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Bills release seven, including Wendling, Fine

According to the Buffalo Bills' team website, the new regime at One Bills Drive released seven players on Tuesday: TE Derek Fine, DE Jermaine McGhee, LB Ashlee Palmer, DT Marcus Smith, S John Wendling, WR Justin Jenkins and C Marvin Philip.

It looks as though the new regime isn't going to keep many players around that are only special teams contributors, being that they let go of Palmer, Wendling and Jenkins. All three were key contributors on the team's coverage units under former special teams coordinator Bobby April.

The team had significant investments in two of these players, as Fine was a fourth-round pick in 2008, while Wendling was a sixth-round pick in 2007. McGhee, Smith and Philip were placed on IR prior to the season beginning. Palmer is not a good schematic fit for the team's new 3-4 defense, and Jenkins may have been the casualty of a numbers game at receiver.

It's nice to see the roster overhaul begin! (Hat tip to silverstreak3k for breaking it first here.)

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It’s nice to see the roster overhaul begin!

Agreed. These players provided no value to Offense or Defense. They have value on ST but as last year proved depth, especially on the D is needed. And our ST hasn’t been especially special.

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

Wendling...

Is the only one I will miss.

by biffalobull on Feb 16, 2010 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

Yes but I don’t think he will be too hard to replace. He’s no Steve Tasker.

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

A lot of people liked Wendling, and he was good at ST, but replacable? Far from it. Did he offer anything, and I mean anything to the def – no

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by Ghetts on Feb 16, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

hope he likes Philadelphia… if he’s lucky

Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Feb 16, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

and he was good at ST, but replacable? Far from it.

I agree! No one else is jumping over the long-snapper yet. He’s a pioneer!

a.k.a. Undee

by Undee on Feb 17, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of people liked Wendling, and he was good at ST, but replacable? Far from it.

I know, right? Not too many guys jumping over the long snapper these days.

a.k.a. Undee

by Undee on Feb 17, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

And the need for a competent blocking TE rises....

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

As well as the need for guys who can jump out of swimming pools.

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by jj24 on Feb 16, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You ain't kidding K.......

….. not sure why they did this one. Since we had a rash of injuries at TE last year (like every other position) I think we should’ve kept him for depth. Unless there is something OBD is not telling us.
Also, I would’ve kept Wendling for depth at his position as well. The guy hasn’t been able to show what he can do on the field due to lack of playing time, but he brings it on special teams.
The rest of the cuts have little impact on our team.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 16, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think what they're telling us is

that they didn’t think he was very good.

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And are sick of his injuries perhaps

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I am also sick of players that have some potential but can’t stay healthy so year after year we wait on them.

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Youboty? lol

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 16, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He might have the same fate

we’ll see whether the Bills give him a tender offer…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of suprised he wasnt on this list… Any reasoning behind why they cut these players, or was there a roster size we had to be at at this time?

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 16, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

true...

2nd part of my question tho… Any reason why this many players were cut? or just a random day of cleaning house?

"Hey ey ey ey"

by bflo on Feb 16, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Random day. They were able to cut them for a month so maybe it was just the day they decided who they didn’t want.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably just a simple courtesy for the players. If you are going to cut them, you might as well do it soon while other teams are still preparing for free agency.

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by kaisertown on Feb 16, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy hasn’t been able to show what he can do on the field due to lack of playing time, but he brings it on special teams.

I think when you look at the rash of injuries that hit the safety position last year, the fact that he didn’t see the field that much is pretty damning…

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by sireric on Feb 16, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.

by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 16, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a good point, but...

the same could have been said about Fred Jackson when he couldn’t get on the field before A-Train. It took Thomas getting hurt to allow FJax time to shine. Some players are gamers, meaning that they are playmakers, but only when it counts, which doesn’t mean practice.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

They are saying Schoman and Nelson are better and they plan to have someone who fits their offense better as the third TE. We could certainly see a free agent TE addition.

by Berg79 on Feb 16, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

With Nelson now the only TE with a contract, I think, we must be planning on bringing someone.

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably a lower tier vet

and a rookie

and Schouman

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Schoman will see an increased roll with Fine gone I would think.

Alge Crumpler anyone? I mean if we’re looking for a reletively cheap run blocking TE, then Crumpler deffinatly fits the bill.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If Buffalo wanted a cheap run blocker Fine would still be on the roster.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

But Crumpler still has decent hands, Fine does not. Still a very good point.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

How fat has Crumpler become? Really? Talk about going from Hero to zero, his fall from glory when he left Atlanta was steep. The guy is pretty well finished.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 17, 2010 7:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Nate Byham

TE from Pitt. 6’4 268. Run/block/catch. Bills round 6 on my mock draft. Capable of replacing both Fine and McIntyre.

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by dzil on Feb 16, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe, although they could pick one higher in the draft

Gailey is someone who really likes to use TE’s. I could see them using a fairly high draft pick to get someone good to line up on the other side from Nelson in two TE sets (which you run a lot in the pistol offense).

by Macktruck on Feb 16, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

the Bills need a blocking TE that can catch the ball and run with power and speed. Byham does it all, with no downside. The higher draft pick TE’s either lack blocking skills, speed or have injury issues. I’m curious who people might consider to be a more useful middle round TE pick for the Bills than Byham.

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

If he offers so much more than the “higher draft pick TEs”, why would he last until the 6th round?

by syrbillsfan on Feb 17, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Because the big fast pass-catching threats are what most teams are after, so they grade higher draft-wise. We already have our big pass threat with Nelson. While Byham might not be an elite receiver(still good though), he is a great blocker/rusher and just the type of multi-purpose TE that the Bills need.

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

OK. I just gathered from your statements that he can do everything well – pass, block and all that and is raw in any way.

He’s more of a good-sized does a little bit of everything but not in an elite way kind of guy. High motor, etc. Does that describe him?

by syrbillsfan on Feb 17, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

from Bleacher Report: “A two time All Big East First-Team honoree, Byham is a very strong and reliable receiver who excels in the blocking game. Reviewing his body of work and watching highlights its obvious Byham is an old-school player just waiting for his chance to prove he originally deserved the hype.” According to NFL Draft Scout, he’s 6’4 268 and runs a 4.65 40. Played both TE and FB at Pitt.

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

What I saw from Fine for the last two years, left me wanting… I just don’t think he ended up being that good, and I am glad they are kicking guys to the curb, no matter how young you are, because as a TE your job is to be able to block or catch, and if you can’t catch than you might as well have an extra o-lineman.

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by Ghetts on Feb 16, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Crumpler is a FA right?

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by billsoferie on Feb 16, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup he's FAT

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 16, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s an understatement. I swear though, that I read last season how he ran 100 yards in 11 seconds. It was some really strange article where an ESPN writer wanted to see if an everyman could out run an NFL guy from a given distance.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 16, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

good blocker though

we don’t have that at his position

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by billsoferie on Feb 16, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

so weak

i had the fanshot up first. and i was under the impression thats where this kind of story should go…..WEAK! my only chance at getting front page is dashed….

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 16, 2010 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Crap

Sorry, I didn’t even notice the Fanshot.

Once Brian gets in, this will be off the front page and probably lost in cyberspace for good anyhow!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing gets lost in cyberspace, it just sits there waiting for aliens to find it.

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then

It’s lost until aliens find it. How’s that? Kind of like the island from Lost….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Lost STINKS!

(this is called “brian-baiting”)

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 16, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

What is this Lost you speak of? Is it a spin off of the “Biggest Loser” show?

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was a financial advice show that could explain what happend to my 401K?????

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 16, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

no worries just giving you crap. but i would like to point out that with mine you wouldnt have had to edit it….haha

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 16, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That is very true

I’ll rec yours as retribution. Capiche!?!

Good

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

nice!

haptip! i like it. all is forgiven.

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 16, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

How did Hairstin, Gaddis, Manalac, and Mghee (to name a few) escape the chopping block. I have a sneaky suspicion more are to come…

by BillsfanDan on Feb 16, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

mcghee is on that list....

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 16, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats J, Mcghee

not T, McGee….Jermaine seemed like he could have been a nice free agent break out star from the interview i heard him on pre-season during OTA he had alot of hunger in his system but his ACL got the best of him…i hope he can make some things shake during this summer of camps and come on to Buffalo as a great fit for the 3-4 cuz his size is pretty good for what we need

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by nyckidd on Feb 17, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Gaddis and Hairston are ERFA's

Manalac might be too

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Derek Fine

Ugh. Yet another hole to fill. The timing is curious, to say the least. Aren’t teams allowed to carry something like 80 guys at this point in the offseason?

There are at least two plausible rationales for cutting Fine.:

1. Fine wasn’t cut because he disappointed as a blocker. He was easily the best blocking TE the Bills fielded. Fine, however, never produced in the pass game. Schouman wasn’t as good of a blocker but was the more productive receiving threat. Nelson, I thought, had some moments where he blocked well and clearly is more of a receiving threat than either Fine or Schouman. If Fine was cut because he wasn’t a pass catching TE then it could signal a shift in how Chan will use TEs in Buffalo—possibly even more of a security blanket for the QB than they were before. It could also mean that TE will be more of a priority in the draft. I’ll put it out there: Buffalo could trade down to, say, 24 (Eagles—if they wanted into the top 10) and take Gresham…assuming he is all the way back from his injury. Two TE/two WR sets with Gresham and Nelson would give the QB some high percentage mismatches to quickly exploit—quickly here having the meaning of ‘before the QB is plastered due to shoddy play by the LT that wasn’t meaningfully upgraded’.

2. Fine might have been cut because he has an injury history and hasn’t been available on too many Sundays. If that’s the case guys like Trent Edwards, Brad Butler, and Ashton Youboty should be nervous.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 7:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree the timing is weird

Why not bring the guy into camp at the least and let him battle for a spot. He’s cheap after all. I think his injury history sealed his fate.

We needed to add a blocking TE as it is. Now the need is just a little bigger. I think he’s an easily replaceable player.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

A popular guy that I like is Jimmy Graham

I liked him back when Miami played FSU in the first week of CFB. He’s big but raw blocking and running routes. But a 6-6/260 TE that can run and is athletic? Hard to pass up.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 16, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like Pete Metzalaars.

Fatang Fatang.

by NeverendingOptimism on Feb 16, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Even Kelly...

was able to beat Metzalaars in a footrace!!!! LOL!!!! No Graham is also quite fast for a TE, but hardly what we need since while he has tremendous upside, he is extremely raw….

by Cinga on Feb 16, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Jimmy Graham

another one year wonder. very raw without blocking skills. lots of upside, but a major project. not a good fit for the Bills IMO.

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

He's very raw....

correct?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Which means he would be a good addition

simply because we can let him grow with the offense….

I’m seeing him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I think I’d rather add front 7 talent that a TE, at that point.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Graham in the 2nd or 3rd... probably not

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by ForeignArrow on Feb 16, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh. Yet another hole to fill.

Who the heck cares at this point Ron? You don’t hire a new GM and whole new coaching staff and change both offensive and defensive schemes and keep all of your old players. Everyone around here is always so worried about filling holes this off-season. What they fail to realize is that this roster has less then 10 players worth keeping, and we shouldn’t care about any of them getting handed their walking papers. This should be looked at as a two year rebuilding process which is why the Bills should look strictly at BPA in the draft.

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by sireric on Feb 16, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Welcome aboard.....I remember feeling pretty alone

when I said almost everyone on the roster should be on the trading block. Where did all the “we are not that far away” people go ?

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 16, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Whats your point Joe?

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Feb 16, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

My point....Nice to have company.....and it seems like most people are slowing coming to the same conclusion.

You don’t see many people posting that they think we are a few players away anymore.

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 16, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

How do these seven players take us further back from where we want to be?

Compared to bringing in a new coaching staff or switching to a 3-4 defense.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Feb 16, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You make my point for me. If the roster is going to take two years why dump competent yet unspectacular players in the first round of cuts? Why not keep Fine and address the TE position further along in the rebuild? For that matter, why not do a mass dump and keep only the core players (10 by your count, perhaps as many as 20 depending on who you ask)? Alternately, what’s the advantage in cutting anyone at this point?

Buffalo has to field a team in 2010. The Bills will get something like 6-10 players in the draft, depending on trade-up/trade-down scenarios. It’s not terribly likely that Buffalo will be able to sign all that many free agents who represent upgrades over the guys already on the roster. So, again, why cut a guy like Fine who has contributed—though not to the level that we’d like? He has to be replaced via the draft or free agency….which is one more hole the Bills have to address to the possible exclusion of some other hole. I’d rather see the Bills keep a guy like Fine and devote time and resources to upgrading positions where Buffalo is a far cry from even competent….like LT, LB, QB….

Note, I’m not saying that the Bills should keep guys like Fine if a better option presents itself. I just see it making more sense to wait until that option materializes. Besides, until today TE was a position other teams thought Buffalo might address. Now other teams know it is an absolute certainty.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe the timing is a little off as you say, I will concede that much, but I really am not going to shed a tear at the thought of losing Fine. Could they have kept him? Sure. Do I care that he is gone? No.

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by sireric on Feb 16, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy was a 3rd string TE…how are people complaining about this?

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 16, 2010 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Fine has only proven one thing, Ron: that he’s injury-prone. He’s missed significant time in each of his first two years. He’s been on the PUP list and on IR. He’s incredibly average, extremely run-of-the-mill. I don’t mind a bit that he’s gone, and I find it hard to believe anyone would be upset.

There are a ton of bigger, stronger, healthier blocking-type tight ends available via free agency this year. Brandon Manumaleuna is my early favorite.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

im fine with manumaleuna.

get it?

god i rock.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 16, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t get it, I feel dumb.

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine- derek fine.

it wasn’t just a bad joke. it was a horrid horrid one. you definitely mustve overthought it.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 16, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

Sure did, but it really is GREAT joke…

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. He did prove to be injury riddled in his stint in Buffalo. I disagree that he was average in run blocking; I think he did a very good job in that area. I’d have to say that he was probably well below average in pass catching.

I’ll be both amazed and impressed if Buffalo attracts (m)any high quality free agents this offseason, so I’m not counting on Manumaleuna to replace Fine…or anyone substantially better than Fine for that matter unless Buffalo picks up a TE early in the draft.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He’d be a solid third TE behind Schouman and Nelson. Additionally, I could see us pursuing Kassim Osgood from the Chargers to become our new ST-ace and perhaps let him play more of a role offensively.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 17, 2010 4:47 AM EST up reply actions  

after you pick up Manumaleuna via FA you could draft Hoomanawanui and have two massive mauling TE’s with ridiculously confusing names. I like it.

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I like how you think.

a.k.a. Undee

by Undee on Feb 17, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with eric, Ron

but not because I want everyone to get their walkin papers but because i never understood why anybody liked Fine in the first place. Schouman has flashed being a useful player and the time has come to give Shawn Nelson a central role in the passing game. This means keeping Nelson in for a majority of snaps and giving the rest to Schouman so see ya later Fine. The only memorable outing for Fine I can remember was 08 against the Jets and I’m not even sure if my memory is serving me correctly on that one. I think it was the same game Jabari had a pair of big picks – could be wrong.

Fine never did anything but get hurt.

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by poz on Feb 16, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine never did anything but get hurt.

Fine was useless in the passing attack. Fine was a very good blocking TE. You can make the case that Fine wasn’t what Buffalo needs at TE and that he should be cut. Don’t be so callous as to suggest that he never did anything.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t be so callous as to suggest that he never did anything.

Fine, I’ll edit that. Fine never did anything that couldn’t have been done by dozens of other tight ends around the league. The point is, Fine wasn’t blocking that much better than Shawn Nelson that he should have been retained. Besides, is it a certainty now that we need a tight end? I don’t think so. Do we absolutely need three tight ends?

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by poz on Feb 16, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

With Buffalo’s injury history are you really comfortable with Buffalo having only two of anything besides kicker/punter?

Yeah, Fine was blocking better than Nelson or Schouman. It was a lot of fun watching him pitch into substantially larger DEs on run plays. He did contribute and my guess is that Buffalo’s RBs will be sad to see him go….never mind that his reception totals for his career don’t equal the quarterly totals for most TEs.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree that Fine made a valuable contribution to the running game. My guess is that the injury history had a lot to do with the decision to cut him, but I would also bet that Gailey is planning (as you suggest above) to upgrade significantly at the position in order to run a lot of two TE sets. Having two TE’s on the field is essential to the pistol offense he ran at Kansas City and which he may very well want to use with the Bills. If so, from Gailey’s standpoint this is not creating a hole, but rather making room on the roster for the high-powered TE he wants to draft.

by Macktruck on Feb 17, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

They watched his film and let him go

He obviously wasn’t what they were looking for and Nix and Gailey thought he was replaceable / unnecessary. Sure, on less than 30% of plays in the 18 games he played in he was able to contribute a good block from time to time. I think that classifies as “average or below”. Without him we can have someone who is either a better pass catcher or more of a tackle type as a third tight end. Either way you get something more useful than Derek Fine. Besides, like anyone else they brought in he’d be starting from square 1 in a new system.

Everything being equal, there are quite a few available tight ends with more upside than Fine. In 15 games with the Bills he caught 25 passes for 215 yards and 2 TDS and he wasn’t signed until Sep 10 of that season.

Fine is nothing to worry about. Like I said, they might use that spot for an extra tackle or something like that. Who knows. I personally think they let these guys go so they can bring in as many players who fit the 3-4 defense mold as possible. As the season approaches they can pick up whatever is left for a 3rd TE, even Derek Fine if they wanted to. He’ll still be out there when the season starts.

by syrbillsfan on Feb 17, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Ron…To be honest, whether or not Fine was an “ok” blocking TE or not, that is all he did. The only reason we needed him is because our O-line was HORRIBLE. If we have a better than average o-line the only time we MIGHT have needed MR Fine is at goal line which means he is expendable in my opinion.

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by Hambone on Feb 16, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, blocking is about all Fine did. I don’t know that I agree with the idea that a better than average line eliminates the need for a blocking TE. I’d love to have a TE with Fine’s blocking ability and Nelson’s size, speed and hands…but that’s now something that Buffalo has to go and find.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d love to have a TE with Fine’s blocking ability and Nelson’s size, speed and hands…but that’s now something that Buffalo has to go and find.

Tony Gonzalez?

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 16, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and available/affordable.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Asking for a bit much, aren’t you Ron ;-)

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the recent years of Buffalo having it all have spoiled me.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Less than 10?

Wow, that’s extremely pessimistic….I wouldn’t even go that low.

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Name me ten guys on the current roster worth keeping.

I got-

Wood
Levitre
Byrd
Maybin (because of youth and draft status)
McKelvin (because of youth and draft status)
Evans
Jackson
Kyle Williams
Poz
McGee

That’s ten. BUT, Evans to me is only like a .5 because he will stay most likely because of his contract. so it’s 9.5.

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by sireric on Feb 16, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll add:

Florence, Spencer Johnson, Lynch, Whitner and Nelson are reasonably priced and can contribute on some level…several of the restricted free agents too…but overall, I agree that there’s very little on this roster worth keeping in an effort to build a winner.

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by Port Royal on Feb 16, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll also add

Aaron Schobel, James Hardy and Steve Johnson.

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by poz on Feb 16, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Moorman?????????

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by J2 on Feb 17, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I am thinking that this team is rebuilding, so I would keep guys who are worth rebuilding around. Schobel a guy who is contemplating retirement is not a guy who you rebuild your team around. Lynch….Whitner…Ummmmm no. If you want to keep two young WRs in Hardy and Johnson who haven’t shown you anything that’s fine but I’m not sure I would count on them for anything more then they have already given…which is nothing.

As for Moorman and Lindell, I guess they are fine to keep around but I was thinking more about the other 51 guys on the roster not counting the kickers.

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by sireric on Feb 17, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

lol – na – just surprised that no one said Moorman. he’s been mr dependable for us.

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by J2 on Feb 17, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

you dont think Hardy and Steve are worth keeping?

You dont have to be a stud to be worth keeping. They are young and provide receiver depth, hence worth keeping.

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by poz on Feb 17, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m gonna be fringy and add Wilson. Just to add depth and confusion to the conversation.

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by Undee on Feb 17, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess "worth keeping" means something a little different to me

I mean, Kawika Mitchell is worth keeping as a depth ILB and situational rush LB. Geoff Hangartner is worth keeping as a backup interior linemen, at least. James Hardy and Steve Johnson are worth keeping for at least another year to see what, if anything, they can do. etc etc etc etc

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Now "worth building around"

and making a commitment to as the team rebuilds has a far different meaning to me…..

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said Eric.....

I agree completely.

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by Hambone on Feb 16, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Req, reqq req req req!!!!

Thank you! This is a two year project, not a one year rebuild!. Its also why I don’t think that we"ll see our real franchise QB until next summer.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

2 year project?

If the Bills cut everybody except those 10 Eric mentioned about, then 2 year project is getting too optimistic.

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by moncheri on Feb 17, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

To be clear, I wasn’t suggesting that they cut everyone except those 10, just that those ten are they only ones that I would count on long term. they don’t have to cut everyone but those ten loose.

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by sireric on Feb 17, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, good point.

Is this what being a Bills fan through all these years of mediocrity has reduced us to? Complaining and getting anxiousover the release of a 3rd string TE on a 6-10 team? Geez

by loupiccone on Feb 17, 2010 3:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Here here. I don’t think the hole Derek leaves is a very big one. Any warm body off the waiver wire could have just as much upside. As far as the special teamers, I think this regime might pick one or 2 back up if need be, but they were mostly a luxury that didn’t really help the team overall over the past few years. Considering the switch to the 3-4, all the tweener LB/safeties have no place whatsoever on the depth chart. We need room on the 80-man to bring in whatever actual offensive / defensive prospects that we can. I think we’re also looking at a scrapping of the “don’t bring in any free agents over 30” rule they had going. We’re probably going to see some interesting names coming through here in the next few months. Some will be over the hill, others will be thrice recycled practice squad / UDFA guys that have bounced along from team to team. All of them will be bigger guys than we’ve seen roll through here over the past few years (at least on the defensive side).

As far as the timing, with everything else that was going on it probably took all this time to evaluate tape on all of those players and decide who to let go.

by syrbillsfan on Feb 17, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Fine being cut.....

The way I see it is that they are allowing him to move on now since they just didn’t think he would fit what they are going to end up doing. Whatever that may be. I am going to go with the respect thing. :-)
Also, he might have been the best blocking TE on the “Bills” roster but I have to tell you. That isn’t saying much. It’s time to cut the fat. Get rid of injury riddled players and move on to greener pastures. If blocking is what you are worried about, there are FA TE’s out there that all they do is block and you could probably get for cheap.
As I stated, I’m just happy they are cutting some fat, whether they are sentimental players that we like to see make the team or not. We need to build a winner. We can’t get much worse then we already are so let’s start it with a clean slate.

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by Hambone on Feb 16, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Two TE/two WR sets with Gresham and Nelson

This is an ultimate dream set for me. These two have the talent be the best TE duo in history. But with bigger needs, I can’t see it happening.

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by Undee on Feb 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems to me, this is the first wave of "I don’t care what happened the past four years, I didn’t draft you, I didn’t pick you up off waivers, and since you have little NFL talent, you are out of here.

Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Feb 16, 2010 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

Cue the Donte Whitner trade rumors

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I’m thinking that without Wendling as Depth (however little he braught of it) might show a little bit of confidence in Whitner. Then again I could be wrong.

But personally I wouldn’t trade Whitner for anything less then a 3rd rounder simply because of what he does for this team.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wendling has nothing to do with Whitner

If Wendling had any chance of being an NFL safety, he would have seen time there last year. Or even at LB for that matter.

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

no 3rd, so he’ll stay… plus I don’t see any rumors for a player of his caliber

Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Feb 16, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The only player that I'm disapointed in seeing leave is Fine.

He was a good blocking TE. If anything this shows the new coaching staff’s confidence in Nelson and Schouman, which is fine with me too. (no pun intended).

The rest, good riddence. Otherwise from Wendling they weren’t doing much on special teams anyways.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

I’m a bit surprised too, I thought he was better than schouman but I guess he didn’t show enough to keep him around.

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by pasaluki on Feb 16, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Schouman isn’t as good of a blocker but has far better pass reception numbers.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think thats the direction that they want to bring our TE’s in. Good with both hands and blocking, even if they are not spectacular at either.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed. that’s why I think Nate Byham, Jeron Mastrud and Dedrick Epps are the best fits for the Bills need at TE in the draft. Great part is they’re all mid to late round prospects.

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

anybody but Moe’s greasy brother Shemp.

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Im alright with all of these… They havent done anything to help us win over the last few years… ship em out. Fine is the only questionable release… and he is very replacable.

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by bflo on Feb 16, 2010 7:11 PM EST reply actions  

Some surprising names…. mainly because why don’t you bring them in for training camp at least… Fine was a great guy at camp FWIW.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 16, 2010 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

And to think I was this close to getting a Fine jersey…

by krytime on Feb 16, 2010 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

There it is Ron! The reason he got cut.

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by sireric on Feb 16, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't your Aaron Merz jersey teach you anything?

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by poz on Feb 16, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is just the start

I think this is the Gailey/Nix regime making a statment to the rest of the team. Gailey and his staff were all together last week evaluating thge 2009 season play by play. The rest of the team needs to take notice that Club Jauron is no longer the accpetable practice around here.

by The Irishman on Feb 16, 2010 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

Not much of a statement

It’s not that I disagree, but cutting Derek Fine and John Wendling is hardly a bold statement. I don’t think this really says anything other than maybe Special Teams only players might not fit here any longer….

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I am of the belief that this is just the begining

I think there is going to be half a dozen suprise cuts when it is all said and done.

by The Irishman on Feb 16, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the FanPost, Teaters33, and for the FanShot, silverstreak3k. It’s Lost night. Glad to know the blog doesn’t rest while I get entertainment elsewhere. :)

K’s right on, guys – we’re hurting for TE depth in a BIG way now.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

maybe

but tight end depth is relatively easy to fill compared to other positions. I can’t imagine Schouman and Nelson both missing significant chunks again. Ok, maybe I can. But there is plenty of tight end depth to be had in the draft and free agency.

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by poz on Feb 16, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Na

TE’s like Fine are a dime a dozen. I’m not worried in the least.

by billskk69 on Feb 17, 2010 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Good riddance

The three note-worthy players (Fine, Wendling, Jenkins) did not contribute enough to deserve roster spots. I hope this is an indication that Nix doesn’t view the 53 man roster as a place to hold 8-9 players who are primarily connected to the kicking game. Three specialists and maybe an extra man who excels on Special Teams should suffice and the rest of the coverage guys should be talented backups who can double in the kicking game. Here’s hoping this putrid roster is gutted and fileted over the next 7 months and that this was only the beginning of a total dismantling.

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by Port Royal on Feb 16, 2010 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

The switch to the 3-4 has a lot more to do with the release of these fringe specialists than any other factor. Gailey said it himself – the emphasis on adding linebacker depth to your roster helps your special teams. Notice that the Bills only released one LB, and he’s very strictly a Cover 2 LB.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

LBs

Well, there aren’t many LBs left on the roster to cut with Draft, Ellison, Buggs, Stamer, and Corto being free agents. Nic Harris could even be moved back to safety. While the switch to the 3-4 will surely drive a lot of the turnover, I’m hoping Nix and Gailey keep less of the Corto/ Wendling/ Jenkins types who aren’t good enough at their true positions to ever get on the field.

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by Port Royal on Feb 16, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I’m saying – you don’t need to hope, because they’re going to go hog wild with linebackers this off-season and make them the coverage specialists.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

love it.

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by Port Royal on Feb 16, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree

In my mock offseason/draft, I should have gone even more LB oriented, because that’s an area that we’ll need to carry at least 8-9 players in this system.

That doesn’t really explain why Marcus Buggs, Jon Corto and even Nic Harris survived.

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Scratch that last thought

Corto and Buggs are FA’s….and I suppose Harris will be a given a chance to bulk up and try ILB or lose a few pounds and revert back to SS….

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Precisely.

I’ve got two ILBs sitting near the top of my free agent wish list – Foote and Matt Wilhelm. Foote could start and let Kawika roam a little. Wilhelm’s a good strong-side reserve, young, and can really help out on special teams.

Those are the types of players we’ll be targeting – not just at LB – and I expect a good 8 of them, at least. Cheap guys with roles to play. 2 or 3 ILBs, a DE or two, a TE or two, and maybe an odd guy or two at surprise positions (like RB, WR or, if we’re lucky, OT or NT).

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

why not cut the list from 8 to 4 and get some more quality?

and keep some guys like Buggs who are good on ST and can be depth

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by billsoferie on Feb 16, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Because there isn't a ton of quality

and keeping guys like Buggs makes no sense schematically.

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

just because it says “LB” next to Buggs’s name doesn’t make him LB depth. He is a 3-4 LB to the same degree that James Hardy is a 3-4 LB. There is no situation in which he should see the field in a 3-4 defense.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 16, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

so who is out there that is better?

I’m not necessarily disagreeing just discussing

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by billsoferie on Feb 16, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i have no idea

anyone who a 3-4 team has drafted would make more sense, since they were acquired because they fit into a 3-4. Buggs was acquired because he fit (as well as he’d fit into anything) into the cover 2 4-3 we were running.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 17, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Who was that came around last season as an “inside” source, I can’t think of his name. He still around OBD?

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Geronimo

Been pretty quiet for a while, maybe he got fired?

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by UtahBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

That’s the guy. Wonder if we get to know who it was now that(if he) is gone…

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah

So you agree with some of my thoughts in that long mock offseason post I put up….

I think we have to bring in a vet ILB and OLB, at the least. Multiple of each might be preferable. And a DE for sure. That’s just to get started.

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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Harris can play ILB in obvious passing down situations. And he’s big enough to play SS in obvious run downs. Corto could be part of the 2 or 3 players that we keep on strictly for special teams. As for Buggs, I got nothing.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think LB are the perfect fit for special teams

And we also need a whole bunch of them for thge 3-4. What a novel idea! Have players that can contribute in more than one way.

by The Irishman on Feb 16, 2010 8:41 PM EST reply actions  

Wendling is the only one who I will "kinda" miss..........

oh well………fickle business this NFL is…………Im sure Wendling will find a spot on someones roster.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 16, 2010 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

I will miss none of them....

Actually there are very few on the team that I would miss.

Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!

by UtahBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

In an odd way, I’m almost happy that Fine is gone. If Buffalo is going to carry a pair of mediocre blockers in Nelson and Schouman and use a run heavy, Chan Gailey style attack, that 3rd TE better be a lot more reliable injury-wise than Fine is. He’d leave Buffalo in a whole heap of trouble if he was the 3rd TE and primary blocker this year, but missed half the season again. If Buffalo is only keeping one blocking TE, he better be a very reliable player. Still doesn’t make a ton of sense to cut him when you could bring him into camp as the 4th guy on the depth chart and keep him if one of the other TEs goes down. Or Nix has realized (or reads this blog and struggles to read sarcasm) that Stupar really is the next Jason Witten.

I’ll miss Wendling. I’ve always been a fan of keeping a couple stud special teamers. Not like Buffalo doesn’t still have a few on the roster though. With Wendling and Jenkins gone, it looks like Wilson is even more likely to be brought back.

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by kaisertown on Feb 16, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

bet wendling ends up in Washington

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by J2 on Feb 17, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

or Philly

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Jenkins Anybody??

Not one word about one of the best special teamers on the team…he flew down there and stopped so many punts inside the 20 over the years..if nobody else misses him, your crazy lmao

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by kevoy14 on Feb 16, 2010 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

Is that really worth a “lmao”?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets set a poll for this!

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 16, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Heres the poll (with my vote)
[ ] Completely Necessary
[ ] A little necessary
[ X ] Not necessary one bit
[ ] I think the bills should draft a RB in the first round, then trade down in the second and draft a CB.

by Xavier W on Feb 16, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

think he’s confusing LMAO with IMO. either that or he’s on ’shrooms

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 8:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

now i am lmao!!!

Picturing a random Bills fan in the computer room laughing like crazy because no one has mentioned Jenkins

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by Undee on Feb 17, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No trade value lost here.

One of the biggest concerns with the Jauron regime was their dedication to hanging onto players who were limited to special teams on a career basis.

Wendling is a prime example of that out. A great athlete who could play special teams but will never start in the league. That’s a roster spot that should be dedicated to developing a player. Wendling wasn’t developmental. He was better than the next guy they had and he could get down field and make a tackle. He stays!

To their credit, they nabbed all of these guys late in the draft or as UDFAs but these guys still spent a considerable amount of time on the active roster and that means reps.

If you ask me, there is a handful more they should add to this list of former Bills – assuming they had no trade value.

by kgun201 on Feb 16, 2010 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

Changes, turn and face the strain

Well, it certainly shows that Chix has been looking at tape from last year.

by Moose68 on Feb 17, 2010 2:15 AM EST reply actions  

conditioning?

Stupid question, but there’s no chance these cuts were for conditioning reasons like the trainers pulled into town and checked out the flexibility and strength of these guys and so they got the ax?

sounds like its more schematic. I guess I’m wondering in particular about Fine given all the discussion above. Basically, did the new S+C coaches decide that his injuries make him unable to continue playing in NFL?

by williamsDT on Feb 17, 2010 5:19 AM EST reply actions  

JIm Leonhard

Bills kept John Wehndling instead of Jim Leonhard – Well, Leonhard went to the Ravens and now is with the Jets, is a starter, and a playmaker – Why the Bills never gave this guy a chance when he was a standout at Wisconsin is another example of a clueless front office.

Glad to see these bums go – Wholesale changes are needed, considering the Bills should have had only 4 wins last year!

by BuffaloWhiner on Feb 17, 2010 8:09 AM EST reply actions  

Leonhard is a classic overachiever. effort=results. He is a classic Bill IMO.

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by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Leonard had his chance in Buffalo and did nothing with it. It wasn’t like letting Pat Williams go.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

who said it was?

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The implication is that nobody shed a tear when Leonard left. Now that he’s become serviceable somewhere else people care. Why would the Bills have given a contract extension to a mediocre player like Leonard?

by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

oh maybe because he’s cheaper than Donte and at least as productive. would it not have made sense to get trade value out of Whitner vs releasing Leonhard?

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Feb 17, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I’m trying to explain… Leonhard had no trade value when he was on the Bills. He was mediocre. He wasn’t as productive as Whitner when he was on the Bills. His numbers don’t exactly scream “ZOMG WHY DIDN”T WE RE-SIGN THIS GUY?"

3 seasons, 2 with any real stats, 2 INTs, 3 PDs, 55 tackles

by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

House cleaning has started...

The new Sheriff Nix is not taking an prisoners, he is fast becoming the hanging Judge—-better known as Judge Roy Bean!!

Accountability is back at OBD, lack of production equals lack of a roster spot, lack of a coaching position and lack of a front office position. Would anyone be shocked if Wendling and Jenkins both ended up In Philly with Bobby April? Wendling is an excellent ST player and he will end up playing in the NFL.

Fine had his moments but constant injuries sealed his fate in B-Lo and with Stupar still on the roster Fine was expendable. The Biggest worry with Nelson is him having migraine problems that lay him up. If the Bills didn’t need so much help at LB, OL and QB who wouldn’t enjoy having Okie TE Jermaine Gresham on the team before his injury he was a top 10 draft prospect. If he is healthy some team is going to get a potential Pro Bowl TE in the mid to late 1st round…

'To get something you never had,
you have to do something you never did.'

by Goose22 on Feb 17, 2010 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

Wendling to Philly makes even more sense because the DB coach in the city of brotherly love is Dick Jauon who had a good hand in drafting Wendling.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Right on the mark with Gresham

If the Bills are looking at a 3 year rebuilding effort and are looking to rebuild the roster over that period, trading down and taking Gresham would be a fairly safe move that could be viewed as pure thievery 2 years from now. Gresham had a rare mix of size, speed, athleticism, and hands before the ACL injury. Most pundits praised his blocking as well.

I would love to see Gresham in a Bills uniform. He is an instant mismatch, too big for corners and too long and fast for linebackers and safeties. He has the skills to play out wide, in the slot, or from the traditional TE spot. If the knee is healthy (and I am no MD) he IMHO is one of the safest picks in the draft.

I know we need a Tackle, QB, and NT, but we have 3 years to reach the goal, we will not be there after one off season. If we are staying status quo at QB we need to give them some confidence by having a consistent go o TE. I like Nelson’s physical abilities (hands, adjustment to poor throws) but did not see the mental growth I wanted to see throughout the year. (ie. The INT where he broke left BEHIND the safety or LB after initially starting his break in front of the defensive player. To be fair he is young and the jury is still out on Nelson.

That being said, if Gresham is available in a trade down I hope OBD has the stones to make what might be viewed as an unpopular move and secure a ten year starter (likely multiple Pro Bowls) at TE. Imagine going close to 10 years without having to question who the Bills starting TE would be? I know, we just are not that imaginative.

I would also consider Gronkowski at TE but I believe he had a neck injury and one spine (disk) injury often tends to lead to another.

by WhatGoesAround on Feb 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be disappointed with Gresham at all. Maybe even at 9. He blew my mind 2 years ago…he looked unstoppable.

a.k.a. Undee

by Undee on Feb 17, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine – I honestly think the reason he was let go was because of his injuries. it’s entirely possible that the staff thinks they need to get rid of injury prone players and ’im fine with that.

jenkins i think can easily be replaced.

again – not a big deal in any regards. none of these players have done anything that would make me feel like they should stay. run of the milll players that are easily replaceable.

to the point that they are run of the mill so why not use them in camp or 3rd/4th stringers – I think they are saying to the rest of the players that you are on notice. i’m sure they already get that – but those fringe players know they are literally 1 screw up away from being jettison from the team (are you listening marshawn?).

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by J2 on Feb 17, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Wendling

Gailey plans to use backup/in the wings 3-4 linebackers to play special teams.

the switch to a 3-4 makes wendling somewhat expendable.

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 17, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

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