thanks again.

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by bflo on Feb 10, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Only 3 worth keeping!

- Come on, people – We are and have been one of the worst organizations and teams in the league – Why would we want to keep more than 1/2 of these players – We are not keeping Corto just so he can play special teams – You draft players that can fill in a hole, due to injury, and then make them into special teams players.

- Get rid of most of these clowns!

by BuffaloWhiner on Feb 10, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Oddly enough

I wouldn’t mind having Chris Draft back for just that reason. We brought him in and he came onto the field and filled in for starters as a linebacker. It was really nice knowing he wasn’t a special teams specialist – he was a linebacker first and foremost. And you know what? That showed up on the field with him being one of the most reliable backups we played all season long.

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by poz on Feb 10, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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