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Bills to move on without Owens, Denney, Reed

The Buffalo Bills have announced that the team has informed wide receivers Terrell Owens and Josh Reed, as well as defensive end Ryan Denney, that the team will not pursue re-signing them. All three players are unrestricted free agents, and will be seeking employment elsewhere come March 5.

For Owens, it's the end of a one-year marriage gone wrong. One of the most decorated receivers in NFL history, Owens struggled in 2009 as a Bill, hauling in 55 passes for 829 yards, with five touchdowns. Owens' biggest accomplishment in his one year in Buffalo was recording his 1,000th reception in a Week 16 loss to Atlanta. He'll be one of the biggest names available via free agency this year.

Reed has spent his entire eight-year career with Buffalo, during which he's caught 311 passes for 3,575 yards with 10 touchdowns. He'll turn 30 in May, and should be a nice short-term option for a team looking for a veteran slot receiver.

Denney came to Buffalo the same year that Reed did (2002); both were second-round picks that year. Denney departs Buffalo with 298 tackles, 23.5 sacks and six forced fumbles to his name.

Per the team's statement, GM Buddy Nix had the following to say on the decisions: "We wanted to inform all three players ahead of the start of the free agency period so they could begin making their plans. We just felt that was the right thing to do. All three have represented our organization with class and we thank them for their dedication and hard work."

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Upon hearing the news, Owens had this to say on his Twitter account:


I would like to thank the great fans in Buffalo, Ralph Wilson & the Bills organization for all their support this past season.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

Bye! Thanks TO!

It was fun while it lasted. You were all over the T.V. and gained the Bills some exposure, and did not tear the locker room apart, and spoke well of the city and team! Couldn’t have expected that when you were signed.

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by Undee on Feb 27, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

But I, for one, am very proud of Nix for working like this. Tell the guys straight out with plenty of time for them to look around! That’s class, and it is what Nix praised Butler for (not Favreing the team.)

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by Undee on Feb 27, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

CHIX could have gone one step further and making it crystal clear that teams could contact the players or their agents with no fear of tampering charges.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 27, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That woulda been a classy move. I imagine that it’s sort of unspoken though. They’d look like turds if they filed tampering charges after this.

by krytime on Feb 27, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I have that feeling too. I’m thinking that they probably sent a league wide memo to that end. They just didn’t exactly have to tell the press about it.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Josh Reed

I can see him signing w/ New England or Miami.

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by Michael_Necci on Feb 27, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

That would be fine with me.

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by Undee on Feb 27, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

New England? Welker or Reed? Welker or Reed? Welker or……wait a minute, why am I even asking the question?

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 27, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Welker has a messed up ACL and MCL. And Reed has both a functioning ACL and MCL?

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 28, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you really see Reed catching 115 passes in the slot for the Pats? Cause i sure dont.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see another player in the NFL other than the 2008 version of Wes Welker catching 115 passes for the Patriots in the slot. I’m just saying that healthy Reed > injured Welker. For the record, I doubt NE would be interested even though they love the cagey veterans. But Reed should find a decent landing spot somewhere, I would hope.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 28, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

In fairness to Reed, virtually no one predicted what Wes Welker has done with the Patriots.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 28, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

And again in fairness to Reed,I don’t think that anybody will duplicated what Welker has done for the Pats.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

surely the Fins didn't!!!

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by fansince60 on Feb 28, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he would be an excellent fit for them to replace Welker.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for what youve done in Buffalo you three. But thank god the Josh Reed era is over in Buffalo.

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by bflo on Feb 27, 2010 7:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Not quite as dramatic as cutting Bruce, Andre, and Thurman on the same day but Denney and Reed have been here eight years.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

They both seem like likable people, and both had some moments…good luck Denny and Reed.

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by Undee on Feb 27, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Fun fact:

According to PFR, Josh Reed had two receiving touchdowns int the past two seasons…the same number as Ryan Denney!!

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by Undee on Feb 27, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

one's

1/5th 5 WR was / was a #3 TDs

Evans had TO’s love child???

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by Undee on Feb 28, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Man this speaks volumes about the Bills....
Denney and Reed have been here eight years.

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 27, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly my thoughts. Those 2 represent the past 8 years of bills football.

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by bflo on Feb 28, 2010 12:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Right…. I mean God forbid we have role players on this team…….

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Glad to see the log Jam at WR cleared. Was never a fan of Reed but gotta say start to finish Owens handled his time in Buffalo with class.

by Robot Nixon on Feb 27, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

WR

WR in the draft will be a significant need

by Pablo Escobar on Feb 27, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

So now that makes: QB,OL,OLB,RB,TE and WR as “significant need”. Yep, that’s pretty much the entire team, save for Moorman and Lindell. Go ahead and add DE too if Schoebel calls it a day.

I’m thinking 2011-2012 before we can even sniff a winning record. I can live with that, if we can get it…..but anyone with pie in the sky dreams on playoffs next season can FUGGEDABOUTIT!

by Caleb R on Feb 27, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, wait….im sorry. That was way too “pie in the sky-ish” of me. 2013 seems like a reasonable baseline to use as the first possible playoff year

by Caleb R on Feb 27, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

How are HB and TE significant needs? I mean sure we could use another TE to compliment Nelson, but I honestly think that Schouman will do just fine in that role. As for RB, I don’t care how much you dislike Marshawn Lynch personally, the duo of Jackson and Lynch is a very formidable one which teams will fear if we even have a halfway compitant line.

Niether are “needs” at this points, they might be “wants” but they are not “needs.” And neither is WR, for the reasons I stated below in reply to Pablo.

I will however totally agree at QB, OL, DL and OLB are very significant needs.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that we only have 2 RB on the ENTIRE ROSTER (with one of them due for another arrest any second and one pushing 30) right now makes it significant.

TE, granted….not AS pressing, but the jury is still out on Nelson both health, and production wise (can he block worth a damn?)

We just cut 2 WR today…..it’s a pressing need. Evans is the only known entity we have. We dont know that Hardy can play, but all signs point to NO…and now we have no posession reciever or underneath route runner. If Steve Johnson is your real long term answer to “who is our #2 WR”, then may God have mercy on your soul

by Caleb R on Feb 27, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bills only have 4 WRs and two of them are total question marks and one is Roscoe Parrish. They’ve only got one center on the roster unless you count Wood. And if he counts as a center, then there’s only two guards other than Christian Gaddis. Unless you think that Keith Ellison can play ILB, Buffalo only has two of those. And that’s not counting Buffalo’s needs at OT, QB, NT and OLB. If the Bills are keeping Marshawn, RB has to be way down the list of needs. It might be the strongest position on the entire roster.

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by kaisertown on Feb 28, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok I guess that we have different deffinition of what a pressing need is. To me a pressing need is QB or NT or OLB or OT. You know the positions that we should really concentrate on early in the draft and put the most effort into getting quality free agents at. And while I agree that RB and WR are needs, they are not pressing needs.

RB It is truly our strongest postion on the roster. And yes Marshawn is one screwup away from a year long suspension. But I’m finding it hard to believe that I’m the only one on here that has some faith in the man, I don’t know why, but I do. As for Freddy, he’s playing better pushing 30 than most 25 years olds do in this league. I sincirely believe that the 30 year old wall is a squewed number when looking at Freddy. That age number is there because wear and tear usually catches up to a RB at 30, but Freddy has very little wear and tare. I really think that he has another 3 or 4 very good years left in him.

WR I’ve said it at other places on this thread, but we do need to sign a veteran free agent to put in rotation with Hardy and Johnson. And yes I do think that both Hardy and Johnson are long term answers to this team. The reason why they have not shown us much is more because of injury (Hardy) and coaches just not playing them. The little that we have seen from James and Scuba Steve has been very impressive. Yes Johnson may only have a handfull of catches, but 95% of them have been clutch catches that either got us a first down or a touchdown. So I do believe that we have a future in both of them if we actually start playing them.

TE Status Quo. Sure we could draft one in the later rounds this year and it wouldn’t disapoint me at all, but the position really isn’t a need at all.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

….I thought we still had Omon, did he actually get released last season?

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by UZ on Feb 28, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

He was released and signed with the Seahawks (I think) within a week.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you forget about RB Justice Hairston???

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

They didn’t cut anybody. Their contracts were up.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Definately

They need a good slot man in the draft. Hardy can be a good threat as the wide man with his huge size. They gotta get speed and elusiveness for the underneath routes. Either get one in the draft or pick someone up in FA. Anyone know any good names in the free agency?

by gatorempire127 on Feb 27, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Johnson

He could be the slot guy.

If he get an in-line blocking TE, Nelson could also fill that role to a degree.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 27, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. In between Evans, Hardy, Johnson and Nelson our receiving corps is pretty much set. Ok fine we could use a rotational guy threw free agency, but WR should not at all be a priority in the draft.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, I see Johnson as a little bit slower Sidney Rice type. He attacks the ball the same way from the little I’ve seen.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Feb 27, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. And Johnson is increadible at shedding his deffender. Even T. McGee said that Johnson’s ability to do that is among the best he’s ever seen.

I honestly see both Hardy and Johnson sharing time at #2 and in the slot next year.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s just hope we have someone that can get them the ball.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The TE class is very deep this season

With Fine being cut, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Bills and a TE in the mid to late rounds.

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by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither would I, but I wouldn’t put TE in as a priority (aka first 3-4 rounds of the draft) unless we can get great value for a guy that has slipped a few rounds. We deffinatly should not be drafting a TE in the first 3 rounds this year. Bigger needs to fill.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

What about the guy from Bowling Green

Freddy Barnes I think. He seem’s like a guy who’s definetly worth taking a flyer on. And the kid from the Citadel seem’s like he might have some heavy duty pro potential.

by mob16151 on Feb 27, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Andre Roberts?

Is that who you’re talking about? If so, he’s a WR.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 27, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

Everything I’ve heard about him this offseason has been positive.

by mob16151 on Feb 27, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

hes gonna be snapped up way before OBD has the opportunity to take a flyer on him.

If i remember correctly he was one of the more impressive performers at the senior bowl and is definitely not under the radar by any means.

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Meh

I was under the impressionhe was still floating around the late 4thround at earliest range.

by mob16151 on Feb 28, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

But he's a super frail WR

And we’re talking about big blocking TE’s?

by Der Jaeger on Feb 28, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

round 4

I thought the bills were required by league rules to pick a TE in 4th round ;-)

by williamsDT on Feb 28, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

It was self-imposed.

Had to do with the last coaching staff. Some other weird rules about drafting DB’s as well. : )

by Der Jaeger on Feb 28, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally disagree. In fact I don’t even think that we draft a WR this year. We have two promissing (yet extremely inexperienced) wide receivers in James Hardy and Steve Johnson. Lets see what they can do!

I say that we sign a rotational WR and have all three (theFA, Hardy and James) rotating as the number 2 and 3 guys threwout the year.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t you feel we need to add someone with some significant experience. Hardy and Johnson have about 20 catches between them. Maybe Chris Chambers?

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly don't.

I mean yes I do think that we need to sign 1 free agent WR, but huge expirience is not a necessity. I think that we need a guy to go in rotation with hardy and Johnson in order to help their development…. ok maybe expirience would help in that department.

Personally I think that a guy like Kevin Walter or Bobby Wade would be a much better fit than Chris Chambers. If for no other reason that they could stick around for 3 to 5 years. We need stability and leadership on this team, not an over the hill has-been that is ripe for retirement.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the Bobby Wade idea.

I dont think they should spend a draft pick on a WR the more we talk about itm theres just way too many other needs. Shopping the Agency is a big necessity tho for sure, in both WR and the TE positions. But as it was said the TE talent in this draft is incredible. They need to save the picks for the OL QB and Defensive needs for sure.

by gatorempire127 on Feb 27, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem with those two is that they keep gettin bumped down the depth chart. I want to see what they can do this year, especially since no one is expecting the Bills to be a playoff team

if i would wager that at least one of them would step up to the challenge and become a solid nfl wr, I’m thinkin you, Mr. Johnson

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't have anything against Johnson

But why is everyone higher on him than Hardy. If Hardy and Johnson both reached 100 percent of there potential Hardy would be 5 times the player of Johnson.

by mob16151 on Feb 28, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Because alot of good things have been said about him, whereas Hardy has sorta disappointed

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

And Johnson is increadible at shedding his deffender. Even T. McGee said that Johnson’s ability to do that is among the best he’s ever seen.

case in point. hardy needs to show he can win one on one battle with his size

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Stats for both

Hardy has 10 catches for 96 yardsand 2 Touchdowns in his career. Johnson has 12 catches for a112 yards and 2 TD’s. I just feel like Bill’s fan’s are overrating Johnson and underrating Hardy for no good reason I can see. Certainly not on field production at least, as there’s no noticeable difference in there career number’s so far.

by mob16151 on Feb 28, 2010 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

there is a difference in draft position thou, and, if you dont think thats very important, talk to anyone who has an issue with my boy Donte

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear ya

And if Hardy had played as much as Donte his first 2 season’s I’d be inclined to agree with other’s. But I really do feellike were all jumping to conclusion’s about both of them entirely to soon.

by mob16151 on Feb 28, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Hardy seems too skinny to stay healthy. Hopefully new strength and conditioning coach can help.

by williamsDT on Feb 28, 2010 7:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Because 95% of Johnson`s catches have been in clutch situations.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I personally like Walter from Houston.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 28, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I think both Johnson and Hardy need to be evaluated on a completely clean slate without biased or assumptions until one of them proves that they have what it takes to be the man opposite of Lee Evans. Those career stats are too close to differentiate from one another so in my eyes theyre even until one of them wows in training camp.

by gatorempire127 on Feb 28, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bills go from Evans, Owens, Reed, Hardy, Johnson, Parrish, and Jenkins to Evans, Hardy, Johnson, Parrish plus one rotational guy? I don’t see that happening. They are going to bring in at least two wideouts this offseason. One via the draft, I’d expect, and one free agent.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Will miss Reed and Owens

Josh seemed like a nice guy, always willing to sign after practices during camp. Always had a smile on his face. I rooted for the guy. Too bad his Bills career had to end this way. I wish him all the best.

T.O., it was fun to watch him this past year. He does hold the longest touchdown catch in Bills history. I wish this year could have turned out differently for him and the Bills. But it was neat to have such a superstar playing in Orchard Park. In fact, I’ll be a fan of his from now on, which I never thought would happen. Good Luck, TO.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 27, 2010 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

“In fact, I’ll be a fan of his from now on, which I never thought would happen. Good Luck, TO.”

I feel the same way. Never would have been a real fan of his if it wasnt for last year.

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by bflo on Feb 27, 2010 7:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good luck to the 3 of them.....

But, the only one I might miss is TO. The fact that Reed and Denney have been here 8 years, to me, almost shows that they could have been sentimental hold overs far too long. I’m glad to see moves like this. Its time to move in a new direction and Nix is proving that is what they intend to do as he has said from day 1.

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by Hambone on Feb 27, 2010 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah. Stupid Reed. All he did was be productive. Guy was usually the third WR and averages 3 catches and 32 yards a game, every game, for 8 years. Not Hall of Fame worthy but certainly enough keeping him around for the meager salary he earned.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

With that being said....

I also look at what he couldn’t do. He couldn’t break the starting lineup, he dropped many “very timely” passes over the years and he couldnt crack the starting lineup which many were hoping he could do when he was drafted. To be honest Matt, there are some wr4 guys in the NFL that average 3 catches a game for 32 yards or at least close to it. And to be honest, I would rather take a wr4 or wr5 that could come in at goal line and score a td in the clutch. Trust me, I liked Reed as I thought he was a class act but to be honest he just created a log jam at the wr position and didnt put up the production he should have. Just my opinion.

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by Hambone on Feb 27, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I said cracking the lineup twice. My first point was to be that he couldnt make plays in the clutch and he didnt have great hands.

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by Hambone on Feb 27, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

For the first couple of seasons yes, that is true.

But then he developed into the Bills most sure handed WR. Evans had more drops over the past couple of years.

by twoeightnine on Feb 27, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Either way....

I never saw him as a clutch wr. He wasn’t a play maker that we need on the team. He didnt compliment Evans well at all in my opinion. Again, its just my opinion. Im not here to bash Reed. As I said, I liked him as the class act he was. We just need to move forward with rebuilding this team with actual play makers and this was the right move.

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by Hambone on Feb 27, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I see “clutch” a little differently I guess. The guy always went over the middle and took some solid pops for his trouble. It’s true he was basically magnetically repelled from the endzone, but when a QB needed to find the soft spot in a zone, Reed was there. Sadly, he was another guy that got over-drafted, yet another part of that pattern, but he also averaged 3 catches a game on an offense that hasn’t really had a QB and only rarely had an offensive line. I’m of the opinion that it should be Parrish on his way out and not Reed, but I understand the sentiment of just wanting to move on too. Anyway, good luck to Josh Reed. Hope he lands in a good spot.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 28, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

It was definitely the right move. We won’t argue on that. :-)

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

To be honest Matt, there are some wr4 guys in the NFL that average 3 catches a game for 32 yards or at least close to it.

That’s true but they weren’t playing in the Bills offense with the Bills QBs.

You say below he didn’t make “clutch” plays but he was Mr. First Down for Trent Edwards.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

both were second-round picks that year

Lets hope that our next two second round picks have better careers here.

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

Don’t we have a second round pick receiver still on the team, is he ever going to play?

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by NolaBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Best of Luck to all three

Reed was Edwards’ go to guy, so could this be a sign that Edwards is on the outs? I must say I am relieved that T.O. will be gone. Not sure how much longer he could have behaved himself. I am sure Drew R. had that tweet prepared for him since late December.

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by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2010 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

T.O. will be missed, but this is the right move

that said, how friggin cool was it to have a HOFer like that on the roster

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by pasaluki on Feb 27, 2010 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

Completely agree. Even if TO was having a terrible game, you always had a chance

that he would catch a bomb for a TD. That possibility was always there. Teams either had to respect that, or get burned by it. How Lee Evans didn’t have better numbers…..I will never know. (Well, it may have something to do with QB and O-line…….maybe. haha)

by StroudFanClub on Feb 27, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This is fine by me. Not that TO would have been willing to come back, but I don’t see what Buffalo had to gain by bringing him back. They need to develop some WRs and I think that’s easier to do without both Evans and TO on the roster.

I also didn’t see what there was to gain by bringing Denney back. Buffalo can find a better fit at 3-4 DE with the money they would have spent on him.

I thought Buffalo could have resigned Reed to be a reliable option in the slot and give Johnson and Hardy competition on the outside, but it’s probably cheaper to find somebody on the open market. When you’re paying a guy like Denney or Reed 2 or 3 mil a season and go to negotiate a new deal, it’s kind of a slap in the face to offer a lot less than that. But if Buffalo is looking for FAs this spring, they can wait a few weeks into things and offer smaller contracts for backup types at WR and DE to replace these guys.

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by kaisertown on Feb 27, 2010 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

"Not that TO would have been willing to come back, but I don’t see what Buffalo had to gain by bringing him back."

Does this statement mean you don’t think TO gives the Bills a better chance to win games next year than James Hardy or Steve Johnson does?

Dont the Bills have “wins” to gain by bringing him back? Or are we better off next year with our younger guys?

by StroudFanClub on Feb 27, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don’t think that winning games next year is as important as finding playing time for Hardy and Johnson. I know that trying to develop those two gives the Bills a better chance to win games in 2011 and beyond. And with this roster, I think that’s where the focus needs to be.

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by kaisertown on Feb 27, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I disagree

Pennington is a QB, which changes the situation. Owens in 2-3 years is going to be step(s) slower, particularly on deeper routes. Pennington is going to be exactly the same. Guys like Mark Brunell and Pennington stick around because of their leadership, mental abilities, and dependability (not talking injuries).

I’m in favor of signing Pennington and here’s how the situation could unfold:

2010: Pennington signs a 3 year deal with Buffalo. He competes and wins the starting job, with three back-ups. Those back ups are Edwards because he’s cheap, Fitzpatrick because he’s a proven #2 QB, and a rookie that will become the starter eventually. Pennington mentors all.

2011: Edwards is an RFA that isn’t tendered and moves on. Pennington competes but the rookie wins the starting job. Fitzpatrick remains a back-up. Mentoring by Pennington continues.

2012: Rookie starts with Pennington and Fitzpatrick as back-ups.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 27, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

You are describing exactly what Chad Pennington himself did through Vinny Testaverde.

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by Dyl on Feb 27, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It's how the QB position works best

The franchise bread winners (Marino, Aikman, Manning, etc) come in and either start right away, or sit a little their first year before starting. Some start out low and have to work into the line-up (Brady, Brees) but they still sit a little while. When they are done, they don’t become back-ups… they retire.

The above average QB’s (Pennington, Bulger, Brunell) wait similarly, but when their starting days are over, they tend to stay longer as back-ups.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 27, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know about the rest of this forum, but the last thing I want to see happen next season is a rookie qb or edwards/fitzpatrick starting, and throwing to Hardy and Steve Johnson. We would be fortunate to get a win. Its one thing to develop players. Its another thing to tank an entire season attempting to do so. Gaining experience doesnt happen solely during a game. Look at Aaron Rodgers. Prime example of how beneficial sitting behind a great veteran qb for 3 years can possibly accelerate ones career. Rodgers is now one of the leagues premiere qbs. They tried to throw Hardy into the fire, and it, well, backfired. He was dropping pretty much everything thrown his way, running poor routes, and his timing was off. They could certainly benefit from learning under Pennington and a wide receiver I am a huge fan of in Kevin Walter. I would be ecstatic if Nix signed him. He is not the most physically imposing receiver, but knows how to play the game, and plays it hard.

by BFFL on Feb 28, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Pennington will be exactly the same in 2-3 years? I disagree

I def can’t prove this, of course, but I gotta believe that going into the 2012 season (in which Pennington will be 37 years old), Chad Pennington will not be a starting QB in the NFL. Hell, I don’t think he should be a starting QB now! This is prob where we disagree I’m guessing.

But you mention Mark Brunell as an example? Sorry, I wouldn’t have signed him either.

I guess I’m okay with your situation you layout, but why couldn’t you just have Edwards start this year, draft a rookie, hire someone like Mark Brunell to do the teaching that you desire of Pennington, and then you get to see if Edwards just had a bad year last year, or is just bad. And you don’t have to spend the money on Pennington. I just don’t see the point to signing him.

I mean, what is the real difference between you liking Owens being gone because it gives you a chance to find out about the younger players, but you want Pennington to beat out Edwards, and eventually he just leaves the team? I don’t get that…..the guy had a bad year. So did Marshawn. So did Lee Evans. So did the offensive line. So did the entire freaking team. You would be willing to write him so soon?

by StroudFanClub on Feb 28, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Position difference

Quarterback is mostly mental, which never decays. Guys like Favre, Warner, and Kerry Collins have proven this.

See what Kerry Collins did for Vince Young. Young sitting for a year was the best thing for him. That could help Edwards as well.

Plus, a stable QB effects the whole team. Think there was any correlation between the bad years on everyone on offense except for Fred Jackson had anything to do with the terrible QB play? Aaron Rodgers had just as bad of an OL early in the season for Green Bay and he still did well…. so it’s not all on the OL. Bad QB play makes for a bad team.

Buffalo needs some stability now. A guy like Pennington can provide that. It’ll help the whole team, and will likely help Edwards and a rookie, if we draft one.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 28, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, Der Jaeger, I feel like my point is unclear, so let me try this way:

What are the odds that Chad Pennington leads the Bills to a Super Bowl win?

What are the odds that Trent Edwards starts this season and plays well enough to at least have trade value if the Franchise QB we drafted is ready to play in 2011?

by StroudFanClub on Feb 28, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Trent Edwards is in the last year of his contract. So he doesn’t exactly have trade value after this season. And even if he did, I’d rather play a pretty good QB and not forget the potential extra late round pick than roll the dice on a QB who may be so broken that starting him would lead to a disastrous 0-3 win season. The difference between keeping TO and signing Pennington is that the QB improves the play of everybody around him so much more than a WR like Owens can. Owens keeps young WRs who you want on the field off the field, and since Buffalo probably won’t have a young QB with a future in Buffalo starting, he’s not helping a QB develop. All Owens really does for a rebuilding team is pull a little coverage off of a player like Nelson, who probably wouldn’t be a player that defenses put an emphasis on stopping anyways. With Pennington, you’ve got a mentor and additional coach in the film room for any young QB. The Bills would have effecient QB play that spreads the ball around, keeps drives alive, and puts points on the scoreboard. He hits receivers that run their routes with timing and precision instead of just throwing to whoever the first read is and/or checking down for little to no gain. He gets rid of the ball on time and is a reliable player for a young OL to block for. Pennington brings a credibility to the offense that TO couldn’t and everybody improves as a result.

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by kaisertown on Feb 28, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

rec

a.k.a. Undee

by Undee on Feb 28, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

To add onto this

Pennington would eventually cede the position to someone younger, continue to mentor, and provide the team with a dependable veteran back-up…. even in 2012.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 28, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I would hate this plan in 9 out of 10 free agency periods, but this year – with the absolutely awful QB-class in FA and very mediocre QB-class in the draft – I could live with that option, however I wouldn’t keep four QB’s. No team needs four QB’s on their roster, so to me we either cut Trent or Fitz.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 28, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

What makes next years crop of QB's

Any better than this seasons, i know Heisman QB’s don’t usually do well in the pros but they’re 2 QB’s with Heismans, Clausen who played for 3 seasons under Weis. Lefavour, Pike, Colt. Nexy year isn’t the year of QB’s in the draft my friends like everyone thinks. You have Locker, Ponder, Mallet (dumb as rocks) what makes that class so special, I personally think next years QB class will be worse.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Feb 28, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you, thank you, thank you

I’m trying to stop the incessant droning of P&$%&$%*&. I can’t even bring myself to type his name.
Just like 2+2=5 HE IS NOT THE ANSWER!!! Make it stop!

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by fansince60 on Feb 28, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends

If OBD thinks a 35-year-old situational pass rushing OLB/DE can contribute, then yes. If not, then no.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 28, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I do think that TO gives us a better chance to win next year. But at the same time having him here next year will once again severaly hinder both Hardy`s and Johnson`s developments. And to make this team successful in the long run we need to develop our young players. So in the grand scheme of things, we’re better off without TO next year.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep, totally agree with this.

(and thus explains why I would rather see Trent Edwards try and save his career than watch Chad Pennington give us 2-3 more wins next year.)

by StroudFanClub on Feb 27, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You’ve brought up the wins a few times with Chad Pennington, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen anybody who wants Pennington use next year’s record as a reason for signing him. Bringing Pennington in has absolutely nothing to do with next year’s W/L record at all. It’s all about providing a functional offense that a young player can grow in. If Buffalo starts Edwards, they’re taking a huge risk that he’s the same QB he was last year which is about the single worst situation this team could find itself in.

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by kaisertown on Feb 28, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

again

a.k.a. Undee

by Undee on Feb 28, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

can kaiser and DJ just get an auto-rec every time they post?

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Great, now I'm stuck with a TO jersey......

at least I got it on ebay, so it was cheap. Good luck gentlemen in your future endevours.

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by UtahBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 8:25 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

me too, dude. REC’d

by Caleb R on Feb 27, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I would never have bought a TO jersey.

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by UZ on Feb 27, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If anything, that's why I would buy one.

The guy’s a Hall of Famer. You get to say that you have a Terrell Owens Bills jersey for the one year he was with us. How awesome is that?

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by Dyl on Feb 27, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Not very?

Why not just buy a James Lofton jersey? He’s a Hall of Famer, Super Bowl winner, went to a Pro Bowl and three Super Bowls as Bill, and played here 4 years.

I mean c’mon. I’m glad that TO was here, I enjoyed (almost) every second that he was here, will probably always be a fan of his but you’re just looking for a reason to say you didn’t waste money.

You’re telling me you wouldn’t laugh at someone who spent $80 on a Jerry Rice Seahawks jersey? A Kurt Warner Giants Jersey? A TO Eagles jersey? Reggie White in Panthers blue?

by twoeightnine on Feb 28, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

No, it’s all about being the guy that has it, and remembers the 1 year craze… I wish I had one.

Glad they’re all gone though, shows Chix is moving away from the decade of fail.

by A.Reed_not_J.Reed on Feb 28, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

A TO Eagles jersey?

Well, that’s taking the idea a bit too far, he was pretty good and made a superbowl with them.

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by UZ on Feb 28, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't laugh at those people at all

As I said, I would be jealous of what they had collected as items of history.

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by Dyl on Feb 28, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be all that surprised if Reed eventually re-signed with the Bills, particularly if there was a WR injury. He might generate modest FA interest but, then again, he might not. If he’s just sitting around in July (a la Daunte Culpepper before Detroit signed him) and Buffalo has a WR injury I can see CHIX giving him a call. Not being re-signed has to sting more than a little but Reed can’t say he was treated shabbily by the new front office. My guess is that he wouldn’t hold a grudge.

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by Ron From NM on Feb 27, 2010 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve got to imagine that, with the limited FA crop this year, he’ll be snapped up. Not in the first-tier, of course, but the guys not a bad receiver, which is more than some teams have right now.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 28, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I could see him and either TO or Marshall land w/ the Bears.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 28, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Little number 11

I’m surpised that no one has yet mentioned the possible volumes this move speaks as to Roscoe. It’d be nice if Chan and his posse could find a way to use the guy. By mid last year his confidence and ego was so smashed that his body language looked like a broken man who knew he was no longer valued and/or wanted. Interested in what the immediate future holds for him. I’m stoked about FA on the 5th here…

by Jay Mayne on Feb 27, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

I'm with you Jay.... Cut Roscoe now... I hated that pick..

.. and he makes a lot of money for doing nothing worthwhile.
BUH-BYE.
Buddy…… cut this waste.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 27, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

im not sure Jay was quite that down on him… sounds like he thinks roscoe could just use alittle confidence bein placed in him

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

The difference is Roscoe’s contract isn’t up. They might be trying to shop him or even see what they can get out of him in camp.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

ON JOSH REED

wasnt a big fan of josh reed he drop so many pass’s

by rossulino25 on Feb 27, 2010 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone with the list of UFA wide receivers?

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

Antonio Bryant – TB
Derek Mason – BAL
Kevin Walter – HOU
Nate Burleson – SEA
Torry Holt – JAX
Chris Chambers – KC
Bobby Wade – KC
Arnaz Battle – SF
Muhsin Muhammed – CAR
Mike Furrey – CLE
Mark Bradley – TB
Joey Galloway – NE
Greg Lewis – MIN
Kassim Osgood – SD
David Tyree – NYG

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by kaisertown on Feb 27, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you sir

who do you like off this list? Chambers and Walter stand out to me.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever happened to Greg Lewis? I really thought he had a bright future in Philly… He could be cheap and compete.

Fatang Fatang.

by NeverendingOptimism on Feb 27, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He was released by the Patriots before last season, then he signed with Minny. He had 8 catches for 96 yards on the season.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 27, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yuck.

why do I remember him being good in philly?

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by NeverendingOptimism on Feb 27, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I remember that too. So I looked it up. His best year, he had 48 catches for 561 yards. That year was 2005. Apparently, my memory is bad.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 28, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Mason is old, but he is a talented risk I would take on a reasonable deal.

by Mr. h on Feb 28, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Walter would be a great addition that we could depend on in the long run. We could also develop both Hardy and Johnson behind him and use all 3 in a rotation.

Otherwise from that, the only names that interest me are Bobby Wade and Nate Burlesson. Maybe Chris Chambers… maybe.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ive always been a fan of having a 2nd wr in the vein of Walter, ie stokley etc.., and is furrey still capable of the production he had at the end of the season a few years ago?

though, id want johnson and hardy to be 2 and 3 with a veteran FA signed to keep them from getting too comfortable if they cant handle it after a few games
they need the reps and i think one of em could really get good given the opportunity

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take Mason, Muhammed, or Bryant. In fact, if the Bills aren’t going to keep Roscoe on the team, I’ll take any two of them and add a rookie.

by jj24 on Feb 28, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Bryant too... but for a very silly reason

Mainly because my Madden-playing self has picked up Bryant from the 08 free-agency logs every time. (Especially in my stacking-the-deck rosters for HoF mode, where I’m almost always playing QB.) And wouldn’t you know, he gets Icon status in three seasons more often than not? Then again, this is the whole Roscoe Parrish issue again.

by MadmanJack on Feb 28, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Arnaz Battle was in Remember the Titans, right?

by caboose on Feb 28, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn,t mind a guy like Shipley

I think he is gonna be real good for whoever drafts him trouble is will be in the right position to draft him with our other more pressing needs

by SClemyBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

I would love Shipley

Just not sure what round would we a nice pick for him.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Feb 27, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Denney came to Buffalo the same year that Reed did (2002); both were second-round picks that year.

That was a very depressing line to read. Second round picks should not be career backups.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2010 10:03 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I almost forgot

“We really like our guys. They work hard and we really like them. They’re good football players.”

It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.

by Ron From NM on Feb 27, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I had hoped that TO might stick around for another year, but this was pretty inevitable. Good of Nix to give them fair warning though.

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by UZ on Feb 27, 2010 10:27 PM EST reply actions  

It looks like they are willing to accept a lot of losses next year with the goal of getting significantly better in the long run (we hope). The team is getting broke up a bit. BY shedding players without clear replacements in mind says to me that they would rather be bad for a year than go on as is.

radical.

by Bill Frank on Feb 27, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

This may sound horrible, but if we have a really bad year next year and then draft a franchise QB and have a good draft that would make our team better in the long run, I’d be at peace with that.

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I would sadly be ecstatic with a 3-13 season just so that it would put the Bills into position to grab Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett, etc…

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by UZ on Feb 28, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Sadly thats why I’d be at peace with it,

The more I see, the les I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s why I can’t fathom any Bills fan having a “WIN IMMEDIATELY” attitude. Say they have a fluke year somehow and go 9-7 but miss the playoffs and have a bad draft position… Is that really something to build upon?

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by UZ on Feb 28, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Anymore talk of WR and I set fire to the goalposts....

and the front office.

Sorry, but I have had several glasses of some very fine red…and all I want to see is Line..Line…Line…Line…Line……………………..in this draft. Mostly O line..and one nasty NT.
Throw in a thumper LB and I’m happy for now.

I know we need the franchise QB..but I’m not sure there will be one left in this class when we are on the board. Stop-gap veteran…for a year, or let Chan do what he does with what we got….and re build the line depth on both sides of the ball..and I’m completely ok with it.

Because, when this thing turns around, it should be for a while, with a real chance at making a real run… …but only with crazy good line depth on both sides of the ball..period.

You don’t win football games if you do not control the line.
We have not controlled the LOS in over a decade.

Loving the decision making so far…

now, one more glass of wine….

Buffalo Bills or Die.

by FergusVI on Feb 27, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Cheers

I’m partaking in some very fine white, thank-you, and cheers. I’m so optimistic I’m even thinking we’ll go at the very least .500. Oh that’s white wine, to clarify….

by buffalobacker on Feb 27, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

thats a depressing thought considering that just means the status quo is maintained. best case scenario? bad record next year due to Pennigton not being able to win games with his noodle anymore, while some young players show flashes of talent, and we get mallet/locker

by uPitt_BillsFan on Feb 28, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

TO

Thanks for the signing with the Buffalo Bill’s. You brought some much needed excitement to a franchise,and fanbase who quite frankly needed it. Statistically you had your worst season, but we don’t blame you. We’ll never forget your 98 yard TD reception against Jacksonville. And thank’s for maybe being the guy who got Dick Jauron fired, with your sideline rant in the Tennessee game. Hopefully you were able to impart your work ethic in James Hardy, and Steve Johnson. Best of luck in all your future endeavors. Hope you get that Superbowl ring you so obviously crave.

by mob16151 on Feb 27, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd

What a quality, succinct way to put it. Buffalo loves Terrell Owens! You gave us the best you could while you were here.

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by Dyl on Feb 27, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

completely agree. Good post…

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by bflo on Feb 28, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Though I wouldn’t of minded seeing Reed/Denney around next year, I am not surprised at all and hopefully this helps the young guys step up.

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by Ghetts on Feb 27, 2010 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks TO, as stated above

I can deal with Josh Reed, he was a solid player but his production can surely be replaced.
Denney man, not all players are made to be stars. Thanks for that 3-sack game. Godbless you guys, eight years is a solid block of time in life. We appreciate it.

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by Dyl on Feb 27, 2010 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

Now that's just emotion

a 5th receiver on most teams is a borderline NFL player or a special teams scrub. Josh Reed was a good 3rd receiver. he never really moved past the slot guy, but he overcame his drops problem, and had eight seasons of having 40 to 50 catches a season as our best chain mover.

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by Dyl on Feb 28, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I am happy

They zre saying goodbye to the old! It is timw to beinf in a new guard who is not going to accept average. Lets build for the playoffs and beyond.

by The Irishman on Feb 28, 2010 12:50 AM EST reply actions  

…..But the Irish are renowned for their sobriety! How can you besmirch their good name like this? ;)

by jj24 on Feb 28, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I love going back in the morning

And seeing how bad my typing gets after a night out. WOW!

by The Irishman on Feb 28, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Ill miss the national attention

Thanks T.O, i was at least excited a little since you were here.

by csc06258 on Feb 28, 2010 1:43 AM EST reply actions  

Well

with Denney and Reed being gone as well slowly Donahoes fingerprint’s onthe team dissapear.

by mob16151 on Feb 28, 2010 3:02 AM EST reply actions  

after a night of drinking

I can still safely say that as a life long Bills fan, thank you Terrell Owens. You made us proud. You came for one year and it wasn’t the statistical success we all hoped but it was a success nonetheless. He was classy and made us proud. From start to finish he was a good influence here. I hope TO walks away with as much love for the city and fans as we gave him. It was awesome to have a hall of famer here in the midst of our struggles was a blessing.

Josh Reed, I’ll miss you brother. As much hate as we gave him, he always gave everything he had and on a franchise that struggles as much as us it was a welcome respite from our losing ways, I’m ready to see him go but I’m sure hes ready to go as well.

Denney, thanks for your hustle, always made us proud. A true fighter.

And finally, Buddy Nix, thank you for doing what is necessary to rebuild this franchise.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 28, 2010 3:28 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Denny seems to be more of a fit as a 3-4 end than Kelsay. If Kelsay doesn’t get cut he will serve absolutely NO purpose on this team. He is not big enough for a 3-4 end and cannot play OLB. With the money he is due I am VERY shocked he hasn’t been cut yet. If he stays, its another reason to why the Bills suck.

by csc06258 on Feb 28, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

If Kelsay doesn’t get cut he will serve absolutely NO purpose on this team.

I think Nix will try to use Kelsay as trade bait and then, if no one wants him, will cut him.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 28, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

They are going to try Kelsay at OLB.

I still don’t understand why people are saying guys should get cut right now. Why not let Gailey get his eyes on them in OTAs, minicamp, and training camp before deciding?

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's a question......

Would the dropping of the 2 receivers be an indication that the org. is planning on FINALLY getting Parrish more involved in the offense? I know he’s recently been dropping balls but the guy still is a playmaker, esp. in the open field. I’ve always felt they never took advantage of his skills properly. Also, since it was said that they would adapt their scheme of play to the strengths of the players.

by blknites on Feb 28, 2010 5:31 AM EST reply actions  

Here’s another question: Name one reciever, in the mold of Roscoe Parrish, that is successful in the NFL?

Returning punts and playing wide receiver are night and day. Roscoe Parrish is a special teams player, and nothing more. He seems to be on the decline as a returner, as well.

by jj24 on Feb 28, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Name one reciever, in the mold of Roscoe Parrish, that is successful in the NFL?

Put “Can you” in tront of that. Now, it’s a question!

by jj24 on Feb 28, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

In stature they’re the same, true. However, Desean Jackson doubled Parrish’s receiving numbers in college(Jackson played in one more game 36 to 35), and has already proven himself a legit receiver in the NFL. By comparing Parrish to Jackson, there’s only further proof that Parrish’s deficiencies(route running and hands) are what will always keep him from being an effecive receiver in the NFL.

I get that both of them are small, but that’s where the similarities end. Jackson is simply a much more polished receiver, and a much more talented one.

by jj24 on Feb 28, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I still have to disagree with you on that because Jackson was used differently than Parrish in the offense. He is viewed as a special teams guy because they wanted him for ST not as a receiver. That’s his main complaint….not given enough of a chance on the offense.
As far as your question JJ…..one receiver that comes to mind is Steve Tasker. Jim Kelly always wanted to get him in the game as a wideout and when they did he contributed greatly. Very good receiver underutilized because of ST.

by blknites on Feb 28, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Parrish can complain all he wants. It’s not going to make him a better receiver. If he were good enough, we would have seen it by now. His poor performances are not because of a lack of playing time, or the way he is used. I would be more impressed with Parrish if he would take the high road, and accept some responsibilty for not performing well as a receiver and earning some playing time. Instead, he puts all the blame elsewhere.

As far as Tasker being a very good wide receiver, that’s simply……..a stretch, at best. Tasker could find the soft spot in a zone, that’s it. When the defense was busy worrying about Reed, Lofton, and Beebe, then Tasker would be reap the benefits. If Tasker had to play against a corner of safety one on one, I would take the corner or safety every time.

The comparison of Parrish to Tasker would be one I would make to confirm Parrish’s very limited abilities as a receiver.

by jj24 on Feb 28, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Parrish has been given opportunity after opportunity in this offense. He was the teams slot receiver for a couple of seasons and was the number 4 the other years meaning that he spent time in the slot when anybody was injured. He’s even started a handful of games. All he’s ever done as a WR is dissapoint.

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by kaisertown on Feb 28, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Parrish can’t play WR, maybe he can. I wouldn’t write him off just yet though. Even though you say that he’s been given many opportunities to play, you still have to consider the fact that he’s played behind a crappy QB, and a crappy O-line. You could also probably argue that the offensive coordinator did not scheme around the type of receiver he is. I’d like to think that Parrish could at least be a similar type of receiver to Welker.

by KTyczka on Feb 28, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

In 2006, with Joey Harrington spending most of the Dolphins season as the starting QB, Wes Welker lead the team in catches. They had a crappy OL and their other skill players have been journeymen types since that season. Welker caught 67 passes that year (Roscoe has 100 catches in 5 seasons). The difference between the abilities of the two players is obvious watching them play. Welker is regularly very open when Brady throws him the ball. Rarely does Roscoe have much seperation when the QB tries to get him the ball. Welker is a no nonsense player with the ball in his hands. He’s got great toughness and a willingness to take a hit to pick up a few extra yards after the catch. Roscoe tries to stop and start, dancing around to avoid hits and try to hit a homerun. The problem with Parrish is that he’s never been able to hit that homerun. Losman used to try and hit him deep, but for a player who is supposedly fast, he rarely had more than a step on the defender, presents a small target and wasn’t good at adjusting to the ball in the air. On short throws, he’s broken one big play in his entire career. Every team think their star returner can be a good player on offense, but they very rarely succeed at both special teams and offense. Roscoe is nothing more than a 4th WR and returner.

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by kaisertown on Feb 28, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh I completely agree.

Parrish is not even close when it comes to WR talent, when compared to Jackson. Im just saying their size, speed and quickness is comparable. Jackson runs much better routes, gets open, and catches the ball. Now I dont know if Parrish CANT do those things, I just know he hasnt shown he CAN. I think he’ll get one more shot to prove what he can do this year in Buffalo.

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by bflo on Mar 1, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Roscoe is not good on offense. He’s never been good on offense because he dances too much. He’s built to take a slant into the open field to the house but then teams try to throw a bubble screen to him and he dances until a LB pounds him. Two different HCs and 4 OCs couldn’t take advantage of his skills? I’d have to say Parrish is more responsible.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, considering the inept HC’s and OC’s who ran this team over these last few yrs. (including the front office) didn’t help him or possibly a few others in development. Listen, I agree with the many points brought up about stats, and comparisons and all. The point I was trying to make from the start was, under a OFFENSE minded HC (for a change) they will give him that one last opportunity. I never said he was an elite WR, but that he did show signs of being productive, however in the right scheme.
Now if they can find someone who has more potential via FA or draft….then fine. But I feel WR is not a crucial need as it is right now. Personally, I think they need to focus on beefing up the OL and DL before anything.

by blknites on Mar 2, 2010 6:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Mike Mularkey was his head coach. He’s an offensive minded guy.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m breathing a sigh of relief now that TO is gone. I know he had lots of Rumblings support, but he was always a ticking time bomb in the locker room to me. A lot of the discussion is about how he inhibited the growth of young WR, which is true, but I think he also inhibits the growth of young QBs with his demands for the ball and subsequent dropping of passes. The Bills won’t be able to replace TO as a deep threat and will have to figure out a way to block all the defenders that are going to be dedicated towards stopping their run, but hopefully, Chan and the gang will show a bit more offensive creativity than we’ve seen over the last several years.

Reed will definitely be missed by Trent. My mind always wanders back to the catch he made at the end of the Redskins game a couple years ago, but I’m thinking Chix is more interested in big receivers a la Vincent Jackson in SD. The UFA WR list looks relatively strong, so hopefully we can pick up someone decent out of that group.

I’m a bit surprised to see Denney go as people have been saying here that he would be the most reasonable 3-4 DE. Guess Chix saw it differently.

Does anyone else see any significance to these “cuts” happening during the combine?

by williamsDT on Feb 28, 2010 7:49 AM EST reply actions  

TO inhibits young QBs

I think you’re right and I bet Trent is sorry he ever texted Russ to go get him—classic careful what you ask for.
I noticed it as far back as training camp scrimages when Trent was bouncing it into a wide open TO. I think he was intimidated by him—never any positive chemistry there.

by radan on Feb 28, 2010 8:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

TO inhibits young QBs

Now that’s someone who knows of what he speaks! Besides the OL problems. one major factor in Edwards’ demise was TO! If Edwards “lost” the team it was because TO undermined him in his inimitable style! Bye Bye TO…don’t let the door hit you in the A%% on the way out!
Remember there is no TO in team…

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by fansince60 on Feb 28, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think fs60 made the case well for unstable OL → injuries, TO→ indecisive (coaches tell Trent, “you have to throw to TO,” but back of Trent’s mind says, “Jackson is open for check down” → indecision)

by williamsDT on Mar 1, 2010 5:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone else see any significance to these "cuts" happening during the combine?

No. They are all going to be free agents as of Friday and the Bills told them ahead of time like classy gents.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 1, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Josh Reed has definitely been one of my favorite Bills......

will miss him.

Hope you get a fat contract somewhere!

Later TO and Denney…….dont really care either way bout these two guys.

But they are Bills, once and forever so I will say good luck.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 28, 2010 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

Denney and Josh Reed

were both 2nd round choices, who did not deliver for being picked that high. I am glad that Nix is restructructing this team, especially when they were at the bottom in both defense and offense statistically – Now they have money they can use to sign some free agents, who play for other teams, who have talent! – As for T.O. wish him the best!

by BuffaloWhiner on Mar 1, 2010 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

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