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Ed Kilgore doesn't like the idea of Michael Vick in Buffalo and he hopes Trent Edwards gets another shot at being the QB. He also looks at the holes at offensive and defensive tackle spots and thinks the Bills should address those early then go after a Dan LeFevour or Tim Tebow in the draft.

John Clayton's Mailbag | ESPN.com
"What I'm puzzled about more than anything is the [Bills'] decision to go to a 3-4 defense. No doubt the Bills have been pulverized when they play 3-4 defenses, and that's a big problem because three AFC East teams play the 3-4. But making the switch only adds to their needs." He goes on to say he thinks too many teams are switching to the 3-4 than the available personnel can support.

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Bucky Brooks looks at the QB position heading into free agency.

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Bills Need QB - But Not in 1st Round | WGRZ.com
Ed Kilgore doesn't like the idea of Michael Vick in Buffalo and he hopes Trent Edwards gets another shot at being the QB. He also looks at the holes at offensive and defensive tackle spots and thinks the Bills should address those early then go after a Dan LeFevour or Tim Tebow in the draft.

Allen Wilson's first mock draft of 2010 : Buffalo Bills : The Buffalo News
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John Clayton actually making some sense.........

go figure.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

Funny I sort of disagree with Clayton. Actually I agree with him that Gailey created a bigger list of needs by forcing the conversion to a 3-4 right away but in fact it makes sense to get it out of the way in year 1 while there are no real expectations. If he waits another year or two it might never happen. The team will struggle in 2010 – fine. We will be in a decent draft position again in 2011 and then hopefully in 2012 we can get back to the playoffs

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I dont disagree with you.....

but I was just shocked mostly that Clayton made a logical argument……for once.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 23, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No he actually does not

Clayton goes no deeper than the surface when reporting on football and his opinions to me are mostly fluff. His assertion that it was a dumb move to go to the 3-4 is so short-sighted it makes me laugh, and his backing up that point with the fact that ‘Kyle Williams might not have a position’ is ludicrous. We haven’t won anything with our current players, not even close. To continually fault Gailey (whom he is still blasting as non-exciting – cuz that’s what really wins games John, an exciting hire) for switching schemes just because our current crappy personnel doesn’t fit is pathetic. But since he’s at ESPN we’ll all continue to listen to him.

by jmkney on Feb 22, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

But… but… but… Kyle Williams isn’t suited for any position in the 3-4. And Clayton’s point is that so many teams have made the switch in recent years that finding capable players, specifically NTs and DEs, is really hard. He’s right about all that.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I agree. If the 3-4 works here, it won’t matter, but I hope their reasons for using it extend beyond the “it’s hard to prepare for” argument.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure that it does

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

finding capable players, specifically NTs and DEs, is really hard.

throwing it out there – but wouldn’t it be easier? not the transition – but to find guys ilke this.

the NT is tough for sure – but 3/4 DE’s can be found because they aren’t typically asked to be penetrators.

then with LB’s – a TON of guys have that makeup and can be more versatile (ST). so instead of trying to find 2 quality pass rushing DEs and 2 quality DTs we can find 1 NT, 2 DEs that have to occupy blockers and a bunch of LBs that seem to be, well everywhere.

i might be a little off on that – but past NT – seems like the 3-4 might be easier to draft for.

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Clayton went into it more than I did. Read the whole article if you haven’t.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I read it – but i was asking the community if it’s easier to draft for a 3-4 than a 4-3

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Given our history at drafting 4-3 defenders, it would have to be easier to draft 3-4 guys

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

not to blow up against Chan Gailey again......

but there is nothing about the guy that is exciting……..especially his previous track record.

-Buffalo Rumblings resident Chan Gailey basher-

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you mean there's nothing exciting about Chan Gailey?

I mean, there’s that Super Bowl he won as head coach…………, wait, no, that playoff win he was head coach for………………….., hold on, no, that national champtionship he lead Georgia Tech to in college…………………nope, um………wait for it……………..I’m still thinking……………ah, I know, he was offensive coordinator when the Kansas City Chiefs went 2-14 in 2008, but Tyler Thigpen showed some improvement and is now a favorite target of many here on this website!

by StroudFanClub on Feb 22, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I had the same thoughts as John

Until K pointed out that it is the perfect time to make the switch. If we are going to go to rebuild mode, go all in. I trust it won’t be as complex as fans such as myself see it, but the glass is alot less than half full now, IMO.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Feb 22, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

K is right. All in baby!

Besides, Nix and Gailey did not inspire any major expectations for the future so it’s the perfect time to start over.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey Joe
K is right.

Can you put that one in your Rumblings’ quotes library?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmmmm...maybe if we add
K is right. All in baby! TWSS

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 23, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Van

You could make the argument that staying with the 4-3 for one more year then switching next year, makes the Bills a more competitive team. This year they could focus solely on the offense and next year focus solely on the defense.

With all due respects to Mr Clayton to fixing both, this allows you to draft the BPA (at almost any position) since we need so many holes filled. It’s going to be a 2 year rebuild (at minimum) anyway, why not get your current personnel up to speed on the systems you will run, filling in the holes as you go.

by Moose68 on Feb 22, 2010 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

good point!
this allows you to draft the BPA (at almost any position)

and still draft need

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

3-4 players are EASIER to find

Every year I think Clayton becomes more and more of a hack.

Besides franchise QBs, franchise 4-3 DEs are the hardest personnel to find in the draft. We’ve already covered on this site the many variations and permutations of the 3-4 that give it flexibility with regard to the NT position – maybe he should read more and speak less.

by kgun201 on Feb 23, 2010 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

or maybe just become a Mary Kay sales rep and drive a pink cady! I could see Johnny boy behind a pink cady!

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

3-4 players are EASIER to find

I disagree. I think 4-3 DEs are hard to find, sure. But so are 3-4 pass rushing OLBs. It’s essentially the same position.

What Clayton and I have been saying is the Nose Tackle position, the single most important factor in the 3-4’s success, is hard to find. That why three of them are getting franchised this year. 3-4 NTs are harder to find than 4-3 DEs.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you say that Nose is the hardest to find when you can get by in some 3-4 schemes with a big fat immovable object in there? They don’t have to be athletic, they just have to occupy blocks and eat up space.

What you mean is it’s hard to find a NT that can collapse the pocket and penetrate. That’s indeed very hard to find and those are the guys you are seeing getting tagged. But they are a luxory, but not a neccesity.

But so are 3-4 pass rushing OLBs. It’s essentially the same position.

I don’t think this holds up.

The vast majorioty of pass rushing ends in college come into the league as “tweeners” who need to bulk-up to be effective against the run – ala Maybin. It’s much more rare to find a kid who is ~20 years old who has the athleticism to beat a professional tackle on the edge yet be stout enough to hold up against the run.

Buffalo has time-and-time again had to trade off between guys who could rush the passer and guys who could hold up against the run, and eventually settled for guys who were mediocre at one or both. With the exception of Schobel who was a freakish athlete – which is what the 4-3 end position calls for.

The 3-4 spreads these roles better and allows you to get-by with less than freakish athletes in your front 3. That’s reason #2 why we are making the switch after all. Reason #1 being the variability of scheme.

by kgun201 on Feb 23, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

How can you say that Nose is the hardest to find when you can get by in some 3-4 schemes with a big fat immovable object in there?

The Chiefs made the transition to 3-4 last year and they had former Bill Ron Edwards start games for them.

The 3-4 NT has to cover two gaps with the possibility of three blockers, the center and both guards, taking shots and him not to mention a lead blocker.

Here’s a couple articles to read about the difficulty of finding a stud NT:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/replacing-a-nose-tackle-in-nfl-is-no-83927.html
http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story?id=09000d5d8124eb61&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-4_defense

by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you read the whole thing?

http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story?id=09000d5d8124eb61&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Most personnel people would tell you that it is easier to find two-gap linemen that can play in the NFL than it is to find great one-gap penetrators, which is one thing that is appealing about a 3-4.

by kgun201 on Feb 23, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s easier to find, as you called it, “big fat immovable object” type guys who can hold down space. If that’s what you’re going for, fine. I want a guy who actually does mroe than occupy two blockers. :-)

by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

@ the end of the day...

It’s all academic. The Bills are a 3-4 team now.

by kgun201 on Feb 23, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Dominant 4-3 DT's aren't exactly easy to come by either....

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You are absolutely right, in a 4-3 the DTs must be stout and dominant. In a 3-4, tweener DTs can get recycled to DE, again providing a bit more flexibility at draft time IMO.

I am of the same opinion as Kgun201, I think the fact that it’s easier to recycle Tweeners to the OLB position and get great productivity from them than it is to find the perfect 4-3 DE.

I don’t think it is quite as difficult to find a fat guy to man the middle, maybe the elite guys that can stop the run AND blow-up the middle but the scheme can get by with just the run-blocking part.

I think we could debate this until we are blue in the face but again like Kgun201 said, it’s all academic now…

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 24, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

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