Trade: Lynch for Cromartie?
by Teaters33 on Feb 17, 2010 9:49 AM EST
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PrintESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting that the San Diego Chargers are looking to trade Pro Bowl CB Antonio Cromartie to acquire a RB. LaDainian Tomlinson's career is all but over in San Diego and Darren Sproles is a pending Restricted Free Agent.
Tomlinson stated after the season had ended that he believes his career in San Diego is all but over and Sproles has stated that he is interested in testing the market but is also interested in returning to San Diego.
Mortensen also reports that Cromartie has fallen out of good graces with the Chargers organization, plus they have 2 other 1st round draft choices in Quentin Jammer and Antoine Cason. Many individuals at Buffalo Rumblings feel that Lynch has falling out of favor with the Bills organization as well and we already have Fred Jackson spearheading our rushing attack.
Would a straight up Cromartie / Lynch trade work for the Bills or possible add a mid - late round draft pick? Cornerback is not a huge need for the Bills this offseason but McKelvin has struggled at times, McGee is aging and Florence is in the final year of his contract. Corner has proven very inconsistent after a some what promising rookie season and Lankster is just depth in case of injuries.
This trade could be a win / win situation for both teams if the two sides could come to an agreement. The Bills will be getting a quality starting cornerback with experience in the 3-4 man coverage schemes and will be able to dump a troubled Lynch in the process. The Chargers will be able to dump a cornerback that they feel they do not need and will receive a Pro Bowl caliber running back that is from the Oakland, CA area. I think the Chargers stable OL could really do wonders for Lynch's game and a change of scenery for Cromartie could make all the difference for him; plus he would be reunited with former teammate Drayton Florence.
If the Bills feel Jackson can consistently put up numbers like he has the past 1 1/2yrs and plan to look for more of a complimentary back in the draft, is this trade worth a shot?
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I would do it.
We obviously dont need CBs this year, but to get a player like Cromartie would be great. People have been talking about shopping Lynch for a 4th rounder. Cromartie is better than that. Lynch needs to leave Buffalo and would probably be happier on the west coast. I know this will create a need a RB, but Lynch is a knucklehead and will never be a 1500 yd RB with his maturity level. Let him steal 20 dollars from Rivers’ wife and run over people on Mission Beach in SD.
You’d be opening up a big hole in the Bills depth on offense to fill a spot already capably filled on defense. We’re paying McGee big bucks, McKelvin is getting a mid-first round salary, and Florence is the most reasonably priced. It seems like you’re committing a lot of money to the CB position. I wouldn’t mind trading Lynch for a draft pick or Marcus McNeil or something. Just not Cromartie.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions
Big hole on O?
Backup RB?
You are talking as if Florence and McGee are long term solutions and Leo is sure to blossom. Next offseason could be a time we’re looking for multiple CB’s. If a long term deal could be agreed to, wouldn’t going after a talented player like this be big for the future?
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2010 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And you’re talking like Cromartie is a sure thing. There’s a reason the Chargers are looking to unload him.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Not at all
But he’d be more of a sure thing, with a new deal, than any of our other CB’s for the future. I’m not a fan of his, but he could have value, and its not like we won’t need CB’s past this year.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2010 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree on that but if I’m trading Lynch I want different value for him I guess.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 17, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Shonn Greene ran past Cromartie taking off a play for a TD in their playoff game, Cromartie has talent but he took off plays in the playoffs in SD last year, I wouldn’t trade Lynch for Cromartie straight up. NO WAY! Not with the corners we already have.
If they are willing to throw in Merriman, then I might be with it. If they toss in a 5-7th round pick on top of Merriman, let’s do it.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 18, 2010 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
McGee
He was signed long term by the previous staff but he hasn’t exactly been a model of durability. He looks like he could fall apart at any time. Florence is a Bill for one more season.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2010 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But how many games has he missed in his career, K? :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 18, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
He's turning 30
and played in 16 games just once in seven seasons….
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Really? Man I was way off. It always seems like he’s playing through injuries.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 18, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Lynch yes. But for Cromartie....ugghhhhh why?
Why would the Bills commit that much extra investment into another cornerback? If they got maybe an offensive lineman or other postition than it would be a much better deal.
Welker, Moss, Edwards, Ginn jr.
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Cromartie had some "Marshawn-like" issues
He was investigated for throwing a campagne bottle at someone in a club last November.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/chargers/2009-11-23-antonio-cromartie_N.htm?csp=34&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomNfl-TopStories+(Sports+-NFL-+Top+Stories)
He is also sort of a loud mouth from what I remember. He cried about training camp food and ended up being fined becuase of running his mouth on Twitter.
However, we are still waiting for McKelvin’s potential to show and only have Floreance for another year. I think replacing Lynch would be an eaiser move than replacing a CB if needed. May make sense for the long term furture if the Lynch/Cromartie trade is realistic.
I also heard Bulldog say today that he has a bit of Travis Henry in him, so to speak.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 18, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
My only issue is that Cromartie is entering the final year of his deal. We might be looking at a rent-a-player scenario for a season before AC blows town.
Otherwise I’m down. You’re getting a more talented player at a similar price tag. You’re getting a player who plays a far more critical position than the one you’re dealing away. You’re coming out about even on intangibles. I’d be OK with it, but unless we got AC signed to a long-term deal, I don’t see the long-term value.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions
If it is a rent-a-player then wouldnt you like them to throw in a draft pick as well? Seems kind of silly to trade Lynch for a rental at a position that will need long term upgrading with McGee getting older, Florence could be gone after next, and McKelvins starting ability is in question.
The only way I do this is if he IS signed long term.
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I doubt SD would agree to that trade.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Marshawn is more talented than Cromartie IMO. Cromartie had one solid year. If he is “that” good don’t you think the Chargers would want to keep him locked up?
From a pure athletic standpoint, I’d be hard pressed to name 5 guys more physically gifted in the entirety of the league than Antonio Cromartie. That’s what I meant by “talented.”
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Cromartie had one GREAT year
Lynch has had two solid years.
Cromartie has a lot more physical talent than Lynch. As Brian said, itd be tough to name 5 more physically gifted players than him…
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2010 5:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Vernon Gholston
is pretty athletically gifted. He sucks (for now)
Anyways, I do this trade all day long. There are plenty of RBs that would be good back-ups that will be available in the later rounds…
Hardesty
McCluster
McKnight
Anthony Dixon
Charles Scott
Chris Brown
Javaris James (eh)
Stafon Johnson
… to name a few. If Cromartie won’t agree to a new deal, then there is no deal.
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by ForeignArrow on Feb 17, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well Gholston hasn't done a thing as a pro
Cromartie has 15 career INT’s. That’s pretty unfair to Cromartie to even mention a Gholston in the same breath.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
and Lynch has how many left ?
2 I think ? Not much difference there.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
I’d do it as a straight up trade in a heartbeat. Sure, Comartie’s contract is running out soon and he’s something of an idiot. The same can be said of Lynch. At least Cromartie hasn’t run down any Canadians and isn’t on Goodell’s hit list. Besides, maybe Lynch would be happier back in Cali…
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
Not a huge fan of Cromartie
His play has dropped off significantly the past few years. Of course, that upside is still there.
The problem I see is Cromartie’s rookie contract will be up soon, and a new deal would have to be reached or we’ll have traded for him for a year or two. He’s probably worth more than say a 4th rounder, but the Bills would have him for a shorter period of time. Of course, a new deal would alleviate that issue, but would he be worth it?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2010 10:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Similar to Florence...
His performance dropped off big time when he was with the Jags but once he came to Buffalo his play was solid. If we could get a long term deal done that would be the best. Plus with Florence on the roster and the excellent caliber of a Secondary Coach we have in Catavolos I think it may be able to work out.
exactly
I think Catavolos could do a LOT in the secondary with Byrd, McKelvin and Cromartie – three of the most athletically gifted youngsters at the corner position – in terms of molding them for long term success as a unit.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
well should say
two of the most athletically gifted youngsters at the corner position. Byrd is neither a corner, nor am I sure he is one of the most athletically gifted. He certainly has a knack for the ball though.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
My problem with Cromartie
Is his production, it has been going down hill the past couple years. I know CB is a hole we will need to fill in say 2011 or 2012. I don’t see him getting the playing time this year to even see how good he can be. I mean McGee/Florence are the starters and they are going to be putting McKelvin out there to see what he has, that would make Cromartie #4.
Would you trade your back up RB for a #4 CB who is in the last year of his contract?
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Cromartie is more talented than any of the corners currently on the roster, and matches up well size-speed with Moss.
Any addition of talent is good. Only hang-up is, as mentioned, resigning Cromartie.
I would also agree that Cromartie is more talented than our current corners. His tackling has been a little questionable at times but his man cover skills are far an away better than what is on our roster. McGee has missed 7 games the past two years and was often playing hurt. McKelvin only played in 3 games last year. I think if we were able to get a sign and trade deal in place it would make a lot of sense.
Definitely
Any infusion of talent would be more than welcome, especially a player of Cromartie’s talent.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2010 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Look at this
Cromartie pulls up on Shonn Greene then delivers a late hit in the endzone on the Jets backbreaking TD in the playoffs last season, why would you want a CB who takes of plays and then commits a second effort late hit?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 19, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
the link didnt post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na4cE3m2Gwo
I also added it in with the link button. here it is
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 19, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
Horrible Idea
I can’t stand how after one bad year, behind one of the worst, merry-go-round offensive lines I have ever seen, everyone is so turn coat on Lynch.
Bottom line: you need two good running backs in the NFL. The Bills don’t need another CB.
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It’s not necessarily his bad year that is having ppl talk about trade rumors. It’s his constant off the field issues and the emergence of Fred Jackson. Jackson proved he could run / catch behind a “merry-go-round” OL and Lynch proved to be fairly worthless unless his OL is stable. If they traded Lynch is almost certain they would either add a complimentary back to Jackson through the draft or FA, they wouldn’t just leave the spot vacant.
Fred Jackson
performed significantly better than Lynch behind the same line. The dude is mailing it in. He doesn’t run half as hard as he did when he was a rook.
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by ForeignArrow on Feb 17, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
They are going to fix the LT position and the line will be much better this year. I trust the CHIX administration to rectify this problem first and foremost. I suspect that this line will be a very physical run mauling line by mid-season.
Gailey/Modkins will develop a system that will feature both Jackson AND Lynch
Lynch will be rejuvinated under the Gailey regime. He will become the power running back that he was designed to be. Hesitation will be a thing of the past and he will blast through the holes like the BEAST he is..
Based on everything I’ve read about both Gailey & Modkins, I can easily imagine both being well over 1000y in 2010.
With real play-calling and actual deception, the sky is the limit! Schonert & VP were awful at deception and their play-calling was so predictable, teams could easily key in.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
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i would love to see us trade marshawn and get some value…obviously cromartie has more potential than a 4th round pick and would immedietly start on our defense IMO. also i remember reading somewhere that NIX was instrumental in the scouting and drafting of cromartie when he came out of FSU after an injury plauged season (i think it was a torn ACL). anyways, is there any truth to this rumor? if so, lets pull the F-ing trigger NIX!!
sure we have other pressing needs other than CB to fill and if given the choice would rather trade marshawn for a player of cromarties skill level and potential at a diff position (if that makes sense), but this is a great value trade for us and if its on the table we have to jump at it.
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Not a rumor...
The article of ESPN just reported that the Chargers are possibly looking to trade Cromartie for a RB and I wanted to bring up the discussion of trading Lynch for him.
Cromartie is wayyy overrated
I much rather have Lynch than Cromartie. What people fail to realize is he had one good season and now is just an alright player… hence why they are trying to get rid of him. They have realized he is not that good and want to try to get something out of him while his stock is considered high. Id be willing to trade Lynch for Merriman or Mcnield but thats it, and they are not even signed by SD yet, so maybe will be able to keep Lynch and pick one of these guys up in FA.
Talk about overrated....
Merriman? He is a shell of his former self. Has never even come close to making the impact he did before the roid issue. Would not want the Bills to overpay for him – he is due a new contract. Plus he is a drama queen and has had a lot of off the field issues.
I guess that the Ravens will make the deal. Mcgahee for Cromartie … sounds perfect for both teams!
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WHY ?????
First of all, our defensive backfield is quite solid. McGee/Florence/McKelvin is our future. Is Cromartie better yes, do we need him – no.
Second, Cromartie is going to cost a future to resign next year, whereas McGee/Florence/McKelvin do not. Cromartie is not enough of an upgrade to justify spending that much more money at the position. Plus, I think McKelvin will start to show why he was drafted in the first round, he has a lot of upside.
Third, we need Lynch. I am not willing to give him up for what amounts to basically a marginal upgrade at a position where we are already set. If we trade Lynch we need to replace him. Regardless if you like Lynch as a person or not, he is a potential pro-bowl back that should have a great year in 2010. Gailey is a “run first” type of guy and a guy like Lynch can be a big part of that offense.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
I wouldn’t make this trade in a million years, primarily because we’re already LOADED at CB and because Cromartie has serious character issues like Marshawn, which would be addition by subtraction; something that to me defines stupidity. I’d rather trade Marshawn for a second-rounder and use that on either Mount Cody, Cam Thomas or Brandon Spikes for that matter.
If they want Marshawn, the Chargers would have to offer Luis Castillo, who fits perfectly as 3-4 DE.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 18, 2010 2:36 PM EST reply actions
O.K.
You’d give up a sec rounder for a guy one strike away from suspension? I don’t think that’s gonna happen. But you don’t want to trade Lynch anyways so I hear ya…
I’m not necessarily opposed to trading Marshawn, although I’d prefer not to, as long as the offer is right, which I believe should be a second rounder or a third and a fifth.
I just don’t think adding Antonio Cromartie is a very good move at all for us, when we’re already loaded with solid CB’s in our backfield. Yeah, McGee won’t last forever, but still the guy hasn’t shown signs of slowing down, in spite of him reaching 30. Leodis, I believe, will become a tremendous CB, especially with the tutoring of Catavolos. Florence did exceptionally well last year and still has a year left on his contract with us. Youboty has the physical tools to be a starter in this league and a very, very good one, but so far injuries have depleted him. Reggie Corner is still a good 4. CB, though with limited upside. That young rookie from West Virginia did very well during the pre season and displayed a knack for the football.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 18, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
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