Are Bills headed for a line-oriented April?
Buddy Nix has been involved with the game of football for his entire adult life. He's been an integral member of various NFL front offices for more than 17 years. He's widely praised as an excellent evaluator of talent. He'll run an NFL Draft room for the first time in his life next month as the new General Manager of the Buffalo Bills, at the spritely young age of 70.
Nix spent time with the Bills from 1993 through 2000 as a national scout. He followed the late GM John Butler and future GM A.J. Smith to San Diego, where he was the college scouting director and Assistant General Manager for eight seasons. His return to Buffalo in 2009 made him a national scout for a year, followed by his promotion to GM on December 31, 2009.
Not much is known about how Nix will run his draft room. Does he like to stockpile picks at a certain position? When the tough decisions pop up, is he a "need guy" or a "best player available guy"? These are questions that we can't possibly answer until we see him make decisions on draft day. That won't stop us from taking a few guesses, however. After the jump, we'll examine what San Diego did on draft day while Nix was an integral part of the decision-making process (even if he wasn't making the final decision).
San Diego draftees, 2001-2008
While Nix was in San Diego, the Chargers made 61 draft selections in an eight-year period. Broken down by frequency of position, here's the complete list of Chargers draftees during that time period.
Offensive Line (15 players): Elliot Silvers, Brandon Gorin, Toniu Fonoti, Matt Anderle, Courtney Van Buren, Nick Hardwick, Shane Olivea, Carlos Joseph, Wesley Britt, Wes Sims, Scott Mruczkowski, Marcus McNeill, Jeromey Clary, Jimmy Martin, Corey Clark
Offensive Skill Positions (14 players): LaDainian Tomlinson, Reche Caldwell, Justin Peelle, Terry Charles, Andrew Pinnock, Michael Turner, Ryan Krause, Vincent Jackson, Darren Sproles, Craig Davis, Scott Chandler, Legedu Naanee, Jacob Hester, Marcus Thomas
Defensive Backs (11 players): Tay Cody, Robert Carswell, Quentin Jammer, Sammy Davis, Drayton Florence, Terrence Kiel, Hanik Milligan, Antonio Cromartie, Eric Weddle, Antoine Cason, DeJuan Tribble
Linebackers (9 players): Carlos Polk, Zeke Moreno, Ben Leber, Matt Wilhelm, Shaun Phillips, Shawne Merriman, Tim Dobbins, Anthony Waters, Brandon Siler
Defensive Line (5 players): Igor Olshansky, Dave Ball, Ryon Bingham, Luis Castillo, Chase Page
Quarterbacks (4 players): Drew Brees, Seth Burford, Eli Manning, Charlie Whitehurst
Kickers/Punters (3 players): Mike Scifres, Nate Kaeding, Kurt Smith
Charting tendencies
Again, I urge you to take everything here with a grain of salt, because this entire body of work was not Nix's. Yes, he scouted all of these players. No, he did not draft them. He didn't draft a single player during his time in San Diego, as far as we know, because he didn't have final say. But Nix will certainly carry over some philosophy from his previous work experience, so the following tendencies aren't necessarily irrelevant, either.
- The Chargers never once drafted a nose tackle prospect, despite running a 3-4. They did, however, draft three kickers. Those decisions drew some criticism, for fairly obvious reasons. I haven't done any research on this, but a team drafting three kickers in an eight-year period seems fairly rare.
- As you might have guessed from the title of the post, San Diego drafted a ton of offensive linemen while Nix was out west. 10 of those 15 players were offensive tackles. Here's the catch: not a single offensive lineman, tackle or otherwise, was drafted in the first round.
- Aside from taking no nose tackle, the Chargers didn't concentrate on finding pass rushers, either. Just two were taken during that time period, though to their credit, they were two excellent selections: Merriman and Phillips have combined for 89 career sacks. But running a 3-4, you'd expect to see more nose tackles and pass rushers drafted than two prospects in an eight-year period.
- Heck, even the defensive line wasn't a huge priority. Only five players, all 3-4 defensive ends, were taken by San Diego in those eight years.
- If you're worried about the Bills continuing their tendency to draft in numbers in the defensive backfield, don't expect that to stop. Take some Nyquil to stop the nightmares. Good NFL teams pick a lot of defensive backs - like pass rushers, you can never have enough of 'em - and the team is still trying to win in a pass-happy league.
- In terms of football's most important position, the Chargers spent three significant picks - and by significant, I mean third round or higher - on quarterbacks. Drew Brees was the first pick of the second round in 2001; yeah, he's pretty good. Eli Manning was the top overall selection in 2004; yeah, he's pretty good. Manning was immediately traded to New York for the rights to Philip Rivers; yeah, he's pretty good too. Charlie Whitehurst was a third-round pick in 2006, and has yet to attempt an NFL pass.
- The Chargers were fairly need-based at the top of the draft, but spent the mid-to-late portions of draft days doing pretty much the same thing - stockpiling talent on the offensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. That's smart drafting - of course, it looks smarter by the fact that they got their hands on three franchise quarterbacks in that time frame.
Again, I want to mention that the word "tendency," as it applies to Nix, is something of a misnomer. We don't know what Nix tends to do on draft day, because he's never actively made the decisions on draft weekend. But philosophically, these tendencies might come into play.
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Nice post, Brian. Let’s hope that we do focus up front. We have plenty of talent and even good depth in the defensive backfield. I’ll take the best available OT, please!
Very True
I would not mind if we traded down to the teens somewhere and picked up an extra pick. Maybe then take the best available OT in Rd 1 and look at a QB like McCoy, Snead, or LeFevour in either Rd 2 or 3.
by IthacaBillsFan on Feb 11, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Ithaca, I like your idea!
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Excellent info
Since Butler, AJ and Nix left for SD, as we all know the Bills have struggled with their top picks——2000 was their last draft in Buffalo.
The Bills recent drafts have been reaches and projects:
Number ones
2000—DE-Eric Flowers—so so college production but a work-out warrior at the combine moved up the charts! Bills version of DE Mike Mamula…
2001—CB—Nate Clements—good pick but it was out of necessity—-Bills had let starting CB Thomas Smith (2000) walk who replaced starting CB Jeff Burris who the Bills let walk (1998).
2002—OT Mike (#^*#!)Williams—Ot John Fina was at the end of the line, Bills gambled with “Lard Ass” instead of taking the highest rated OT in the draft McKinnie who by the way dominate Freeny in college!!
2003—RB Willis McGahee—WTF!! Bills had Travis Henry and Willis was coming off an devastating knee injury. The pick after Willis was Dallas Clark and 2 picks latter the Chiefs took RB Larry Johnson—Ouch!
2004- Wr-Evans & QB-Losman—-It would be nice to see how Evans would play with a consistent good QB. Losman was trust into the starting line-up way too soon, Bills cut Bledsoe 1 year after trading up for JP—nice way to develop a QB from Tulane…
2005—top pick was no#2 Roscoe Parrish—so so, he had his moments as a return specialist had a horrible 2009. Only player left on team from the 2005 draft.
2006—DB Whitner & DT McCargo—Whitner average at best—what hurts is that the Bills desperately needed DT’s after letting Pat Williams walk in “04” and releasing Sam Adams after “05”. Their signing of FA DT Larry Tripplett never panned out, then they traded up in the draft to draft bust DT John McGottoago.
2007—RB Lynch—Bills needed a running back after former no#1 Willis forced a trade! Lynch has shown potential with 2 consecutive 1000+ seasons then lost his job to Fred Jackson after his continual off field problems..
2008—DB Leodis McKelvin—shows potential, no#1 rated DB in the draft. Bills weren’t going to pay Jabari Greer so another DB was needed.
2009—LB/DE Maybin—-will he be a Eric Flowers or turn into a Eric Dumervil?
2010——Nix will get the Bills drafting problems turned around. Can Gailey bring the Bills back?
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'To get something you never had,
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Was he “Returned To Sender” ?
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He’s probably eating a platter of grilled peanut butter-bacon sandwiches.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 12, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I thought his food of choice was fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches….
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 15, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Need vs. BPA
Nix quote from an article on the Bills site. Sort of tells you where he stands on the drafting for need vs. drafting best player available argument.
"I think the first thing you’ve got to do is know enough about football to know where you need to plug people in," Nix told Buffalobills.com. "All these people that say they take the best guy on the board are normally not telling the truth. They’re thinking the best guy they need on the board, and I think that’s basically what you do. You’ve got to be on the same page with the coach and you’ve got to bring guys in that fit that role."
Important quote
I agree with it as well. Nix mentioned that you build your team through the draft and not free agency. That’s all well and good, but if that’s your philosophy, you have to do your position shopping in the draft. For this year anyway, I feel like Buffalo can almost go BPA with the exception of RBs and DBs due to the numerous holes on the roster, but in the years that will follow, need SHOULD dictate draft selections to some extent…and on that note, Nix also mentioned that winning in the NFL isn’t all that complicated: the teams with good quarterbacks are the teams that win. Here’s hoping that the first hole that Nix plugs with a BPA this year just happens to be at the game’s most important position. A position that the previous regime was comfortable mostly neglecting year after year.
Aaron Maybin is DeMarcus Ware 2.0.
I think that I agree with Nix… But I’m not entirely sure from that quote. I think you need a balance of youth and experience at each position grouping and you need to look at all possibilities (trades, FAs, & draft) to acheive that if there is a significant hole (or two) in your starting lineup from either a catastrophic injury to a player (ie K.Everett) or a significant scheme change (such as, oh I don’t know… maybe moving to a 3-4 from a 4-3?). Once you have average/competent players at each position, you can go with BPA for every pick in the draft without feeling the pressure to gamble on a particular rookie to ‘save the franchise’. This would also allow significant trade flexibility since you don’t have to target a specific person or position (see: Patriots, New England). Any new pick would then come in and challenge the incumbent for playing time, with the best player starting.
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I would say hopefully in the early rounds,
this team drafts based on need over best player available as long as there isnt a huge reach.
I’m totally okay with this strategy
The Chargers were fairly need-based at the top of the draft, but spent the mid-to-late portions of draft days doing pretty much the same thing – stockpiling talent on the offensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary.Kinda sounds like what we should do.
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Jamal Williams - 2nd round - 1998....Chargers had excellent drafts for the past decade.
- While the Bills couldn’t even get a good player in the first round. I have confidence in Nix rather than the Keystone Cops who have been running thing’s for the past 10 years.
1998 – 2nd round -Jamal Williams – 6’3 – 348lbs – Left him out, and he has played some at the Nose Tackle position, but not sure if Nix was their then.
Jamal Williams was drafted in 1998, as you mentioned. Nix didn’t get there until 2001.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 11, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair...
Nix never drafted a NT because they already had a stud. Also, if Nix had a lot of input on the 3-4 Ends, I would be very happy. Igor and Luis have very good, and with Luis being top talent but with the steriods issue hanging around his neck, its nice to see NIx and Co. took him despite the red flags, Luis was and is a good guy, but got caught trying to heal for the combine.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 11, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Need or BPA
a case can be made that this won’t be an issue for the Bills. Per the depth chart in yesterday’s excellent thread, whomever we pick, we need!
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agreed!
We can so many different ways in this draft. The Chargers draft list above is very impressive. A few future hall of famers and plenty of pro bowlers are in that list
Which is why
the Bills need to trade down to get more picks.
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If the right person will still be there...
I get the point in trading down, much harder to do than trade up IMO, but we still need players. If the guy you want is there and you think he will be available 3-4 slots lower, try to trade, otherwise take your guy and move on.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 11, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nix
Again, I want to mention that the word “tendency,” as it applies to Nix, is something of a misnomer. We don’t know what Nix tends to do on draft day, because he’s never actively made the decisions on draft weekend. But philosophically, these tendencies might come into play.
Unfortunately, we can only speculate on what decisions were made by Nix. I think it is fair to give him some credit for the quality of the Chargers draft history, but I don’t think we can attribute the “tendency” of drafting positions to Nix. I would think that would come down to the final decision makers (which Nix never was).
Maybe I am being a little presumptive, but I THINK Nix graded the players and provided input/insight. The final decisions were made by the GMs.
I am excited about Nix and really hope that someone gives Wilson sleeping pills (3 days this year) prior to the draft. Obviously Nix knows his stuff, he has been around the block and been applauded for his scouting ability. I think he had a large hand in the quality of our draft last year.
My only issue was Maybin. I will say it again this year. The Bills do not have the luxury of taking a project player in the first two rounds. We need impact players now.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Feb 11, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions
We need impact players now.
Why? The Bills aren’t doing anything next year. And they’re probably not doing anything the year after that. Why does it matter if a scout has labeled a player an “immediate impact player” vs. a “project player with tremendous upside”? Ultimately, they’re both complete unknowns.
I personally couldn’t care less if the player is projected to be a good player from day one or an excellent player a few years from now. The Bills need to draft talented players. It’s something they failed to do for a long time now.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
by thatguy34 on Feb 11, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, But....
Didn’t the 07 Dolphins go 1-15, followed up by winning the division? I think to say any team even buffalo can’t turn things around in a year is childish, like throwing a temper tantrum because the bills were bad, Boo Hoo. I think any team in the NFL can excel or turn things around in 1 off season. Why follow the Bills if you expect failure?
All you hear since the season ended is negitivity, if that keeps up and people actually stop going to the games like they say they are maybe we can finish worse than medicore, like the Lions or the Raiders, if thats what you want.
Buffalo’s fans are passionate and I think the players give there all because they know how passionate we are. If the team is as bad as everyone says why are we always in the middle of the road record wise? I say we keep the passion, support the team and see what happens, isn’t that what we are supposed to do as fans anyways?
by Kelly to Reed Touchdown!! on Feb 11, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
At what point in my post did I say we not support the team, or lose our passion for our team? Is it possible Buffalo turns it around in one year? Sure. Is it likely? Not at all.
Do you know why everyone cites the 2007 Dolphins as an example of how someone can turn it around quickly? Because there are only a handful of teams in NFL history that have had quick turnarounds like that. The odds are not in the Bills favor. That doesn’t make me childish or indicate that I’m throwing a temper tantrum. It also doesn’t call my fandom into question. It merely takes into account decades of data, statistics, and analogous situations that show that it’s unlikely the Bills make the playoffs next year.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
If my frustration was mis directed I apologize, I am merely pointing out that it’s possible to get better in 1 off season.
Why? The Bills aren’t doing anything next year. And they’re probably not doing anything the year after
I personally dont see it being a far cry to win 3 or 4 more games next year especially if the coach and the team are truly getting more talented. 6-10, or 7-9 doesn’t take a lot more wins to be a playoff team.
by Kelly to Reed Touchdown!! on Feb 11, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I really dont care if we lose a lot next year if it means an end to our perpetual mediocrity...
I think we will be lucky to win 6 games…I have zero expectations next year. I just hope we build a solid foundation.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 11, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Man, Am I surprised, I guess some Bills fans have accepted being mediocre year-in and year-out.
My comment was directed at LAST year’s draft and the selection of Maybin. Didn’t all of you have high expectations coming into this year? OBD was so arrogant that they had solutions at LT after they jettisoned Peters, that they didn’t even select Oher. Instead we were obviously so good on the O-line (and elsewhere for that matter) we could go ahead and select a player that would barely see the field.
I would argue no team has the luxury to select project players in the first round, especially in the top 15 picks.
The parody in the NFL means we will have an opportunity to make the play-offs EVERY year, at the very least play meaningful games late in the season.
I expect us to select a quality player in the first round that fits a need right away. For instance we should not select a FS even if that is the BPA, that simply does not make sense.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Feb 11, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
BPA where the team has a lack of BP. That’s what I think is wise, and what I got the sense from Niw when listening to his interview with Chris Brown after he was hired.
If the Colts lost Manning in week 1 and went 0-16, would they draft a QB #1 overall, just because he might be BPA?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 12, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
My only issue was Maybin. I will say it again this year. The Bills do not have the luxury of taking a project player in the first two rounds. We need impact players now.
Nix has said over and over again he looks for college production not one year wonders. That screams “NOT MAYBIN” to me. Maybin was not a Nix pick.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 15, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Offensive Line (15 players):
They understood the importance of the offensive line which to me is a huge priority. If we can run consistently and protect the QB then we can keep our defense off of the field and hopefully dictate the game.
Quarterbacks: Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers
has any team ever got 3 guys like this? If Nix can get ONE guy like these 3 then we’ll be sitting pretty darn pretty.
Defensive Backs (11 players
this is a solid group of guys too – defensive backs are a must in this passing league. The drafting of quality DB’s won’t stop because DJ left – and it shouldn’t. In saying that – lines are still the priority
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If Nix can get ONE guy like these 3 then we’ll be sitting pretty darn pretty
You can say that again. I think this is the most critical part of Nix job — find a franchise QB.
Meanwhile, I like the idea of drafting O-linemen in later rounds. Peters worked out well, and I think Bell is going to work out well too. Not to mention, the Colts’ OL this year are mainly from lower rounds or even went undrafted.
If Nix can keep his SD tendencies, I’ll be more than thrilled.
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i find it interesting
that they not only select great QBs (Brees, Manning-though that was partly due to horrible seasons resulting in good draft position), but are willing to move them for overall advancement of the team. Selecting a High level player at our position that we know someone else wants is a nice way to pick up additional picks. which is just hopeful thinking as i am sure anyone we select for ourselves will be a reach. (as has too often been the case with our “around 10” pick. ) i would much rather take a guy we don’t want to position another team to bargain. speculatory? yes. dangerous? perhaps. Worth taking the risk? what do we have to lose………?
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agreed to a point. if some how someone like Suh dropped to us then for sure. I don’t think the Bills at 9 are in a position to do that – didn’t they take Eli early? I think they took him at one then traded because Eli didn’t want to play at SD (I think). So SD had an idea of what they could do and had time to prepare for htat and i’m sure talk with Giants or whomever to see if there was interest in that. Buffalo at 9 I don’t think is in that position.
I’m kind of torn of who the Bills should take. I’m not sold on either of the QBs. I’d go McClain, Oline or Dline and that’s about it.
regardless – Nix will do whats best for the club because he’s been around good teams that do just that. I don’t htink it’s a coincidence that last year was one of our best drafts while Nix was scouting. He was probably given a little more leeway in the draft room I would think from Brandon (thinking Brandon and Ralph kind of knew that if DJ were to fail – Nix would be rebuilding and fixing this team). Plus – he seems to know talent – something we crave in WNY.
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by J2 on Feb 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
This is exactly how I feel...
I’m kind of torn of who the Bills should take. I’m not sold on either of the QBs. I’d go McClain, Oline or Dline and that’s about it.
McClain/McCoy/OT
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 11, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
They let Brees go for nothing.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 15, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we bulk up the Oline. We need protection and a solid run game. Imagine what Lynch and Jackson can do behind a REAL line…
Very odd they never drafted a NT while he was there. Thats a long time going without drafting one. I wouldnt mind taking a NT in the first 3 rounds and then this kid we signed in Jan that has everyone “excited” about, Lonnie Harvey. Im doubting hes going to be anything more than rotational NT, but might not even make the team. But there is hope he could be a much larger, run stopping Freddy Jackson. Hey maybe hes our break weve been looking for for years?
The O-line and front 7 on D should be the main focus of this draft. Obviously QB needs to be addressed also but I feel those positions have greater value in the years draft. And later (3rd or 4th) possibly Zac Robinson? I like him as a 3rd or 4th rounder. And if we can bulk up the D and line then QB doesnt have to be as good as the “top” QB’s in this draft, as none of them are “OMG WE HAVE TO GET HIM, HES GOING TO BE A STUD” with me.
So to recap… – 1st = Lines/LB
- 2nd = Lines/LB
- 3rd = Lines/LB/Robinson
- 4th Line/LB/Robinson unless Dexter McCluster is still available. If hes around in the 4th I would be pretty upset with OBD if they passed on him.
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Good read
I think the tendency to draft lineman is a good sign. I was going to wait until after the combine, but it might be time to unveil “My Big Fat Mock Draft”……it might include a few lineman :-)
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
Thanks Brian
Interesting how many DBs that San Diego in either the first or second rounds between 01 and 08. By my count, 7 of the 11 players DBs drafted were either first or second rounders, with Tay Cody as a 3rd and a supplemental 4th rounder on Paul Oliver (who I suppose should technically be on this list). In fact they drafted 4 CBs with their first pick (Jammer, Davis, Cromartie and Cason). I think that speaks more to the general idea that the Chargers drafted for need early and best available depth later though. CB was a glaring weakness for many years.
What I am definitely encouraged about is, despite the fact that they are picking players based on need, there is very little reaching. I was thinking about their trade back in the ‘01 draft. They desperately needed both a QB and RB, but didn’t try to force Vick in there, instead opting for the best RB (Tomlinson) and a QB they obviously had rated very highly in Brees. Time will tell if we can play the board that well, we have not done it in recent years.
Let's not forget
that San Diego was one of the least desirable landing spots in the NFL prior to 2006. From 1996 through 2005 they only had 2 seasons with a winning record coming in 2004 and 2005 under Brees. We all remember Eli not wanting to go to San Diego, mainly because of the reputation of the franchise. As the story turns out Brees becomes a star and Rivers has been fantastic with 3 winning record seasons and 1 at 8-8.
I would submit that while it appears Nix was involved in building a very nice team in San Diego it wasn’t until their QB got resolved. I think the same thing rings true here in Buffalo. Until we find our franchise QB, we won’t see the potential of this team. The QB is the catalyst to upturn of MOST (not all, there are exceptions) to a franchise.
We have good players on our roster now, and a good drafting class will make us better. But hitting a home run on a franchise QB is what will turn a dormant franchise into a viable contender and an attractive landing spot for free agents. And lastly will enhance the perception of how a GM drafts.
I just hope it doesn’t take Buffalo so long to find a QB that the league swings back to a RB-focused league.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 12, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Nix
I’m really hoping that in the draft this year we go with need in Round 1. Then after that BPA because we can’t say what position we need over others so might as well get some good players and find a way to get them to play. That or draft good players for depth, either way I’m hoping for some solid players
When I look at the drafting I see a solid overall plan. You bring in a bunch of O-linemen to protect your passer – get a solid QB, and good playmakers (that right there is the most frequent picks). You have now set up your offense to be explosive and you are putting the opposing team in a situation where they will need to pass A LOT to keep up with you; and the next most common pick is DB.
Makes perfect sense to me.
I don’t think Nix’s picks will follow that exact same rule, but at least it looks like there is a plan, and not some let’s throw these guys togethor and hope it works out!
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Mmmmmm
I know it’s a grain of salt and everything, but the Bills’ roster in a fairly different condition than Chargers’ was. I’m not sure if Nix can get away without acquiring a NT… unless they really believe in Kyle Williams.
Ugh, the Bills have so many needs, it really wouldn’t even kill me if they just took BPA all the way thru the draft. One thing I do like about the Chargers’ tendencies was not to draft OL in the 1st round. If there is a position that can be addressed after the 1st round it’s the OL. You may not find an immediate starter, but there are seemingly more successful OL than at any other position that came from later rounds.
And it just crossed my mind that a Philly fan the other day told me they needed DE for their pass rush in the draft. Does that set up a trade between Buffalo and Philly — Schobel for McNabb… or is Schobel more valuable than that (to the team)? I figured they’re both worth somewhere around a 2nd rounder.
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Ugh, the Bills have so many needs, it really wouldn’t even kill me if they just took BPA all the way thru the draft.
I agree completely, but if you aren’t on board with a OT and QB near the top of your draft you get hated on. Apparently most around here are still married to the low-talent hacks this team has employed for years.
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I thought Nix and Gailey were just hired???????
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
I meant players, not front office. Those two are new low talent hacks.
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If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
Sigh.......
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I'm positive your not negative ...... does not negative count as two negatives which is really a positive????
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
But what if I agree with Joe that you are not negative…does three not negatives make you negative again?
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I am postive that 3 not negatives would be negative...so if you are positive that K is not negative you can't agree with me
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
Need to draft the lines bad.....
should have been doing it the last few years………atleast 2009 was a decent start with Wood and Levitre.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 11, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions
One more disclaimer that I don't think anybody here has mentioned:
Look at how Brian broke these down. Yes there are lots of players taken for the o-line but that also counts 5 different positions. Only 5 for the D-line…well that is only 3 positions in the 3-4 that the Chargers employ. Yes it looks like the Chargers went o-line heavy through the years, but given how this was broken down that category covers the largest amount of positions. 15 is still a lot, but it isn’t as high as it may seem.
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As I said, though, 10 of those O-Linemen were OTs, and that’s only 2 positions.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 11, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but the 15 is for 5 positions. That was my point. Also that could be taken to mean that they had trouble hitting on good ones which is why they had to draft so many…..just saying.
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Well, 10 is for 2 positions and a further 5 is for 3 more positions. Maybe I should have just been as completely detailed as possible… :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 11, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
That
doesn’t mean they were necessarily drafted to play tackle, either
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by ForeignArrow on Feb 11, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Fine point Sir !
That is an excellent point – a lot of lower round tackles are projected to Guard in the NFL.
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Don't forget what Gailey has done too
When Gailey was in Dallas he did take Flozell Adams. So if anything their may be a general consensus to take OT at # 9. or drop back and acquire more picks and get a OT.
by danntheman on Feb 11, 2010 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Bills are DB orientated
Since 2000 the Bills have drafted…
Offense:
QB—2 using a no# 1 on JP and a no#3 on Edwards.
RB—9—-two no# 1’s—-McGahee and Lynch
WR’s-10—Evans as the only no#1 with Reed, Parrish and Hardy as no# 2’s.
TE-5—Everette was the highest as a no#3
T—7—Williams as a no#1
C—2—Wood was considered a center coming out of college.
G—5—Levitre the highest as a no#2
Defense
DB’s—19—Three no#1’s—-Clements, Whitner and McKelvin
LB’s—9—With Poz the highest at no#2
DT—7—McCargo as the only no#1
DE—8—Flowers and Maybin no#1’s and 3 no#2’s-Schoble, Denny and Kelsay
The Bills haven’t drafted a kicker since 1990..
The Bills tendency is to stock up on DB’s whether it is by need or BPA…
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you have to do something you never did.'
no offensive lineman in the first round
This is the most surprising detail, considering 15 offensive lineman were drafted.
Makes you wonder whether this was a philosophy of San Diego’s GM and whether Nix believes in this philosophy.
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by J2 on Feb 11, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
Sounds like Captain Obvious was into the Captain Morgan…
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you have to do something you never did.'
especially if he’s drinking spiced rum – nasty(probably why he said such an obvious statement – THANKS JIM TROTTER)
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Hey!
dkjfnsjn on’t you talk about the Captain like that!
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by ForeignArrow on Feb 11, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to believe there were 4 teams worse at protecting the QB than the Bills. I’m going to take a stab and say: Washington, Oakland, Green Bay and…hmm Cleveland?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 12, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Would anyone else be interested in seeing what it would cost
to get Bushrod from New Orleans in a trade. I don’t think he’d be that expensive and he could really solidify the line. Another lineman I’m interested in this offseason is Tony Ugoh. Your thoughts.
I wonder what it would take to pry him away...
The Colts weren’t happy with his injury concerns (do we really want to trade much for that?) and when he was hurt in ’08 he was replaced by C. Johnson, who kept the starting job in ’09. They used Ugoh as a swing T this year, so he might be available, but he has an acceptable contract, although a little expensive as a backup. He was 2nd rd pick, he signed a 4 yr deal in ’07 for $4MM, in ’10 he is set to earn a modest $690M. From what I read about C. Johnson, he is nothing to be excited about, not nearly as athletic as Ugoh, but much more durable.
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