Bills need to add centerpiece players
The Buffalo Bills aren't devoid of talent. They won six games in 2009 while giving several good teams a run for their money. The Bills beat both teams that faced off in the AFC Championship game, the Jets and Colts (albeit against the AFC Champion's backups). They also hung with the Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints for 50 minutes, and almost upset the New England Patriots opening night.
The Bills aren't missing talent; they're missing top end talent. They're missing the face of their franchise. They're missing centerpiece players.
When discussing centerpiece players, it's important to clearly define what that type of player represents. We're talking about players that great teams are built around. They are not always the most talented player their squad (though they can be), but they have the skill, youth, and leadership ability to take over a huddle and a locker room now and in the future. Oh, and offensive linemen, while important, need not apply.
Yesterday, GM Buddy Nix spoke for the first time on the Bills' QB position in 2010, saying the team's first priority "is to make one (a quarterback) out of the three we've got." If we're to take Nix at his word, the Bills are looking to plug a player from the previous failed regime in at the team's foremost position.
In recent drafts, several teams have added centerpiece quarterbacks to build around, hopefully for the long term. The Lions, Falcons, Ravens, Buccaneers, and Jets have all placed their eggs in the basket of a first-round QB. The Falcons, Ravens, and Jets have all been rewarded with playoff appearances, and seem primed for future success as they get to add pieces around their new signal-callers. The Lions and Buccaneers, while not yet making the playoffs, know that adding the necessary pieces will take time, but they have a face of the franchise and a guy they can build around.
The other skill position player on Buffalo's offense don't fit the mold, either. Fred Jackson is a very good player, but is 29 years old and never been a starter for a full year. Marshawn Lynch may have been a candidate at one point, but derailed it with varying degrees of mischief. At wide receiver, Lee Evans never stepped into that superstar role, and Terrell Owens is a 36-year-old unrestricted free agent.
ESPN's Tim Graham mentioned the importance and relative difficulty in finding a true nose tackle, which he dubs the "keystone" of the 3-4 defense. Nix also spoke of this position as passable with a player from the old regime, suggesting Kyle Williams, a player I love as a 4-3 DT, saying, "He's a playmaker. He'll make plays at nose for us." As a player, Williams is solid, but a centerpiece he is not. You can say the same thing about every young player in the Bills' defensive front seven, unless you want to reserve judgment on Aaron Maybin for the time being.
Ask yourself: who is the Bills' defensive centerpiece? Who is the guy the Bills' defense is going to be built around? The answer many will surely come up with is Jairus Byrd, whose injury-plagued rookie season ended with a league-leading nine interceptions. If he's going to be the centerpiece of the defense, he needs to improve his play against the run. Paul Posluszny and Leodis McKelvin may also get mention in the comments section. Posluszny is like Williams, a solid player but not a centerpiece. McKelvin has nine career starts and hasn't exactly been a shutdown corner.
The lack of great playmaking talent on the Buffalo Bills' roster is alarming, but the addition of a centerpiece goes deeper than that. Assuming the Bills don't re-sign Owens, the team doesn't have a player that represents them to the community and the rest of the NFL. Trent Edwards was that guy for a brief while following the team's hot start in 2008. He appeared on national media outlets and was listed on early-season MVP watches, but fell further than the U.S. housing market in 2009.
The Bills players seen in television and radio ads around Buffalo and Rochester are few and far between. Marcus Stroud, Chris Kelsay, Rian Lindell, and Brian Moorman all have their names attached to products locally, but lack the youth - and in one case, the talent - for the team to build around long term. Last year, the Bills wisely banked on their 50th Anniversary celebration as their main marketing tactic. This year, the Bills are going to bank on hope and change once again, no doubt, with a new GM and head coach in place. But the NFL is about the players. Specifically, the NFL is about the very best players.
Centerpiece players can be found at virtually every skill position. Adrian Peterson, Antonio Gates, and Larry Fitzgerald all fit into this category. On defense, Patrick Willis, Darrelle Revis, Troy Polamalu, and Mario Williams make the case. Regardless of what position the Bills' new centerpiece plays, they need one. The last guy the Bills successfully built around as a centerpiece may have been Jim Kelly.
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Yesterday, GM Buddy Nix spoke for the first time on the Bills’ QB position in 2010, saying the team’s first priority “is to make one (a quarterback) out of the three we’ve got.”
Ugh.
"It took twenty five years to get there, and they did it in championship style" - Van Miller 1/20/91.
Yeah, pretty dreadful. Nix also said that he’d add a QB if it were best for the team, so I’d consider all that QB talk to be Nix just dodging the question.
I also heard a soundbite recently where Nix said that Schobel was a better fit in the 3-4 and that getting him moving around and rushing him from a stand up position is what suits him best. And I can’t imagine that’s true, or even what Nix believes, so I’d take everything he says about the roster with a grain of salt. Or at least put it in the perspective of Nix being unable to say anything bad about guys on the roster this early in the offseason.
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Yesterday, GM Buddy Nix spoke for the first time on the Bills’ QB position in 2010, saying the team’s first priority "is to make one (a quarterback) out of the three we’ve got."
Did you expect him to come out with, “we’re drafting the best QB left to us at 9”… Or, “we plan to trade back into the first, and take Skelton”….
All these comments right now, especially during these combine pressers, are nothing but posturing… And Chix knows the game….
by Cinga on Feb 26, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m thinking that this comes more from him being unimpressed by this year’s QB class. I mean he can’t possibly see Trent or Ryan as a long term option.
I’m more taking this as a “Wait a year, we’ll get our guy then.”
The more I see, the les I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you right...
cause I’m not on board with either Bradford or Clausen…. I’d rather a flyer later on a McCoy, Snead, Skelton, or even Tebow and see what develops this year, knowing there are some darn good options next year…
Not that I think Tebow, or McCoy in particular are going to fall very far btw, and think at least one of them will make it into the end of the first…. But the way things seem to be turning around for both of them, I’d have a hard time passing if they are there in the second…. (big change for a “no to Tebow” guy, huh???..:-) and wouldn’t pass in the third….
you think Colt McCoy might make the first round?
wow.
"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
There had better a darn good reason that McCoy sneaks in the first round....
as in everyone at the bottom of the first round goes crazy and takes 5 or 6 other QB’s in front of a team that wants a QB to groom.
"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
By all accounts...
he’s healthy again, and if he shows it, all the luv he was getting before is sure to return…. JMHO….
I dunno man.....
Even with “all the luv” I always thought he was round 3 guy at the earliest.
But…..who knows.
"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I've been hoping he
lasted till the third, but doubt it anymore… I think very early 2nd at the latest…. 1st pick in second if Rams take Suh over Bradford….
Is there something about McCoy that you know that I dont?
if so please enlighten me.
"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I dont see McCoy going before the 4th...
He screams “TIM COUCH!” to me.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 26, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Couch isnt even a good comparison...
McCoy is short with a weak arm…….Im thinking a better comparison is Joe Hamilton.
"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I read this and laughed and then got a little defensive...
“I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre.”
What the hell, right? He has good write-ups on all the coaches interviewed until the Gailey interview. It just seemed he has a bias towards Gailey. I really dont care that the rest of the world thinks Gaiey was a poor, I like EVERYTHING Nix has done so far, and Gailey’s staff looks like a college coaching staff with a lot of NFL experience. I think the young players will really step it up this year because of the Gailey’s history with teaching young men how to play this man’s game.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 26, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Type Much?
thinks Gaiey was a poor → thinks Gailey was a poor hire
Gailey’s history with teaching young men how to play this man’s game
Just to clarify, I was referring to his smash-mouth style of play
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 26, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Pike was lighter than expected at weigh in
which will increase concerns about his durability. Nobody wants to draft the next Rob Johnson.
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that can be fixed
he was injured for a while, lost some weight
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I agree......but I don't think he is going to slide into the 1st round
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I am not sure anymore
The switch to the 3-4 has me thinking we have greater needs. If Chix think he can be a franchise QB, then yes. If they think he is just another QB, then take a chance on someone like Skelton and roll with EdFitzBro this year. Next year’s QBs look deeper and we might be looking at a top 5 pick if we can’t protect the QB or run the ball.
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Bite your tongue!!!!
this is optimism season Joe… Don’t knock me down already, or I’ll go into hibernation till 2011…
Heck, before reading your post, I was thinking undefeated year, and Super Bowl!!!
Now????
Don’t think I’ll make it through training camp…..
Thanx….:-(
Sorry old friend
I take it all back. Put a hundo on the Bills and make your SB reservations now :-)
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was not injured too much in college
just senior year and came back
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Smokescreen up early
I don’t believe a single thing that any NFL GM or Head Coach says about their team’s plan for the draft from about the 1st of January to the night after the 7th round is over.
I sense that Buffalo will go QB somewhere rounds 1-3. Especially with how Clausen and Bradford measured in today, and how much better Tebow’s release looks.
Well
To me it points to the possibility that there gonna upgrade key positions, then and only then add the QB. What’s wrong with that?
by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
And take the year...
to see what Chan can do with Edwards/Brohm…. I mean, if he could get something out of Thigpen or Reggie Ball, and some of the others he’s coached???
Add a couple OT's
Maybe if Trent wasn’t scared for his life all the time he wouldn’t checkdown as often and become a solid QB. His completion percentage was good and he has the ability, he just gets his ass kicked due to a lack of protection.
I’m not sure I’d say “offensive linemen need not apply,” Matt. I’ll agree that rarely do these guys develop into your marketing cornerstones, but that shouldn’t dilute their importance. Guys like Kevin Mawae, Jonathan Ogden and Will Shields have been franchise cornerstone players and guys that are tremendous leaders. I get the sentiment, just not the “need not apply.”
And the old adage “football games are won in the trenches” exists because it’s true. Cliches exist because they’re true. So if they add a centerpiece OR a quality trench player, I’ll be happy. If they add a centerpiece AND a trench player in one guy, all the better.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bill Parcells made Jake Long the centerpiece of that offense when he took him first overall. I know they had Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams and drafted a QB in the 2nd, but Long, the OL and a power running game became the face of the offense. The QB is always going to be what people think of first with an offense, but a lineman can be a centerpiece player for a team that is run heavy.
You could make the case that Jason Peters was the centerpiece guy in Buffalo too. When he made his first Pro Bowl on an offense that didn’t really have any other big names, I’d argue that he was the centerpiece of the offense.
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No Way
Peters was out for himself. Centerpieces don’t sit out all of preseason and the first game of the season. They do what’s best for the team, then what’s best for themselves.
Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!
So would you say Emmitt Smith wasn't a centerpiece?
Because he did worse than Peters….
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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2010 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Peters played (more like held out) of that role, but there was a time when he was the centerpiece of the team. When Peters was playing like one of the best offensive lineman in football in 2007, he was the centerpiece of the offense. Peters managed to destroy all that by holding out and then playing far below his talent level in 2008, but he’s still an example of how an offensive lineman can be a centerpiece of a roster.
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I agree totally. Bill Parcells didn’t put too much premium on QB’s, but always built from the inside out (meaning start with your O and D lines. if difficult to judge a QB’s talent laying on his backside. People talk about “he has no confidence”, “he can’t throw the deep ball”, “he makes bad decisions”, well if I was running for my life from tackles or have no time to throw or make read is not the QB’s fault. It’s the line!
Jason Peters could of been and should of been the centerpiece but what do they do…trade him. Don’t wanna pay him. If I was GM I would put more money especially in the offense line.
For the record....
Peters final year with the Bills….
13 games/13 starts
8 total penalties
4 false starts
2 holding
the biggie…..11 1/2 SACKS allowed
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How did Bell do as a replacement????
8 games/8 starts…
8 penalties
6 false starts
0 holding calls
5 sacks allowed…..
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Bell was actually having a better first year at LT for the Bills, than Peters did his last year with us… Peters DID NOT want to be here…. Good riddance….
I said they were important. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you Brian that linemen are as important as other players, and many games are won in the trenches. However, I must agree with MRW on the definition of a centerpiece player and that the Bills are in desperate need of one.
While linemen set the tone for a game and are often as important to victory as a centerpiece player, they almost never make game-changing plays. When I think of a game-changer or centerpiece, I think of guys like Ray Lewis, Larry Fitzgerald, Troy Polamalu, Peyton Manning, or Darelle Revis. These are guys who play well all game, but you can count on them to make big plays when the game is in its final minutes. The lack of these type of players is really what took us out of all the game we lost in the 4th quarter. Too often did I find myself rooting for Jairus Byrd to make a drive-stopping play, as I felt that he was the only player with the ability to do so on a consistent basis. And at no point on offense did I feel like we had a go-to player to get us points.
As for the linemen you mentioned, I think it’s more important to have a cohesive unit than to have a marquee player on the line. A dominant tackle is more easily taken out of the game than a dominant qb, rb or safety.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Feb 26, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah you understand what I was trying to say. I’m not saying linemen aren’t important, they just usually aren’t a disruptive force in the grand scheme of things.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Makes me think that there isnt anyone that the team is thrilled with in 2010 in the draft.
I cant say I disagree…….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions
I wish Buddy Nix was posturing when he was talking bout who he wanted for his HC.....
but alas…….
I tend to think he’s not with this either.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
this is so true… they’ve tried and hoped that certain players would fit that role (Poz, Lynch, Edwards) and they have, at least in the offseason hops of a fanbase looking for any brightspots, but they have fallin’ short (in the win department most especially) and we are still looking. To me, they almost certainly have to be players from the draft, not players who have aready made their names elsewhere. The latter could work, and has for other teams, but we have gotten some bad luck. Ralp must have broken a house of mirrors or something
Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
Ralp must have broken a house of mirrors or something
It happened about 15 yrs ago… He was walking under a ladder, dropped his lucky rabbit foot, and slipped on a banana peel when he leaned over to pick it up…. You can find the story at…..
yeah....all that happend the day after he fired Bill Polian
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by Joe P. on Feb 26, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But he fired him....
because it was Bill who threw the banana peel on the floor!!!!
by Cinga on Feb 26, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Patience, patience
If Nix means what he says about going with one of the existing QB’s in 2010 (and it remains to be seen if that’s what the Bills do), that doesn’t mean that they won’t go for the high-profile franchise QB that Matt is calling for in the 2011 draft. There would be nothing wrong with using 2010 to build up the roster (and especially solidify the o-line), THEN bring in your start signal-caller the following season when there are likely going to be much better choices available.
by Macktruck on Feb 26, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
BINGO
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
The time is now.Lets stop being cheapskates and go get some real talent whatever it takes.Sometimes you have to wonder what these people are thinking and if they are in touch with reality.Hopefully its like a game of poker and they have a good hand but are not revealing it.
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by TexasBuffalonian on Feb 26, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions
I’m curious as to what you’re suggesting by this comment:
Lets stop being cheapskates and go get some real talent whatever it takes.
There’s not going to be a glut of UFAs.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
The best teams aren’t the one’s who win free agency…its the ones that win the draft.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 27, 2010 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
Secondary is about it!
Bills need to address offensive line “Big time” and also need depth at linebacker, as well as the defensive line – They could not stop the run, could not put pressure on the Q.B., and their offensive line was a joke! So, safe to say we have a solid secondary and that is about it! Need more receiver’s, a QB, running back position is fine if Lynch keeps his head on straight.
The Bills most certainly are missing talent
In addition to not having centerpieces anywhere, they need a hearty upgrade of talent. Teams that have a significant amount of talent don’t star Keith Ellison, Derek Schoman, Chris Kelsay and play guys like Reggie Corner. Having no depth also indicates this team lacked necessary talent.
An entire roster makeover is necessary with overall talent and depth concerns being of great importance. It all starts with finding higher end talent, but that trickles down to the rest of the rostern as well.
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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2010 2:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts on that are you get your guys in there that are adequate then replace them with high talent guys. That way your adequate guys go to being better than adequate depth and you solve both your depth and starters issues by getting one guy while also bolstering depth.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’m on that page as well
Hello - thanks for reading my signature. It's very interesting. Bye
by J2 on Feb 26, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve pretty much resigned myself to suffer through 2-3 years of rebuilding. I don’t imagine many players on last year’s team will be here in another 3 years.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Feb 26, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Matt, you forgot someone on your list...
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Have I missed that one? What is it for?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
posturing or not
given the status of the team’s personnel at present, it is more sound and prudent to keep and use draft picks to build from than to trade away for someone else’s discard(s).
Clearly, next year’s QBs are stronger than ‘09s. From all accounts, ’10 will be a throw away as far as playoffs, div. champs, etc. so let’s get some foundation built and go for a franchisae guy next year.
Using one of the current three makes the most sense. It’s broadly unpopular, but, I know someone said, “this ain’t no popularity contest”.
"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
ooops
’11 QB class stronger than ’10s
"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
Smoke screen
Nix is sly like a southern fox…..
Nix knows how to make moohshine and grits while telling you everything about any football team in the SEC.
If he has a willing team that will trade up for the no# 9 spot and give up a extra pick or picks he will pull the trigger…
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He has to get more picks
Nix has to trade down with either our first or second pick, He has a lot of holes to fill and can’t miss any if he wants to be competitive. Some wrote it earlier tonight… what did you expect him to say? Hypothetical Nix news conference. “Fellas, I’m here to announce that we worked out a deal with Seattle trading our number 9 pick for their 14th and 40th. They think Dez Bryant will be available at 9 and want to get him before Denver does. Just don’t air this report in Denver ok?”
Great article.
this is exactly the problem. We have all the role players, we just don’t have the superstars. My only niggle
Posluszny is like Williams, a solid player but not a centerpiece.
Kyle Williams is wayy better than Paul Posluszny. Williams is a very, very good player who could start on a great team. Four guys who were Williams caliber would be a good defensive line. Poz isn’t terrible, but you can’t say the same thing about poz. Having 3 of him at LB would stink.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
We all know your feelings about Poz. I’m saying both guys can be pieces to a good to great team but you probably don’t want to build an entire defense around them.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Just curious....
Posluszny is like Williams, a solid player but not a centerpiece.
So you’ve been all in a huff about the switch to the 3-4 mostly because of these two guys, yet you don’t even consider them centerpieces to a team? How can you be so upset about the move to the 3-4 because of them then? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. I could totally understand your stance if we’re talking about Pro Bowl studs and centerpieces like Derrick Brooks and Warren Sapp. I can understand being against the switch but so vehemently opposed to it is where I will continue to remain puzzled.
Ah well….
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Because they’re all we’ve got (depending on Maybin) in the front 7. And I think you could make the argument that Williams is fairly close to being a centerpiece in a one gap scheme. Or if Buffalo had switched to a more traditional 4-3 and put a two gap NT next to Williams, even if it was just Stroud, I think he’s a really good player.
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Important pieces aren’t centerpieces. The Bills need a superstar on defense and neither of them are that caliber. But now instead of having two solid guys and some older vets you could build around, they have one guy who may be suited for the 3-4 in Maybin and another in Spencer Johnson. My problem always was that the Bills have virtual zip to play the 3-4 defense but a few starters and a bunch of quality role players.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Tim Tebow = Centerpiece
Grab him in the 2nd, he is a winner and will do whatever it takes. Id rather have a guy that wants to be great then some guy who is said to have top talent but lacks the desire. Tebow’s throwing motion has changed and it didn’t take long. Its not going to be hard for this guy to change and fit into the NFL simple because is an exceptional athlete and we will be sorry if we don’t take him, just like we are sorry about so many guys we missed over the last 10 years. Trust me, any idiot can learn how to take a snap from center and learn 3 and 5 step drops. Tebow is not an idiot and has the desire. After his pro day ill bet he goes first round but if hes there in the 2nd round, that should be our pick. 9th is Rolando Mcclain. He is a centerpiece that you can build a Defense around. Its a no brainer and hopefully Nix see thats.
I believe he has the highest ceiling tho, it may take a year or two but doesn’t it usually take rookies a year or two anyway? Of course there are alway exceptions but we are going to be waiting at least two years until we will “MAYBE” have our quarterback, and thats a “BIG” maybe. Any QB at this point is a project. Most just don’t step in and dominate.
Oh God… can of worms.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
we could save space
if the pro Tebow’s and the pro-Gailey’s were the same camp. Kind of “condensed can of worms”. Like the Gailey threads, there has to be at least 15 on the Tebow subject!
it’s MONUMENTALLY FRUSTRATING to sort through hundreds of pissing-match comments like this type of discussion is turning into.
Here’s your comment from yesterday on the Gailey “can O worms”. I saved you the trouble of repeating yourself.
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There's got to be a penalty for these rumblers
that want to here/see themselfves argue a point that statistically they are on the wrong side of. Then agree in two years that we all write and say you are right and I am wrong. Personally I would send them to their room, but the fact is they never left their room
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
I have been on the Marshawn should be traded bandwagon for quite some time, even before the season ended in fact. If he stays on the team, stays out of trouble and has two great years for the Bills, I will happily eat crow and a write a fanpost saying how much I love it’s gamy flavor.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
As I would if we selected Tim Teebow
and he actually turned into something other than what we allready have. I am just not going to beat my point to death. State your opinion, support it, defend it, but realize that the only thing left is to create a comment section that is littered with your opinon as if nobody else’s opinion is worthy. IMO it tends to draw from the classy atmosphere that the staff and the majority of rumblers enjoy the most.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
What if your pro Gailey and anti Tebow
Don’t label me…………..aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

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