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State of the Bills Roster: Safety

Chan Gailey's first, and already his boldest, move as new head coach of the Buffalo Bills has been to install a 3-4 defense, led by defensive coordinator George Edwards. While no one's sure exactly what that 3-4 system will look like, it'll be a fairly dramatic change for a Bills team that has run the 4-3 as its base defense since Gregg Williams' arrival as head coach in 2001.

While the majority of that overhaul will take place in the defensive front seven, perhaps Gailey's smartest coaching hire came in the retention of defensive backs coach George Catavolos. Hired by Dick Jauron in 2006, Catavolos has decades of experience coaching in the secondary, and having spent four years in Buffalo already, he'll be keenly aware of exactly what type of talent the team possesses in the defensive backfield.

Buffalo has invested quite a bit into the safety position over the last four years. Of the seven they currently employ, four were Jauron-era draft picks, with one of them turning into perhaps one of the elite young players at his position. After the jump, you'll find our analysis of Buffalo's talented and deep safety position.

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What the new regime might be looking for
Does "more of the same" work here? Buffalo's safeties intercepted a whopping zero passes in 2008, as the team managed just 10 in total. A year later, Jairus Byrd nearly eclipsed that total himself (9), while the team hauled in 28 interceptions on the season. Of those 28 picks, 19 of them came from players that we'll feature in this article. I don't think the new coaching staff would be averse to this group combining for 19 interceptions next year.

Current personnel
The Bills currently employ seven players that we consider safeties as the team transitions to the 3-4 defense (with second-year defensive back Cary Harris, a cornerback at USC, the only player that might raise some eyebrows here).

Jairus Byrd. The 2009 second-round pick that everyone loved to hate turned into the player that everyone loved to love. Despite dealing with nagging injuries throughout the year - and yeah, those injury issues are a huge concern as Byrd enters his second season - Byrd put together an unforgettable rookie season in which he intercepted nine passes and was Buffalo's lone Pro Bowl representative (he didn't play after landing on IR). We're not sure if Byrd will ever be considered one of the elite all-around players at his position, but he does possess elite ball skills and, to say the least, a flair for the game-changing play.
  Contract status: 3 years remaining. Owed $1.44M in base salaries.

Donte Whitner. Set a career high in interceptions (2) while missing six games due to various ailments. So he's got that going for him. 2009, however, was somewhat disappointing for Whitner, as his purported move to free safety was nullified by Byrd's emergence, and injuries allowed other players to shine in his spot. Now, he's entering essentially the final year of his rookie contract with only a very weak grip on a starting spot and the prospect of earning the job under a regime that didn't draft him eighth overall. Nothing will be handed to Whitner anymore; perhaps that'll be the catalyst to an excellent 2010 season. Perhaps.
  Contract status: 2 years remaining. Owed $4.4M in base salaries. Final year is voidable.

George Wilson. Saw time at free and strong safety as the Bills continued to have injury issues, and had one heck of a season despite doing different things. Nabbed a career-high four interceptions playing next to Byrd at strong safety, and added 103 tackles, two sacks, a forced fumble and six defended passes. He's a leader for the younger guys in the secondary and on special teams, and is easily one of Buffalo's most valuable reserves anywhere on the roster.
  Contract status: Restricted Free Agent

Bryan Scott. Scott showed his true value as a smart veteran by making a nearly seamless switch from starting strong safety to starting outside linebacker last season. He acquitted himself rather well, though obviously, he's at his best at safety. He's a UFA, but the Bills would be wise to bring him back as a third, in-the-box safety option on run downs in the new 3-4.
  Contract status: Unrestricted Free Agent

Cary Harris. Started his rookie season on the practice squad after a very quiet pre-season, but eventually migrated to the active roster after the injury bug bit. Saw his first action of the season at free safety, of all places, in the season finale, and picked off Peyton Manning on his first series. That's not bad. His best shot might be as a free safety now that the Tampa 2 is out of the equation.
  Contract status: Exclusive Rights Free Agent

John Wendling. A sixth-round pick in 2007, the Bills have gotten solid value out of Wendling despite his rarely seeing the field as a defender. He's developed into Buffalo's most valuable special teams player not named Brian Moorman; it will be interesting to see whether or not his credibility is completely retained as the team transitions coordinators, from Bobby April to Bruce DeHaven.
  Contract status: 1 year remaining. Owed $550K in base salary.

Todd Johnson. Signed as a street free agent when the team lost several of its specialists to injury. Unlikely to return as anything more than a camp body and specialist, and even that's a stretch given the presence of Wendling.
  Contract status: Unrestricted Free Agent

Who stays? Who goes?
Honestly, I think everyone stays aside from Johnson, a street free agent with little value above that label. Byrd and Whitner, when healthy, are an athletic, if small, starting duo. Wilson and Scott should be re-signed, and both are capable as fill-in starters and good on-field leaders. Wendling really is an excellent specialist, and even Harris flashed some play-making ability in the season finale win over Indianapolis, nabbing two interceptions in the (meaningless) victory.

If I were a betting man (and no, I'm not)...
Byrd and Whitner begin the season as starters - unless, of course, this strange rumor that Whitner is headed to D.C.comes to fruition. (Whitner, for the record, has flatly denied that rumor on his Twitter page, though he obviously doesn't have much control over where he plays this year, either.) Wilson and Scott are re-signed because they're dependable, consistent vets with cheap price tags and the ability to wear a lot of hats. Harris is retained as a camp body and given a shot as a ball-hawking safety, and Wendling is given another shot to earn a roster spot based purely on his special teams prowess. Long story short: I anticipate the status quo, and there shouldn't be many problems with that.

Names to keep an eye on
I don't have any external names for you, because I don't think there will be (m)any brought in of note. I'll submit Wilson's name for this chunk of the article, because he really is a solid player. He's a good leader, a great locker room guy, and productive both defensively and on special teams. As a reserve, he has tremendous value, and Buffalo would be foolish to let him walk.

Previous installments of the State of the Bills Roster series: QB, RB, WR, TE, OT, G/C, DE, NT, OLB, ILB, CB.
Pos. STARTER Backup Reserve Reserve
WR2 Josh Reed Steve Johnson Justin Jenkins
LT Demetrius Bell Jamon Meredith
LG Andy Levitre* Kirk Chambers
C Geoff Hangartner*
RG Eric Wood* Richie Incognito
RT Brad Butler* Jonathan Scott
TE Shawn Nelson* Derek Fine Derek Schouman Jonathan Stupar
WR1 Lee Evans* James Hardy Roscoe Parrish
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick* Trent Edwards Brian Brohm
RB Fred Jackson* Marshawn Lynch*
FB Corey McIntyre
LE Spencer Johnson*
NT Kyle Williams* Lonnie Harvey
RE Marcus Stroud* Ryan Denney
LOLB Aaron Maybin*
LILB Paul Posluszny* Keith Ellison Nic Harris
RILB Kawika Mitchell*
ROLB Aaron Schobel* Chris Ellis
CB2 Terrence McGee* Reggie Corner Ellis Lankster
SS Donte Whitner* Bryan Scott John Wendling
FS Jairus Byrd* George Wilson Cary Harris
CB1 Drayton Florence* Leodis McKelvin* Ashton Youboty

LEGEND
Italics = Players that could earn starting spots
Bold = Projected free agent re-signings or tenders
* = Player I consider a mortal lock for the 2010 roster

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This is one area where the Bills are pretty strong. Although…. Whitner could easily be traded if a sutor can be found. Might be able to work some mid to late round picks as a result.

by JJBUD on Feb 15, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

I like this group

I definitely think Wilson should/will be kept around. I think he is great depth. Scott I think did really well as SS and IF Whitner is traded I don’t see a huge loss, and wouldn’t be opposed for some decent draft picks in return. But if Whitner stays, I think this could be a great safety combination.

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by Ghetts on Feb 15, 2010 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Not much to disagree with in this thread. Byrdman at FS and Whitner/Wilson at SS. I saw that Whitner to the skins story yesterday and it got me thinking at least… Brian what do you think a team like Washington would give up for a player like Whitner? Its a confusing situation and not sure if theres much to truth to it.

I like Byrd – Wilson more than I like Byrd – Whitner. But if Whitner ends up the starter at SS I wouldnt be too upset. Safetys are pretty good on this team. From starters to reserve.

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 15, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

LOL.........
(with second-year defensive back Cary Harris, a cornerback at USC, the only player that might raise some eyebrows here).

Not if you asked this guy……but of course…me being the Pac-10 homer….

Remember when we drafted him?

People were livid over taking ANOTHER DB..

But my post in the thread where we selected him was kinda spot on.

Harris can sit on the PS for a year…..and learn….and is a good insurance policy

Looks like getting all those DB’s did actually help, instead of getting another DL-men (which is what everyone apparently wanted)

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

What did getting all those DB's help with?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

They all ended up playing because of injuries..........

meanwhile the DL stayed relatively healthy.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yay??

I don’t think playing Cary Harris against the Colts or having Ellis Lankster active a few times would have been any different than picking up a couple of street free agents. Haha

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

thats probably true........

but atleast the guys drafted got some seasoning with the team….and learned the system instead of picking up some random scrubs and thrusting them into action.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

More to the point I think, if we had picked up, say another three technique tackle late in the draft, we may very well have another poor system fit on our hands. It seems like all of the DBs have skills that are fairly translatable.

by PozDispenser on Feb 15, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

is it safe to say

the bills are safe at safety?? hahaha i couldnt resist.

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Feb 15, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

HAHA OMG look what I found in the Cary harris draft thread....LOL
wow …
 … i like this pick better than the disaster 2nd round Jairus Byrd pick, but still … i guess i just still haven’t been able to stomach the Byrd pick. It makes me feel sick …

by fami1y_first on Apr 26, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Whoops…….lol

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Wilson

better start over that bum Whitner.

by redbills on Feb 15, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Personally

I agree with this assessment. Wilson opened my eyes last year and I want him on the field.

Aaron Maybin is DeMarcus Ware 2.0.

by Port Royal on Feb 15, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade

Trade Whitner for whatever we can get

by rick p on Feb 15, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

Oh man I love the archives......

K – you should go back and read the Jairus Byrd thread….you said some doozy’s in there.

For those interested…..you can find it here: Bills draft Byrd

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

haha thanks. I wasnt on here yet but from what ive read over the months that pick was torched.

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 15, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I stand by those

if the Bills had kept him at CB

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is my personal favorite:

I can’t believe I wasted all this time investigating prospects only to see us pick this dude.

Laughed out loud at that one.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 15, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

He was probably one of just a small handful of the players drafted in the first 3-4 rounds that I didn’t gather more info on. Oh well.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I get a savage pleasure out of reading the comments in that thread. I’m sure you do too, cali. :)

However, many of the reactions got more logical once everyone calmed down. Hooray, semi-rationality!

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

see.....there might be hope for me yet.....

for a certain coach I will refrain my naming lol

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I went back through and read them

Some of the comments were funny! bet if you go back on a lot of old posts the reactions would be funny.

by The Irishman on Feb 15, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, there seems to have been some sanity regained late...

Mainly about Levitre, which is another amazing find … I find it amazing that the Bills had such a talent-producing draft (nearly everyone drafted is on the chart… no, check that, everyone is on the assembled depth chart, three in the starter column and two with the chance to contend) and had such a horrible year, but that’s what havoc injuries are capable of wreaking. (That, and never quite replacing Jason Peters until, hopefully, this year.)

by MadmanJack on Feb 16, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I enjoyed that

Can’t grade a draft on draft day!

by Der Jaeger on Feb 15, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, you can’t grade it one year after draft day either.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 15, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Solid

Definitely the most dependable part of the defense. Hopefully Byrd develops his run-stop a little more but other than that I couldn’t be more happy with the safeties

by mac perry on Feb 15, 2010 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

In the new system, he shouldn’t have to. The front seven in the 3-4 is more of a layered defense where the LBs have a chance to catch what the DL miss. The Tampa 2 doesn’t have that same layering. In Tampa 2 the line and linebackers all form one layer filling the gaps on run downs. If one player misses his gap, the safeties / corners have to try to stop the runner. That’s why it kind of worked as feast or famine last year. There were run plays, even series of run plays where our defense would get tackles for loss repeatedly only to give up a 20 yarder because someone wasn’t in position in time.

The one thing I hope comes out of the new defensive system / personnel is the ability to read and react properly on counter / reverse plays. It made my eyes bleed every time I saw the guys overpursuing the fake, even late in the year when all of the injury replacmeents should have known better.

by syrbillsfan on Feb 16, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a solid unit

Don’t really need to do anything to this group. If they were to unload Whitner, we’d probably have to add someone in the later rounds or another vet unless Cary Harris is kept around as a certainty. I couldn’t imagine any team trading anything of value for Whitner, and it does the Bills no good to trade him for peanuts. He’s good enough to be kept as a rotational player, though I hope they quit trying to make him some hybrid SS/FS/CB.

Hopefully, Byrd really improves his game this off-season. He has to become a better tackler and run defender if he’s going to ever enter the elite safety conversation. We can’t expect 9 INT’s every year, so he has to be able to improve the rest of his game as well. I still think he was a step slow in recognition and coverage many times this past year, so hopefully a full off-season under his belt will help his transition even further. He has the mental makeup to be a consistent playmaker and star back there, we just have to hope he can improve on those weaknesses to become an all around player.

I wouldn’t be mad if George Wilson was our starting SS next year. Or Bryan Scott. Those are two quality players, both of which I think are better run defenders than Whitner.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed on you assesment of Whitner. Unless we can get a mid rounder ofr him, it does us more service to keep him around as a rotational/situation guy at FS behind Byrd. I just honestly don’t want to see him at SS next year, Wilson has deffinatly done enough to earn the starting spot in my book. And Scott also outplayed Whitner at SS. To me if we keep Whitner, it should strictly be as a FS.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Can I just say that I love Wilson and Scott.

Actually, I like Cary Harris alot too. Thought he had a decent training camp, and love players from USC in general. Hey, if your good enough to play at USC under Pete Carroll, your good enough for the Bills, that’s for sure.

Love the depth here. Also love the potential.

If Whitner can fulfill his potential….look out! If Byrd gets better against the run….look out!

Even love the composition here. Scott and Wilson are the “vets”….Whitner is at least solid, yet unspectaular. Byrd is a playmaker. Harris has potential. Great stuff.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 15, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Whither has 4 seasons under his belt

Him reaching his potential at this point seems kind of unlikely. And that’s assuming he hasn’t already reached his potential….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with Whitner.....is that he isnt that HORRIBLE of a player......

but if you’re basing on where he was picked…….and who we could have picked instead…then yeah….people have a right to complain I suppose.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

But I really feel the draft is nothing but a gamble. Whitner “could” have been a stud, and the Bills looked at as geniuses of the first round. Ngata could have flopped, and made the Ravens look foolish for wasting the pick. Nothing’s set in stone, even if the pick looks solid.

Sure, Whitner looks like a poor 1st-round pick now, but I can’t say i’ve seen too much out of him that makes him a liability on the field.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 15, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

this is how I feel too.....
Sure, Whitner looks like a poor 1st-round pick now, but I can’t say i’ve seen too much out of him that makes him a liability on the field.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Given his less than impressive stats the past few years, you aren't alone in thinking he may not get better

But I see a 4 year vet, who is still only 24 years old, who had some growing up to do (run in with police in Ohio), but from all indications is intelligent (3-7 gpa @ Ohio St) and has leadership qualities (I know, it’s tough to argue or quantify that, but I think its true.)

Obviously, it would be much easier to grade his value if he would stop missing games due to injury.

So while he may not blow you away with his underwhelming stats, I really do think he still has some potential he could tap into and become a nice, maybe not star, player.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 15, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He's limited physically, IMO

He’s undersized as an in the box safety (leading to injuries) and just doesn’t possess the cover abilities, recognition skills or ball skills to be a very good FS.

I just can’t see him getting a whole lot better than he is right now.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's so difficult trying to defend Whitner, because I'm not certain he can be better

I’m just saying that I think the potential is still there. But maybe I am seeing false potential due to where he was drafted? That is def possible.

All I can say is that, while I can 100% see why people are ready to give up on Whitner and/ willing to trade him outta here, I am hoping with everything I have that the Bills didn’t swing and miss on another early first round draft pick in him. Especially since drafting him at that spot was One Bills Drive defying draft logic and popular opinion.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 15, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

He is still a good player, but Wilson and Scott are at least as good, if not better at SS. The idea in the past was to move Whitner to FS and give him the chance to make plays, but that’s unlikely to happen with Byrd on the roster. If all of that is true, and we can trade him for a decent draft pick, it makes sense to do it before he becomes a FA.

by Macktruck on Feb 15, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Might they not get more for him as a free agent loss? He was a top ten pick, afterall.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 16, 2010 7:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Bottom line: Just give Whitner a chance!

Jeez, give the guy a chance. To be questioning his potential before he even plays this year is reckless. I mean, what if Buddy Nix heard about this?

Just reserve your judgement of him until he finishes his career, please. : )

(sarcasm, if not obvious. K, I know you aren’t one of the “give the guy a chance” people, but it just seemed to fit best here.)

by StroudFanClub on Feb 15, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha
K, I know you aren’t one of the "give the guy a chance" people

Well, I know what you mean. But I am willing to give Gailey a chance to at the least turn our offense around before calling him ODJ (Offensive Dick Jauron).

I don’t mind giving guys chances, not at all. I’m not someone who wants to give a guy a 3rd, 4th, or 5th chance after proving nothing all along. I prefer to give Brad Butler a chance at RT because he’s a good player, has proven to be a good player and can succeed at RT if he can get his knee healthy. I think his injury woes are a bit overstated. I don’t think giving John McCargo another chance is worth the trouble, on the other hand.

Whitner falls onto the McCargo side of things for me. We know what he can and can’t do. If the team wants to make him a part time player, fine with me. He’s proven he’s not a star in this league, and I doubt he ever will become one.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Give a chance vs done with this guy:

Agree, McCargo should get no much chances in Buffalo. I do not even see potential he could have, as there are very minimal good/great plays outta this guy.

Butler, not sure about him. Mind as well give him a chance. Injuries are a very real hinderance to fulfilling potential.

Whitner, I am stuck hoping that the injuries (and his role in the defense, as he isn’t put into position much to make big plays) are what is keeping him from reaching potential. But again, it is a very real possibility that what you see is what you get with him.

Sure, Gailey has proven that he has been a decent to good offensive coordinator in his prior gigs. I would be pretty happy if he was hired in that capacity. Not to get back into this subject, but Head Coach Chan Gailey does not get the benefit of the doubt. As he has had 2 head coaching positions prior to this, I have some results I can base my opinion on, and I have concluded that I do not see much potential there. Saying “give Gailey a chance to get results this time” is almost like giving Dick Jauron a good recommendation as HC of another team. “Sure he’s been fired from the past 2 HC positions he has held, but he’s never been the coach of (team x), so give him a chance!” (please note, I really don’t want Brian to hate me for bringing this up again, so I will not comment further on this…..right now. I will wait for Chan Gailey’s vote of confidence article for that!!!)

Now, to be fair, even though I was against him being hired as Head Coach too, I would have to have given Frazier a chance if he was selected as the HC, since who knows how good he may or may not be in the Head Coach role.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 15, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Worms.........

Now you went and did it………WORMS ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO....

well played sir!

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Also gotta love Wilson and Scott each having over 100 tackles.

I think the Bills should just move Wilson and Scott to linebacker, so they can make tackles, and then have Byrd and Whitner roaming the outfield making plays.

We could play a 3-2-2-2……

by StroudFanClub on Feb 15, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Worst. Run. Defense. Ever.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 15, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the only problem is whitner doesnt make plays.....

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 15, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t there a football stats site (can’t remember the name; Football Outsiders, perhaps?) that had George Wilson named to their All-Pro team – and not Byrd?
I think it was mostly having to do with his success against the run – he had one of the top grades on the Bills.

by Krenn on Feb 15, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

I truly believe Whitner will be traded and with good reason imo. because I believe both Bryan Scott (the great run-defender) and in particular George Wilson (a solid run-stopper, a great leader and a solid playmaker) are more than capable of handling the starting duties as SS. Of course, a hypothetical trade of Donte would be a big vote of confidence in Byrdman, as he would have to become a full-time safety, which he wasn’t last year. I think it’s safe to say he has earned the right to be just that.
If we could acquire a second or third rounder from say the Redskins or Giants, it would make things much easier as far as addressing our three greatest needs (QB, LT, NT) imo.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 15, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

Why would any team trade a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a player that you think shouldn’t be starting?

by Pistol on Feb 15, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Whitner

If the reports that Whitner will be traded to the Skins, whats the chance that the trade involves Campbell?

by JJBUD on Feb 15, 2010 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

man I hope not.......

I cant for the life of me figure out why a guy who had ONE decent college season (surrounded by darn good talent BTW and a great defense) is all that great, when he hasnt really done anything to warrant such praise.

Im just so confused by it all.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As long as it doesn’t involve Mike Williams… p/u

by JJBUD on Feb 15, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

My Favorite line out of this article
Set a career high in interceptions (2)

Dang Donte catch the ball more son.

by mob16151 on Feb 15, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

You can't catch it when you are out of position or late to the party

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

lets try to put a positive spin on that...

He DOUBLED up his previous season high in int’s. haha… that way it doesnt sound so bad.

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 15, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of when Pam is named Employee of the Month on the Office. “What did you double your sales from 2 to 4?” and she says “Yup.”

by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think you can hold it against Whitner where he was drafted. If he was a second round pick everyone here would be happy with him as he plays a solid game. It’s not like he drafted himself.

If we can keep all these guys that would be great. The depth at that position really helped us last year. If we can trade one to move up and get a QB like Bradford that would be great.

by Bill Frank on Feb 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Nice Analysis

I’ve never visited Buffalo Rumblings before but I like what I see with your analysis. Of course, as a Broncos fan, the MHR is my hangout but I have a goal to visit all of the NFL blogs in the offseason. Good luck in the offseason but ultimately GO BRONCOS!!!

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Feb 15, 2010 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Okay, my two cents coming...

Alright, so from what I can tell, we have this going for us this year:
1. The defensive backfield is SET.
2. We have two capable running backs, a tight end with loads of potential, and Lee Evans.
3. We have three-fifths of the line, in my humble opinion, locked down if Wood returns this season, and workable with Incognito (and a late pick for depth’s sake) if he doesn’t.
4. Strictly my opinion, but I think we have the depth at ILB also.

So what do we do about all the other problems?
OT — Davis, Bulaga or Okung, whoever’s available at the pick we have will do, at LT, and pick up someone later for RT. (Reverse for Vick, Tebow, or any other lefty, of course.)
QB — Clausen or Bradford if they slip to 9, maybe. Otherwise get another long-term prospect in the third or fourth round and sign, say, Pennington to duke it out with Fitzpatrick. Oh, and does anyone think we can get any picks for Trent? It’d be worth a look.
NT — I’d say draft the best available second-rounder. And, call me crazy but I’d keep Kyle on the roster.
LE — possibly the next draft consideration, third or fourth round, to battle it out with Johnson.
WR2 — Reed, Hardy and one of the UFAs out there (I remember Chambers came up in the discussion once) battle it out in camp, though someone said it’s more likely Hardy and Reed will be battling for the slot position if they bring anyone in. (I think it was Yahoo Sports.) Oddly enough, they didn’t mention Steve Johnson… who admittedly would be the fifth receiver in a five-spread formation in most considerations, including picking up no one new.
Everything else looks good to me, and they’ll just have to draft for depth. And if they make the pickups I mentioned and lock in the rest, and stay relatively injury-free, I see no reason why they can’t back into the playoffs next year. Where they’ll get creamed by the Colts or the like, but you have to start somewhere.

by MadmanJack on Feb 15, 2010 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

you have a suitable name.

EDWARDS THE NEW PISTOL , OWENS THE BAD SLAYER , EVANS THE FLYING METEOR AND COMING SOON THE BEAST MODE THIS IS SPARBUFONIA - abayarde

by the_prophet on Feb 15, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, probably. I’m a mad optimist, at least, but I still think that to ask for three more wins isn’t out of the question.

by MadmanJack on Feb 16, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

im not seein the depth at ILB, just cause theres alot of players, doesnt mean theres alot of players that fit

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

About Wilson
Nabbed a career-high four interceptions playing next to Byrd at strong safety, and added 103 tackles, two sacks, a forced fumble and six defended passes. He’s a leader for the younger guys in the secondary and on special teams, and is easily one of Buffalo’s most valuable reserves anywhere on the roster.

Anyone else think that these simple words means that he DESERVES to be the opening day starter at SS. He outplayed Whitner by A LOT, and if re-signed to a long term contract might also be chasing Whitner out of town!

Now i am all for the status quo here, its the one position on the roster where we have increadibly depth AND talent. So if we keep them all, GREAT! But if we can find someone to give us a second or third (probably third) for Whitner, then I’d make that deal too. Although I think that we should keep Whitner as an insurance policy for Byrd.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Also if we are looking for trading partners for Whitner, how about seeing if the Chargers are looking for a good safety. Maybe Whitner and a 5th would be enough to get McNeill off of their hands.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

heres how I see it

I would answer your question yes, he would deserve to be the opening day starter if Dick Jauron was still the coach. However with a new regime I don’t think anyone deserves to be the opening day starter until they’ve earned it in the coaches eyes during camp. Remember we’re switching to a 3-4, if the coaches feel Whitner might be able to do more of the things their asking of their SS than George WIlson then I’ll support their decision to start Whitner.

That said, George Wilson deserves recognition from this fan base for the Most Improved Bill of the Year. He had a heck of a year that really was fun to watch. I also think Wilson has great chemisty with Jairus Byrd. There were numerous times when they were on the field together that Byrd seemed to make a pick on a ball that George would have nabbed if Byrd hadn’t been there. Maybe its my eyes playing tricks on me but it seems like he has a knack for ball hawking just like Byrd. The two of them create a lot of turnover potential on the field together.

Still, I’ve always been more fond of Donte Whitner than others – namely because I think if he was drafted in the 3rd round we’d all be very happy with how hes turning out. I’m going to steal what Afghan Twilight said above because its how I feel too

Whitner looks like a poor 1st-round pick now, but I can’t say i’ve seen too much out of him that makes him a liability on the field.

Not sure thats reason enough for the coaches not to decide that George Wilson is their starter. If the coaches decide to trade Whitner I’m comfortable with Wilson back there. The only thing is George is 28 and Whitner is 24. We’ll probably have to spend a draft pick in the near future on a SS.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 16, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Entirely agree. And i think that it would be a mistake to trade Whitner for anything less then a third rounder simply because of what he can do in a rotation at both safety positions for us. We might not think that he’s a fantastic player, but he is very solid and is worth more to our D than we give him credit for.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you about Whitner
But if we can find someone to give us a second or third (probably third) for Whitner, then I’d make that deal too.

I would also look to use Donte if to add a 4th or 5th and trade pick position if someone we want is there…he is a valuable commodity to this team, I just dont think he is as valuable to every other team. I doubt we could get even a 3rd outright for him.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 4:45 AM EST up reply actions  

But see thats the thing, to this team he is worth a third rounder. So unless we find another team who thinks alike, then we should absolutly keep him. Lets not settle.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 5:30 AM EST up reply actions  

totally agree

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 16, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

My take on Whitner

First I agree with what you said. He is decent. Just not decent enough for where he was drafted. If my memory serves, the Bills REALLY wanted a safety that year. And from what I remember they wanted Huff out of Texas but the Raiders (anyone sensing a pattern here?) snatched him up just before our pick. Whitner was immediately picked, which to me seemed like a knee jerk reaction. I think this is where drafting for need becomes a bad thing. That would have been the time to take a breather, say OK the guy we wanted is gone who’s the next BPA that we can use to help our team, and take him.
Second, Whitner needs to become a better tackler, especially at the SS spot. INT’s are nice, but really that’s not the safety’s primary function in a defense. Whitner is a hard hitter as advertised coming out of college, but hitting & tackling are two different things. You can hit a guy as hard as you want, but if you bounce off like a rubber ball while the RB high steps his way to the end zone who cares? He needs to wrap up, & my worry is that after 4 years in the NFL if he hasn’t learned this he probably never will. Who knows, maybe the new coaches will make a difference. Sorry for the long rant, didn’t mean to be a kaiser or a mack.

by billskk69 on Feb 16, 2010 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry for the long rant, didn’t mean to be a kaiser or a mack.

hahaha, those are good posters to emulate so no worries.

Your right, Whitner really does need to wrap up. He gets a good rep as tackler but he really does miss often precisely because he doesnt seem to have the technique that other DBs learn to use in the NFL to bring down bigger backs and receivers. Whitner was a huge disappointment at 8 no doubt about it and even worse is the guy we orginally wanted in Huff is far worse than Whitner has been so far in their careers. I agree with just about everything you said there.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 16, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks poz

And maybe I was a bit out line on that one. I felt bad & wanted to retract that afterwards but it was too late. No offense guys, really. Long posts are just a pet peeve of mine because really I’d like to read them, but I just don’t have the time. I tend to skip right over them, and I bet I’m bot alone. Just food for thought.

by billskk69 on Feb 17, 2010 6:53 AM EST up reply actions  

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 16, 2010 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

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