"Doesn't your paper ask you to blog these days?" I ask one writer who seems particularly disgusted...

I hope you told him politely to go touch himself in a vulgar manner Brian!!!!!

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions

oh I mean Peter*

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions

Thank you for not commenting on Bean’s words about Chan Gailey. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions

I just came back to do that!!!!!

LOL.

Guess I wont now.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions

Ha, I was kidding!

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions

its okay I changed my sig.......

that should suffice :-)

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions

I'll bite on Bean's words about Gailey Brian

Well amusing and lighthearted (yes i can take a joke about the bills), i just wish there was more substance to his analysis of Gailey. Bean was in the perfect situation to give valuable insight about how Gailey is both similar and different from some of accomplished NFL coaches and GM’s around the league, something that we have a hard time doing covering the Bills at best locally and through other sources. Even if that information is something as small (or important according to Bean) as how Gailey handles the media, That information allows us to better understand our new coach that we are just getting used to. He has an opportunity very few bloggers get, and IMO he should use that time to its fullest advantage. It disappointed me that he took the time to write about Gailey, but only to use that time to joke about the Bills being mediocre.

I know its not really about football, but on target for this post.

by SamD8n on Feb 26, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions

I completely agree. I, too, can take a joke, and I can also read criticism. I just wish I knew why he had such a strong opinion on Gailey, since, you know, Bean covers Texas, not Georgia Tech.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions

Comments on Gailey were unnecessary

If Gailey can bring the Bills UP to mediocrity, he should be given T.O.’s key to the city. A jump up to mediocrity will hopefully remove the “laughingstock” label the Bills seem to have among sports fans. With good reason too I might add. Hopefully the Chix “team” will be at least competetive in the years to come.

by JTM1023 on Feb 26, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions

win totals the last 8 years says the team was already mediocre

6, 7, 7, 7, 5, 9, 6, 8

not sure what you meant by this.

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions

The comments were not unnecessary

Your missing my point. I could care less if he takes shots at the Bills. Quite frankly he is absolutely right about the mediocrity that has been pervasive both in Gailey’s past and with the last decade of Bills football. My point is that he is in a pretty unique spot for a blogger, having access to these type of direct interactions with NFL decision makers, yet hes writing nothing of substance about Gailey. I wouldn’t care if he slammed the Bills, as long as he tells me something informative and insightful about the interview with Gailey.

by SamD8n on Feb 26, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions

You can’t blame a guy for being angry about his industry’s demise or for the fact that he is being asked to do a lot more than he used to have to do. You can blame the reporter for blaming bloggers directly. The reporter should be mad at his publisher for asking him to do more work and for not monetizing the internet properly.

by Bill Frank on Feb 26, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions

The reporter should be mad at his publisher for asking him to do more work and for not monetizing the internet properly.

Totally agree with this. If newspapers and magazines want to survive then they are going to need to adapt. Maybe even charge a minimal fee for online using of their work. Although i think that that could be desasterous. All you need is a group of guys that pay for the memberships, copyépaste the article and put them on their own site. Plus they could make profit from the advertising on the site.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions

But that’s copyright infringement and they could sue the pants off you.

All you need is a group of guys that pay for the memberships, copyépaste the article and put them on their own site.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions

Still doesn’t stop it from happening right now does it?

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions

I mean I never said that they would do it legally, did I?

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions

No, you didn’t. But personally I wouldn’t copy and paste that material. I would link to it and say “this guy has stuff to say about such and such” but not provide a direct quote. Today on the links there’s an ESPN Insider article that I link to but don’t directly quote it.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions

True enough. My point is that the newspaper/magazine industry is dying because there are so many ways to go around it and get the material for free online, whether it be by legal means or otherwise.

I mean neither you nor I would ever do what I suggested above, but other ppl would. The simple proof lies i the fact that those types of websights already exist.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

I think alot of the old-school writers feel that the best way to get information is through fact-checking and doing research the old way. I believe they see bloggers as stream-of-conscious writers, more akin to short story creative writing wizards.

It really shouldn’t be too much of a jump for them to move from what they know to what they don’t know they know…but it is.

As a writer, I only find a degree of distaste for twitter (and differently, texting). That’s because outside of sports tidbits, I find its purpose to be silly and contributing to the decline in kids’ writing skills.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions

Enough of that...

this guy needs to stick it to people in law, and stay out of reporting/blogging….

JMO

by Cinga on Feb 26, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions

any reason you have in particular?

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions

See your new sig....

;-)

by Cinga on Feb 26, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions

touche'

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions

Meaningless

It’s meaningless drivel by Bean, I could care less about his opinion. Hell, never even heard of him. Talk’in trash about Gailey shows great professionalism.

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions

talking trash?

He didnt say anything about Gailey that wasnt true…….

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions

Seems like someone is a little bitter that Bloggers like Brian put up better, more in depth work with a higher frequancy than him.

Guess what bucco, the world of journalism has changed. Bloggers are here to stay, and in many cases provide a better body of work then the traditional guys. Newspapers and magazines are going bankrupt, blogging is the wave of the future, adapt or get out of the way!

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions

Only True

That would mean that it’s a fact that the Bill’s under Gailey will be Mediocre. I took it to be a slight at Gailey, hence talk’in trash. At least he could’ve had the balls to not bite his tongue and ask his sarcastic question. Rather than talk about what he wanted to say, he hides behind his computer, real class ! Gailey’s past maybe considered mediocre, but does’nt mean it will be more of the same. give the guy a chance Geez…

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 1:35 PM EST reply actions

The guy has had two chances to be head coach........

how many chances does he need?

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions

Three?

LOL

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions

actually 4.......

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions

O.K.?

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions

and he's been consistantly mediocre.......

its not that much of a stretch.

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions

yeah

Hence the cheap shot, real classy..

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions

I dont see how its a cheap shot......

but of course I dont like the guy…….

and you dont hate the guy….

There in lies the difference.

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions

Like/ Dislike

Hell I don’t know the guy ! But he’s what they hired and I’m gonna wait till he proves you right before I decide if he’s gonna be my BFF/ or poster boy of Mediocrity. Damn I hate trying to spell that word.

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions

thats all well and good.........you do that.

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions

Gee

Thanks, was really hoping you’d approve!

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions

Can I expect a 10,000-word dissertation on the glorious coaching capabilities of Chan Gailey if he takes the Bills to the playoffs in, say, two years? :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions

Sure.......

if I can expect tons of praise thrown to mine and StroudFanClub’s way if he doesnt do perform said feet……

I’d be more than willing to say Im wrong if thats the case and praise all the wonderfulness of Chan Gailey….

If others are willing to finally call a spade a spade……if it comes down to that.

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions

Great! In the meantime, does there have to be battle lines? We all want the same thing, correct?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions

We do....but why should my differing opinion on the guy constantly be questions by those who dont agree?

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions

Question?

I did’nt ask you a question to my knowledge.

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions

no but you disagreed with my assessment of the Blogger not talking trash.

You say it was talking trash…..

I said it was speaking the truth based on previous experience.

Thus this is where the discussion went.

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions

So

I’ll end with I hope gailey proves all detractors wrong, and leave it at that. It’s really all good.

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions

I hope he proves me wrong too.

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions

Now I understand blogging is just the authors opinion of things. But instead of saying what he did about Gailey he could have written about what he actually said in his interview. Maybe that’s why the mainstream media guys don’t like him they give facts while he uses such a good opportunity to tell us his personal feelings about Gailey.

by Robot Nixon on Feb 26, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions

I mean if people are willing to forgive Chan Gailey for his performance in the past....

people should be all for giving Roscoe Parrish another chance to be our KR and a WR on the team?

Or Reggie Corner?

Or any other number of mediocre players on the teams roster.

Why is okay to ignore the past of Gailey, but not the past of (insert favorite player to bash because of mediocrity ) here?

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

He appplied

They,OBD hired him, what’s he suppose to be forgiven about? yeah that was a question.

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions

Ugh. I can’t believe I’m getting into this.

I haven’t seen anything prevalent in which people are forgetting anything about Gailey. It’s more about the spirit of “wait and see” than anything – and that’s the only logical stance to take here, whether you loved, hated or were completely neutral about the hiring.

I just fail to understand why, time and again, this has to devolve into a pissing match. There are two different approaches to “waiting and seeing.” No one’s really ever disagreeing, and it’s MONUMENTALLY FRUSTRATING to sort through hundreds of pissing-match comments like this type of discussion is turning into.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Well this is where you and I differ......

you see it as a pissing match,

I see it as a discussion.

(shrug)

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions

agreed

I think were testing his patience. Like I said I hope Gailey succeeds.

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions

LOL. Not testing my patience, because this time, I voluntarily entered the fray this time. But this is probably the… 15th?… different thread where this type of discussion has occurred, and in most of those cases it’s been strangely and irritatingly heated. It just gets repetitive. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions

I would say if people started slinging names and insults thats when it gets to heated....

IMO.

But I just look at like two people who have strong different opinons….

Well its more like me….against whoever wants it talk about it that day.

Thus the repetitive factor.

One day you’ll admire my persistance!!!!!

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

But this is probably the… 15th?… different thread where this type of discussion has occurred

haha LOL – well 15 – I said 10. either way – we’ve been over this plenty enough. WE GET IT – some don’t like him – some like him. regardless – we have to live with him. let’s move on folks!!!!!!!!

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by J2 on Feb 26, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions

Well, if the multiple Chan Gailey discussions are getting old to some

then the “anytime a writer says something negative about a Bills player or coach than automatically we bash him and say he doesn’t know anything” is getting REALLY old…..

These writers have opinions. And it’s not that radical to figure out that the Bills haven’t been good in awhile and they may make some bad decisions…..crazy, I know. But that doesn’t mean the writer that points this out is “out to get us” or stupid.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 27, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions

I agree. I have no problem with Bean’s opinion. I just want to know WHY he has the opinion, because like I said elsewhere, he covers Texas.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions

Understood

I’m done…

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions

MONUMENTALLY FRUSTRATING to sort through hundreds of pissing-match comments like this type of discussion is turning into.

ya especially since it’s like the 10th time i’ve read this same discussion

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by J2 on Feb 26, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions

From this point on, NorCal officially speaks for me when it comes to Chan Gailey...

because I agree.

Also, I just gave NorCal the right to pull the plug on me if I am ever in a comma.

My wife will just have to accept NorCal’s decision either way……haha!

by StroudFanClub on Feb 27, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions

likewise my friend.......

likewise :-)

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 28, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions

make that 5....

if you want to add the World League of American Football.

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions

Do I hear 6?

maybe his school grades could be included ?

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions

Ooops

post response to Norcal

by buffalobacker on Feb 26, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions

Oh no, poor newspaper guy

He might have to write more than 3 whole stories a week! Brian writes nearly that in a day, and its not the typical fluff garbage that you get in the papers.

This guy is living in the past, like most newspaper people unfortunately. I’ve heard stories about the newspaper guys in NYC back in the day. They’d write a story every day or two, then spend the rest of their days at a restaurant eating lunch and dinner, and finishing off a bottle of whiskey. That is tough to let go I guess, but things have changed and these older school guys need to adapt or move on.

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2010 1:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Not all news guys are like this

I’m on the web side of journalism myself, but after interning at a few papers and having many friends still work in print I can tell you that it is about 50/50. For one this newpaper guy has it easy. At many small papers reporterw write 3-4 stories a day. Mainly because the papers are so small that they can only have no more than a dozen reporters on staff. But things are changing. When I graduated J-School two years ago the programs were changing and all the students taking basic news classes had to include multimedia with every piece they do and keep a constant blog/twitter account going while doing it. Hopefully once more people with these skills come out and come into the work force more people will start seeing blogging as a true from of journalism as it should be.

by BuffaloBrewed on Feb 26, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions

Blogging is most definitely a solid form of writing. Twitter, I doubt i’ll ever agree.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions

Absolutely not. But then again, Twitter’s not meant for writing.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions

o rly?

"I have to bite my tongue not to ask how his wealth of experience with mediocrity is helping him prepare to make the Bills mediocre." - SB Nation's Peter Bean about Chan Gailey during the NFL Scouting Combine

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 26, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

haha

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions

Twitter is best used for releasing breaking news. It’s great for getting a lead to follow.

by BuffaloBrewed on Feb 26, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions

Or for following Olympics. For sports and news headlines, I get it. I just think it’s used PRIMARILY for all the wrong reasons. Until I see it take a turn in the other’s favor, i’m not going to sign up.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions

Like water

A writing professor I had in college said that good writing was like water…. it could take any form. A good writer for a newspaper will be a good writer on a blog, and vice versa.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 27, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions

Nice work if you can get it…

They’d write a story every day or two, then spend the rest of their days at a restaurant eating lunch and dinner, and finishing off a bottle of whiskey.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions

Why do you think so many newspaper guys despise new media?

They miss their good, old days…

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2010 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

That Guy

can suck my ballz.

by redbills on Feb 26, 2010 5:10 PM EST reply actions

You all saw who had the second comment on that article didn;t you

That’s the way I like to start my day’s. Seeing some douchetool taking cheap shot’s at the Bill’s.

by mob16151 on Feb 27, 2010 12:08 AM EST reply actions

McCloughan speaks and carries himself like a Football Lifer, which I offer neither a compliment nor criticism. Mostly, it helps understand…

I couldn’t diagram this sentience by Peter Bean! Why cap Football Lifer? Pretension?

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by Undee on Feb 27, 2010 5:05 AM EST reply actions

i think that commnet highlights the isssue of access

if bloggers have a consistent audience there needs to be a business model created to support them well enough to commit the time and resources to investigtaive jounalism (sports jounalism in this case) and developing contacts within the world there reporitng on … if not there is a have and have not class of reporting one being the news reporters with access and the other being the bloggers without access

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