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Quarterback, linemen are Bills' biggest need areas

Over the past several weeks, we've been meticulously examining each and every position on the Buffalo Bills' roster in a series we called State of the Bills Roster. With proper apologies to the team's specialists - Brian Moorman, Rian Lindell and Garrison Sanborn are all excellent pros and aren't going anywhere - we're going to wrap that series up this morning by putting together the Bills' official (at least in these parts) needs list.

We've also spoken several times about the lack of top-end talent available via free agency this season. With rule changes on the horizon, teams will be scrambling to find quality players over the next few months. It's not a good time for our Bills to begin a re-building process, folks, but those are the breaks. What's done is done, and Buffalo's needs won't be fixed by 20/20 hindsight.

After the jump, we'll talk about 10 positional groups - yeah, that's how starved for talent this team is - in need of reinforcements. Our guess is that exactly zero of these listings will surprise you; it's not exactly a secret where Buffalo is hurting most for talent. The type of talent available at those positions will determine Buffalo's off-season strategy, so we'll talk about that angle of the situation as well.

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CRITICAL NEEDS
1. Quarterback:
Bet you didn't see this one coming! We won't beat the dead horse, because really, we don't need to. Buffalo needs a franchise quarterback in a bad, bad way. Ideally, an NFL team can find a young guy to build around at the top of the draft, which is why you're bound to hear names like Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen plenty over the next few months. (Heck, you'll hear Tim Tebow's name a lot, too.) Neither is a lock to be available when the Bills choose at No. 9 overall, however, so Buffalo may take the veteran stop-gap route here, with Chad Pennington being the most desirable available option in that vein. This decision, whenever it's made, is by leaps and bounds the most critical decision that Buddy Nix will make this off-season.

2. Offensive tackle: After the retirement of fourth-year right tackle Brad Butler, the Bills are in dire straits at this position. Demetrius Bell, last year's starting left tackle, is on the mend, and shouldn't be handed anything in the way of a starting spot. Jonathan Scott (a restricted free agent), Jamon Meredith and venerable names such as Andre Ramsey, Jason Watkins and Nick Hennessey make up the rest of the depth here. Yeah - the Bills need help at OT, and a lot of it. They'd be smart to address the position via both the veteran and rookie routes; Artis Hicks and Tony Pashos are viable starting options, and rookies such as Russell Okung, Anthony Davis, Bryan Bulaga and Trent Williams look NFL-ready as well. Not only do the Bills need to find two starters here, but they could really stand to upgrade their depth, as well.

3. Nose tackle: Buffalo's switch to the 3-4 defense has left the team with a massive need (quite literally) at the nose tackle spot. The trouble is, there are a bunch of other, more established 3-4 teams in the same boat. Ideally, you'd like a veteran anchor here in the first year of the scheme transition, but the most realistic options available - names like Bryan Robinson and Jimmy Kennedy - are rather underwhelming. Dan Williams and Terrence Cody are two highly-touted rookies capable of manning the two-gap nose tackle spot.

NON-CRITICAL DEPTH NEEDS
4. Pass rusher:
These guys play OLB in the 3-4, and the Bills weren't exactly loaded with pass rushing specialists when they ran the 4-3. Aaron Schobel may retire, and the jury is still out on 2009 first-round pick Aaron Maybin. There's no depth to speak of behind those two guys, as the options either lack the athletic prowess (Chris Kelsay) or any prowess whatsoever (Chris Ellis) to get onto the field. Pass rushers are virtually impossible to find via free agency, so expect to see a name or two here added in April. You can never have enough of these guys when you run a 3-4.

5. Defensive end: Buffalo, at least, has some options here. Marcus Stroud is a lock to start at one of the end positions, and Spencer Johnson and Kyle Williams are capable of taking reps there as well. But the 3-4 is built from the line back, and the Bills could stand to bring in guys much better equipped to play defensive line in this scheme. This is one area where the Bills have a lot of options, including unheralded vets (Justin Bannan, Nick Eason, Travis Kirschke) or solid rookie prospects (Jared Odrick, Arthur Jones, Tyson Alualu).

6. Inside linebacker: Again, the Bills have options here, as Paul Posluszny and Kawika Mitchell will be penciled in as starters, at least initially. But the lack of depth behind those two players is alarming, and Mitchell might still end up moonlighting as an outside linebacker on passing downs. You can always find a mid-round thumper in the draft, but the Bills actually have a lot of cheap options here via free agency, as well, with Larry Foote, Ryan Fowler and Matt Wilhelm the most coveted choices.

7. Guard/Center: Andy Levitre and Geoff Hangartner are locks to start, and if Eric Wood can't make it back from his gruesome leg break in time to lock down a starting job, likely restricted free agent tender Richie Incognito can hold down the fort. Depth is a big concern, so expect bodies, but not necessarily big names. The team simply has bigger fish to fry.

8. Tight end: Last week's release of Derek Fine left Buffalo with just one tight end under contract - second-year man Shawn Nelson. Derek Schouman, a restricted free agent, will probably be retained (as could exclusive rights free agent Jonathan Stupar), but Buffalo could look to get bigger and more physical behind Nelson as the team bulks up its rushing attack. This is a spot where a veteran blocking option such as Brandon Manumaleuna, Casey FitzSimmons, Sean Ryan or Ben Hartsock makes a ton of sense.

9. Running back: Quiz - how many running backs are currently on Buffalo's roster? The answer there would be "two," and given Marshawn Lynch's possible status shift under the new regime, that number could dwindle. Buffalo would do well to find a speed back capable of complementing the skills of Lynch and starter Fred Jackson, but the pickings are slim. Having a third running back not named Corey McIntyre would still be nice.

10. Wide receiver: Terrell Owens and Josh Reed are unrestricted free agents, and the team's most proven option opposite Lee Evans that's currently under contract is Roscoe Parrish. Yikes. Sure, James Hardy or Steve Johnson might decide that year three is their break-out season, but the team would be wise not to count on that. A cheap veteran to compete for playing time would be a smart signing - unless, of course, they can get Owens to swallow his pride and be part of the re-building project.

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Personally, I’d like to see WR higher on the list because we need one starter and at least one backup. I’m all for upgrading depth but I need starters who are capable first. There are so many places we need starters, though. Not to beat a dead horse but this year might not have been the year to transition to the 3-4. :-)

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

I agree that WR needs to be a higher priority. Parrish, Hardy, and Johnson haven’t done much.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 22, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I think last is about right, but maybe rb should be last (or maybe o gaurd)(t

 Cuz if you don’t have a qb to throw it to them, you are screwed. And if you don’t have a line to protect that qb you are screwed. And if you have a crappy defense, the qb and line don’t even get a chance to see the field all that often.

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 22, 2010 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Since when is a consistent contender built with WR high on the priority list?

Sure, in an ideal world, WR would rank higher on the list, but nothing about the Bills starting from scratch again is ideal.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah again…Two year process…

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by sireric on Feb 22, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

two year?

lol………..we’re on year 10

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

well two years from now…so 12 year total..

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by sireric on Feb 22, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when is a consistent contender built with WR high on the priority list?

well – the Lions did that for a few years. but, well……. we all know how that worked out

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Game ....Set.....Match ..... rec'd :-)

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when is a contender built around backup tight ends or linemen?

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

… I hope you meant backup linemen.

I list backup lineman ahead of starting receiver because no matter how we address the line, nothing will or should be set in stone there. I’d rather have options there than at receiver.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant TE and interior OL. As in we have some guys that already, like, play those positions.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

We have exactly one TE on the roster. And we have two sure-fire starters on the roster, one gimpy gus, and a head case on the interior O-Line.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

gimpy gus = sweet.

However, can we call Wood “Gimpy Gus”, and Incognito “Grumpy Gus”? Sort of like Tweedledee and Tweedledum?

by jj24 on Feb 22, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we can just call Incognito "Tweedledumb"

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I like your idea better.

by jj24 on Feb 22, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if they weren’t going to tender Schouman why didn’t they release him with the other guys?

Interior OL – Even with Wood out of the mix you have three capable starters. Without addressing WR you have a single capable starter for two spots. I’d rather add a starter than depth. My preference.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I’m speaking more philosophically, then, because I’m not a hole-plugger – I’m a team-builder.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL
because I’m not a hole-plugger – I’m a team-builder.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s my philosophy. Get a starter-caliber guy at every starting position. Then start supplanting your lesser starters with really good starters are superstars relegating those former starters to backup spots. Ideally this creates good depth and a good starting lineup while keeping guys on your roster that belong on your roster. Obviously that can’t always happen but it’s my ideal.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh my
I’m not a hole-plugger

I’m guessing you already deleted anything Joe P might have said to that….

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by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha...staying away from that one so as not to get banned :-)

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Schouman wouldn't need to be released....

He doesn’t have a contract as it is….

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by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

With all of Buffalo’s needs at premium positions, I’d be willing to let Hardy, Johnson, and Parrish take their shot this year and see what you have in them…You’re right; LAST year was the perfect year to can Jauron’s hopeless roster and switch to the 3-4, but that horse is dead as well.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Feb 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with both of you

in what way was last year the perfect year to rebuild our defense? We had a QB who the fan base and coaches believed had flashed enough potential to take the next step. We were already throwing him out there to start with the most inexperienced line in the history of football and a starting running back who was suspended without yet knowing what Fred Jackson could do. The last thing Trent Edwards would have needed to succeed is a new defense that got absolutely demolished.

There is never a perfect year or even a good year to transition defenses but this year is as close as it gets. New regime, new coach. A deep NFL draft which should help us attend multiple needs and a GM who helped build one of the decades best 3-4 defenses and still has many ties to the players, coaches, executives and agents he worked with there. Don’t downplay Nix’s working knowledge with players agents in this league.

The Bills have a long history this decade of being strong on offense and terrible on defense and then strong on defense and terrible on offense. Its about time we rebuilt them together.

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by poz on Feb 22, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have 86’d the inner circle, Jauron, the Tampa 2, and Trent Edwards following the collapse of 2008 and started over then, rather than wasting a year hoping that a bad front office would suddenly have the vision necessary to identify players who would get Buffalo over the top, bad coach would suddenly win more than he lost, a bad QB would suddenly produce points, and a bad defense would suddenly be imposing. Instead, 2009 was wasted and the re-building effort was delayed by a precious season. I’m glad Gailey and Nix appear to be moving towards a whole sale fix, but this should have taken place last year…oh well, I can’t wait to kick off and get this thing underway (which is SOOOOO much more than I could say for my state of mind last year at this time).

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Feb 22, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

All the signs were point to a disastrous 2009 season. Keeping the lame duck coach and front office was more hurtful than a mediocre season would have helped….

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by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I woulda just drafted Oher instead of Maybin. that has to be worth two wins there.

by MadmanJack on Feb 23, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

In hindsight, sure. But there’s a reason Oher was in the latter half of the first round. There were questions about his learning ability and polish on his technique. It appears to have worked out for BAL, but Oher was the 4th OT off the board for a reason.

Ultimately time will tell on that choice.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 23, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice Article

If I where ranking the Top 3 Needs, I’d swtich OT to #1 and QB to #2.

Butler’s retirement really hurt us. Before he reitred the arguement could’ve been made that you only needed 1 tackle, now you need @ least 2.

Definatley will be very interesting March/April around here. As it always has been the last ten years.

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by Michael_Necci on Feb 22, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

I think QB is always the #1 need when you don't have one, but that doesn't mean I would reach to take one in the first round

I am on board the Fat Guy Express this draft :-)

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I purchased my ticket last year (early bird special)

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too....to bad Wood busted a wheel :-(

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

ya – that was a WTF moment for me.

I mean – we finally get a guy that can stay on the inside of our line for 10-15 years and is widely considered a great interior player – a great pick and even Bill Billichick like him and it’s possible he’ll never see the football field.

what happens in Buffalo sometimes just makes me wonder if we’re all just f’d

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to beat another dead horse

What a testimony to Donahoe/Levy/Brandon front office eras

by radan on Feb 22, 2010 9:20 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

The Marv/Jauron era crippled this team

What a mess they’ve left

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by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Why single out one of the two awful eras?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

this wasn;t a four year mess, this is a decade long mess.

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by poz on Feb 22, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Because there’s nothing from the Donahoe era that began 2009 on this team that wasn’t either drafted, traded for, signed, re-signed, or extended by the Jauron-era regime. The mess that is the current roster has absolutely nothing to do with Tom Donahoe…Even Buddy Nix is more at fault for the state of this mess than Donahoe (and obviously, I say that tongue and cheek, but Nix was at least employed by the team at the end of this nightmare).

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Feb 22, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

So blame Jauron for Donahoe not drafting any sustainable talent?

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Jauron’s people extended or re-signed: Kelsay, Schobel, Parrish, Reed, Evans, McGee, Moorman, Lindell from the Donahoe years off the top of my head from the 2009 Bills’ roster; they kept who they thought they could win with and after four horrible seasons, their choices were proven misguided…Yes, Jauron’s regime gets the entirity of the blame for the current roster because it’s a mess and it was entirely of their choosing.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Feb 22, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I disagree. I think a lot of those guys have talent, first off. The Donahoe and Jauron eras were sorely lacking in superstar talent. That’s the biggest problem. If Donahoe or Jauron had drafted them we wouldn’t be having this conversation. It doesn’t matter who signed or re-signed them.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think those regimes were just missing the QB. if they had a franchise QB I think they would have looked a lot better

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the Donahoe era didn't help

But I think there was a golden opportunity to quickly wipe that away but Ralph went with Marv/Jauron….

I think the lack of top end talent acquired during this past regime was killer….

I agree with Port Royal that any players currently on the roster, and their contracts, are all a result of this past regime. Tom Donahoe drafted some of them, sure, but Marv/Jauron kept them around and extended some of them. Instead of rebuilding, they tried patching holes.

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by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

lack of top end talent

Yup. That’s the key phrase right there.

by krytime on Feb 22, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Another thing people are forgetting is the flushing of veteran talent and leadership that occurred when the Jauron/Levy regime came in, getting rid of guys like Fletcher & Spikes hurt us in so many ways. I realize that the reason was because they weren’t perceived as tampax 2 players but it still took a lot of passion away from our defense in one solid swoop.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Any Chance.......

Bell can move to the right side and we draft a left tackle?

I personally like Bell’s motor and maybe against the weaker pass rushing side he could be more successful and eliminate that need?

by MikeEverett08 on Feb 22, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

that’s a good thought, i believe.

by quantumuprising on Feb 22, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure, there’s a chance. Nothing we can count on, though.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I would guess it ends up being a competition between Bell, Meredith, and a middle-of-the-road vet for the RT slot. Best case scenario, Bell and Meredith turn into solid or better starters. Worst case, well, at least people are doing their best to try to win the job.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 23, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that the order is that important, but to me ILB and G/C are the least critical areas on this list. And I’d have WR in the 5/6 range.

by Pistol on Feb 22, 2010 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

I can get behind G/C being not-so-critical, but ILB is very important. We quite literally have zero depth there, and we need to bring in 4-5 guys behind Poz and Kawika. Who the hell would play special teams if we didn’t?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But aren’t backup inside LBs who can play STs something that’s relatively easy to find?

That’s the reason I think it’s a lower priority than positions where the Bills need starters.

by Pistol on Feb 22, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

what happened to John DiGiorgio? Is he still around? He actually did a decent job in 2008 backing up Poz, is he still on the team?

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s not.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2010 6:54 AM EST up reply actions  

From Wikipedia:

He was waived by the Buffalo Bills on July 25, 2009 for failing his physical after having season-ending surgery to repair bone damage in his right knee.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 23, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

We need a QB in Buffalo?

Dont we have three of them?

;)

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

We’ve needed a QB in Buffalo since January of 1997.

"It took twenty five years to get there, and they did it in championship style" - Van Miller 1/20/91.

by Michael_Necci on Feb 22, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Drew Bledsoe had the greatest statistical season in Bills history.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

WR needs to be higher

A starter is needed, as is depth.

The problem is that it’s hard to argue any of the rankings though, in reality. We need so many more players and better players. It’s disgusting how devoid of talent this team is.

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by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It’s disgusting how devoid of talent this team is.

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

nearly complete

as in completely devoid. sad. pathetic. hopeless? fruitless? pointless…………..? may as well just trade what talent is left to gain at least a few picks towards our COMPLETELY retooled defense (which though consistantly mediocre was far and aware better than our offense) and hope that there is something left over for offense. 2 or 3 year rebuild? may as well trade Lee, since that could fetch and 1st and MAYBE a 3rd or 4th if we are lucky. i mean, by the time we can “contend” we will need to be looking to draft a new WR and/or resign Lee anyway. and this is coming from maybe Lee’s biggest fan. that isn’t related. or knows him. but i mean, i consider him maybe the best player to have been on the team for more than a season (otherwise its Byrd. i mean, come on…) and it would be a day i would rather not see come, if it weren’t a viable opportunity to improve the team by gaining extra picks and probably having a chance at a decent replacement right away who doesn’t need to succeed for multiple years. (* see Byrant, Dez; Tate,Golden)

FS Jairus Byrd- Pro Bowl Rookie

by Ren Diggity on Feb 22, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

far and away better

unlike my diction.

FS Jairus Byrd- Pro Bowl Rookie

by Ren Diggity on Feb 22, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Jahvid Best anybody?

Nigh on impossible due to the fact we have much more pressing needs granted. However if Lynch does go (especially if traded) Jahvid Best in the 2nd Rd would be a good move IMO, as he can be the next big superstar! He has all the ingredients needed; speed, skills & creativity which has been so sorely missing in Buffalo’s running game.

I would love him @ Buffalo but I know people are gonna say it utter madness, due to the fact we so desperate in other areas. I just think he is gonna be something really special, and don’t want us to miss out… like we did with Ray Rice.

by Kill_Bill on Feb 22, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

I’m not sure Ray Rice looks like Ray Rice if he was playing in Buffalo the past couple years.

It’s a focus on the skill positions (and under Jauron, the secondary) that got the Bills into trouble.

by Pistol on Feb 22, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair point...

But talent is still talent & that boy has it in spadefuls!

by Kill_Bill on Feb 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You won’t get any argument from me on that.

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by sireric on Feb 22, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Was Kill_Bill talking about Best or Ray Rice?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Jahvid Best in the 2nd Rd would be a good move IMO, as he can be the next big superstar!

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by sireric on Feb 22, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Pistol:

I’m not sure Ray Rice looks like Ray Rice if he was playing in Buffalo the past couple years.

Kill_Bill, in reply:

Fair point… But talent is still talent & that boy has it in spadefuls!

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Both?

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by sireric on Feb 22, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, OK. I was just curious. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair play

I think they are both quality backs, who can enhance an offense 10 fold.

by Kill_Bill on Feb 22, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

WR

  WR should be a top priority. Everyone is satisfied with Lee Evans, WHY? When is the last time you saw him go over the middle and catch a ball, when was the last time he broke free from double coverage??? Top WR who make $6 million dollars or more a year on other teams don’t have a problem doing it.

by Bob on Feb 22, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

This is the problem

ATM Buffalo has so many gaping holes & WR is definitely in need of major surgery! Just one of a million & 1 problems! But every problem has a solution… Hopefully Nix, Whaley & Galey will find the right answers to take us to the next level.

by Kill_Bill on Feb 22, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

If Owens and Reed leave, the team is in dire straights at the position. Hardy and Johnson are not game-worn, and the chances that they flourish under yet another schematic change aren’t are high as many people seem to think.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Lee Evans is what he is. Can’t a tight end or a slot receiver catch balls over the middle? The “Lee Evans isn’t all-everything, so we need a WR” argument makes no sense to me.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

According to Tim Graham, the TE position in general throughout the AFC East is an afterthought. I’d expect even less production from any Bills tight end this year, as far as catching passes goes. I’ll be joyously surprised if it turns out otherwise.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 22, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I would expect more production out of the TE position. Nelson will be a year more experienced. Schouman will be back from injury. I’d imagine we pick up somebody with more receiving ability than Fine had because two-TE sets are a good way to counteract the 3-4, and as has been noted repeatedly, we play against a lot of 3-4s and Galey is actually a competent offensive mind.

Not actually knocking Graham (this time), but he’s talking about the past. NE didn’t need great TEs because they have had Welker. MIA is a run-first offense and so are the Jets. None of those teams identities are tied to great receiving from the TE spot. How many great receiving TEs are in the game right now anyway? Gonzo? Witten? Clark? Maybe Heap still? The list is small.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 23, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

You left off Antonio Gates and Kellen Winslow, Jr.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I did miss Gates. I’ve never been completely sold on Winslow, but even if that’s true, it’s what, 6 dangerous receiving TE’s in the game today? That’s not even one per division.

My ultimate point was that there are very few “elite” TE’s in the way that Graham was talking about them. That doesn’t mean you can’t get what you need out of guys like Visanthe Shiancoe and Owen Daniels and Dustin Keller and Vernon Davis. And, of course, Shawn Nelson hopefully. I would expect better TE production with a QB that has time to throw, a competent OC, and fewer WR options (as will probably be the case after FA is done).

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 23, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I would put QB #7 on the list

Just to stir the pot a little (why not?) let me argue that QB is not a major need for 2010. This is a rebuilding year for sure, so the team can get along with a mediocre QB if necessary while it focuses on other positions. If I were Nix and Gailey, I would have an open competition among the three QB’s currently on the roster, but hope that Brohm did well enough to put him in as the starter and see what he can do. Pennington is nothing more than a temporary stop-gap measure. Why not at least try to move forward by giving the most promising guy we currently have (who may or may not be Brohm) a chance to develop?

I also don’t think we are as badly off at OT as everyone seems to believe. We have two guys in Bell and Meredith at the very beginnings of their NFL careers who have a great deal of potential, and another — Ramsey — who looked like he might be ok as depth. I do agree that adding a vet like Hicks or Pashos would be smart, as well as a rookie from the draft (but not necessarily from the first round).

My top priority would be NT and OLB for the simple reason that we don’t currently have ANYONE who can play either of those two critical positions in a 3-4 (perhaps Maybin, but he has never had to deal with coverage before and has looked pretty shaky against the run to date, which makes one wonder how he is going to do as an OLB). As I suggested on a Fanpost I would love to see us trade for Red Bryant, a young DT about to enter his third year with Seattle who we could probably get for almost nothing. Shaun Rogers is a real possibility, given the fact that Detroit is very likely to end up with either Suh or McCoy in the draft, but he is getting older and comes with a lot of troubling issues. That’s why I think the Bills need to have their sights fixed on someone like Dan Williams or Cam Thomas, along with a really good rush LB like Kindle or Weatherspoon, etc. For me NT and OLB should be #1 and #2, with OT #3 and QB much further down the list.

by Macktruck on Feb 22, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

All of that suggests that finding a quarterback isn’t the most critical part of the re-build, though; you seem to imply that the QB is the final piece to the puzzle. It may work out that it’s the last piece we add, but that doesn’t make it any less important.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that’s what I’m saying. It is obviously a critical piece in the long run, but not something we should focus on this year. If there were better prospects available in the draft or FA I would be singing a different song, but there aren’t. Also, it’s possible (though not probable) that we could already have the answer on the roster in Brohm, so why not use this year to explore that possibility while we rebuild our defensive front seven and o-line?

by Macktruck on Feb 22, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I can get behind the “there aren’t many good prospects this year.” Really, I can, though there are still about 4 guys I’d take long, long looks at. This argument? It does less than nothing for me. It does negative for me.

Also, it’s possible (though not probable) that we could already have the answer on the roster in Brohm

That’s not even close to being a good reason to skip QB this year.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess......

It’ll be up to Chix to see if they believe in Brohm.

I don’t see the point in drafting a QB if Brohm is the Project of the Future. I mean I think a Stop Gap or Franchise Face is needed this year but do we really want 2 Projects if we draft a QB this year?

Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way, but if we draft a QB and dont say good bye to one before the Camp do we really need 4 guys going for 3 positions when only two of them will be moderately big investments(Fitz and the Draftee)?

I say pick 3 you want and go for it. I say leave Fitz out, keep Brohm and (ugh) Edwards and draft your Franchise QB or Keep Fitz, get a Stop gap and Keep Brohm and wait for next year to draft the QB. Keeping Fitz is good as a back up for a stop gap. Otherwise IMO Fitz just gets in the way of the Drafted QB on the Depth Chart.

A little all over the place with this but the QB area is the most up in the air position and is the most hard to fill with quality.

by MikeEverett08 on Feb 22, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The tape will tell

It’s all going to depend on what Nix and Gailey think after they have looked closely at the tape. If THEY like what they see in Brohm (or Fitz or Edwards, for that matter) they may very well stick with the status quo. If they are as unhappy with all three as most Bills fans seem to be, they will probably try to bring someone in. My guess at this point is that they opt for the status quo unless some really good option becomes available to them (perhaps Jarrett Brown or Skelton in the draft?). Whatever happens, I tend to trust their judgment.

by Macktruck on Feb 22, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more.

I couldn’t explain it near as well either. Neither QB on our roster can be solely responsible for any loss last season. You can say that neither actually took advantage of situations to win a game either. This is what I like about them. They didn’t run the ball 10 – 15 times a game even when they could have. They led the team under the strict guidlines layed down by Dick Jaroun and interm OC AVP. I would be more than willing to go with the status Quo if that is the decision that Nix and Gailey arrive at. Ryan Fitzpatrick showed me something last year that I hadn’t seen in awhile and even though it was a small glimpse of what is needed it is very noteworthy. He was benched for Edwards in that one game and returned the next series. His Teammates as himself rallied the offense to perform at a level he was unable to do up to that point in the game and the games prior. He has never been pushed to be the guy before, never. Many here wouldn’t mind giving Trent another chance, I wouldn’t waste another offseason or training camp on Trent Edwards. Brian Brohm is just young enough to push Fitzpatrick to be what we all wanted last season but didn’t. I’ll support which ever direction Gailey goes, but I wouldn’t waste a valuable pick in this years draft, especially when we know what the worst case scenerio is going to give us. Brian Brohm is going to have to really look terrible for us to grab one of this years QB’s Early in this years draft.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Feb 22, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That was my impression as well about Fitz. He performed very well under extremely tough conditions. Could Pennington have done any better given the lack of protection and the fact that the Bills were sending only two receivers out into routes (which made them very easy to cover)? I doubt it. How good are our three current QB’s? Nix and Gailey have very good eyes for evaluating that. Let’s see what they do. I do wonder about Jarrett Brown and John Skelton, though. They both seem like intriguing prospects who should be available in the middle rounds. But again the focus should be on the future, not what happens this coming year.

by Macktruck on Feb 23, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

He has never been pushed to be the guy before,

not sure I agree with this statement, he got his chance in Cincy when Palmer was out of commission and he had great weapons and protection and fell short. He is a decent backup but that’s all he is.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I would argue the great protection point

But I won’t, he had great weapons at WR but not protection and not at RB. Plus for two years prior to this he was going nowhere, just like Brohm, in a system that may have not been to his level of ability. Crap, I just made an arguement

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by VanScottM on Feb 23, 2010 4:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I would be fine with the status quo if we fix our trenches properly.

Let’s not kid ourselves, we will be picking in the top 12 next year so we have the opportunity to draft either locker or mallet. I am anxious to see if Gailey sees something in Edwards, if he thinks that he can do something with him.

2010 is the year where we fix the line and become a top 5 running team and define ourselves as a smash-mouth football team, so I am fine with holding off on the franchise QB until 2011, while making real sure Edwards or Brohm is not that guy in the process.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

and another — Ramsey — who looked like he might be ok as depth.

Based on the one play he was in and got called for a false start on the goal line???

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Love it - rec'd

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by Ghetts on Feb 22, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt, I could be wrong but I believe he started the game against the Colts at LT (the Bills were that desperate) and did not allow a sack or draw a penalty. Granted, that was against the Colts’ second-stringers, but it was not a bad performance for his first game ever in the NFL.

by Macktruck on Feb 22, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

My mistake. There were so many people rotating in and out at both tackle positions last year I’ve lost track of who was playing when. But I’m pretty sure he played most of one game and did fine.

by Macktruck on Feb 22, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

in a rare event

I find nothing wrong with this ranking. This is perfect. And by perfect I mean exactly how I would have ranked it (yea, yea I know that sounds arrogant).

I love that WR is last and I love the explanation for it. This team does need a veteran and I would love TO back but in the even that it doesn’t happen, Hardy getting his chance in his third year with Stevie is a much less frightening prospect than the scenario if we don’t address needs at the other positions on the list – especially if Shawn Nelson is allowed to run more routes. Many teams over the years have fielded much worse 2 and 3 receivers only to find diamonds. Hardy was highly touted and deserves a chance and after all the fan chanting for Stevie J, I’d suspect a lot of you feel he has earned some time on the field as well to see what he can do. Both were highly productive college receivers and I like their odds to succeed or at least grow while a QB does.

Despite my willingness to consider a Meredith and Bell tackle duo, tackle remains number 2 on the list because the scenario if they fail is much worse. Considering how young we are at tackle, my vote for how to address the need is to bring in reliable vets like Artis Hicks or Tony Pashos as Brian noted and give Meredith and Bell the extra year they need to develop. As fifth and seventh round picks they were obviously drafted under the belief they were prospects who could be developed into NFL caliber talent given time and proper coaching. Chan Gailey is a great offensive coach. With so many needs bringing in two vets and a mid round tackle pick to compliment them could be ideal. Not saying, I won’t be happy if we do address LT at pick 9, just saying I think there might be other ways to go about doing it.

Nose tackle is scary and almost passes LT on the needs list for the fact that it is so hard to find one and Kyle Williams failing at the position leaves us no options if we can’t find anybody. Macktruck suggested Red Bryant of the Seahawks the other day and its thinking like that which we need if we are going to fix this problem. Simply because of the lack of big bodies, Mt . Cody in round 2 sounds very appealing to me. At the very worst, hes an enormous man that can’t be pushed back off the line who will suffice until we find a real NT. At the very best, he does what he has always done in college and dominant the trenches through sheer force.

Good write up, Brian.

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by poz on Feb 22, 2010 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

oh and so yea, I'm recing this article.

Its the kind that could stay up for a while for some good discussions.

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by poz on Feb 22, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

ya but the editor and staff articles don’t stay in the fanshots section even when rec’d over the amount.

why’s that Brian? just don’t want to cluster up the fanshots with staff articles?

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

huh, really?

I guess I never noticed. I just assumed the editor articles were never good enough to get reced that much :) hahah

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by poz on Feb 22, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Simply put, they’re not FanPosts or FanShots. They’re Stories.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It… uh, gets rec’d.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is another way of me saying “pretty much nothing.” Or my self-esteem rises.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

RB

Why are some of you guys (Brian) hoping to trade Marshawn, I don´t get it, the guy is a pro bowl rb, he´ s young and with a decent O line he can be great. He´s had 1 bad season and you wanna get rid of him, I just don´t get it, the guy is a huge part on rebuilding this franchise.

A speedy RB wouldn´t hurt but that doesn´t mean we have to let Lynch go.

by rick p on Feb 22, 2010 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

I agree to an extent with you...

But if he does go? Then a faster back to compliment Jackson would be a good idea, hence the reason I mentioned Best – who IMO is the most exciting player @ his position in the draft.

by Kill_Bill on Feb 22, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

When have I ever said that I hoped the Bills would trade Marshawn?!

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He´s had 1 bad season and you wanna get rid of him

I don’t even see it as that – he really never had his chance last year. Jackson took the majority of the reps and the reps that Lynch did take were here and there so he never really got to get into a “groove”.

however – for the “trade marshawn camp” i see 2 reasons

1) he’s one more screw up from being suspended for an entire season

2) some would say, and I somewhat agree, that RB’s are easier to find than most positions. you don’t pay RBs and can seemingling find quality ones later on in the draft.

Since this team needs so much talent – he is a good player that could net good compensation so we could acquire more important pieces to the puzzle that we call a roster.

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

2) some would say, and I somewhat agree, that RB’s are easier to find than most positions. you don’t pay RBs and can seemingling find quality ones later on in the draft.

If this is true, do you think that we will get good compensation for a RB who is one strike away from being suspended for a year? Lynch has skill, even if it didn’t show on the field last year, but with an anemic passing offense again next year (we all know it will be), I see Lynch as more valuable to us using a running game based offense.

by SamD8n on Feb 22, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

this is true, do you think that we will get good compensation for a RB who is one strike away from being suspended for a year?

as long as “man” is running teams – someones stupid enough to pick up a player they think will make their team leap.

Donte Stallworth just got back into the league – I think someone is dumb enough to give us a 3rd

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Donte Stallworth just got back into the league – I think someone is dumb enough to give us a 3rd

I agree that teams are stupid enough to pick up players with bad reps and close to suspension, but I dont think that they will trade for a player like that. In a best case scenario, we could get a second round pick for him, but i dont think that teams would be wiling to part with one this year in a draft with a lot of talent in rounds 2-4, along with the additional burden of taking on Lynch’s 1st round salary in exchange for a second round picks salary in a market where most teams (even the cowboys) are taking a fiscally restrained approach before a possible lockout.

by SamD8n on Feb 22, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point. Stallworth’s contract is for 900k and none of it is guaranteed. Very low risk for the Ravens.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

only reason i brought up stallworth is because someone was dumb enough to take him on their team. same with Ray Lewis, Mike Vick – guys I wouldn’t touch because a) I don’t beleive them that they are sorry or didn’t do it and b) i’m not divine (to err is human, to forgive is divine) (and yes, I do forgive – but dog fighting and manslaughter are 2 things that piss me off)

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree. We need to build a team with good character (especially in Buffalo where there is not a lot to distract players from getting in trouble), and I don’t believe that Lynch is in the long term plans for this team, but I do see him in our immediate plans. That being said, RB is our offense’s only strength at the moment and therefore believe that Gailey will tailor the offense to be a run based offense. To trade a starting quality running back for a 3rd round pick seems like it would be counterproductive at this point. Maybe next year, when our line is a little better and we have more pieces to our offense, Lynch could become expendable, but with the roster in its current state i don’t think he is. I think that Lynch will probably play out his rookie contract, or get hot again and sign a relatively cheap extension. If he gets suspended, then we cut our loses and move on (and Cincinnati sign him lol)

by SamD8n on Feb 22, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I followed both cases...

and with Vick, it was pure arrogance that got him caught… In Lewis case, I don’t think a more incompetent DA exists outside of Atl….

by Cinga on Feb 22, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

to me Vick is like Tiger – arrogance got them caught. neither truly care because they did it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

if they cared – it would have been a one and done type of deal. but, as an animal lover, Vick can go f himself

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say both learned their lesson

And honestly I don’t see vick as a risk at all (off the football field, on is another story). And as an animal lover and owner, I would love him on this team!

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oh........

heh

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm

It can happen – I seem to remember the Titans giving us a 3rd for Travis Henry – who then missed time from Suspension. Obviously the Titans dont need RB now, but just saying it CAN happen.

That said, it’s certainly a “best case scenario” and not overly likely to happen.

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by Will G on Feb 22, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

someones dumb enough – question is – will Nix dangle him out there?

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It can happen, there are a lot of dumb people out there (Al Davis)

but that is not my point. I guess what I’m trying to say is from my point of view, Lynch is more valuable to the Bill as a second RB or splitting carries with Jackson than the third round pick we could get in compensation this year. Down the road, who knows, but i foresee a power running offense this year with a weak passing game making Lynch one of the more valuable players on the roster.

Say we do trade Lynch, what happens if Jackson gets hurt next year? Who do we have for reserve depth? Bruce Hall, our practice squad RB is in Denver next year, and there are only RB’s with way too many miles on them in FA.

by SamD8n on Feb 22, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess it takes me a while to articulate these things lol

by SamD8n on Feb 22, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

to me – I guess I don’t really care.

we need about 15 players regardless – what’s one more or one less?

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by J2 on Feb 22, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

Although I undersand the sentiment, what a terrible idea. Don’t open holes on a team that has so many willingly. At least not in my opinion. Marshawn should stay, he’s a good back and because of last year should have an extra year on those legs! Plus I own his jersey, no trading a guy I own the jersey to!

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 22, 2010 6:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My head found that brick wall again….and again…and again…and again…….

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by sireric on Feb 22, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

so should we feel bad for your head.......or the wall :-)

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I love when Marshawn is consistently called a Pro Bowl RB

He’s a Pro Bowl RB in the same way David Garrard is a Pro Bowl QB.

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by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Not exactly

Afc went through like 4-5 qb’s before they had to settle on garrard, marshawn was I think the first sub for an rb that year. But yea I get what your saying…

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 22, 2010 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

On a couple of articles you´ve already assumed that he´s gonna be trated and you´ve never mentioned or written he shouldn´t go.

If I´m wrong I apoligize, but do you??

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No. I do not wish Marshawn Lynch to be traded. Just open to the possibility.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Too bad there’s not a Mike Ditka out there willing to give up his entire draft to get Marshawn…

And with the 9th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select...Hey, Buddy, you can't select a high school senior!!!

by Blitz on Feb 22, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

With below average Qbs you need great Rbs to even have a slim chance to compete. And with Lynch and Jackson who both of them have already proved they can be very good, I´ll rather not take a chance with someone else, unless we get a 1st rounder wich we all know we won´t.

by rick p on Feb 22, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

…..and again….and again…..and again…..

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by sireric on Feb 22, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the thing...

To me, there’s no question that you absolutely have to address LT with our first round pick. I would be optimally pleased if we were somehow able to trade down with someone that has their eye on a possibly fallen QB, McClain, or a Dez Bryant type available at 9. If we can get into the mid teens we should still be able to get a franchise LT such as Williams, Campbell, or ideally Bulaga (pipe dream at this point). If we can pick up an extra pick or two in the first 4 rounds we can go a long way to satisfying all sorts of needs with impactful players. Obviously, Brian has done a swell job of mapping out potential trade partners, or lack thereof, but it literally only takes one player and one team to find a match.

To me, we would be better served to look QB in the 3rd round. If we took Tebow in the 2nd, I would be satisfied, but I think there’s little chance of him falling to the 3rd round. We need to get our LT and NT as early as possible in this draft.

by live6453 on Feb 22, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Obviously, Brian has done a swell job of mapping out potential trade partners, or lack thereof, but it literally only takes one player and one team to find a match.

That was Ron, actually. :-)

by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

To me, there’s no question that you absolutely have to address LT with our first round pick.

….and again…and again…and again…..

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by sireric on Feb 22, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

while absolutely may be a bit strong....I would put it at about 90%

One of the top 5 players would have to fall to us to even consider otherwise. Suh, McCoy, Bradford, Clausen, Berry. Can you honestly say you would consider anyone else at #9 that was not a LT?

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

McClain?

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

you can make an arguement for him, but I am not sure I would buy it at #9.

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

you know who Im starting to like more and more.......

Derrick Morgan from GA Tech…..not a flashy player…….but he’s extremely solid.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

As a ga tech watcher

He dissappears in big games. The bowl game, acc champ, and uga game come to mind. He’s a solid potential, but his dissappearing act worries me. Same with dunlap.

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 22, 2010 6:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

he didnt disappear......

its not like teams are gonna actively go to his side though………especially if they want to win…..

Like I said, he’s not gonna be a flashy guy and get 12 sacks a year…..he’s just a consistant performer…..put some talent around him where he doesnt have to be the man and he might be okay…….

He’s solid…….probably not worth the number 9 pick…….but….I’ve seen a few mocks that have him in the top 15 even top 10. So he’s not too far off

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

its possible too that Clemson (particularly) planned to go away from Morgan

especially after his 10 tackle 3 sack game the first time they played…..

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 22, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Clausen is a top 5 player?

News to me. Clausen could go anywhere from 1-25 and I think it could fit, but I wouldn’t say he’s a top 5 player.

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 22, 2010 6:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree. It’s certainly not a lock, but I think it looks extremely likely that OT will be our first round pick.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 22, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem if it is, it is the idea that OT HAS TO BE 100% NO DOUBT!!!! the pick that is driving me nuts.

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by sireric on Feb 22, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

After last year, it has to be.......

anything other than a OT would be a diservice to any qb we have. Last year we passed up on the best OT in the draft, and I think that could have possibly made a drastic difference to our season. Now if we could sign Pashos, then I would be extremely happy.

Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!

by UtahBillsFan on Feb 22, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Say there’s a run on OTs and three come off the board in the top 8. We should pick the fourth-best OT instead of the top QB prospect who is, at worst, the second-best QB in the draft?

by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly my point Matt. Thank you.

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by sireric on Feb 23, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure, can't wait for the results of that....

of course if can sign Pashos, then I wouldn’t mind.

Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!

by UtahBillsFan on Feb 23, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so. Only if Okung, Bulaga or Davis are still there otherwise i’d go with McClain (i think) as BPA

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Our first round pick has to be on the Offensive side of the ball.
People LT or QB is top priority, so McClain fans let it go, we need to adress the offense first.

by rick p on Feb 22, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

In reality

Your absolutely right, however it doesn’t stop us from dreaming…. Ahhh different scenarios don’t you just love em!

by Kill_Bill on Feb 22, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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