Former Bills coaches doing well for themselves
by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 8:45 AM EST
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PrintLate Tuesday night, reports surfaced that former Buffalo Bills head coach Dick Jauron had signed on to become the new defensive backs coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. The move came 11 weeks after Jauron was fired as Buffalo's head coach on November 17; more intriguingly, Jauron becomes former Bills coach No. 12 to find new employment after the team gutted their coaching staff on January 4.
Made the scapegoats for the four most recent years of Buffalo's ten-year playoff drought, Jauron and his former staff have become hot commodities on the open market. With new Bills head coach Chan Gailey retaining three of those coaches and a further six still seeking employment a month after their release, half of Buffalo's staff has found employment - and in most cases, far more stable situations.
After the jump, an examination of who has landed where. Also, a word of warning: remember this post a year from now, when the Bills will have likely wrapped up another playoff-less season under Gailey. We can keep swapping coaches all we want, but it's pretty painfully clear at this point that the Bills' biggest issues haven't been in the coaching ranks for quite some time.
Buffalo, meanwhile, is still waiting to complete its coaching staff, as Gailey still has not made a hire at defensive coordinator, nor assigned some defensive staff members official titles.
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Good for these guys – glad they found jobs.
Yeah – the lack of talent on the roster may, just may have contributed to our sucky ways. maybe – possibly
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Pretty sure that even with all the Pining for Cowher there was around here, even he wouldn’t have been able to do anything with this mess.
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by UZ on Feb 3, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
pin that one on scouting
The coaches did get something out of the talent we have now, however those moments were few and far between. winning 20 games in the last 3 years wasn’t just a fluke.
Thinking back to last year, I went to 2 Bills games and they won both of them. They destroyed Seattle and beat San Diego pretty soundly as well. Maybe the secret to the Bills playing well is that I actually have to be there in person.
Now that I think about it, I haven’t been to a Bills loss in at least 5 years or so. They need to make me a special advisor to the whomever…just as long as I get to watch all the games live. That title even deserves my own luxury suite. They should be able to accomodate that on the road as well.
Darn you Donohoe for the last 10 years
Wonder if Bobby April had anything to do with the DJ hire in Philly?
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Pretty sure it has a lot more to do with the long-standing, respectful relationship between Jauron and Andy Reid.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
O.K.
Didn’t know that. Have they coached together before? Was this more related to the Jason Peters trade? NFL coaching fraternity?
Just wondering how you knew they had a “long-standing, respectful relationship”, G.
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They worked together in Green Bay from 1992-1994.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks Brian, good info.
I guess there is a good side to all the coaching turnover in the NFL after all.
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Donahoe?
Get a grip, man. Jauron was no scape goat. There’s a reason he’s relegated to DB coach for his friend. His hiring in Buffalo set this franchise back years and with Wilson’s skyrocketing age, the franchise may never recover. I wish Jauron nothing but worst (on the field, not off of it, obviously).
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
Wow.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
wowagree? wowdisagree? world of warcraft?
by quantumuprising on Feb 4, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
I wish Jauron nothing but worst
I’m pretty sure – disagree.
I’ll throw my 2 cents in:
DJ didn’t try to fail – he just did. He didn’t intentionally want to set the Bills back 2/3 years but he did. It wasn’t his agenda or a conniving plot against the Bills – it just happened.
I wish him nothing but the best because he’s in the NFC and is a good guy. He sucked at being a HC – well guess what – a lot of coaches suck at being a HC.
You want to look at someone who if I were a fan of that team I would wish nothing but the worst for – that’d be Nick Saban because what he did was childish.
DJ is a classy standup guy that happens to be a poor HC.
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by J2 on Feb 4, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All of them are doing good except...
George Catavolos, Bob Sanders, and Adrian White…
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by Jason from OH-IO on Feb 3, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions
Welcome back!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
It is nice to be back home… Nothing can spoil my mood, not even retention of another coach or signing of someone eligible for AARP… LOST has me euphoric!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Feb 3, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
To say Jauron is doing well is a pretty wrong statement. Going from being a HC to a low-key defensive backs coach is not exactly doing well. The fact that Jauron wanted the job as HC at Princeton and wasn’t even considered warms my heart, because there’s no way in hell that guy should EVER be considered for HC anywhere. He couldn’t coach himself out of any situation.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 3, 2010 9:23 AM EST reply actions
I know for a fact that Jauron was in contact with at least three teams this off-season, and turned down one coordinator job. The man’s doing what he wants to do. He’s also going to be coaching for a playoff team.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but to state that he’s doing well for himself is in my opinion not a correct a statement and if you “know for a fact” that he turned down a DC-job (which I highly doubt), you can sure that it was one of the crappy jobs, like the DC-job in Tampa.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 3, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
You can highly doubt it if you want, but it’s true. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
that he’s doing well for himself is in my opinion not a correct a statement
The Bills do owe him 6 Million still, so I’d say he’s doing pretty good.
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Knowing what I know about Brian, he’s not boastful nor does he make stuff up. If he said Jauron was offered a job, he was offered a job.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I’m not sure I’ve ever disagreed with one of Brian’s posts this much.
I’m confused as to what the point of the post is. So Jauron, a former head coach, gets hired as a defensive backs coach and that means he didn’t deserve to get fired from a head coaching position? There is constant reshuffling and cycling of NFL coaches; that doesn’t mean they didn’t do a craptacular job in their last position.
and in most cases, far more stable situations.
Short of the Raiders, is there a situation in the NFL that is less stable than the Bills? Short of the Raiders, is there a situation in football that is less stable than the Bills right now? Taking a position at Orchard Park High School offers more job stability and security than the Buffalo Bills.
We can keep swapping coaches all we want, but it’s pretty painfully clear at this point that the Bills’ biggest issues haven’t been in the coaching ranks for quite some time.
I don’t think anyone is disputing that the Front Office has been the biggest issue for a long, long time. That doesn’t mean the coaches weren’t a problem too. Many of us, myself included, have taken issue with the way the Bills handled the Front Office “restructuring” this year. Many of us, myself included, were hopeful the Bills would get rid of Jauron and anyone else that has touched the Bills for the past 10+ years. That obviously didn’t happen. And I’m not naive enough to think that just because Jauron is gone, that our problems are solved. That also doesn’t mean that if we don’t make the playoffs this year, or next year, or the next year, that Jauron should be vindicated for being a horrible game day coach.
Does Turk Schonert have a job? AVP went from Offensive Coordinator back to Quarterbacks coach. Jauron has been on the job market for nearly three months, and he ended up as a position coach. I don’t see how that can be used a reason that he was a “scapegoat” or even proof that he was a capable or even qualified head coach in this league.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
by thatguy34 on Feb 3, 2010 9:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure where we’re disagreeing. The point of the post is to comment on the fact that the highly volatile coaching turnover not just in Buffalo, but in the NFL in general, is ridiculous. Buffalo has had a LOT of good coaches pass through its doors over the past decade, but the team still stinks. That is the point I’m trying to make, and it’s pointed directly at the folks who think that a good coach will solve everything. (I know, there aren’t many of those folks kicking around anymore.)
I never said Jauron didn’t deserve to get fired, nor will I ever. He was 24-33 as our head coach. But too many people equate that to “he’s a bad coach,” and that drives me absolutely bonkers. You also focus your argument on the positions these men have assumed, and yes, they’re all either lateral moves or moves down the coaching ladder. When you’re coming from a bad team, that’s likely to happen. One of the bigger points here is to illustrate that a LOT of these guys are sticking in the league, though, which proves that they belong, and indicates the level of respect the league in general has for their coaching abilities.
Nor did I say that the coaches weren’t part of the problem – that’s obviously true from organizational philosophy and, in the Jauron regime’s case, player acquisition standpoints – but again, that doesn’t mean they’re bad coaches. The main problem is the front office (and the owner), as you alluded to, and the coaches kind of flying by the seat of their pants trying to coach players that, in many critical cases, shouldn’t be doing what they’re doing.
Maybe I’ve gotten one too many emails or read a few too many comments along the lines of “this coaching staff is a joke,” and maybe I was lashing out a little bit here as a result. The whole situation just bugs me. I was not a fan of the way the entire staff was treated, from Jauron’s strangely-timed firing and subsequent team photoshop omission, to April getting the interim shaft, to the strange manner in which the entire staff was dismissed hours after the season ended. These are good football coaches, and they’re lucky the Buffalo Bills didn’t completely screw up their careers. There’s a lot of respect for these guys league-wide, and as loyal as I am as a fan of this team, I don’t think they could have handled the transition from staff to staff much worse. I suppose that was my point, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
DJ
Excellent points, it shows the respect the staff had by being hired so quickly. Like the old saying goes “You can’t make Silk out of a Sow’s ears”, Nix and Cooter Gailey would appreciate that…
Question?
With DJ getting hired how does it affect what the Bills owe him on the last years of his contract?
As Wyatt Earp once said "You tell 'em I'm coming! And Hell's coming with me you hear! Hell's coming with me! ~
Good question. I don’t know the answer, and we’ll probably never know. If I had to guess, I’d guess that Ralph has to make up the difference between what his salaries would have been in Buffalo and what Philly will pay him.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Gaughan concurs
“The Bills still are believed to owe Jauron $3 million for each of the next two years. They now can subtract from that total whatever he’s making with the Eagles, which might be in the $300,000 range per year.”
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps I misread the post, or am just in a particularly bad mood today, but I think calling them “scapegoats” makes it appear as though they weren’t at fault. They were most definitely at fault. There were a number of other people at fault as well, but that doesn’t make the coaches devoid of fault.
It appears your post was focused on those that made general statements like “these coaches suck.” Certainly, that is simplifying the issue. But, it’s just much easier to quickly type “these guys suck” vs “Some of these guys, Jauron included, are pretty horrible at specific portions of their current position and their records here and elsewhere reflect that. Now, that doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of coaching football players, just that things like game day management, game preparation, and play calling are well above their current abilities. And yes, I still recognize our front office is horrible and our 90 year old, meddling owner needs to take a back seat because the game has obviously passed him by.” If I ever said the former, I apologize. It was only because I was too lazy to type out the latter. =)
Clearly, these guys are capable of coaching, but I don’t think I would put a ton of merit on the fact they found jobs elsewhere. There’s always reshuffling of coaches in the NFL. That doesn’t mean there aren’t ones in positions they don’t belong.
We can certainly agree on the last point. From a business perspective, the staff was treated like crap. The photoshop omission was embarrassing and bush-league. But, at this point, I’m not sure I expect much more from Ralph and the Bills. Much of what the Bills have done over the last 10 years, from a strictly business point of view, has been bush league.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
by thatguy34 on Feb 3, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Re: “scapegoat” – I certainly didn’t mean that they were blameless. Far from it. Just that that’s where the one major change occurred. Again. That is the scapegoat.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Jauron was never a scapegoat. He was a horrible HC known for making bone-headed decisions on gameday, which cost the team quite a few times over the years. In addition, he ran some of the easiest camps in the NFL and never put enough emphasis on building a team that fitted the Buffalo-weather.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 3, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say he was. I said the staff, and previous staffs, in general were, while nothing big changed at the top.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 3, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
The Bills are a running joke....a dysfunctional mess....
….almost as dysfunctional as my own family. Maybe that’s why I love (or am stuck with) The Bills as much as I am.
your family can't stop the run either?
i know my family lacks linebacker depth.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 3, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think I’d say the coaches were ‘hot commodities’, as no one is above where they were before and many took a step back, but the coaching carousel is normal for solid coaches in the NFL.
The problem is talent, but overall the coaching wasn’t where it needs to be either under DJ.
by Pistol on Feb 3, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
agreed, rec'd... Coaching was a part of the problem.
I thought “hot” commodities went for more than their worth….for example a hot DC becoming a HC. Almost all of these were down grades or lateral moves.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
J.T. Allaire
Reading his name again makes me realize that we have yet to hire this “coach” position on our staff and it could be one of the MOST VITAL CHOICES for our staff. My friends and I commented on how “soft” our team seemed to be when it came to tackling, physicality, and the numerous injuries. I realize a lot of this has to do with technique, mental attitude, and luck… however, I have to believe that guys developing themselves into elite athletes to take on the rigors of a 17 game schedule, etc. need SOLID and PROFESSIONAL Strength and Conditioning coach(es) to help them develop and become these elite stars.
I don’t know anything about Allaire, nor any of the other guys around the league to know if they are “good” coaches for this or not. I DO KNOW that Rusty Jones was a solid S&C Coach here for a long time and since his departure, we have struggled a lot with injuries, 4th quarter meltdowns, bad luck, etc.
Hopefully Chan has a some SOLID coach(es) in mind and that we can really turn things around in the Strength and Conditioning of our Bills Players.
by dabillsr1 on Feb 3, 2010 10:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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completely agree. I believe he should have been one of the first to be shown the door. Injuries like Wood’s are just bad luck. But injuries to ankles, groins and hamstrings are all preventable.
I dislike Allaire as much as the next guy, but you can’t prevent any injury to any part of the body unless that part is subtracted from the body. I bet if you were to look around the league, the Bills may not have been in short company with injuries.
But yes, i’m glad pudgy-faced J.T. is gone.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 3, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
you're right
you cant totally prevent injuries from happening. But you can do a helluva lot better job than JT did. Thats all I’m saying.
If trained correctly you can significantly reduce the probability of injuring yourself through proper off-season workouts.
The main problem is the front office (and the owner)
I think that pretty well sums it up. I think this year will tell. If Nix is given “free reign” (the only time Raplh doesn’t like FREE) and his eye for talent is what it’s said to be, we should see improvement. On the other hand, if Ralph exerts leverage and changes draft decisions, we are destined to continue as a dysfunctional mess. That will serve to vindicate the coaches who have gone before.
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I wish there was a magic wand that could be used to fix the front office and ownership issues. Maybe the team could morph into an Etch-A-Sketch and everything would start anew.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 3, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
For the most part it looks like reverse “Peter Principle” playing itself out.
by radan on Feb 3, 2010 10:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
why hold out on DC?
One has to think we are waiting for the super bowl to end, any thoughts on who we are waiting for?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 3, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Likely a college coach, I think. Probably won’t be somebody most of us have ever heard of.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 3, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
hm…didn’t think about that. However, one could always hope..
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 3, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
You know, just wanted to say that when I brought up our lack of a good strength and conditioning coach earlier this year, I got dumped on.Now look at the guy we had. nobody will touch him.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 3, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I read the signing day theories
waiting for college recruits to commit and then bailing makes me sceptical of the guy we’re getting. I would prefer to think it’s an NFL positon person on one of the 2 SB teams.
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by fansince60 on Feb 3, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im still on the Brian Jean-Mary boat...........
my “guess”
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 3, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Probably the greatest thing that ever happen to all these coaches......
getting the heck outta dodge……….away from this trainwreck.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 3, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Trying to think of any SB coach’s that would take the job.Can’t think of any Saints ones, does Indy have any candidates?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 3, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Vitt (NO), Mike Murphy (Indy), Alan Williams (Indy), B. Teerlinick (Indy)
are all qualified and ready for the DC opportunity. Bears already interested in Williams. My guess is that it is Vitt, followed by Murphy.
Hey Brian, where's Turk Schonert now?
assistant bagging coordinator at Dollar General?
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Good article, I agree
This is similar to what I was trying to get at with my Fanshot comparing Jauron vs Gailey a few weeks back.
If you think that all of a sudden switching out one coach for another with similar (maybe slightly improved) credentials will fix everything, that is flawed thinking.
Give another coach the similar teams and situations as the last 4 years, and maybe you can get 1, maybe 2 more wins per season, which is still not good enough for the playoffs (usually).
All I can say
is that I will never say Dick Jauron is not a good HC, and so THERE TAKE THAT PEOPLE! It’s a simple story. Ralph believes in being lucky. The Pats, Colts, Steelers, Ravens to name a few believe in running an organization with talents, innovative, creative, philosophical minds that are ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. We have Russ Brandon and Buddy Nix and now Chan Gailey. Here’s to hoping banging different heads against the same wall results in “luck.”
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by MARVelous on Feb 3, 2010 1:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Just because our coaches
got jobs quickly in other organizations doesn’t mean they didnt deserve a huge amount of blame. The job they did here wasn’t good enough. Now they are all coordinators or position coaches elsewhere with different responsibilities and probably less input from the get go than they had here after a few seasons.
All this proves is that we had good football minds but they couldn’t put it all together.
We knew this.
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and to add
Perry Fewell is probably doing the best out of all of them.
He got a lot of hate two years ago and a lot of love last year but its interesting how we never gave Dick Jauron credit or blame for the defense. Hes the defensive mastermind and should have gotten as much credit as Fewell for last years ball hawking defense. Just like Chan Gailey will sink or swim with our offense.
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by poz on Feb 3, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Jauron was very involved in the draft process...
For better or worse (and it was much more of the latter). He was to share in the blame for the lack of talent he was able to field. He was also rotten and predictable when he injected himself in the play-calling….
Good luck in Philly Jauron, i never questioned his ability with d-backs, who are now quite good in buffalo, largely thanks to him.
Plain and simple, Jauron failed at being a HC for the Wilson/Brandon Bills.
Sh!t runs downhill, and in this case it starts at the very top. Just ask Bill Polian about it. Somebody should send Nix and Gailey a couple umbrellas.
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by dzil on Feb 3, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
rec'd.....and some tall boots
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
dj to philly
The first thought that popped into my head when I read that DJ was heading to philly was what a contract in styles there is between the attacking blitzes Jim Johnson was famous for and DJ’s bend, but don’t break tampa 2. It will be interesting to see what direction the eagles go next year with their defense.
Jauron said he was eager to learn about the blitzing and attacking style.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Biron and the other Sabre went to Philadelphia. Peters, Jaron, April. A lot of Buffalo ends up there (here).
Since Gailey has been hired I've wondered..
Would DJ still be here if He had reached out to Chan to be the OC here?.Our last draft was really great and now with Nix as GM I can see things getting better yet..I think this team will really miss Kuglar coaching the O Line..We really smoked the coaching staff here,and for the most part we needed to,but still,some of those guys were OK..
DJ will do Fine in Philly..Defense is His “thing” and He’s good at that.Calling plays on Offense made Him look REALLY BAD though,and promoting AVP was just a terrible call..In my opinion anyways..
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Check out that photo. Remember Dick's brief september makeover?
the fly sunglasses? the fresh white hooded sweatshirt?
I hope Chan brings some southern with him to the sidelines with a big ole Spurrier visor.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
Jauron’s title is “Senior Defensive Assistant/Defensive Backs Coach”. :-) Does that make it better, everyone?
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