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When it comes to QBs, I always assume McShay is wrong :-)
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
I dont mind McShay
I cant stand his better half though
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I dont really like McShay at all.......
Im a Kiper guy personally.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 23, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't mind McShay
I don’t believe a word he says, but I don’t find him irritating. He serves his purpose as ESPN’s yin to Kiper’s yang.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
More like Bevis to Kiper's Butthead...or Kiper's Dumb to McShay's Dumber :-)
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
That's funny
he irritates the heck out of me. I thought he came right in and started attacking Kiper, who paved the way for people like him, meaning an interest in the scouting aspect of the draft. But both are wrong, A LOT.
That’s officially the last time I want anyone here talking about Kiper’s yang! Children might be reading this!
by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 23, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
re Skelton
from our Seahawks counterpart:
About halfway down the comments, Patton starts talking about Skelton. This is from about 3/4 down.
" (Patton:) People will say Flacco due to a small school. But Big Ben is a better comparison. He’s mobile in the pocket, steps up, feels pressure. At the East-West game he apparently ran the 2 minute drill really well, and was a great student of the game. However, I would say he reminds me of Tom Brandstater with more zip and better awareness. Is that enough? Who knows, but as a project QB, I really like him."
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I went to Fordham
The football program is a complete joke, nobody goes to the games and they had one small stretch over the last decade where they were decent, but have basically sucked since going D-1 in the 90s including a couple 0 win seasons. The only reason the program is still there is because the whole Mara family goes to Fordham. I believe they lose $4 million annually. Its honestly like glorified high school football, no way is Skelton the answer.
Just a sotroy – when I was a Junior there they won a game after a long stretch of losses and came out to the bars wearing pre-made shirts that said “RESPECT” on them…can you imagine?
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The thing I was saying all last year about the Bills offense, is what is their identity? And they never had one, and that’s why they didn’t do well
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He did indeed!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Thats what I thought, just wasnt 100% sure. IDK if he even made the regular season roster, might have been a training camp QB?
Alex Smith was the perfect example to use for that story too. That was a good read.
At the bottom too, regarding Leinart, I wonder who the teammate was that called him a “soft player” lol
"Hey ey ey ey"
I doubt he cares
I wonder who the teammate was that called him a "soft player"
Unless it was the head cheerleader ;-)
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
He was 3rd string for a while.....
even got some playing time in that debacle of a 3-13 season………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 23, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Travis Brown
Ended up in a golf 4some with him a few years back at a Bill’s event—very friendly guy but least competitive, laid back athlete I can imagine—no mystery he was a lifetime backup—the antithesis of a Jim Kelly type.
Yeah, that's where he "backed up Drew Bledsoe."
His Wikipedia page is hilarious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_Brown_%28quarterback%29 Looks normal until you realize that he never started a game in Buffalo and that he “couldn’t overcome” the Dolphins in a 34-7 game nor could beat the Patriots who prevailed 31-0 despite Brown throwing for 119 yards.
by twoeightnine on Feb 23, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
well since we have Gailey as the HC for the forseeable future....if they find a guy they like they do have the time to develop him as they see fit....
so thats a plus.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 23, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions
Did you just make a positive point about Chan Gailey?!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
obviously Gailey isnt gonna be fired after one or even two seasons.....
so yeah he’s gonna get to try and work his magic with whomever he chooses as his QB 1.
That is the only plus……..(because in the article they talk about San Fran having to switch OC every year – the Bills will not have to worry about that part)
So if thats a positive point about Chan Gailey…..then yeah….I made one :-)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 23, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
A few weird discrepencies in that....
Aside from arm strength, much of that has to do with the fact that both played in the Patriot League, which is not a major Division I conference.
"Joe kind of paved the way for guys in our league," Skelton said after a two-hour workout at Brett Fischer Sports Physical Therapy in Phoenix.
Wait, both Cole and Skelton don’t know that Delaware isn’t in the Patriot League?? They’re in the Colonial, and were in the A-10 before that. That’s weird.
Former NFL quarterback Travis Brown(notes), who spent six years as a backup to the likes of Peyton Manning, Drew Bledsoe(notes), Donovan McNabb and Matt Hasselbeck(notes)
Whoa, whoa, whoa….No mention of Alex Van Pelt and Rob Johnson, who he backed up in 2001??!?!?!?!
According to two people, Gerhart’s medical report is likely to feature a number of lingering injuries from his hard-running college days. It likely will be enough to drop Gerhart out of the first round.
First round for Gerhart? Besides norcali, who actually thought he was a first rounder? I don’t think I’ve seen him earlier than the 3rd in any mocks I’ve read. With that said, if those injuries cause him to plummet come draft day, he could be a real steal for someone.
One teammate recently gave Leinart little chance to become a successful player or even a good leader. "A complete [soft guy]," one Cardinals player said. Ouch.
Haha, that makes me laugh.
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I actually never though Gerhart was a first round guy.....
he’s mid 2nd round materal at the earliest……..and a steal anytime in the 3rd IMO.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 23, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic
due to your homerism there…:)
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
oh lol......
well yeah my homerism will have him number 1 overall….haha.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 23, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
lol.......
your boy doesnt really rank too high on many mocks I’ve seen…..Gerhart will definitely go before him
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 23, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think Skelton meant 1-AA/FCS/Not for the $$$ when he said "league."
Not Patriot/Colonial. That’s how most D-1AA guys talk. Basically how Freddy repped D-III.
by twoeightnine on Feb 23, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I didn’t find the article that great. Is it a shock that a QB with stability and good players around him will do better?
by Pistol on Feb 23, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
rec’d.
I think its that way with 99% of the players out there. Is tom brady tom brady if he comes up with the bills? Probably not.
But does alex smith turn out like aaron rodgers if he sits behind favre for three years? A pretty decent chance, i’d think.
by quantumuprising on Feb 23, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Tom Brady came in with little high-end talent around him. So yes, one might argue that Tom Brady finds “similar” success as a Buffalo Bill. The Bills have skill-position talent. They simply need better talent directing those players.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 24, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
No, it’s not a shock. That’s not the point.
Trent Edwards has had three coordinators in three years. Don’t you see the pattern?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
drafted by a defensive coach
no offensive “master plan”
little to no weapons around him
no Oline protection
no run blocking – so not much of a running game
not only did he have three coordinators in 3 years, they were all bottom dwelling coordinators, no system & very predictable
I guess I see the pattern!
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
little to no weapons around him
First round WR, first round RB, HOF WR… drafted three tight ends while Edwards was here.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Lets see:
Trent gets drafted by a team with no offensive direction, then they completely dismantle their Oline and get such superstars as Fowler & Preston. Sure Marshawn was drafted but he never got the chance to actually run behind a line that could block for him. We got rid of Eric Molds and replaced him by who? Peerless Price?
Trent gets thrown in in his first year and creates a QB controversy on the spot. Oh and I forgot, they also brought in that superstar TE by the name Robert Royal.
Then Price gets replaced by that track star Josh Reed that drops everything. We spent 75M on two bad linemen who didn’t improve the run game in any way.
So yeah, maybe in the third and final year of this little story they decided to bring in another top notch receiver but they also decided to trade away the best lineman, and fire the OC 1 week before the start of the season. They also decided to put all their eggs in the “no huddle” basket, which didn’t turn out very well as we all know. And to add insult to injury, that top notch receiver (who I think is way overated and has lost a step) started to throw Trent under the bus as soon as they replaced him by Fitzy.
The whole point here was that Trent did not get the best of opportunities so far in his career and maybe giving him another chance under an offensive minded coach that is known for his work with QBs might not be a bad investment.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
rec'd
that’s about as concise and accurate an assessment as anyone could write! The Bills have (hopefully had) a knack for destroying QBs.
It’s like bashing your high performance car for poor performance while it’s on blocks with no gas, no battery, and no transmission. Fix a few things that make the car hum and you might have something.
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Rec'd Awesome point.......
I could not agree more.
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by UtahBillsFan on Feb 23, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wait a sec. If the Bills hadn’t released Moulds Trent Edwards would have been better? His last season in Buffalo was 2005. He never had more than 57 catches again and was out of the league three years later. Man those guys were morons for letting Moulds go. then you blast Peerless Price who had a thousand-catch season for the Bills once upon a time? Man it must be tough to satisfy you.
Trent Edwards was drafted to be a backup to JP Losman, not lead the Bills to the promised land, at least no initially. Yeah they had Melvin Fowler at center but they also had the Pro Bowl LT Jason Peters, high-priced free agents in Dockery and Walker, and a solid pro in Brad Butler. You can fault the Bills for their decisions on DOckery and Walker but don’t you dare try and say they didn’t try addressing the OL problem.
Regardless of your personal beliefs the Bills spent a lot of free agent money on the OL well before Trent Edwards was even on the Bills draft board. They drafted a first round WR and brought a 100-reception receiver back in the form of Peerless Price before bringing in T.O. You call Josh Reed a guy that drops everything which was true early in his career but hardly accurate as of late. They drafted a first round RB. Drafted three TEs in Trent’s tenure and even replaced that crappy center with a solid Geoff Hangartner while drafting two stud interior linemen.
Yeah Trent had three OCs in three years and that stinks. Yeah it hindered his development as it would anybody’s. But don’t say the Bills didn’t give Edwards an opportunity to be successful.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Matt, you challenged the statement
little to no weapons around him
But now your argument is that the Bills tried to give him a supporting cast. I certainly cannot argue with you that OBD tried to address the OL issues and tried to bring in TEs but they fell way short in the talent department, hence my comment. The point was that Edwards did not get the proper chances to succeed and it makes sense to give him one more shot (if he earns it) at the starting job, under the tutelage of an offensive-minded QB-friendly coach.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
The point was that Edwards did not get the proper chances to succeed
And that’s the point I’m arguing. I think he had lots of chance to succeed.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I guess you and I have very different opinions about what quality players are.
Edwards did not get the proper chances with quality players and a consistent offensive strategy. The OC changed every year, horrible OLINES, mediocre TEs. Did OBD try, yes they did. Did it work, not it did not.
Edwards deserves the chance to compete for the job under Gailey, the rest is up to him.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
The OC changed every year,
Yes, but as the linked article states, it wasn’t a completely new system each time. Each time they replaced the OC he was promoted. First Schonert and then AVP.
I wouldn’t exactly call Peters, Dockery, Butler, and Walker a “horrible” OL.
I agree Edwards should compete for a job but he isn’t without blame.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
You realize that not one of those guys will start for the Bills this year?
Peters was traded because he sucked (even if it was do to his attitude) Dockery and Walker cut for sucking, Butler was good when not injured….and what about DukeFowlSuck? Hang is an improvement, but that is not saying much.
While Edwards is not blameless, the Oline was made up of a$$clowns before Edwards got ruined.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
Injuries
Are depth on O/L was “weighted and measured” and found very lacking, No one knows what would’ve happened if not for all the injuries to O/L. But we found out are back-ups were terrible. I think this FO will try to solidify this problem thru the draft. And hope the injured return well again. Sometimes no ones to blame, The previous draft picks took care of middle of line, hopefully Wood returns. So a few O/L picks in this draft and we might run outa excuses for both Trent & Lynch..
by buffalobacker on Feb 24, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
We were not talking about depth
Dockery, Walker, Preston, and Fowler, were all starters over the years. Many thought Hang would be a stud. The blame rests with those who made the decisions to sign/draft them. Let’s hope they have all been fired. The only thing saving Trent and Lynch are the massive holes we have at other positions which must be addressed immediately, and even that may not be enough to save them this season.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
You realize that not one of those guys will start for the Bills this year?
Yes but keysh’s argument was about the past not the present.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yes....and in the past, our O-line was made up of a$$clowns
which is a big part of the reason they are gone and Edwards got ruined.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
I thought the OL did a pretty decent job of protecting Edwards until this year. That said, I also had some hope that Edwards would grow into a good QB until this year.
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You can fault the Bills for their decisions on DOckery and Walker but don’t you dare try and say they didn’t try addressing the OL problem.
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We’ve had this discussion before. They attempted to fix the line just picked the wrong guys to do it with.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
exactly, and the line was sh#$ !!
Not exactly the best opportunity for a young QB and young RB. Even Marion Barber would have failed behind those pitiful lines and I am certain that even the top QBs would have had horrible results behind those putrid lines.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
i don’t think all of edwards’ problems can be blamed on having different coordinators. I’m not sure all the physical and mental tools are there either.
by quantumuprising on Feb 23, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
You can say the same thing about 99% of the quarterbacks in the league, though. Bottom line is Edwards was never in an adequate support system. Same goes for Losman, Johnson, etc. etc. etc. etc.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve mentioned a few times that there’s four QBs in this draft class who you think can be quality NFL starters. I’m curious as to who they are, or is that being saved for an article?
Crazy weird screen name. I can name the first 3: Jimmy, Sam, and Tim. And it’s not Lefevour. I am guessing either Jevan Snead, Skelton, or Colt McCoy. Or Zac Robinson, or Sean Canfield, or Tony Pike, or Jonathan Crompton, or Jarrett Brown. ;-)
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My guess is Rusty Smith
Not really though
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Rusty has the name
to fit the new regime, for sure. He had a nice 2007 season. Was he hurt his senior season?
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I bet it's
Jevan Snead. Here is the thing with this guy. Did he have a bad year? Yes. Did he probably come out a year too early? Yes. Has his stock dropped from the begining of the year till now probably 3 rounds? Yes. Here is the thing, he lost his starting LT, #1 WR, starting guard, and I think a coach. That is a big loss for one year.
by The Irishman on Feb 23, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
Kinda sounds like Bill’s season is commensurate with Sneads last yr. No LT etc…
by buffalobacker on Feb 23, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Give the proper tools in the first 2 rounds this year and next year and he may be ready to start year 2. He has all of the physical tools to be a good QB in Buffalo with his arm strength and skill set. He needs a year or two of nfl coaching. Sign Pennington to start this year and act as another coach, then 2011 if he is ready, Snead takes over.
by The Irishman on Feb 23, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Brian, this is why i’m not ready for the organization to give up on Edwards. He might still produce what we all saw glimpses of early on.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 24, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Any idea where John Skelton will fall to? 5th Round?
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Depends on how he works out
A guy like him needs the combine and his Pro Day more than other QB’s. It’s tough to base his potential on his game film against Patriot League teams for a school that football isn’t exactly a priority at. He needs to be seen in NFL type situations, even if it’s just throwing at the Combine or working out in front of scouts. They need to know more about his mental acuity as well.
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Right now he’s later than 5th, but he looks to be on the rise at the right time (for him.) You will find 7th round and UFA projections.
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around the 6th or later........
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 23, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve seen other people say Skelton is going to move up to the second round. He’s all over the place. He does seem like a QB the Bills should consider if he is available in the middle rounds. Another one in that same category who might be even better is Jarrett Brown.
No way Skelton goes in round 2, I would bet McShay's reputation on it :-)
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
I’m not saying he will go in round two, but I have seen speculation that with his size, arm strength, and the general lack of depth in the QB pool this year he could end up much higher than people expect. My own guess is that if he does well at the combine Skelton will be picked in round four or possibly even round three.
Given the lack of top talent throwing at the combine, Skelton will certainly have a chance to get people's attention and boost his stock
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
This article bodes well for us
With Chan calling plays, if we were to take a QB this year he would likely have the same Coordinator for at least 3 years.
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