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Inaugural Buddy Nix Approval Ratings

The Buffalo Bills hired Buddy Nix as General Manager on December 31, 2009. After six full weeks on the job, Nix has already built up enough of a body of work where we can begin a process that, yes, we're blatantly borrowing from stellar Kansas City blog Arrowhead Pride: approval ratings.

In those six weeks, Nix has accomplished quite a bit:

  • He fired former Vice President of Pro Personnel John Guy
  • He hired Pittsburgh's Doug Whaley as the team's new Assistant GM and Director of Pro Personnel
  • He hired Chan Gailey as the Bills' new head coach; this was Nix's first-ever coaching hire
  • He attended the Senior Bowl in Mobile, AL with Vice President of College Scouting Tom Modrak

Your duty here is simple: let us know whether you approve or disapprove of Nix's first moves as GM of the Bills, or whether you're still not quite sure what to make of him. We'll be conducting a similar poll for Gailey next week, and we'll keep tabs of both men in subsequent months to chart their approval progress or decline.

Poll
Do you approve of the job Buddy Nix is doing as Buffalo Bills GM?
Approve
1465 votes
Disapprove
107 votes
Not sure
431 votes

2003 votes | Poll has closed

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approve for now but,

I would at least like to get a year in the books before hearing this question.

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by NYTXFAN on Feb 13, 2010 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

The point isn’t to provide retrospect, it’s to chart the whole tenure.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling there will be a similar poll after free agency, after the draft, during the preseason, etc. That’s why it said inaugural. It’s not inaugural if there won’t be any more. And….up to this point, it looks different. I do agree w/ you though that only time will tell if it is actually different. B/c of that, I voted approve.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 13, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Every month, actually.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope this doesn’t become like the political approval ratings. Once a month might be too frequent for a FO position, instead I’d like to see it after some key milestones like bluecollarbuffalo suggests.

An example of an overdone poll is ESPN’s weekly coaches approval rating, which tracks pretty closely with wins and losses.

"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban

by NJBill on Feb 13, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll be doing Gailey per month as well.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 14, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

A monthly poll is OK for a coach since there will be around 4 data points to base it on. (This is much better than ESPN’s weekly coaches poll).

FO personnel should have a different timescale or they’ll just echo the coaching poll. IMHO the dates should be:

Post draft
Close of Preseason
Mid season
End of Season
+ possibly after a major event (e.g. coaching changes, significant free agent signings, hold-outs, etc.)

"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban

by NJBill on Feb 14, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted not sure

The Gailey hire was a disappointment. Maybe that will change over time. Loved the Whaley hire. We will have to wait and see if his time spent in the Sr Bowl was spent wisely.

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2010 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure

Whaley was fantastic. Gailey remains to be seen. I really like his no nonsense attitude though. That confidence he shows off makes me think he has a direction and knows how to get there. (redundancy?)

by BillsfanDan on Feb 13, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

What has he done?

Fired a guy they should’ve fired 5 years ago? Hired a HC who hasn’t been a HC in this league in over 10 years, after passing on guys like Billick, Marty Schott who fit the same criteria they where looking for, and those two guys have a combined 300 wins and Super Bowl title, yet they couldn’t warrant an interview?

Whaley is the only move I’m fully on board with. The Guy firing was a no brainer.

Nobody, including Gailey, haven’t done anything yet. Wait till after the draft and FA to have these polls.

"It took twenty five years to get there, and they did it in championship style" - Van Miller 1/20/91.

by Michael_Necci on Feb 13, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

The whole point they have made the entire time of searching for a head coach was to make sure they were going to get someone that is “on the same page” as Buddy. Billick, Marty Schott and a few others have tremendously overbearing egos in my opinion. THAT is the reason they didnt even get a look. The only way to have a chance to win in this league is to have that good partnership between the HC and GM among others.
The point of the poll was to ask if you agreed with them now. If you don’t agree, thats your opinion. If you dont think they should have these polls now, dont vote. Its simple.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

The ONLY person we as fans know had interest in the job was Brian Billick. I’m okay with him not being the coach. He never seemed to figure out how to fix a wounded offense.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

The polls will be monthly. Think of it as charting fan attitude.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe when the season starts they should be weekly....Monday mornings ;-)

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

oh dear god

The carnage that will ensue, especially if they have a rebuilding year…

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

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by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s really easy to say “The Guy firing was a no-brainer”, but somehow that had escaped the LAST couple FO’s. Nix could have easily not done it, and then you’d be disapproving the fact that he didn’t instead of saying “well duh!”

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree.

+1 rec’d.

"It took twenty five years to get there, and they did it in championship style" - Van Miller 1/20/91.

by Michael_Necci on Feb 13, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

yup...all aboard the Rec'd express......

well said.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Grade all you want.....

but what had the Bills done the last 10 years? You are grading Gailey out as a D as of now and he hasnt even been able to put his mark on this team. That makes me laugh.
I will admit, I was shocked with the Gailey hiring but give the guy a chance. Hell, we gave Jauron a chance and that in my opinion was one of the worst hires we had made.
As far as the switch to the 3-4, what else are they to do? We have been running the 4-3 for years now and lets face it…..WE SUCK! You said we dont have the personnel for it but hell, we just dont have “personnel” for any type of defense. So staying in a 4-3 or switching to a 3-4, in my opinion, wont make a bit of difference. We just MIGHT improve our D this year. Its all a guessing game at this point.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

oh man........its comments like this that make it hard for me to bite my tongue....
Hell, we gave Jauron a chance and that in my opinion was one of the worst hires we had made.

And obviously the Bills didnt learn their lesson from that hire….so they made the same mistake again (just an offensive minded guy instead)

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I think his point is that you aren’t giving Gailey a chance as coach of the Bills. yes his track record isn’t great, but it is better then some give him credit for.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Feb 13, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Didnt people say this very same thing about Jauron?
yes his track record isn’t great, but it is better then some give him credit for.

Whats that quote about those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it?

Maybe that should be my new signature.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Who cares what was said about Jauron. Chan Gailey is not Dick Jauron.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Here is the difference that you choose to ignore. Jauron had his time here. He was for the most part a failed coach with a losing record at Chicago. Gailey, while not overwhelmingly successful in Dallas, did in fact have a winning record and go to the playoffs twice. In fact he went to the playoffs twice in two years, compared to Jauron’s 1 in four. 1 in 7 if you count his Bills years. I really don’t see the similarities between the two. Is Gailey a great hire? Well time will tell…

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Feb 13, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I love how people trot out the 8-8 playoff season for Gailey in his second year as if it some great accomplishment.......

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

2009 Jets and Ravens

They got into the playoffs at 9-7.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 13, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

and the 2008 Pats were sitting at home with a 11-5 record....

Look I already made this argument……Since 2002 there have been 5 Wild card teams to make the playoffs at 9-7…………out of 17 teams that finished the season with that record…

That doesnt exactly make it a given that 9-7 will make the playoffs….you gotta win 10 to have a chance….especially in the AFC.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Not the argument

You said that making the playoffs at 8-8 isn’t a great accomplishment.

This isn’t an argument about “how” you make the playoffs, and what record you need.

Facts: Gailey is 2-2 making the playoffs. Jauron was 1-7. Big difference regardless of the record.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 13, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

And Gailey is 0-2....while Jauron is 0-1.......

So they have that in common.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Also not the point

Gailey is 2-2 getting his team to the playoffs.

Buffalo is ofer its last 10.

Only thing that matters.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 13, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay great.....

if thats all that matters to you, then there should be no problem……

But thats not what matters to me…..I mean if the goal isnt to try and win a championship then what the heck are we rooting for?

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to get to the playoffs before thinking about winning the Super Bowl

How many years did it take the Saints to actually make the playoffs? Same with the Giants. The Giants were ready to fire Coughlin the year he won the SB. It takes time. I want a HC that leads us into the playoffs. Then we can start talking SB.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 13, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry Der Jaeger. I just basically repeated exactly what you said. LOL…..Must have been writing at the same time.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont disagree with this point at all.

problem is…..I have no faith that the team will even get to the playoffs.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Then the issue isn't Gailey

Or Nix. The issue is you and your faith. Because there’s a bunch of folks, 72% in fact, that do have faith based on the events of the past month.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 13, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Bills fans by nature have to be optimistic......

every year we are optimistic……which is why Season Ticket sales are always up…..

They “want” to have faith……

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

How are we to have the chance of winning a championship unless we get “TO” the playoffs. I dont care what record we have, when you make the playoffs you are at ground zero again anyhow. Anything can happen.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Im glad Gailey inspires you to believe he can lead the team to the playoffs.....

I dont have that same kind of faith.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear there are a few west coast teams that are taking on band wagon fans. You might be interested. NO?

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL.....

so because im not a fan of moves the team makes that means I should go root for another team?

Thats absurd.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really absurd. It seems you are a fair weather fisherman with your arguments. To me, a Bills fan lives and dies with what we have in front of us as a team. We have opinions yes, but to be that total pessimist is ludicrous. Because they haven’t done what you, Norcaliangelsfan, wanted them to do, is absurd as well. I just figured that maybe you wanted to find that great organization that you were happy with so you might be able to find your ability to be an optimist.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

fair weather fisherman?

really?

Okay well then Im obviously done talking with you.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

just because norcali

has no faith the team will never get to the playoffs doesnt make him a fair weather fisherman. It actually means quite the opposite. If he keeps taking his fishing boat out into a raging storm that he never believes will actually end, I’d say he’s a pretty die hard fan.

Now, do I agree with you and DJ? Yes, I think you guys are right in this argument. But don’t challenge someone’s fanhood.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 13, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

thats right....

I’ve hitched my wagon to this ship..

Sure I may not get along with the capt….but at the end of the day Im still going to battle with him.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure I really wanted to challenge your fanhood Cali. I just wanted to be able to help you find a less bumpy ride in order to help with your happiness. LOL
My whole point is, you can’t change anything that happens. If you are a fan, then hang on for that ride no matter if its bumpy or smooth.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If he manages to get the job done, I am pretty sure you won’t bite your tongue and admit you were wrong, you’ll just find something new to complain about.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

knew it wouldnt be long until you showed up

:-)

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem admitting when Im wrong.....

I’ve done it here in this very thread.

done it in others too.

But I wonder…..if Im by some horrible catastrophic coincidence I turn out to be right…….will you admit that?

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Cali has eaten crow before. He does admit when he is wrong.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Feb 13, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

8-8 and playoffs...

Better then what Jauron did with the Bills. Look, I wasn’t in love with the Gailey hiring at first either, but I am willing to give the man a chance. Not every successful coach was a success at his first stop.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Feb 13, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

whens the last time an 8-8 record got any team that wasnt a division winner into the playoffs?

Give me a break with this argument Eric.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You want us to give you a break yet you constantly bash what the Bills have done and are doing because it is not what YOU preferred to see. Everyone has an opinion. Even you norcal. The point here is to understand that people have to remain optimistic. Just because some big name coaches had better records career-wise does not, in any way, mean they would have been a good fit for this team. We do not yet know what Chan might be able to do with this team. It seems to me that you are the eternal pessimist and if that is the case, I dont want to hear you come back, when the Bills finally turn things around and say that you were on board with anything.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong by Chan Gailey.....

But my gut tells me its not gonna happen……

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There is no getting around it Norcal. Chan is the HC. It doesnt matter now what your gut is telling you. Its time to see what product the team of Nix and Chan can assemble on the field. Opinions are like ********, we all have one. But to constantly bash something when you havent given it a chance is ludicrous. Patience is a virtue.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record....

I didnt want a ‘big name coach’ with a better record…..

I wanted a leader of men……a man who would inspire confidence.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't Gailey be that guy?

I don’t know if I believe he is, but it is actually possible….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

But his history says thats not the case.......

Thats why he got fired from Dallas, because Troy Aikman told Jerry Jones that Gailey had lost the team.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Who was going to lead that Cowboys team in decline?

Jimmy Johnson was a hard act to follow. Switzer never had the team, he just rode it to success.

Can’t really grade Gailey fairly in that situation. Especially since Aikman and others have come back to say they like to choice.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 13, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

So cant grade him for the NFL team he coached....

cant grade him for the “sub-par” college team he coached….

What the heck do we grade him on then?

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm totally grading him

That Dallas team was nearly incapable of being lead with all the prima donna’s. When that team was winning, anyone could have lead it. Losing, and it’s a hard task. I’m not going to discount Gailey’s ability there, especially considering he did make the playoffs both years.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

How about we grade him on what he will do with the Bills given the “chance”.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Never gonna happen though.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you mean he's not gonna be given a chance?

you think he’s gonna be fired before the season based on comments from lil ole me?

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I meant he could be graded based on the idea that there is a minuscule chance he might succeed rather than “HE SUCKS I HATE HIM HE WILL NEVAR SUCCEED F F F F”

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I have no doubt that he's gonna win games here at Buffalo....

Im positive he’s gonna be an 8-8, 9-7 type of coach…….which really isnt much different from what we already had.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

What we had was a 7-9, 6-10 coach.

Getting an 8-8, 9-7, 10-6 coach is markedly better.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

well you cant but the 6-10 season completely on him.....

because you dont know that they would have finished 6-10 with him at the helm….coulda been better, coulda been worse….

the 7-9’s course fit…….

I guess you think 9-7, 8-8, is that much better than 7-9…..where as I dont….

Now if he gets to 10-6….then yes I will say great improvement….I would LOVE to be 10-6 every year.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well calling him a 8-8 coach based on his NFL experience would be wrong, since his time has dealt between 8-8 and 10-6. So if we’re going by nothing but numbers as you seem so fond of doing, that’s definitely within Gailey’s reach.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

In the interest of full disclosure:

From “Reports: Bills may be leaning towards Chan Gailey” article posted on 1/18/10, UZ posted:

“Well, even I – the big "wait and see" guy, hates the idea of this.

Time to go kill maself! :D"

by StroudFanClub on Feb 14, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

True story, I didn’t like it at the time. In fact, I hated it. Similarly, I hated the Maybin pick when it happened.

But unlike some people around here, (yes, I am indeed talking about you!) my mind is actually open and I READ THINGS. After reading about Chan Gailey and escaping the morose attitude of everyone else here, I realized he was actually a pretty good choice.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 14, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

That's fine, you can change your mind.

In fact, if you were swayed to change your opinion because you did some research and found that your first reaction was off, I respect that alot.

But then you should be at least able to understand how other people may not be in love with the pick of Gailey, right?

by StroudFanClub on Feb 14, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

so if we read things and we chose to still not like him.....

that should be okay as well, should it not?

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 14, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

He's getting that chance.....

what I say here about it doesnt change that.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So then, what are your opinions of Pete Carroll, norcal?

I hate the opinion that a guy that coached for a few years without winning a Super Bowl is a bad coach. Give me a break. Chan Gailey had to follow up a dynasty in Dallas, with an egomaniac looking over his every decision.

I can’t say that I’m in love with him as coach. I believe I would have preferred a top assistant like Leslie Frazier. But the fact is that Nix wanted a guy with HC experience. And the more I think of the move, the more I like it. The reason is mainly due to my opinion that we would never be able to lure a top OC here to Buffalo. Therefore, the only way to improve our offense would be through hiring a head coach that would also run that side of the ball.

So in the end, is he Jon Gruden. No. But can he change our offensive identity and mentor a new o line, QB and young WR/TE core.

Absolutely.

by DJ O on Feb 13, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What I think about Pete Carroll is pointless here...

It had nothing to do with whether or not Gailey has or has not coached in a Superbowl…..

Again…..my gripe is why hire a guy who is (In my opinion) essentially the offensive version of Dick Jauron….

Look a guy like Chan Gailey, much like Dick Jauron has proven he can only take a team so far….We can “guess-timate” based on his previous head coaching experience that he’s good enough to be in the middle of pack record wise……(which is pretty much where the Bills have been for the last 10 years)

He’s proven that he isnt exactly a big game coach (his record in the playoffs, and his record in big time college games)

He has proven to be a very good Offensive Coordinator (which the team does need) but being a Head Coach is a different ball-game all together….

In the end what my opinion of Chan Gailey means jack-poop……….I know this…..but Im a passionate fan of this team……have been since 1988….and all I want is some reason to believe this team is going to be competitive and better than it has been for the last decade…

Chan Gailey does not inspire that confidence for me…..at all……

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, you may be the same age as me. 1988, I was at the Jets game with my Dad at Rich. We took down the field goal posts after clinching the division with an OT win created by a Fred Smerlas blocked field goal. That’s just about when it all began….Hi, my name is Dan….and I’ve been a Bills addict for 22 years.

You make good points about Chan, norcal. Personally, I really wanted Gruden, Cower or Marty S. But today’s great coaches, IMO, are all the OC’s of their team. Look at New Orleans, Philly, Minnesota, San Diego, Baltimore and Arizona. Hell, is there a bad team out there with a HC calling the plays?

I think the NFL is now, more than ever, a passing league. And without a ponafide star playing the position in Buffalo, it’s even more imperative to have a top notch OC. And I do not believe the Bills would have been successful in recruiting a OC here to Buffalo without having the stud QB to lure them.

I guess we will never know what happened during Nix’s recruiting of a HC. Perhaps a guy like Gailey told Nix straight up that he would not come to the Bills just as an OC. Perhaps a lot of OC’s out there also told Buddy the same. And if this very possible scenario was true, how would we change our offensive fortunes, in a passing league, without a top notch OC running the show?

by DJ O on Feb 14, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well then.....

I believe THAT is what you got in Chan. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

well I hope for your sake......

that Im the one who is disappointed then……..

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Hambone, how did you get yourself so on board with Gailey?

Per your post in the “Reports: Bills may be leaning towards Chan Gailey” article on 1/18/10:

“Can you be serious? All I can say is this……..
Really? Horrible, Terrible, Pathetic, Disgusting, Unbelievably dumb, Donkey-like move if they hire this fool.
I puked in my mouth when I read this and I am not getting a bit sick to my gut that I believe I just shat myself in disgust as well.
Hey, when we say we could do worse, yes, you are correct. We could hire a high school coach. Wait a minute, I think thats the type of direction Gailey will give us. Yes! Maybe we can compete in the high school football state tournament. Thats usually played at Ralph Wilson stadium isnt it? Hell, we might be competitive then. We can call that our playoffs. Woohooo…..Go Jills….Ooops…I mean Bills.”

Was this post of yours sarcasm? I didn’t think so at the time, but I just can’t wrap my head around how someone goes from an initial reaction that I just posted, to what you have posted today.

I’m not sure I have ever changed my mind so drastically on an issue from my initial reaction like it appears you have…..Maybe I should learn how….I would def be happier to be on board with Gailey. Was it just a bad initial reaction?

Not trying to call you out or be a jerk, just trying to understand how you turn your opinion around so maybe I can too.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 13, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yes.......I too would love to know.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

My God, you’re being an ass.

Just because you’ve dug yourself so deep into your little emo hole about Gailey doesn’t mean everyone else had to.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 14, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Why am I being an "ass" for bringing up prior discussions and posts?

Like I said, I would love to be on board with Gailey as head coach. But I just can’t for whatever reason. I see that some people here had strong negative opinions at first, but have seemed to change their mind recently…..help me to do the same! Is there something specific that you found out about Gailey that changed your initial opinion?

Seriously, not trying to be an “ass”…..and I don’t appreciate name calling either.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 14, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

well on the same token.....

just because you’ve “seen the light” and realized he’s not that bad of a coach, doesnt mean everyone else has to as well.

:-)

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 14, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

2004 had two 8-8 Wild Card teams

The Giants made it in 2006

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

hence my

“Especially in the AFC” comment.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I was responding to your question...

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if we played in the NFC....

I’d be a bit more excited about an 8-8 season :-)

But really….is an 8-8 season any different than what we’ve had the last 5 years……

One or two more wins a year?

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

…You realize that there were… what, 6 teams who went 9-7 and could have made the playoffs this season in the AFC, right? If we’re going with history, (we shouldn’t) something between 8-8 and 10-6 is what Chan will get us.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

and if just shooting for a wild card is the goal.....

then by all means it will be considered a success.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He has had a grand total of 2 seasons in the NFL, and he’s made the playoffs both times. One of them was as division champion, one was Wild Card.

I’m sticking to my story that Gailey’s past has just about no bearing as to what’s going to happen to him in Buffalo. He inherited an old egotistic team in Dallas, he’s getting a young, broken team here. There is ZERO way to tell what’s going to happen here.

And I think shooting for the Wild Card should certainly be the first priority of this team right now. If your goal this year is the superbowl, you’re dreaming.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Im definitely not naive enough to believe this team should go to the Super Bowl this year....

nor do I actually think a playoff birth this year is even possible…..

Im looking for some kind of improvement thats going to eventually get us to the wild card (consistantly) and then maybe start thinking about the Super Bowl…..(which should be the ultimate goal that the team is striving for)

Gailey’s gonna get some time (atleast 2 years before any “real” expectations of him should be levied)

Problem is for me…..when those expectations are out there……will he step up? (which he’s yet to do in his career)

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s never had to before. That’s my point.

He inherited a good Dallas team and did what they wanted him to do with it… and then got kicked out, for no good reason according to a lot of Dallas fans.

The expectations here are completely different than anything he’s ever faced before, so there’s no reason to say that you’re sure he’s going to fail, just like I’ll never say I’m sure he’ll succeed.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

obviously he didnt do what "they" wanted him to do with it.....

otherwise he wouldnt have gotten fired after two playoff seasons…….

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I should have said what they “expected” him to do, not wanted. They expected playoffs, he got there twice and was let go immediately.

The only knock on him is that he didn’t win either match-up, but he’s not quite up to the Jim Mora level of playoff failure yet.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You can’t say from year to year what record will make the playoffs in either division. The league is so diverse nobody can make that prediction.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

no but you can look back at the last few years and see a trend...

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I just really have no idea what your real issue is here buddy

You say that you didn’t necessarily want a big name coach, you also say that history says that Gailey isn’t the leader of men that you were hoping for. Couldn’t Gailey have learned form his previous experience? I am by no means comparing the two but Bill Beilchick flopped in Cleveland, don’t you think he learned something from that?

 You have no faith in the Bills front office and their ability to make decisions, well they have earned that lack of faith. But I think that maybe you should give Gailey a chance to prove himself AS THE BILLS HEAD COACH, before killing the man.

Also, I don’t think you are a fair-weather fan. if that were the case you would have left a long time ago….

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Feb 13, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

apparently i havent made myself clear on Chan Gailey.

Based on his previous HC experience (which is the ONLY thing Im going on) I have NO reason to believe that he is that much big of an upgrade of Jauron….

And if thats the case…….why fire Jauron in the first place?

I frankly just dont understand it…and no one on here has given me any reason to believe otherwise.

Maybe I should just put that in my signature lol.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How are we supposed to make you believe anything? None of us as fans know what the outcome of this whole will be. It is all opinions and sheer optimism or in your case, pessimism. lol
The only thing we Bills fans, yes you included (lol), have only our faith that we will finally see a season that havent seen since the teams of the 90’s. The only ones that can make you believe anything is the Bills. As many have said, let’s wait to see what they do in the draft and FA.
So, lets sit back and see what this new regime can bring to the NFL table.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If we just 'sat back' then we wouldnt be on here everyday discussing things

Like buddy nix’s approval ratings after 6 weeks on the job

now would we?

:-)

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And if thats the case…….why fire Jauron in the first place?

Jauron pre-Buffalo and Gailey have similar track records. But if you add in post-Buffalo to Jauron’s resume then it isn’t even close. Is Gailey a huge upgrade over Jauron? I think it is too early to tell, but I know this: Jauron wasn’t getting it done and needed to be fired. It was time to give somebody else a shot. Is Gailey the answer? I don’t know, but then you can’t tell me that a guy like Billick or Schottenheimer would have been able to do a better job. You are simply going by track record when assuming that Gailey won’t get it done, and as easy as it is for me to say that he can, I can say that somebody else with a better record couldn’t.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Feb 13, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Blind optimism is what sets us up for disappointment every year.....

sure it seems like Im being pessimistic, why cant it be looked at like Im being realistic?

You all seem to think I think the Bills are going to be horrible…..

I dont think thats the case at all…..i just think the team isnt gonna be much better than what it has been the last 6 years or so.

I would rather be wrong in thinking we’re gonna be better than I thought……instead of being wrong and the team being WORSE than I thought.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Norcal

I think your putting to much emphasis on one position i.e. HC. It’s the overall picture that matters. Buffalo has new people in FO & coaching staff now. Give this new regime a opportunity to prove it ’s self. If they fail then you can say told you so!

by buffalobacker on Feb 13, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont want to say "told you so"

Unless its to say “I told you so” about the Bills winning the Super Bowl.

And why shouldnt I put the most empahsis on the HC…..the team lives and dies with the Head Guy.

Which is why HC are hired and fired more often than FO personnel. (Sure you could say Assistants are fired more than HC, but then it goes back to the HC who selected the assistant)

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

My 2 cents

If I was able to comment on this discussion while it was going on, I would have been agreeing with almost everything Norcal is saying…..so he is def not alone in his views.

And can I please vote to disallow the saying “Give (person X) a chance!” How on earth is giving our opinion on this website not giving someone a chance? Is Ralph making decisions based on what he reads here?

Commenting on the Bills in general is all opinion. Norcal and I choose to look at past history and experience when making a prediction on how the Chan Gailey era may turn out. Prediction, that is all. Not rooting against. We are not taking chances away, are we?

Does this go both ways? If someone is really excited about Gailey right now, can I say “hey, give him a chance to suck! He is allowed to have every opportunity to be terrible!”?

by StroudFanClub on Feb 13, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You are absolutly correct

 You can choose to follow the Bills however you want. If you want to dislike everything the team does and be pessimistic in hopes of being pleasantly surprised in the future, that is your choice.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Feb 13, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I would hardly say I'm pessimistic about everything

I was optimistic heading into this year, for what turned out to be no good reason.

I am optimistic that the Whaley hire is a good one, that indicates a nice succession plan.

I was optimistic that the Bills were finally on the right track after firing Jauron and saying all the right things about going after a proven head coach. If I can believe the reports, then I am def proud of the Bills for going after Cowher, Shanahan, and Jim Harbaugh.

But I just cannot get behind the hiring of Chan Gailey. I’m sorry. I care too much about the Bills to just blindly hope that they get it right this time, when every feeling inside of me is telling me otherwise. Just can’t do it. Gotta be true to myself. I wouldn’t respect myself for setting some expectations for my team and then lowering them just so I can get excited and feel good about my team. Can’t do it.

Can I ask you this…..is there a guy that the Bills would have hired that you just wouldn’t be able to fully get behind? Or would you be able to talk yourself into rooting for anyone?

by StroudFanClub on Feb 13, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That is where your confusion is. It isn’t that I love the Gailey hiring, I think he COULD do a very good job and I am willing to give him a chance to either fail or succeed before damning him.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Feb 14, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh. Well, that's no fun. Wait and see is boring. This is a blog!

We are supposed to be discussing our opinions, how we like certain moves, what we would have done if the move was ours to make.

We offer so many opinions on this blog about so many different things that I just don’t see why this situation is any different. Why is this “wait and see” but not other topics?

by StroudFanClub on Feb 14, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

plus if we all agreed.........

it would be so very boring around here :-)

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I feel their HC “scapegoats” blamed for teams failures, when in fact it’s the whole organization that effects the team overall. Guess you gotta blame someone. I’d affix blame with those in charge of player personnel for Buffalo’s dismal record. I believe they’ve made changes this yr. to fix those problems.

by buffalobacker on Feb 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

read my comments to you above, that’s an answer.

by DJ O on Feb 13, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I responded.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s impossible to convince someone who has already convinced themselves of anything.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Gailey’s track record as a coach is MUCH better than Jauron’s. First he’s actually braught MULTIPLE teams to the playoffs as a HC. He’s also been the architect of very successfull offenses (playoff caliber) as an OC. Jauron could not have said either.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Gailey has been head coach for 2 NFL seasons. His team made the playoffs in both of them and the most stubborn man alive, Jerry Jones even admits he should not have fired Gailey when he did. His time as coordinator, he made the playoffs 10 more times and took a lifeless KC offense to fairly functional in only a year. His Ga Tech teams made 6 bowl games. Where is this poor track record everyone keeps talking about?

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

2-4 in those bowl games......

Losing to Arizona freaking Cardinals in 1998 when they hadnt won a playoff game in a billion years.

Going 0-5 vs his main rival UGA

Losing an ACC Championship game 9-6 to Wake Forest (With Calvin Johnson on his roster)

Losing to DUKE 41-17 in 2003.

Would you like more?

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you REALLY gonna nitpick the man’s BOWL record? he coached a 2nd rate D-1 program (compared to the SEC teams playing and recruiting in the same area) and did about as well as can be expected with GEORGIA TECH. It’s apples and oranges bro. How did Nick Saban do in the NFL?…..(crickets) A man’s college record has NOTHING to do w/ his abilities as a pro coach.

And really- you are gonna complain he LOST A PLAYOFF GAME when the Bills haven’t even sniffed one in a decade? You kidding me?

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

well he lost two....

and it says something to the effect that Gailey can only get a mediocre record from a mediocre school…..

And why is it that Paul Johnson came in the next year and improved that team dramatically……and in his second year took the same team to a BCS bowl game….

NOT to mention beat UGA in his first year there………….

Interesting no?

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick Saban. end of argument

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

lol............

Nick Saban is irrelevant to this discussion.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

it actually is relevant when you want to use what he did in college as a pro or con in terms of his pro prospects. Gailey has been a big part of winning teams in the NFL……alot

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

as a coordinator.....yes.....

Great…..like I said in another part in this thread, if he was hired as a Coordinator we wouldnt be having this discussion….

Difference is…a HC and coordinator are two different beasts.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

right, but Gailey is still 2 for 2 in playoff appearances as a coach. thats a fact. he didnt have the glory day cowboys either. he had the “over the hill and hanging on to their careers for dear life” cowboys

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

whatever man....

we can go back and forth on this all day…….

Damn I wish I could just not get myself in these discussions……

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too! :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 14, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

……Right, and Mike Davis took IU to the final four in 2002, one year after Knight was canned. nevermind it was Knights entire recruiting class and core of players, right?

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

says something about bobby knight then doesnt it......

Same Players, different coach, better results?

So has to be the coach huh?

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Davis has been slumming at the University of Alabama-Birmingham for the last 5 years. That tells you all you need to know about how responsbile he was for any IU success

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

UAB?

you mean a team that makes the field of 65 ever year…from a mid major conference?

Even winning games here and there…….plus they play tough basketball.

UAB isnt winning a national championship anytime soon thats for sure…..but Davis gets the most out of his players, which is a sign of a great coach.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you're just arguing to argue

Mike Davis? You’re arguing that he’s a great coach? At least get your facts straight.

you mean a team that makes the field of 65 ever year

Funny thing. UAB hasn’t made the Tourney since Mike Davis took over for Mike Anderson. In his 3 completed seasons, UAB went a mediocre 60-39 with 2 NIT appearances. Great job by a great coach, eh?

UAB was a better program before Davis arrived. The numbers seem to prove that….

You mention above that Indiana had the same players, Davis instead of Knight, and better results, therefore Davis must be the reason for the success. Nevermind the players improving and growing in the two years since Knight was fired, it had to be all Davis right? That IU team didn’t exactly set the country on fire that year, they just got hot in March. They were a rather mediocre 20-11 heading into the Tourney. Calling him a great head coach is like calling Jauron one.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

well stand corrected again.

shows how well I’ve been playing attention to UAB the last few years…….

Got my NCAA tourney seasons mixed up.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

hey but they are 18-4 this year!!!!!!

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

by the way....

if Gailey had been hired on as a Coordinator here……..you wouldnt hear one gripe from me.

However since he’s a HC….not a coordinator, that point you make doesnt matter…(kinda like my Dick Jauron comparison above)

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree. It absolutely does matter. a decade of playoff appearances SHOULD tell you that he knows that kind of offense it takes to get to the playoffs. I think you are too locked in on Angels spring training right now to process everything effectively :)

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

the Angels are a team I dont have to worry about.....

they have a great organization that has a commitment to winning…..they have an owner who actually knows what the heck he is doing, and a Manager that can make adjustments on the fly….

They are a model organization.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you’ll get no argument from me on that one :) They are very impressive

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet they aren’t winning championships either. They won ONE in 2002, which was 8 years ago. So, they are a model team yet only winning one championship?

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Theres been one team to win more than one championship the entire decade....

its been a different team every year…..

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Sox/Yanks each won 2 in the last decade (NY: 2000/2009 BOS: 2004/2007)

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Stand corrected.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL i would have thought that the decade started w/ 2001, but i learned some time back that 2000 was the first year. that crap gets so confusing

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

well you either have to go 2000-2009

or 2001-2010………

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

well i would also argue that when you start counting.....

you dont start with the number 0…..you start with the number 1…..then end with 10….

But..i guess its all a matter of perception.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true

Decades technically run from 1-10, not 0-9, since there was no year 0.

It sounds better to do it the other way though, so most people just use 0-9 as the decade so they can celebrate a new one every 10, like 2010

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by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you mean “there was no year zero”? Decades certainly DO begin at zero. Year 1 begins after the first 12 months. It’s just simple mathematical progression, which also begins at zero. Or am I missing something here?

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by dzil on Feb 13, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

...

I meant that between 1 BC and 1 AD, there was no year 0. (Unless you’re a Hindu) So the first decade ever in AD went from 1 AD to 10 AD, the next went from 11 to 20, etc.

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by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yes this

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

technically, a decade is any period of 10 consecutive years. When it begins/ends is irrelevant. Historically referenced decades are referenced by the base ten numeral.

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by dzil on Feb 14, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is ALSO wrong. When you say “The 60’s” you mean 60-69, but in the actual calendar’s terms, it was 61-70.

Look up the concept of year 0, it does not exist in the gregorian OR the Julian calendars.

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by UZ on Feb 14, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I am fully aware of the concept of the calendar that we use, thank you. The fact that there was not a year zero does not change the fact of what is recognized as a decade. Maybe you should do some research yourself. Then you would see that your decade reasoning, while valid, is not the commonly accepted definition.

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by dzil on Feb 14, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You think I give a damn what the Commonly Accepted definition is? The Commonly accepted definition is wrong, is my point. A decade by calendar terms starts at year 1 and ends at year 10.

Stop barking at me about that, it’s the truth. I’m not saying you have to start saying that, even I celebrated the new millennium at 2000, not 2001.

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by UZ on Feb 14, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I would think so.. Just like saying 70s, 80s, and 90s…. I don’t believe anyone thinks that 1990 was a part of the 80s… The first year essentially names the decade.

by Hayze on Feb 14, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

see above

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by UZ on Feb 14, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m a Red Sox fan, but i definitely agree that the Angels are well ran and a model franchise. Not everyone can throw countless money bags at players like Boston/NY.

by Caleb R on Feb 13, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Also a sox fan and agree the Angels are well run and a model franchise. I don’t believe the Angels payroll is that much lower then the Red Sox and nobody compares to NY, they are in there own class.

by TJJ on Feb 13, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

last year sox were 4th at 122 mil

Angels were 6th at 118 mil….

however the Sox payroll is prob much higher (especially with that Lackey signing) with the offseason and Angels will be lower…….

Angels are probably gonna be right around 6-10th again in payroll….thats about where Arte Moreno wants the team.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty close...

Higher probably, but I doubt much higher. Bay will pretty much offset Lackey. I know I shouldn’t be talking about this, but I really get annoyed when the Sox payroll gets lumped into the Yankees payroll. Nobody comes even close to the Yankees payroll.

As far as 6-10th, that’s the upper tier, there is a pretty big gap in baseball when it comes to payrolls.

by TJJ on Feb 13, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah....

but if they pay for that kinda player you should expect that kind of production (which I would say the Angels are in the top 5-8 teams every year lately)

So the team is making good use of its money…

Unlike the Bills, who I believe were around 10th in the league in salary, yet….they have the 9th pick in the draft. LOL

Not really great.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I looked it up....

Bills were actually 12th this year…according to USA TODAY.

Still……if the team got the production based on payroll….they would have been playoff bound….lol.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, the FO is far more important than how much you spend.

by TJJ on Feb 13, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

As a fan of a smaller market team, sometimes I wish the money bags WOULD open up, ugh.

It’s a damn good thing the Rox have a hell of a farm or they wouldn’t be the pretty good playoff contender they are right now, they’re a couple injuries away from collapse. :/

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by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d be worried about them this year.

by TJJ on Feb 13, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You are grading Gailey out as a D

No, I’m not. I’m grading Nix’s selection of Gailey as a “D”. As Michael Necci mentioned, there were other equally/more qualified/better resumed coaches out there at the time.
And, as MRW chronicled weeks ago, the 4-3 would have been a lesser stretch than going to a 3-4. We don’t have personnel to run it today. That will take draft and FA resources to accomplish. We didn’t suck because of scheme, we sucked because of talent and coaching. The decision to switch comes at a critical time.

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by fansince60 on Feb 13, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

And, as MRW chronicled weeks ago, the 4-3 would have been a lesser stretch than going to a 3-4. We don’t have personnel to run it today. That will take draft and FA resources to accomplish. We didn’t suck because of scheme, we sucked because of talent and coaching. The decision to switch comes at a critical time.

Critical time? Hasnt it been a critical time for 10 years? How about we step back a bit and look at what you are saying. “We didn’t suck because of scheme, we sucked because of talent and coaching”….So, we dont have talent but yet you want to stay in the 4-3. Does that really make sense to you? We might as well make the switch now and hope to watch this team grow into what we hope to be a contender within the next few years.

As far as resumes. Just because someone has a better resume doesnt mean they will be a good fit.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

i approved

i feel like Buddy has stabilized the organization after being in a free fall for a decade. and the thing about it is he stopped the bleeding in only 6 weeks. he hasnt gotten a chance to put his real stamp on the team yet, but he took some good first steps. he could have messed it up but he didnt…so that warrants an approval thus far to me.

by rdarden50 on Feb 13, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

Not Sure

I approve of Gailey (his options were limited), you have to remember this guy is not working for the Patriots or Steelers of the world… He is trying to lure a coach into a very unstable situation, considering the owner.

Having said that:

•He attended the Senior Bowl in Mobile, AL with Vice President of College Scouting Tom Modrak

Umm… Yeah he should have attended the Senior Bowl… But why the Hell is Modrack still around!

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Feb 13, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

I agree Jason. No way is Chan a D under the circumstances.

by radan on Feb 13, 2010 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Modrack is less of a problem than Guy was, and as long as Buddy is the king of the castle in scouting now, Tommy boy will be a lot easier to deal with.

I do agree he should have been fired tho.

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by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Leadership...

The Bills needed a person to come in and take charge which Nix certainly has done. Being the top dog he will have to make decisions that are unpopular, that goes with any management position. Nix has already given the team a direction and is setting the team up for future success. It goes without saying that all his decisions will not be correct but the hope is that he gets more right than wrong. At first I wasn’t on board with the Gailey pick but I do understand that he wanted a coach with the background of Gailey but most important he wanted a coach that he could work with to turn the Bills around. I do not believe that would have been possible if Cowher, Shanahan or Shotty were hired they would have wanted too much control. Only time will tell if Chan is the right choice and for me I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

We should all be thrilled that the 3 headed triumvirate that was making the calls and managing by committee is a thing of the past. Like Nix or not we now have a Leader!!!!

'To get something you never had,
you have to do something you never did.'

by Goose22 on Feb 13, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

I agree with everything you said. I think he did the job of getting a cohesive unit to lead this team. He’s made his objectives clear and has followed through with them so far. So with what we have to evaluate, I’d have to say that I approve of the job he is doing so far.

by TJJ on Feb 13, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Goose....

is spot on. What I like most about Buddy so far, is that he doesn’t give a sh*t what the public’s opinion is and he is charting the course that he feels will be successful. So far, I have a warm fuzzy feeling, today; who knows what could be causing it (could be biodegradeable). But I choose to be an optimist. Yes we Chan.

by Byrdeputt on Feb 13, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd hard

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by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree. I like how he has gone about things so far.

by Hayze on Feb 14, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Grades

Grades are for teachers, I’ll reserve my opinion till the season starts by how well they’re coached and if they field a competive, organized, 110 percent effort team.

by buffalobacker on Feb 13, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

how does one give 110%?

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

how does one give 110%?

Judging by news this morning, buy Bills season tickets…you’ll give 110% of what they cost last year.

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by fansince60 on Feb 13, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

HAHAHAHAH

awesome.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet their ticket prices are still some of the cheapest in the league.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Feb 13, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

110%

It’s a phrase used to motivate, everyone can give 100%, but 110% that’s effort!

by buffalobacker on Feb 13, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

its kind of a lie I think.....

if you have to tell your kids to give 110% then something tells me they arent even given 100%

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Please

Don’t take it so literally, was’nt meant to be literal, just a saying . Sorry!

by buffalobacker on Feb 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

oh no its nothing against you at all...........

I realize its just a saying…..lol…….I just think its a lame saying.

Thats all Im getting at :-)

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 14, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Approve

we have a GM. He has made decisions.

This is much better than where we were before.

I like Gailey

by can on Feb 13, 2010 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

I know you want me to vote Disapprove

So you can make some snide comment.

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all.

I am over that. I just wanted to know what you thought so far. Of course you can by my signature line how I feel.

I want to have Buddy Nix's baby.

by taskersd on Feb 13, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Over what?

Unwarranted personal attacks? I hope so!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 14, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure

K is waiting for the – I’m grumpy and pessimistic so I hate everything choice to appear.

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by sireric on Feb 13, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

hAhahahahaha

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by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

Still waiting….

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by Kurupt on Feb 14, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hiring Nix was a good Team move..

He’s smart and He’s patient,so I think He’ll make more good moves than bad ones.Nobody’s Perfect.His tenure and insight in the league will no doubt bring better football minds as well as players to this area in my opinion..Changing everything and doing it right is no small task and I think that He’s the kind of guy that can do just that..Hiring Gailey kind of blindsided everyone,but as the draft inches closer I get more on board with the hire more and more..How the draft goes,and how we ultimately transition into a 3-4 defense will intrigue me..

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by 3nOutNoMore on Feb 13, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

I voted approve

The first vote essential asked if you think Nix has put together a plan, laid the foundation to execute that plan, and provide direction to those executing the plan.

For all, the answer is yes, IMO. He hired exactly the guy he said he wanted (based on qualification he listed as important). He’s put someone capable in charge of pro personnel, and at the same time put in place an eventual successor, something that shouldn’t be ignored considering Wilson’s level of comfort hiring people from outside the organization. His head coach puting together a “teaching” staff, which Nix said he wanted.

Pretty good.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 13, 2010 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Approve

Watching the first Nix’s interview on BB.com, and comparing to his decisions, I could see that he’s been very coherent with what he proposed to do, and with his beliefs in football. This is very important for any manager.

I only question that he takes too much time to make a move for HC who was already available for long time, but I understand all of his motivations.

I’d like to see what will be his draft plan. With D changing for 3-4 and the poor Offense we showed last year, will be interesting to see what approach he’ll choose.

by hightower_mc on Feb 13, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

nix approval

he gets high marks if for only getting rid of john guy.asst.g.m. hire great for the future.head coach,i’m happy with,but,time will tell on him.
         RAISING TICKET PRICES ARE AN INSULT TO THE FANS!!!!!! WITH SUCH AN INFERIOR PRODUCT,HOW DOES WILSON JUSTIFY THAT?? HOW??
         i see good things for the future of the bills,seems like good personnel moves,wilson will soon be taking his lame ownership butt to another place,new ownership in a few years.i like where things are going for the team.

by charles t on Feb 13, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

LOUD NOISES!!

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Feb 13, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Ticket Prices....

RAISING TICKET PRICES ARE AN INSULT TO THE FANS!!!!!!

I know it is hard to except but the Bills still offer one of the cheapest in the NFL. Living in Fla and going to games around the state the Bills tickets are a deal (I also fly home once a year to catch a game).

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you have to do something you never did.'

by Goose22 on Feb 13, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

They still have reeeeeally cheap tickets compared to most other teams.

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by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I like what Nix has done

He gets my approval simply for changing the culture around here over night. It FEELS different being a fan of this team. There is a semblance of direction. Heck, maybe I should be thanking Ralph Wilson for that?

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 13, 2010 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

by the way

for the record……i said not sure. I like some stuff, and dislike others (obviously)

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

No opinion

I’m surprised that only 4% of this poll disapprove of the job Nix has done considering how out of the blue the Gailey hire was and how nondescript and low profile the coordinator choices were…personally, the Gailey hire doesn’t bother me because I wanted offense and I like the switch to the 3-4 defense, but such unwavering approval from Bills Nation seems strange to me.

As far as Nix goes, I need to see what he does with the QB position. If he half-@sses it with a Michael Vick or a Tyler Thigpen solution, nothing else positive he does this offseason will ultimately matter. The QB solutions out there are scarce and it’s Nix’s JOB to secure a winning option at QB in Buffalo. The Gregg Williams regime apparently liked Drew Brees, but settled for Bledsoe, the Mularkey regime apparently liked Roethlisberger but settled for Losman, the Jauron regime liked playing timid offense and so they propped up a puppet QB in Trent Edwards…Find a QB or fail like the others, Nix and Gailey.

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by Port Royal on Feb 13, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

I still have no idea how Gailey was “out of the blue”, since we had to wait what, a couple weeks before he was chosen? Unexpected, perhaps. Out of the blue, no.

It didn’t help that the fanbase was drooling over Cowher so much they weren’t even paying attention to any other possible candidates.

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Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So you really thought Chan Gailey was a contender for the head coach position?

God I wish everyone documented their thoughts, expectations, and lists of head coaching candidates before the Colts game….I swear I didn’t see Chan Gailey’s name anywhere on these boards during the coaching search until it was leaked that he was the front runner a few days before hired.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 13, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

…That’s the exact opposite of what I just said. If I DID think Gailey was going to be the head coach, I wouldn’t have written what I wrote above.

What I was expecting was somebody who wasn’t a big name. That’s why Gailey wasn’t out of the blue. Unexpected, yes. Out of the blue, no. Like I said, people like you were too busy sucking the Cowher teat to even remotely think a small-name guy was going to come in, but I was expecting it.

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Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 14, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

the problem here is that

because of when we’re doing this, it is by it’s nature premature. I understand we’re trying to get a starting point, but that doesn’t change the fact that we’re judging all these moves prematurely, which obviously is going to lead to some disagreements, because nobody is going on facts, just gut feeling.

my feelings:
Chan Gailey might be an ok hire, we don’t know yet. What we DO know, though, is that every single report about the process was that it was a mess. that’s not a good sign.

on the other hand, firing guy and hiring Whaley was exactly what I wanted to see.

On the whole, I approve.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 13, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

These are two excellent observations..
Chan Gailey might be an ok hire, we don’t know yet. What we DO know, though, is that every single report about the process was that it was a mess. that’s not a good sign.

on the other hand, firing guy and hiring Whaley was exactly what I wanted to see.

Nice JPH.

When we win, I'm so happy I eat a lot. When we lose, I'm so depressed, I eat a lot. When we're rained out, I'm so disappointed I eat a lot. - Tommy Lasorda

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

“the problem here is that
because of when we’re doing this, it is by it’s nature premature. I understand we’re trying to get a starting point, but that doesn’t change the fact that we’re judging all these moves prematurely, which obviously is going to lead to some disagreements, because nobody is going on facts, just gut feeling.”

These are also excellent observations.

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by Dyl on Feb 13, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I disapprove

Love the Whaley hiring, don’t like the Gailey hiring.

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by BillsNYC on Feb 13, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Very much approve.

I think that every major move he has done so far is a step in he right direction for this team. The only thing that i even see as questionable is the switch to the 3-4, but then again he<s drafter for the 3-4 his entire career and know more what to look for in the draft for that allignment, so again to me thats a step in the right direction.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2010 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

The nature of a grade is that it is given out for a completed task.
However, arguing about the legitimacy of Jan-through-half of Feb being a zone of completed time leads nowhere because it is totally a matter of personal perspective.

It is possible to give grades for Nix’s work up to this point. It is also possible to prefer to see “up to this point” as an “incomplete” zone of time in which grading would be premature.

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Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!

by Dyl on Feb 13, 2010 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

Nix for President

Kidding.

But I like all his moves. Of course, Gailey came out of left field. But the more I see these changes (i.e. 3-4, HC running the Offense), the more I like it.

by DJ O on Feb 13, 2010 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

He could have Gailey as his VP!

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Syracuse Basketball 2010: Making Hoya's cry.

by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted approve

So far, it looks like there’s a real plan, a plan other NFL teams would do. Not the stuff from 2006 – 2009 where it was seemed like the FO was throwing darts blindfolded at a dart board in every capacity.

Of course this could all be a fascade when the draft comes around and they draft 6 cornerbacks in a row ;-)

by sabre74kkn on Feb 13, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Voted Approve, because he did exactly what he said he was going to do and did NOT majorly screw it up in that period of time. He got our HC, he fired the most hated man in Buffalo (Guy) and he got together a staff of teachers which can only help this young team.

For anyone who is going to argue that the Gailey hiring qualifies as “Majorly screwing it up”, you don’t know how good he is going to be, neither do I. His track record shows him as mediocre to good, which is a hell of a lot better than I thought they were probably going to reach for. His track record also has him as being great with QB’s and able to orchestrate great rushing attacks, perfect for buffalo in my eyes.

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by UZ on Feb 13, 2010 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry to say, but I am one of the 69 people so far who have voted "disapprove"

although I was very close to voting “not sure”, since we have no real results to base his decisions on so far. But voting “not sure” is no fun!

Firing John Guy- I guess I approve, since I have noticed that the Free Agents the Bills sign usually don’t perform up to expectations. So if John Guy is the person making these decisions, we had to go. I would hope any GM would have made the same choice, but you can never be sure.

Hiring Doug Whaley- This is the best thing Nix has done so far, in my opinion. Love almost everything here. Great organization to raid, like the fact this guy is younger, and love that this signals they have a good succession plan in place. Very encouraging.

Hiring Chan Gailey- So with two approves so far, how does Nix get an overall disapprove? Glad you asked. Chan Gailey as head coach. As I stated above, I just can’t get behind this one at this point. I hope he proves me wrong. It seemed like the Bills were doing the right things in the coaching search….I loved almost everyone they were rumored to be talking to….Cowher, Shanahan, Jim Harbaugh, ect. And then all of a sudden, it was as if they “gave up” and just said, "hey, I know a guy who will def take the job….: and thus, Chan Gailey as head coach. Once again, I hope he proves me wrong. But this is how I currently feel.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 13, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

I've got your back in this, buddy.

Just know that I really respect the fact that you have been so consistent in your opinion of Gailey. I just went back and re-read the “Report: Bills may be leaning towards Chan Gailey” post….and many of the people who are approving today were DEF not saying nice things about the hire at the time.

At least we can look ourselves in the mirror in the morning and know that we did not go against our gut by just blindly rah-rahing this move.

But again, I hope to God we are proved wrong.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 13, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I can understand why people want to believe......

I dont see anything wrong with that……….its not fun feeling negative about the future of the team.

But like you I refuse to just accept it and be happy with it and move on……when Im really not.

I accepted it with Jauron, even though my gut said not too……….I, unlike the Bills, refuse to make the same mistake twice.

The main problem I seem to be running into is that people just assume I think Gailey and the Bills are going to go 1-15 every year……….and thats completely untrue.

I just dont think Gailey is that big of an upgrade from what we previously had…….and for the life of me, I cant understand why they wouldnt want to truly blow this thing up and start over………it kinda seems like a piss poor attempt at rebuilding.

But I’ve been wrong before…….and will be wrong again.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 13, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Completely right. I would love to believe as well.

In fact, I am a very optimistic person, though you prob can’t tell just from reading my posts the past few months.

I will still root for the Bills. I hope Chan Gailey proves both of us wrong. I hope that everyone debating us here gets to say “I told you so”. I even wish I could just somehow let my heart overcome my brain and get fully on board with Gailey.

How about this: Can we think of a success story similar to Gailey? Can anyone give the name of a coach who had success with a team after having a similar resume to Gaileys? (ie: Last NFL head coach job was 9-10 years ago, but he made playoffs with prior team. Fired from NFL head coach job, college head coach job, and OC position (but had some success in bettering that offense) before getting second chance as NFL head coach.)

I feel like if I can at least think of 1 or 2 guys who come close to traveling the same path as Gailey and had success still…..if I can see someone has done it before, I could get on board easier…….suggestions anyone?

by StroudFanClub on Feb 14, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Dick Vermeil is the first name I think of..........

well thats the only name I can think of.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 14, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Belicheat IIRC made the playoffs one year with the Browns while he was there (and I think lost to Bledsoe and the Pats). Then left the Browns in 1995 and came back to the Pats in 2000 ….

by sabre74kkn on Feb 14, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah that works too......I guess.

(FYI – Belicheck lost to the Steelers)

But nonetheless I guess it works.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 14, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Belichick kinda works, but not really

While it’s true that he was head coach of the Browns from 1991 to 1995, with poor results, save for a playoff appearance in 1994, that is where the comparison breaks down, because the very next year he signed on in New England as defensive backs coach/ assistant head coach, and they went to the Super Bowl that year.

Then, he signed on with the Jets, as defensive coordinator/ assistant head coach and even became head coach (for like a day) when Parcells stepped down. So it’s not like Belichick was out of the NFL at all. He was assistant head coach each year that he wasn’t a head coach.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 14, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Vermeil is interesting because he was successful after the long layoff from football

BUT: He was never fired. He “retired” as head coach in Philly, after winning Coach of the Year honors and a Super Bowl appearance a year before. Long layoff….then head coach of St. Louis….Super Bowl win….retired again. Head Coach with Kansas City……playoffs…..retired again.

That is in sharp contrast to being fired multiple times.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 14, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL. 95% of this thread is bitching about Chan Gailey. It was a SATURDAY, people! Lighten up! :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 14, 2010 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

IMO

Nix has done a credible job in the 6 weeks he’s been here.

Could he have done better? Maybe.

Could he have done worse? Most definitely!

Only time will tell. I see people are still complaining about the Gailey hire, but I think it’s premature to pass judgement on the guy. What was Belichick’s record in Cleveland? What was Marv Levy’s record in KC? Point is, head coaches are usually better the second time around. I’m willing to cut him some slack at least until I see what kind of team takes the field this fall for Buffalo.

And with the 9th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select...Hey, Buddy, you can't select a high school senior!!!

by Blitz on Feb 15, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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