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Report: Bills taking a look at Charlie Whitehurst

A throwaway paragraph at the bottom of the Buffalo Bills team report at USA Today indicates that the Bills are investigating San Diego Chargers backup quarterback Charlie Whitehurst as a possible restricted free agent signing. The report indicates that the Chargers are expected to put a third-round tender on Whitehurst, meaning that if the Chargers let him walk to another team, they'd receive a third-round pick as compensation.

Whitehurst, who will turn 28 in August, has spent the past four seasons as a reserve in San Diego, the team that drafted him in the third round of the 2006 NFL Draft. He's spent his entire career playing behind Philip Rivers and Billy Volek, and has not yet attempted a regular season NFL pass. He did rush for a touchdown in his rookie season.

Current Bills GM Buddy Nix was with San Diego as the team's Assistant GM when the Chargers drafted the 6'4", 220-pound prospect out of Clemson. Nix told reporters earlier this week that Buffalo's quarterback of choice may come from within the organization, but head coach Chan Gailey cautioned that the team would definitely be adding a quarterback in some capacity.

Conceivably, Buffalo would allow Whitehurst to compete for the starting job alongside internal candidates Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick and even Brian Brohm. It might take a significant offer to get Whitehurst out of San Diego, however, as Chargers GM A.J. Smith is known to stockpile heavily at the position. Whitehurst has also not yet been tendered, and the end compensation - whether it's a third-round pick or something else - will play a role in this evaluation as well.

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Can’t say I didn’t see this coming. Not sure I see it happening, either, but I think Whitehurst is definitely a guy worth looking into, at the very least.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

I second this motion.....

I agree Brian. This guy “could” be someone of interest and worth a shot. He has also been playing behind Rivers and Volek hopefully gaining much needed experience and knowledge. I believe he already has the tools but whether or not he has been able to put it together is something CHIX would have to figure out.

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by Hambone on Feb 27, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

how can you

so vehemently attack Jason Campbell and then call a guy who has never thrown a career pass someone of interest?

I’m honestly not trying to pick a fight, just curious Hambone.

For the record, I would be ok with bringing in Whitehurst for competition but I still prefer drafting a Bradford and trading up if necessary to do so.

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by poz on Feb 27, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Poz

I also was heavily against the Campbell trade idea because IMO I don’t think he can lead us into the playoffs. I think we have seen the max that he can do. (And if I’m wrong good for him.)

I have no opinion on Whitehurst, but question if any third stringer is worth a 3rd round pick.

by Moose68 on Feb 27, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

whats up Moose
I have no opinion on Whitehurst, but question if any third stringer is worth a 3rd round pick.

This is exactly how I feel too. I think its pretty insightful of how Bills fan look at their own players that some think trading Marshawn for a 3rd is a good idea but then we discuss how sending away a third for a guy who has never done anything may be a good idea. As far as I can see, which is obviously not that much as I’m not an insider, Brohm and Whitehurst have the same potential and Brohm has more experience…

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by poz on Feb 27, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Brohm vs. Whitehurst

I feel that Brohm has more potential than Whitehurst. I also like Brohm better because he’s younger but isn’t really a big deal.

by billsfan26 on Mar 1, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Try not to pull a deltoid while patting yourself on the back. :)

by jj24 on Feb 27, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesn’t happen often. (The being correct, not the pulled deltoid.)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha. Are we to assume you pull your deltoids frequently?

Where did you get the Whitehurst notion from, anyway? I’ve never even heard of the guy!

by jj24 on Feb 27, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

By looking at who the Chargers drafted while Nix was there. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

A 3rd?

Let’s pretend I never saw this. Now we can have 4 career back-up QB’s instead of 3.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

With all do respect...

Whitehurst was drafted in 2006 after the Chargers had their starting qb on their roster in Rivers whom they drafted in 2004. Whitehurst has never had a chance at a starting spot from the day he was drafted.

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by Hambone on Feb 27, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't mean the Bills should spend a 3rd rounder

on a 28 year old who’s never thrown a pass….

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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

We talk about those first 3 picks being worth so much to us. If we trade one away it better be on someone more proven – ie a proven GOOD player !!

A 3rd rounder – esp an early one like ours seems WAY TOO HIGH for Whitehurst

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by Will G on Feb 27, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not happening, or at least shouldn’t. Def not worth 3rd

Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Feb 27, 2010 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

a theme

of this regime has been “who they know”. Nix knows Whitehurst. From a value standpoint, is it more valuable to spend a 3rd round pick on someone who has been “studying” for 4 years in an NFL system or draft a rookie QB in the 3rd round who will need that same amount of time to get “up to speed”?
Whitehurst has both qualities going for him. He has the systemic knowledge and is known to the GM. Game experience aside, I think it’s a smart (and economical) move.
I said that way back when, in one of the future QB threads, and was literally called "crazy’. So, call me crazy, but, I think it has merit.

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by fansince60 on Feb 27, 2010 9:22 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

I just feel with the other needs that the team has, a 3rd round pick for a backup with no experience is a lot to give up. I would prefer to sign someone like Pennington, or trade a late pick for Vick. That 3rd round pick can bring us additional depth on either line.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

a valid point

but, Brady was a “backup” and an unknown quantity at one point, then when the chance arose, boom! (as Madden would say).

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by fansince60 on Feb 27, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Brady is not a good QB!!!

I am not exaggerating when I tell you that even I could do Brady’s job. Throw 30 touchdown passes to Randy Moss and Wes Welker, standing behind the most talented line in all of football… I could do that. Now I know I’m going to get tons of replies telling me I don’t know anything about football (or maybe not since we’re all Bills fans and hate Brady by default) but put Trent Edwards on that team and even he excels.

by MLZNW02 on Feb 27, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I.E.

Matt Cassel: filled in for Brady when he got got hurt, did great, got a big deal with a new team. Now he is showcasing his lack of talent on KC’s roster.

by MLZNW02 on Feb 27, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not gonna deny that better players around a QB make him better, but if you are suggesting that Matt Cassel is as good as Brady you’re nuts.

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by sireric on Feb 27, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I shouldn't justify this but he's in the top-5 of

The greatest QB’s ever, Killed it in 2 SB’s won 2 SB MVP’s, and had two game winning drives in the SB’s(throwing to David Patten, Givens, Troy Brown). Has 3 rings, could finsish with the most ever. Also threw 50 TD’s in a season. Trent isn’t a good QB and you couldn’t even accomplish what he has. Don’t let jelousy lead you to arrogance and being incompetent. You probably love Manning, the greatest QB untill he threw the worst pick-6 in SB history, Brady would never do that, he lost his SB on the defense.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Feb 27, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The same can be said for Tyler Thigpen.

Which Gailey has knowledge of and has playing time experience. This is all about the evaluation process of potential canidates. This is a must, looking at all possibilities. Nothing has been done yet except considering all the possibilites. Besides, if we go this route, who is to say that we won’t pick up an additional third round pick elsewhere, like trading down from #9. The new FO is working and doing exactly what they should be doing, we should appreciate that. When they pull the trigger we will have first hand knowledge in training camp and preseason to analyze thier decision.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Feb 27, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

a theme of this regime has been "who they know".

Like when the hired Chan Gailey or Whaley?

by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

A theme doesn't have to mean "the only theme"

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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Your crazy!!!!

JK….
But you make a good point with….

"who they know"

and I would expect this of them, on both the coaching, and player fronts.

by Cinga on Feb 27, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

well said!

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 28, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t you rather give up a 2nd for Mcnabb, than a 3rd for Whitehurst?

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

Not a chance....

You are saying not to give up a 3rd for Whitehurst because we have needs. Well, I would think the same for McNabb who is on the downward side of his career and giving up a 2nd for him wouldn’t make sense. I think there would be more value in getting a guy like Whitehurst who is 6 years younger and is healthy. Worth a shot? Yes. Will it come to fruition? doubtful

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by Hambone on Feb 27, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Correct, I would rather not give up any picks. But if we are going to trade a pick, I would rather bring in the Pro Bowl QB. That is my preference.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You seem to be in favor of Whitehurst…do you have any background on him? Maybe he could be a diamond in the rough, but I don’t know much about him.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Not if we are rebuilding.

Example: the Vikings, bringing in Farve immediately after signing Rosenfeld. They were closer to the big prize and stood a better chance getting it with Farve. We are in rebuild mode, it’s basically what we all asked for, look and evaluate for the long term. I love me some D. McNabb but he isn’t long term and possibly is not the answer to even get to the playoffs anytime soon.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Feb 27, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

But how long does the rebuilding need to take? The Dolphins went from last place to AFC East champs with Jake Long and Chad Pennington.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Who Know's !!!

Based on what we have been told, at least a couple years. Your giving Jake Long and Chad Pennington more credit than I would. They also introduced the wild cat to the NFL that season as well. Don’t misunderstand me, those two have improved their chances and I understand that but they are still aways away from elite company.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Feb 27, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Philly....

I think we could offer the Eagles, Edwards, Lynch, and a fruit basket. Allow them to draw a name of any of their three QB’s out of a hat, and be better off for it! I would rather see us draft an unproven 24 yr old that may have worth to another team in 4 years when they are the ones fishing, than than be on the other end of that same conversation now.

by Illinois Bills Fan on Mar 1, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

A 3rd is just to high

I’m fine with bring him in but a 3rd rd. Pick for a career backup seem expensive imo

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by Moe_frm_B_ on Feb 27, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

My feelings exactly. I have no problem bringing Whitehurst in. A third rounder is just too much, when we need new talent.

by Mr. h on Feb 27, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You are talking about a team that spends its first round picks on career backups......

a third would be a STEAL for this organization.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 28, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

—Pencil in the Bills as a potential landing spot for recently released Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson if the team decides to trade Marshawn Lynch. Former San Diego assistant GM Buddy Nix is very familiar with Tomlinson’s skills and could view him as the perfect complement to Fred Jackson.

I have a hard time seeing this.

And if Tomlinson looked washed up last year imagine how he’d look behind the Bills OL.

by Pistol on Feb 27, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

I would much prefer Darren Sproles.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

LT

Plus, didn’t he say his priority was to win a ring?

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by ChipShot on Feb 27, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

He’s is the extreme opposite of what we have at RB now, I would love Sporles.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Feb 27, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I seem to remember this situation several years ago, but I can’t remember who it was.

That is, the Bills have an unsettled at QB and they bring in a backup from another team to compete for the starting job (although he never did end up starting, except maybe in an emergency). And I seem to think it was when Marv was the GM.

Was this Travis Brown?

by Pistol on Feb 27, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

I’d give no more than a fifth or sixth round pick for Whitehurst, who’s more suited to be a backup QB than anything more. Supposedly his biggest issue is slow delivery and thereby lack of ability to read coverages effectively. He does, however, have a strong arm, but to me this had better be a rumor and nothing more, because if this regime wants all these bums to compete for the starting QB-job they’re destined to fail miserably.
Just trade next year’s first round pick for Kevin Kolb and roll the dice and let’s get the hell going with this rebuilding process.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 27, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, because I believe Kolb is a tremendously better QB than Whitehurst.

"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 27, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re going to regret not going for Kolb. People are still burned from RJ.

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by Dyl on Feb 27, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Kolb is more like Rob 2.0

One great game, and he’s wanted by everyone. Whitehurt would be a nice pick-up, for a 7th maybe 6th rounder, anything lower would be terrible.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Feb 27, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree. I have no doubt Kolb is a far better QB than Rob Johnson ever was, but we’ll see.

"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 27, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Matt Schaub 2.0. Just like drafting a QB in the first is boom or bust and just like acquiring a QB recovering from an injury (if there were any this year) could be Drew Brees 2.0 or Daunte Culpepper 2.0.

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by kaisertown on Feb 27, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, but NO

Whitehurst is not worth a 3rd, let alone anymore than that.

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by ChipShot on Feb 27, 2010 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

You guy's do understand where this 3rd round draft pick thing is coming from right?

He’s expected to be tendered as a 3rd rounder. That doesn’t mean the Bill’s can’t work out a deal for him where they pay significantly less to San diego once he sign’s his tender. IMO it would probably take a 5th rounder to get him off the Charger’s.

by mob16151 on Feb 27, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

The Chargers took him in the 3rd. Why would they let him go for less?

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by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Because he's done nothing so far yet in his pro career

And he’s there 3rd string QB. I can see if he was the backup…but he’s not.

by mob16151 on Feb 27, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see how this guy has more upside than Brohm?

Other than being a little older and being a 3rd stringer instead of on the PS. No way I give up a 3rd for him.

“Bio
The Chargers pride themselves on having one of the deepest rosters in the NFL, and they believe the quarterback position is a particularly strong one. Charlie Whitehurst, a third-round pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, enters his third professional season in 2008.

Charlie Whitehurst, a third-round pick in the 2006 NFL Draft, enters his fourth professional season in 2009. The Chargers pride themselves on having one of the deepest rosters in the NFL, and they believe the quarterback position is particularly strong with Whitehurst, starter Philip Rivers and fellow backup Billy Volek.

   While Whitehurst patiently waits for his opportunities, he plays an important role on gamedays. When the Chargers are on offense, he relays the plays from Head Coach Norv Turner to Philip Rivers through the communication system in Rivers’ helmet.

  An honor roll student throughout his college career at Clemson, Whitehurst earned his degree in marketing in December 2004, a full year before his eligibility expired. He left the Clemson, South Carolina campus as the Atlantic Coast Conference’s third all-time leading passer. One of the players who ranked ahead of him was Rivers, who spent his collegiate career at North Carolina State.

  Whitehurst’s dad, David, was also an NFL quarterback. He played for the Green Bay Packers from 1976-83. When the Chargers played at Lambeau Field in 2007, the Packers were hosting the team’s annual alumni weekend and the entire Whitehurst family made the trip to Northern Wisconsin to take part in the festivities and watch the Bolts.

  Charlie is not the only former Clemson Tiger in the family. His sister, Carrie also attended Clemson on an athletic scholarship and played forward on the Tigers women’s basketball team.

  TRANSACTION HISTORY: Third-round choice (81), April 29, 2006…signed four-year contract, July 25, 2006.

 2009:

  2008: INA Wks 1-16 and for AFC Playoffs.

  2007: INA Wks 1-16 and for AFC Playoffs.

  2006: Took over for Philip Rivers late in 4Q of Tennessee game Sept. 17 and scored first-career NFL TD on 14-yard run.

  COLLEGE: Second-team All-ACC as senior in 2005… finished career with 25 wins, second-most in school history…eight 4Q comeback wins…seven wins over top-25 teams tied school record…included three wins vs. top-10 teams…second QB in school history to beat two top-10 teams in same season…only QB in 103-game history of USC-Clemson series to post 4-0 record as starter…only QB in ACC history with multiple starts and winning record vs. Florida State…2-1 vs. Seminoles, including 16-point win in ’03 and 21-point Senior Day win in ’05…FSU was ranked No. 3 prior to ’03 meeting, giving Tigers win vs. highest ranked team in school history…led 4Q comeback win at Miami in ’04 to hand ‘Canes third loss in 176 games since ’85 when entering 4Q with lead…graduated with 46 school records, including career passing yardage, completions, TD passes, comp. percentage and 300-yard games…ESPN/Capital One POG in win over No. 6 ranked Tennessee at 2003 Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl… school-record 420 yards and four TDs in first-career start at Duke played at Clemson from 2001-05…redshirted in 2001…marketing degree.

  PERSONAL: Born in Green Bay, Wisconsin…highly decorated QB at Chattahoochee High School in Alpharetta, Georgia…lettered in baseball as OF and 1B." http://www.chargers.com/team/roster/Charlie-Whitehurst/cec5e200-529f-4481-b088-28b8e329d559

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by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Joe, I also fail to see how he offers more upside than Brohm.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft fans are absolutely bizarre

Buffalo needs a QB more than any other team in the league. How anyone could be resistant to giving up stinking 3rd round pick for a QB with a third round pedigree who has three seasons of NFL seasoning (time we don’t have to spend grooming him) is absolutely beyond me. Yeah, he’s unproven, but here’s a news flash: so are these names of players you never saw on a regular basis (if at all) in college that you obsessively fill into your mock drafts all winter longer. This would be a tremendous move on the part of the Bills if they could pull it off.

Nix continues to at least sniff around moves that have some sense of actual direction. It’s wildly refreshing after four years of Jauron’s tire spinning.

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by Port Royal on Feb 27, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Witehurst's original draft report for what it's worth

Whitehurst burst on to the college football scene early in his career with the Tigers. As a freshman in 2002, he threw for 1,554 yards, while completing 57.5% of his passes to go with 10 touchdowns to six picks. He turned that success into a monster sophomore season. On the year he threw for a career high 3,561 yards, 21 touchdowns to just 13 interceptions, while completing just under 62% of his passes. Whitehurst took two steps back as a junior, just having a terrible season across the board. He threw for just 2,067 yards, completed a career low 50.7% of his passes, and threw jus seven touchdowns to 17 interceptions. He redeemed himself a bit as a senior, throwing for 2,474 yards and completed a career high 67.2% of his passes, but had only 11 TD’s to 10 picks.

Charlie Whitehurst has all the physical talent to play quarterback in the NFL. He has ideal size for the position, has a very good arm, and is a better athlete than he is given credit for. He is also tough and can get his troops to rally around him. Whitehurst also started for three plus seasons in college, so he has a lot of game experience.

Talent and experience is not the problem, it is consistency. Whitehurst has just been to up and down throughout his career. Outside of his sophomore year, he never had any level of consistency to his game, and he underachieved during his time at Clemson. He also forces too many passes trying to make plays, and needs to be more disciplined on the field.

Whitehurst is an intriguing developmental prospect. He has the talent and has a ton of experience, but needs some coaching to refine his game. If someone is willing to take the time to teach him, they may have a second day steal on their hands. If Whitehurst shows the consistency and discipline on the field, he can be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

by mob16151 on Feb 27, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not about hoarding draft picks. It’s about possibly giving up said pick for a guy that might not be better then what we already have. If you are certain that Whitehurst is better then our current crop, then make the deal. If he isn’t, then why do it?

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by sireric on Feb 27, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you CERTAIN about any player you draft in the 3rd round either? Nix has a world more of information available on Whitehurst than he does on some rookie G from Florida A&M. Draft picks are an absolute gamble; an inexperienced veteran like Whitehurst is more like a hedged bet.

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by Port Royal on Feb 27, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude, I agree with you. I am just saying that if Whitehurst isn’t any better then what we currently have why do the deal. If you want to give up a 3rd rounder for a guy who isn’t better then Brian freaking Brohm or Trent Edwards then you are crazy. i would rather gamble on some guard from Florida A&M then trade the pick for a guy who can’t beat out Brian Brohm for a roster spot and gets cut in camp.

Whitehurst could be better then all of those guys on our roster. I don’t know that he is. If Nix and Gailey think he is and want to make that deal. great do it.

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by sireric on Feb 27, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Whitehurst is not proven—-So what—— What has Kolb done to prove that he is the answer to the Bills QB problem

by Bob on Feb 27, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Want bizarre and a QB with 1st round pedigree?

“QB X is a coach’s dream. He could’ve been the #1 pick last season before electing to return to college, so he’s definitely pro-ready. What he’s gained from being in a family of quarterbacks and by learning more under Bobby Petrino, QB X has developed into the top quarterback prospect in the 2008 class. Some think he is a product of a pass-happy offense, but check him out on tape and you’ll eat those words quickly.

QB X has all of the tools to be a franchise quarterback. He has the size and the big arm to go with it. More importantly, he knows how to use it. Whether it is to throw a bullet over the middle, a fade route to the corner, or the home run ball. He won’t scramble for twenty yards, but he can move well enough and can get you a rushing touchdown or two.

On top of his physical skills are his football knowledge and his headiness, so he makes few mistakes and he’s willing to learn and get better.

There is one knock on him. Durability may be a concern, as he had injury problems in 2005 and 2006, though he has rebounded from his injuries well.

Overall, despite the potential injury concerns, QB X’s makeup makes him a can’t miss prospect, because whoever drafts him won’t have him on the pine for long.

Update (11/28/07): Despite Louisville’s sub-par season, QB X has still persevered and had a big year (3,787 yards, 29 touchdowns), though he has had a few un-QB X-like games - including completing less than 50% of his passes and throwing three interceptions in a 55-17 loss to South Florida in the Cardinals’ last game. Some of his struggles, however, can be attributed to having to play from behind often.

There is one bright spot in this year for QB X – if he knows how to spin it the right way. He’s been used to winning his entire career and now he’s in unfamiliar territory, on a losing team. This kind of adversity can help prepare him for his first couple of seasons as an NFL quarterback.

He has remained healthy and he has kept his status as the top QB on the board, ahead of Andre’ Woodson and Matt Ryan. He’s already proved his worth and even though his choice to return for his senior season may not look as good now as it did at first, it won’t hurt him severely on draft day, as he’ll be off the board very, very quickly.

Update (12/27/07): QB X’s senior season ended without a bowl game, as the Cardinals finished 6-6 overall and 3-5 in the Big East.

But, he went out as best as he could (given the way the year went), as he led Louisville back from a 35-17 third-quarter deficit against Rutgers to a last-minute 41-38 victory in his final home game in the season finale on Nov. 29. He was 12 of 22 for 237 yards and one touchdown and ran for another, to finish the season with 4,024 yards and 30 touchdowns passing (with 12 INTs) and three rushing touchdowns. In his career, QB X threw for 10,775 yards and 71 touchdowns (24 INTs) and he also ran for nine scores.

Despite the way that things turned out and equaling his three-year interception numbers in one season, QB X stayed healthy and he (nor his team) ever gave up, as he led the Cardinals to last-minute wins over Rutgers and Pittsburgh and a second-half comeback win over Cincinnati (falling just short in several other games — four losses by a touchdown or less).

He came into his senior season as the top QB on the draft board, but with Matt and Andre’ Woodson having excellent seasons, both have inched past him in several draft rankings and mock drafts.

But, we could see three quarterbacks going in the top 10 in the draft and QB X will be one of them, whether it’s as the first, second, or third picked.

Update (2/26/08): QB X had one of the best days of the quarterbacks at the combine on Sunday and solidified his place as at least the #2 QB in the draft, while keeping himself in the running to be the first signal-caller taken in April.

QB X ran a solid 4.83 40 and was one of the top performers in a few other drills as well. In the throwing drills, he was extremely accurate, which was a plus considering that Chad Henne and Joe Flacco had their struggles in that department. " http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=1189

In case you haven’t guess, QB X is Brian Brohm and he is already on the roster. And guess who was a 3rd round QB who is also on the roster? Yep, Trent Edwards….so stop acting like this Whitehead guy is about to pop and we would be a fool not to give up a 3rd round pick for!!!

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by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Very good point!!!!

and had to rec…
Can’t help but agree with you Joe… Let’s take this year to shore up the team in a few other areas. And even more important, see what Chan can do with the QBs we have on board….
While I admittedly don’t like either Bradford or Clausen, I really did like that Brohm kid outa college, and hoped the Bills would grab him when GB initially cut him… In his defense, teams are usually pretty set with their roster, especially QB by final cuts which I think was how he made it to the practice squad to begin with…
Give it a year… Let’s see what we’ve got… DJ the QB career killer is gone….

by Cinga on Feb 27, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks...and I agree that we should wait a year. I would still take a late round QB project like Skelton in the 6-7th

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by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft people. I’ll never see it your way. Cheers.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Feb 28, 2010 3:55 AM EST up reply actions  

When then, just explain

why Whitehurst is a better prospect than Edwards or Brohm.

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by Joe P. on Feb 28, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Joe P.

Personally, I don’t think you can call Trent Edwards a prospect because he’s received enough playing time that we know what he is at this point. Brohm was cut a year into his career. He makes for an interesting, no-risk flyer for the Bills, but I don’t think you can count on him.

I’m not contending that Whitehurst is a definitive answer at QB for the Bills. I AM saying that the outrage to notion of trading a 3rd round pick for a talented QB who Nix obviously likes from his San Diego days totally escapes me. I don’t see what the difference is between drafting a college player with no experience and trading for a QB with no game experience like Whitehurst. If anything, option B is more appealing to me because he has NFL seasoning.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Feb 28, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see what the difference is between drafting a college player with no experience and trading for a QB with no game experience like Whitehurst.

It is the same difference as saying we have seen enough of Trent or that you can’t count on Brohm. Trent could just as easily be the next Drew Brees. Trent’s confidence is shot. Can it be rebuilt? I don’t know, but Bills Walsh thought he would be a great QB. Brohm has not had his shot yet. He could easily be the next Aaron Rogers. There is no way you can say Whitehurst has more upside than Brohm that this point. If NIx things so, then fine, but I can’t see how taking that chance is worth a 3rd round pick this season.

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by Joe P. on Feb 28, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody is saying that getting a QB with some NFL experience for a 3rd round pick isn’t a good deal. But Whitehurst has NO EXPERIENCE! Nobody knows how good or bad he is because they have nothing to base it on. You are showing your true colors Nick.

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by sireric on Feb 28, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Re:

“Nobody is saying that getting a QB with some NFL experience for a 3rd round pick isn’t a good deal.”

Maybe we’re reading this thread differently, sireric. I read the majority of the comments above to be utter outrage in reaction to this speculation. I don’t see where your taking anything I wrote above as a statement that Charlie Whitehurst would be a definitive answer at QB for the BIlls. I’m just confused as to why a 3rd round pick that produces a player with no NFL experience is considered to be so much more valuable than a young QB with no experience. To me, the draft pick and Whitehurst are the same thing: a gamble.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Feb 28, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

The answer: Upside.

Whitehurst is 28.
A rookie 3rd rounder is what 22, 23?

The rookie has time to grow even if he doesn’t show how good he is in his 1st year. How much time does Whitehurst have?

I read the majority of the comments above to be utter outrage in reaction to this speculation.

Utter outrage is strong. Displeasure? yeah. Outrage? no.

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by sireric on Feb 28, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll add to the differences here. A rookie QB hasn’t failed to impress in the preseason like Whitehurst has. A rookie QB hasn’t spent the last 5 or so years failing to climb the depth chart. And a 3rd round rookie would be salary controlled and super cheap for 4 seasons. Whitehurst is an RFA this year meaning that if Buffalo were to sign and start him, he’d be a UFA next offseason and that leaves Buffalo with a very difficult decision to make. You’re ethier resigning him after one year of starting to a pretty sizeable contract and hoping for the best, or he’s walking and your 3rd round investment is gone.

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by kaisertown on Mar 1, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Whitehurst RFA

If the Bills tried to sign him, it’d be to a long term contract. They don’t have to give him the one year tender offer that SD gave him. I believe SD simply has the option to match whatever contract he is offered, and if they don’t, they get the 3rd rounder…..

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by Kurupt on Mar 1, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed they need a QB

but Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn? Cleveland is ahead of the Bills on the need a Qb list!

by mcmaurer on Feb 28, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

 In my opinion, for the Bills to pursue Whitehurst they would have to 100% convinced that he is better then the current group they have. Why give up a 3rd rounder for a guy that isn’t any better then Fitzpatrick or Edwards? If they are sure that he is and think he could be a quality starter in the NFL then he is probably worth more then a 3rd and would be a bargain at that price.

 Lets also no forget that they don’t have to deal a pick. It could be any trade like say, a player from the Bills for Whitehurst and a pick. Just saying…..

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by sireric on Feb 27, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

A player? As in the player? As in the Chargers need a running back and we’ve got one? LOL

by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t open that can of worms…you did.

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by sireric on Feb 27, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed!

you can’t get rid of him fast enough, imo. family first, MY A**!!

by MLZNW02 on Feb 27, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If he comes to Buffalo he’s gonna have to cut that friggin’ mop! :)

by jj24 on Feb 27, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

He kinda looks like Losman in that pick

Just saying. Does this mean the deal’s off? lol

by mob16151 on Feb 27, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I Love the Mirror Drill

Shows me how patient an O-lineman is, reaction time and how smooth and lite on their feet they are. Bulaga once again did very well in this drill.
To be honest, I am starting to like Trent Williams a bit more after watching video of him as well. Anthony Davis looks ok and good on tape but to me his question marks throw up a few flags for me as I have mentioned in other posts.

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by Hambone on Feb 27, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

And the song remains the same

Instead of giving up a 3rd round pick the Bills could trade draft position and keep at least 3 picks in the first 3 rounds. When a team needs both quantity and quality that just seems the way to go.

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by Ron From NM on Feb 27, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Adding another fledgling QB

doesn’t make any sense. If we bring someone in they should at least be talented enough to be the frontrunner for the starting job. The Bills don’t need a quarterback competition, they need a quarterback. That player is not on this roster, so no one on this roster should be competing for the gig.

Tyler Thigpen would arguably be worth Round 3 Pick 9, but that is arguable. And he’s leagues better than Whitehurst.

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by Dyl on Feb 27, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

Adding another fledgling QB

doesn’t make any sense. If we bring someone in they should at least be talented enough to be the frontrunner for the starting job. The Bills don’t need a quarterback competition, they need a quarterback. That player is not on this roster, so no one on this roster should be competing for the gig.

I agree completely with that.

Tyler Thigpen would arguably be worth Round 3 Pick 9,

I would make that trade.

And he’s leagues better than Whitehurst.

I’m not sure how true that is. I’m not saying it isn’t true, just that I don’t know enough about Whitehurst to say that it is.

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by sireric on Feb 27, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

For me it’s just his body of work. Someone with an accomplished body of work, even an unfinished one like Thigpen, is better than someone with no body of work. The only indication of his talent is that he didn’t have enough upside to sit ahead of the safe Billy Volek. That doesn’t tell all about his abilities, but it is a presumption with a little juice.

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by Dyl on Feb 27, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The only indication of his talent is that he didn’t have enough upside to sit ahead of the safe Billy Volek. That doesn’t tell all about his abilities, but it is a presumption with a little juice.

Good point. If you can’t beat out Billy Volek on the depth chart….

I’m not sure I would totally discount him based on that alone but it is a fair point.

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by sireric on Feb 27, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point. If you can’t beat out Billy Volek on the depth chart….

Theres not a QB on our roster who could make San Diego’s

by mob16151 on Feb 27, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

So you think that Whitehurst is better then all of the guys on Buffalo’s current roster? What do you base that on considering he has never thrown a pass in the NFL? Not saying you are worng, just wondering what you base that on.

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by sireric on Feb 27, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think all three of our quarterbacks could make their roster

Fitz could easily make it, Edwards has starting experience and would be a fine backup, and Brohm is just as valuable prospect as Whitehurst.

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by Dyl on Feb 28, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

People gotta stop hating on Bills players just cause they're Bills.

Current Edwards > Career-threatening-injured Brees a couple years back, who was pretty awful early on too

He played awful last year, but he still has the tools, It’d just be nice if OBD had decided to give a 3rd round project QB a solid veteran and coaching staff to learn from instead of just assuming a Stanford pedigree means he can handle the job. He learned the NFL from Losman, how is anyone surprised he didnt become great

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 4:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I like this.

In fact I’m pretty sure that I don’t. Whitehurst has never shown the ability to be anything else but a backup. He’s also 28, so to me thats to old to become a franchise QB when you haven’t done anything in your career. And I deffinatly wouldn’t want to give up a third rounder for him. Especially in a draft that is this deep this year.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Whitehurst has never shown the ability to be anything else but a backup.

Actually he hasn’t shown his ability at all. Who knows he could be very good. He could be very bad too….

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by sireric on Feb 27, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

See it’s that last part that makes me not want to take the risk.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. I’d rather trade Donte and a third rounder and switch first round pick with the Chiefs and grab Clausen in front of the Seahawks.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 27, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

See I’m not big on Claussen… or Bradford. Truth be told, I’m not terribly impressed by any QB in this year’s class.

I’m looking forward to next year and the possibility of drafting either Mallett or Locker.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

dont think the Bills can get him without givin up too much, but Bradford has the potential to be great

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

My biggest problem with Bradford was that he was very thin

He seems to have fixed that problem. Will it help him stay healthy in the NFL? Tony Pike has the same problem and could be a poor mans Bradford. If the Bills pass on a QB in rounds 1-2, it will be interesting to see of if they bite on Pike in the 3rd, if he slides that far. Barring Tebow blowing us away at his Pro Day, I am still on the roll with what he have until next year bandwagon.

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by Joe P. on Feb 28, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on Bradford, but he’ll be long gone before we pick so he’s really not even an option in my eyes.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem for Nix and Gailey is they can’t just throw a year in the kitchensink with a 4-12 record and then draft a QB. They know the fans are extremely impatient and they’ll need to find a QB this year imo. If that means trading next year’s first round pick for Kolb, then by all means we should do it imo.

"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 28, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

They know the fans are extremely impatient and they’ll need to find a QB this year imo

I couldn’t disagree more with that statement. We have had a horrible, and I mean truly horrble ten years, yet we are still here. If anything Bills fans are some of the most loyal and some of the most patient fans out there. I truly think that if it got use a true franchise QB most fans would not mind going threw one more horrible year. Short term pain for long term gain is how we should look at this.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s agree to disagree. Fans are sick and tired of losing and having an owner committed to mediocrity in Ralph at the helm and I truly hope fans will show their displeasure one way or the other, because for all I know Ralph continues to make these completely bone-headed decisions

"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 2, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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