Bills hire George Edwards as defensive coordinator
by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 1:48 PM EST
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PrintAdam Schefter at ESPN is reporting that Buffalo Bills head coach Chan Gailey has tabbed George Edwards as his defensive coordinator. The Bills have announced the hire as well.
Roughly a month ago, on January 8, Edwards was named a co-defensive coordinator at the University of Florida after a five-year stint as a linebackers coach with the Miami Dolphins. Less than four weeks later, Edwards will return to the NFL.
Edwards, 43, has coached in the NFL since 1998 with four different teams. Prior to his stay in Miami, Edwards was an assistant defensive coordinator and linebackers coach with Washington before getting promoted to defensive coordinator. He then spent a year as the linebackers coach in Cleveland before heading to Miami. Edwards got his first NFL job from none other than Chan Gailey, who hired him as his linebackers coach in 1998. Edwards spent four seasons in that post.
Prior to his NFL experience, Edwards was the defensive line coach at the University of Georgia, where he coached current Bills defensive tackle Marcus Stroud. In all, Edwards has 19 years of coaching experience.
Most importantly of all, Buffalo will be running a 3-4 alignment under Edwards, who confirmed the switch to BuffaloBills.com:
"Defensively, we will start from a 3-4 alignment," said Edwards. "But we will do what we feel is best for our players. We are not going to give anything away about exactly what we will do, but personnel will dictate what you can and what you can't do. As far as the initial alignment, the 3-4 is what we will start off with and we will adjust from there.
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Odd that he took the job for not even a month before leaving…
And the guy is young – that’s a change for this staff!
by Posluszny Pollocks on Feb 4, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Another indication that we're going to the 3-4?
Might be, he’s a 3-4 LB coach isn’t he?
Acctually I know nothing about this guy short of the wiki post on him. Can anyone help out?
PS thatguy34 beat you to the punch in the fanshot section.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions
Haha. I almost put in my FanShot: “I’m sure Brian is writing a post about this as we speak and will subsequently rip down this FanShot, but thought I would beat him to the punch.”
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
well this could go either way
I think he was initially a 4-3 linebackers coach with Nick Saban in a 4-3 then Bill Parcells decided to keep him and make inside linebackers coach in 3-4.
Looks like we still dont have answers to our defensive scheme.
Either way, this is great news for Paul Posluszny. Edwards supposedly is a great MLB teacher.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Lavar Arrington had his best year under Edwards' tutelage
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Maybe he can do something with Lavar’s mentee Maybin then too. He’s also coached Stroud before too.
I wonder if he will try to bring Joey Porter in?
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I really think we should expect Joey Porter now.
Its almost too perfect.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
He needs to be released first....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
oh i know
but he was on the Jim Rome show last week just running his mouth about how the Dolphins should just let him go because if they keep him he just won’t be happy and will be annoying. And we all know how annoying Porter is even when hes not trying to be. I dont think a team would want that around.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
As Porter said...
The Gloves is Off
No Joey, the gloves ARE off.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what makes them the biggest guys on the field."
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Unfortunately, Joey missed “Subject-verb agreement” day in 4th grade.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
Joey Porter
He said on Francessa the other day that he wants to go to a west coast team and he specifically mentioned Arizona and San Diego. This is an older guy who wants to win right away. Also, you’d think Miami would try and trade him before releasing him and they probably wouldn’t want to face a vengeful Joey Porter twice a year. I’d be absolutey shocked if the Bills were able to get him.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 4, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
did i miss something
why is joey pissed?
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
playing time
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Phins want him in a rotational role along with Cam Wake. Porter thinks he’s still good enough to be an every down player and wont accept a rotational role. As a result, the Phins have been said to be comfortable with making Cam Wake their starter instead of Porter.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
He didnt want to be rotated in and out
To make way for the young guys, he wants to be a starter.
I wouldnt be shocked at all if we cut him out-right
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I would love to get Porter on a 1 or 2 year deal. You know, just a stop gap to help us make the transition to the 3-4.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
He’s coached both 4-3 and 3-4 teams. Speculation runs rampant!
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I’m very confident we’re moving to the 3-4 now and quite frankly I think it’s the right move. No more small, wussy, Dick Jauron DB’s playing LB. Let’s get a big, powerful football team and get the job done.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 4, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dude…. did you not read my post? You don’t need wussy LBs in a 4-3 either.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
The players in the scheme are more important than the actual scheme. We’re all sick of the Tampa 2, but when the Bucs were loaded on defense, it worked just fine.
by tm on Feb 4, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
We can get big and powerfull in a 4-3 also. Just look at the Vikings, Giants and Saints.
Personally I hope that if we do switch to the 3-4 that we do it progressively, with next year staying in the 4-3. We are not suited at all for the 3-4 right now.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No more small, wussy, Dick Jauron DB’s playing LB. Let’s get a big, powerful football team and get the job done.
How does that relate in any way to whether a defense is 4-3 or 3-4? That sounds like Jauron didn’t know how to draft big, fast linebackers only small slow ones. Besides if Poz and Mitchell were healthy, 2 out of 3 of our LB’s would be good NFL size.
so we just rehired Perry Fewell........
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 4, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
at least his twin
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like his younger brother tto me.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
he's black
that’s about all…i suppose he’s a bit chubby-cheeked too…
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
there really is no semblance at all.
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Looks like a former player
with that busted up bridge of the nose
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You’re not kidding. Did it get chopped off and re-attached? That is rough.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yay?
Boo?
I don’t really know. Haha.
He’s young, at least!
He’s been a DC for one year, and it was a pretty bad year for the Redskins defense. I guess we’ll have to wait and see what his plans for the scheme are. He has worked in both systems, so it’s anybody’s guess at this point!
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
His single season as Washington's DC:
5th in the league in scoring defense
3rd in yards allowed
Not bad; also up from 24th and 25th respectively the previous year. Gregg Williams replaced him the following year.
Wrong season
The 2003 Redskins were 24th in points allowed and 25th in yards allowed. Old friend Gregg Williams was the DC in that much better season that you listed….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
You've got them mixed up.
He was the DC in 2003 when they were 24th and 25th. Williams was hired in 2004.
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Confirmed: Edwards will be running the 3-4.
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WOW!
COOL!
Gonna be a rough transition but this is great for Maybin!
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt like the Maybin pick
because all the scouts were touting him as the best 3-4 tweener. And we took him as a traditional end. He obviously wasnt ready for that. This could be great for him to utilize his best skills – his burst and speed off the edge.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Thats also why I don’t see us keeping Schobel. We don’t need two strickly rushing OLB’s. We would be too predictable.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not even on obvious passing downs? I’m willing to be predictable once in a while if the results are good!
Get the Bills back to the big game!
Ugh.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 4, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Matt likes change!
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
His sig is “YES WE CHAN.” Now, he can change it to “Change I don’t believe in”
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
Please no pplitics, it wont go anywhere pretty.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it was a joke, and wasn’t even really about politics.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, sorry CBF. While it was pulled from politics, it really had nothing to do with politics. No offense meant.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
lol, no offense taken, just latly politics and religion have come up a lot, and they have caused a lot of “disagreements”
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
thats because if the Bills start winning
we’ll all be optimists and then MRW will have to become the pessimist around here and Matt’s a nice guy, he doesnt want to be a downer!
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not exclusive of a 3-4. I wanted bigger and stronger linemen and linebackers in a 4-3.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
And wouldn't that taken a major rebuild too?
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i’m with u K – roster needs to be rebuilt anyways – not time like the present
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by J2 on Feb 4, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
One stud linebacker moves Ellison to a backup where he’s been fine in the past.
One rotational, guy of the future DT.
One DE.
How is that a major rebuild?
Poz and Mitchell are big enough. Schobel and Stroud are big enough but need replacements in the future, not today.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not today
But the future is a lot sooner than you seem to want to admit.
I guess I could never get behind making a few changes to a defense that for the most part was consistently pushed around…
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I’m not naive enough to think they will be around three years from now in any system. But the Bills needed to have an offense-focused draft and now they need to fill the most important and difficult to fill position on a 3-4 defense. Plus virtually none of the current front 7 are going to be any better than average in a 3-4 whereas Schobel, Williams, Stroud were at least that.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well then I guess we'll just have to disagree and leave it at that!!
This is more than a one year rebuild job, and that’s how I’ve felt for a while. I don’t expect this team to compete much next year, so I can deal with what’s being done. I just hope it works out.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
We can agree to disagree. As you’ve said before and I agree, the Bills need elite players and they aren’t on the team. I think you’re literally starting from 0 in the front 7 now. I don’t think any of them translate well to the move. At least in the 4-3 I thought Williams was good, Poz and Mitchell were solid enough, and Stroud would be OK for another year or two. In the 3-4 we have zero effective players.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I still disagree with most that Williams is going to be ineffective as a 3-4 DE. Yes his arms are short, but his penetratic speed compensates for that. I think that if we us him in a Arizona Hybrid type deffence and put him in the same 1 gap role that Darnell Dockett has with the Cards that Williams would do VERY well for us.
Basicly it all depends on the type of 3-4 that we use. A traditional 3-4 would be a DISASTER for us. Luckily I don’t see Edwards being stupid enough to try to do that. And Arizona Hybrid D with Stroud and Williams as 1 gap DE’s, Schobel and Maybin as rushing OLB’s and Mitchell and Poz in the middle and all we are really missing is a NT (yes I know, HUGE need and i agree) and another OLB to go opposite Schobel/Maybin. We really wouldn’t be that far off.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I still disagree with most that Williams is going to be ineffective as a 3-4 DE. Yes his arms are short, but his penetratic speed compensates for that. I think that if we us him in a Arizona Hybrid type deffence and put him in the same 1 gap role that Darnell Dockett has with the Cards that Williams would do VERY well for us.
he’s a football player – he shouldn’t have been a starting DT for us but guess what? he’s good enough and I’d bet a pretty penny that he’d be fine as DE in a 3-4.
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by J2 on Feb 4, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
He was a Pro Bowl alternate but he wasn’t good enough to start at DT for us?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hey some ppl think that Williams should be a rotational backup. And no matter how well he play’s they’ll always think it. I’ve given up arguing with them. You probably should too.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
no – it was a popular idea that he wasn’t good enough. he is tho – meaning – some didn’t think he was good enough to be a starting DT in this league – now he’s a pro bowl alternate.
I think he can rise to the occasion again and be an effective DE in a 3-4
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by J2 on Feb 5, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
zero?
Reactionary?
In order for us to be at absolute scratch, you have to be positive of several things:
- Stroud can’t play nose
- Stroud can’t play 3-4 end
- Maybin would have turned it around at end
- Maybin will flop at OLB
- Schobel wasn’t going to retire
- Williams can’t play 3-4 end
- Spencer Johnson can’t play 3-4 end..
and on and on it goes. Frankly, I think you’re probably half right. Which leaves us with 3-4 holes in the front 7, which is just about where we were relative to an effective 4-3.
If you’ve been on the website you know I’ve been thinking about this for a while. It’s not reactionary.
- Stroud can’t play nose for 16 games. Not at his age and on his ankles.
- Stroud might be able to play 3-4 end but for how long? He’s not exactly young and his quickness looked like it’s starting to fade, something a 3-4 end needs.
- I’m not saying Maybin would have turned it around at end but it’s the same with him at OLB, isn’t it? Virtual unknown.
- Schobel has one or two years left anyways plus he’s said he might be better in a 3-4.
- Williams can probably play 3-4 end but will he be as good at that spot as he was at DT? Unlikely.
- Spencer Johnson is the closest guy on your list to being an actual 3-4 DL. If he was going to be such a great starter, why did he sign in Buffalo when he was a free agent as the third guy in a DT rotation?
Which guys do you think don’t need to be replaced?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
the question is
who now needs to be replaced – but didn’t need to be replaced before…
Let’s remove Schobel from the equation because I don’t expect him to return, and didn’t expect him to return regardless of what front we use.
To answer your question, Williams is the only one. Williams production might be off because of this, but that’s an unknown.
Stroud was less than spectacular in ‘09. At this point in his career you can’t expect him to improve year over year (unless you change his role).
Spencer Johnson didn’t get enough reps. This will help him get on the field more.
Chris Kelsay. Overpaid and probably should be cut regardless of what front you use.
Ryan Denney. ’nuff said.
Chris Ellis. ?
We needed to blow this front 7 up, and we finally DID! I’m psyched… knowing full-well that there’s going to be significant growing pains to endure.
Who needs to be replaced that was acceptable before: Williams, Poz, Stroud. Virtually every backup LB, not that that’s a huge loss.
The bigger question is who fits? Mitchell, Spencer Johnson, Maybin…
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
im still not getting it
Stroud might be able to play 3-4 end but for how long? He’s not exactly young and his quickness looked like it’s starting to fade, something a 3-4 end needs.
This concern is just as valid as when he was playing DT. Stroud doesn’t have to be replaced in a 3-4 but his replacement has to be drafted. The same thing would have happened if he was playing DT.
I’m not saying Maybin would have turned it around at end but it’s the same with him at OLB, isn’t it? Virtual unknown.
This is a wash. Maybin has to start no matter what because Schobel is leaving. No change here whether its at DE in a 4-3 or OLB in a 3-4. Except that he may be better suited for a 3-4 OLB.
Who needs to be replaced that was acceptable before: Williams, Poz, Stroud.
I disagree with all three of these but I can grant you Williams. Lets go one by one:
Stroud – In a 3-4 DEs need to be able to be strong at the point of attack to defend their run gaps making size and strength desirable as well as the ability to beat double teams to free up blitzing LBs. Marcus Stroud has great size and strength, we have seen him occupy multiple blockers, still has athletic speed for a man his size when he isn’t gased, and has long and powerful arms to toss blockers and force his way into disrupting a play. Stroud also has been good at getting his long arms up to bat down passes which is something Green Bay’s DEs utilized very effectively. You say that Marcus no longer possess the rare burst and speed for a man his size that he once did but I disagree. I think he still flashes it when he isn’t tired so he’d need a rotational player. And while he certainly has lost some of that rare burst and athleticism that isn’t that much of a factor for a DE in a 3-4 as it would be in a 4-3. 3-4 ends are limited almost entirely to the line and are never really used in space so athleticism and lateral ability aren’t as important. I think between his power, size, and long arms, ability to shed blockers and occupy double teams, that Stroud will be a really really good 3-4 DE for two years.
Poz – Why does Poz have to be replaced? ILBs in a 3-4 need to be able to cover by seeing how passing routes develop and putting themselves in a position to make plays. They also have to be able to read running plays and get to running gaps not occupied by linemen or blockers but that the running back will be trying to shoot through. Poz has great instincts, can cover well, and has great lateral ability to get to running lanes in a 3-4. He just needs a compliment to take care of all the ILB duties that Poz isn’t so great at. Taking on a lineman that gets through to the second level or a fullback or tightend and shedding the block to force a running back to alter his lane or go down and being able to blitz up the middle to help disguise where the rush is coming from. Rolando McClain should be able to do that well and there are guys like Larry Foote that can fill in for a year if we don;t get a guy who can do that. Poz is fine, he will be great in a 3-4, he just needs a big block shedder next to him.
Williams – Williams has good size, is intense, hard working, has pretty good block shedding moves that we saw this year, and can get leverage on blockers. He should be just fine at 3-4 DE. Even if his stubby arms and perhaps to large frame limit him, Williams is perfect trade bait to a 4-3 team. Is it really that hard to envision Williams being traded for Mathias Kiwanuka? Perry Fewell would want Kyle, the Giants badly need 4-3 DTs to anchor their D-line, Osi is publicly complaining about having to rotate playing time. Kiwi is a luxury the Giants can’t even use. Kyle for Kiwi is a great trade for both parties and would fix an OLB position for us. Even if we don’t get a player for him, Kyle should fetch some good draft picks. That being said I still believe he can play 3-4 end very well.
I really don’t see what your so upset about. We were going to have to get a 4-3 end in the draft anyway, something which is much harder to find that 3-4 end, a linebacker, and a DT. This is no different.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think Stroud’s age and wear and tear will be much more noticeable at the DE spot than the DT spot he was playing.
Poz needs to be replaced because without Vince Wilfork in the middle he’s going to have to take on and shed a blocker. That’s not something he’s shown he can do.
I’m not upset. I’m disappointed. And a good NT is harder to find than just about every position.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
disagree on this HUGE point
And a good NT is harder to find than just about every position.
Than just about every position EXCEPT 4-3 DE…. which is how we arrive exactly where we are.
How long are we going to retread this 4-3? It’s aged and impotent.
OBD’s inability to find adequte ends (besides Schobel) has been their biggest weakness since….. we ran a 3-4, all them years ago.
The Chiefs used Ron Edwards at NT this year. There are a lot more talented 4-3 DEs out there than NTs.
The Bills defense didn’t stink because they lacked a great DE opposite Schobel.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
you're probably in the minority with that opinion
at least i hope so.
right after “No QB” comes “No pass rush from the from 4” on my list of biggest reasons the Bills will not compete in the AFC East.
Well “Run Defense” comes before “Pass Rush” to me and most guys around here. The transition to a 3-4 won’t mean diddly squat to the Run D without a new NT.
The Bills were tied for 18th in sacks. They were 30 yards away from being the worst run defense in the league. They were 18th in sacks because they were run on 535 times (2nd in the NFL) and passed on 519 times (20th).
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
won't argue about run D
…but you have to wonder how much our putrid offense that couldn’t stay on the field contributed to teams running over a thousand plays against us.
I suspect we will struggle in ’10 with the run. I hope that we will improve tremendously by ’11 and have a full compliment of 3-4 fits and an effective offense by ’12.
heh. sorry i try to avoid it but poz, but i gotta
He just needs a compliment to take care of all the ILB duties that Poz isn’t so great at. Taking on a lineman that gets through to the second level or a fullback or tightend and shedding the block to force a running back to alter his lane or go down and being able to blitz up the middle to help disguise where the rush is coming from.
so as long as he doesn’t have to interact with anyone on offense besides the ball carrier or a wide receiver, Poz will be great in the 3-4…
I’m not going to hijack the thread, but that’s quite a whole lot of the ILB’s responsibility that poz needs someone to cover for him. That said, 3-4 ILB is poz’s best chance at being a really good player.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 4, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Same here. I didn’t expect for the Bills to leave the bottom third of the league (aka another top ten pick next year too) so if Nix, Gailey and Co. want to switch to a 3-4 now’s as good a time as any. Our D would have been bad in either alignment anyways. Ok sure they might have been a bit better in a 4-3, but in the long run it doesn’t make much of a difference.
So, while I don’t like the switch to the 3-4 and think that we are very ill equipd for it. If we are going to make the switch, in the big picture sense it is better that we do the switch earlier rather than later.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic, I just buried the /sarcasm in a tag
I’m in your camp about the whole thing. I also wonder how Poz gets wrapped up in the “too small” category around here. He’s about as typically sized as you could get for a linebacker.
POZ
3-4 ILB’s tend to be a little bigger….roughly 10+ lbs. It’s not a requirement, obviously, but just a tendency…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
He could be our coverage ILB. Stack him up against the oposing team’s best TE while we have Mitchell going on the inside.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Haha!
Let the debate rage on.
I have a feeling we’re going to see an onslaught of new mocks in the next 24 hours….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
oh god
as in the words of the great vader…. NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOOOO
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
You mean, this?
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
This is going to be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG season.
Man we are going to suck!
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Say goodbye to Aaron Schobel
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Lets hope that we can get a 3rd rounder for him
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
3 and 5 like Stroud got?
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Thats would be FANTASTIC if we could pull it off.
I`m also hoping that Edwards can help Maybin make the transition to OLB, he look very uncomfortable standing up last year.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
He looked very uncomfortable doing everything
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Hope we can get that for Stroud again!
Although he’ll probably stick as a 3-4 DE initially….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I really think the transition could be smooth
McGee – Byrd – Whitner – McKelvin
Maybin – McClain – Poz – K. Mitchell / Schobel/ C. Ellis / J. Porter / S. Merriman
Stroud – Pickett – Williams
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
ok not smooth
but not terrible
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Pickett just got a big extension.
"Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what makes them the biggest guys on the field."
- John Madden
are you sure?
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
i dont know why
but that comment reminded me of my cousin vinny. all i can imagine is marisa tomei saying that….
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahahahh
Great movie!!
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
haha i wanted to reference that line
but couldnt figure out how to spell yutes so I just passed on it. Glad you figured it out for me!
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's not smooth at all
Maybin? Who knows.
Poz at ILB? Eh, I don’t know if he has the right skills for it.
We aren’t getting Pickett apparently.
Williams isn’t a good fit at DE. Stroud might not be either.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Maybin has to be given a shot right?
we cant draft a guy at 11 and not use him. He was supposed to be the best tweener in the draft. Lets use him!
Poz with his instincts and tackling and lateral abilities could be a great ILB compliment to a big block shedder ala McClain.
I think Stroud has exactly what it takes to be a 3-4 DE, and a good one.
Williams could be a problem but Spencer Johnson could take care of it if he is.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sure he'll get a shot
but there’s no guarantee he can cut it. That’s why I don’t think it’ll be smooth.
Poz could very well succeed in the position, but you are definitely right that he needs a big thumper next to him…
I don’t know about Stroud. He just looks beat up and on his last legs. He might actually be a better fit at NT since he’s not really a penetrator anymore
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
he’s not really a penetrator anymore
….TWSS.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
by thatguy34 on Feb 4, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea Stroud isn't a penetrator anymore
but I think he could be stout against the run in a 3-4 end role. He still is a strong dude who can command double teams when he isn’t tired which is required when you only have 3 down linemen. Put Maybin behind Stroud and watch big Marcus get him in untouched a few times.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
the real key
would be having a rotational guy to use on 3rd downs or when Marcus gets tired. When Marcus is tired he really gets pushed around which would be a disaster in a 3-4.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Spencer Johnson is a pretty decent fit in a 3-4, so there’s that…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
He’s not a perfect fit, though. No one is; not even Maybin. The closest fit might be Kawika Mitchell.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I know
but as a rotational guy, he’s not a bad fit….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Not at all.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Stroud's mobility
is what concerns me about a move to DE. He looked terrible this past year in that regard. Maybe he can drop a few pounds and work on his quickness this offseason. I’m definitely not opposed to him at DE, just not sure it’s a very good fit.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
i thought i heard somewhere Stroud wont play a 3-4 end.??
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He said early in the season he wouldn’t play 3-4 NT he’d rather play end. Then Dick Jauron got fired and he knew the Bills might switch so he backed off his comments. He knows his age will catch up to him as a 3-4 NT.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that any of us want to see Stroud as a NT.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Mitchell is much better suited to play the outside than Poz is in a 3-4, because he’s bigger and he’s a better blitzer.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
right
Mitchell has the bulk to at least pretend to go up against tackles and tight ends. Poz is too small and doesnt blitz well enough.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
but what about his hair
that has to amount to something
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Poz isn’t that small. 6’1" 238
That’s about as prototypical linebacker as it gets. Maybe not ideal fora 3-4 but not too shabby. If only we had 4 Aaron Schobels
well i think in a 3-4
he is a bit small to really go at it against blockers on the outside in a 3-4. Here are some league comparison for OLB in a 3-4
Shawn Merriman 6’4 265, DeMarcus Ware 6’4 262, Bryan Thomas 6’4 266, Mike Vrabel 6’4 261, Joey Porter 6’3 255, Jason Taylor 6’6 255, Terrell Suggs 6’3 260, Lamarr Woodley 6’2 265, Clay Matthews 6’3 250
Kawika Mitchell at 6’2 255 is much more prototypical for a 3-4. Plus he is a better blitzer. Poz also doesnt shed blocks well enough.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why Poz would stay in the middle.
Man those guys you mentioned measure a lot bigger than they look on TV :)
it is incredible how big players have to be to play OLB in a 3-4
its also pretty cool how big Kawika is. He doesn’t look 20 pounds heavier than Poz on tv does he?
I really think Poz is a great piece to our ILB puzzle. He makes plays by tracking down the ball carrier, covers a lot ground, is a sure tackler, acts on great instincts and can cover well. He just needs a big “thumper” as K put it, next to him. A guy who can get after it in the muck with the big dogs on the interior line and the fullback. McClain……
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
"Getting Merriman would be awsome, but i just don’t see it happening, Too much of a big name for Chan’s liking.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
maybe
but I think Merriman won’t get a big deal. hes been only above average since his knee injury (aka steroid injury) so I think he’ll go cheap. If he bounced back great! hes only 25!
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
he’ll also be a restricted free agent unless a new CBA gets approved.
by tm on Feb 4, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
more draft picks!
im in
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Could help us trade up for a QB
or trade back into first round for a Bulaga.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
McClain at #9, Bulaga at 14. I’d go for that!
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Or...
Trent Williams at #9, Bulaga at #14, and Eric Norwood at #41, if we managed to trade back into the first and keep our second rounder.
Williams is overated IMO, and would be a stretch at 9. And I don’t see us drafting 2 tackles in the first. Starting 2 rookie tackles would be a mistake.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily
He could remain as a rush LB, rush specialist.
Say goodbye to an every down Aaron Schobel.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
ha!
Just to add. Say hello to Joey Porter. That guy wants out of Miami bad.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
i know right
but I think its a possibility now that his LB coach is here.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ehhh
Hate that guy, but he could have some value. I think it’s more likely Schobel will be here as a starting OLB than Porter….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Schobel even said a month ago he might be a better fit in the 3-4 than 4-3.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sadly resigned to the fact that he'll probably retire
But I don’t know how much this change will be a factor in his decision:
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2010/01/24/3-4-unlikely-to-affect-schobel/
The 3-4 isn't the reason we were going to suck....
But ya never know….maybe Nix will have a few tricks up his sleeve and will quickly revamp this defense….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
i was happy when he was hired at uf
but mixed feelings on it happening with buffalo. and now the switch to 3-4 seems like a huge rebuilding year…
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ha
yea im always an unrealistically optimistic person.
i knew it was rebuilding, but now its like huge rebuilding…know what i mean?
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
well I guess this could mean
if QBs are gone at 9 the pick is Rolando McClain, sign Ryan Pickett in free agency, trade back into first round to take Brandon Graham and bang presto 3-4 personnel hahaha. Gonna be a tough transition for sure. Exciting though.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nice!
After reading that bio, I think i’m excited! This could be a good hire..! Am I excited?
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Bills new defensive coordinator George Edwards is changing Buffalo’s defensive look, but it’s not necessarily a wholesale or permanent shift.
Upon being named defensive coordinator Thursday, Edwards said in a statement that "initially" their alignment will be a 3-4 front and they "will adjust from there."
Changing over from a 4-3, which the Bills have played and drafted players for over the last nine years, to a 3-4 won’t happen overnight. The two schemes require different personnel.
I believe Edwards recognizes this, which is why he’s left the door open to what I believe could ultimately be a hybrid 3-4 defense that has the ability to flex to a 4-3 at times.
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I think it'll be a combo D this season
We can’t make a full transition overnight, BUT it sure sounds like the 3-4 will be the goal with 4-3 alignments mixed in. That’s fine by me, as long as the plan to fully move to the 3-4 is actually done proactively.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
This is BS. Now we’re completely rebuilding two sides of the ball. I’m madder than I thought I would be on hearing the news.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
deep
breaths
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not pissed. Just disappointed.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
try
2004 Etude Rutherford Cabernet for the rough patches to come
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Ha. Seriously, though. Crane Lake. 4 bucks a bottle (3.60 if you buy a case). Cab and Chard. I like oaky chards but you can’t beat the price on this.
I am at school now so no drinking.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
I really don’t think this requires rebuilding on defense. I think Stroud and Williams can both play DE in a 3-4. People thoght Stroud needed to be replaced anyway with a younger DT.
We need a NT.
We already needed a LB and we still do just need one. I think Maybin is a going to be a great 3-4 OLB. Who knows, Chris Ellis could rediscover himself in a 3-4.
I think the odds of drafting Rolando McClain just went through the roof.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
yea i almost think mcclain is a lock now if the qbs are gone.
but you could also say its probably a lock for either spikes OR mcclain to be on this team next year
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
We need a LT too
I wouldn’t exactly call McClain a lock of any sort.
If one of the QB’s are sitting there, that’s a major possibility too…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
If we trade Schobel then I am very confident that we would trade back up into the first to grab an LT too.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
or terrence Cody
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
There's a lot to grab there
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
hahahaha true that is true
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Why is this BS?
The entire roster needs to be rebuilt anyhow. I’m happy that the new staff has a plan and wants to implement their own schemes and ideas.
Maybe if this had been done 4 years ago, we wouldn’t be in this situation….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
exactly
gotta start sometime
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
But it wasn’t. I think the defense was a really good LB and depth players from being a good, stout defense. Now they are a NT and OLB away from fielding a halfway competant one. I just think it’s a step back. That’s all.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't see it
our front 7 is porous. If we are going to rebuild this thing, a 3-4 is the way to do it. The smallish def we have had for 4 years leads to nothing but injuries, getting pounded against the run, and ultimately a colts defense that isn’t as good as the colts def and doesn’t play indoors on turf
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BUT WE DON"T NEED TO SWITCH SCHEMES TO GET BIGGER PLAYERS! :-) There. Maybe people will actually understand now.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
wait… you can have big players in a 4-3? How come no one mentioned this before?
by tm on Feb 4, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and disagree
This team need more than a good LB and some depth.
Stroud, Schobel, Kelsay, Denney, Mitchell, Ellison, among other were all unlikely to be Bills in a year or two anyhow. We needed to rebuild that front 7 regardless of scheme.
Sure, it might be a step back this season, but it could very well be a major step forward in a year or two. Is it the right move? Who knows. But I like it better than trying to keep the defense in place with just a simple addition or two and expecting to compete…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
All those guys were going to need to be replaced anyways. They are nowhere nearer fielding a good defense than they were in a 4-3.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
And isn't that the point?
The new staff wants to run their scheme and get their own players. I don’t really see how that’s a bad thing. Sure, it might fail, but I like that they are making moves away from the prior regime and have plans of their own.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
My biggest sticking point is the 3-4 NT. There are very few of them and many, many teams looking for a good one.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
That is a good point
but you can say the same about QB, LT, DE….oops…
That shouldn’t be a reason to keep one scheme and avoid another though.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
id much
rather have buddy nix drafting for schemes he has drafted for, for the last 10 years in SD. He knows how to draft players for a 3-4 scheme and it’s not an incredulous transition. No defense is ever built on its secondary. Sure we had the 2nd most INT’s last year, but until we get a dominant front 7 it doesn’t matter. Regardless of 3-4 or 4-3. Plus going to a 3-4 in which our entire divison plays in is only going to help our offense as they will practice against it everyday,
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by MARVelous on Feb 4, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec Rec Rec Rec. Couldn't have said it better myself Marv.
This actually kinda begs the question of the 3-4 being a requirement that Nix put in when he hired Gailey. I mean Gailey did say from the get go that he’d let the D in the hands of his coordinater and that he would handle the Offense. Maybe the 3-4 was Nix’s idea all along. Especially when you consider the Nix’s biggest drafting expirience comes in drafting 3-4’s.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with MARVelous on this one
Marv is right. We ain’t getting Pickett and Merriman (ok maybe Porter if he gets released.) But Nix is planning for this. I expect a trade in the 1st or 2nd round that will get us more picks. Our next defensive stars are college guys that 75% of us haven’t even heard of. They have to make the decision if McClain or Davis is the way to go or to get more picks for everywhere else on the Defense. I’m thinking they will make the choice to get more picks especially if they can get more than 2 for either one.
Hypothetically...
Just curious: If the Bills were willing to trade the 9th pick and every pick after the 3rd round (ie rounds 4 through 7), how many 2nd and 3rd round picks could they, hypothetically, end up with? (Assuming they can find suitable trade partners…)
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We've been band-aiding for ten years
It’s time to scrap and rebuild. Cut loose some old, high paid talent, trade some misfit players, get draft picks and put Buddy to work. 2-3 years we’ll be a beast. I really think Chan has his eye on a Jake Locker type QB and is willing to build the OL and LB corps and get our QB next year.
Confucius say, "Man who go to bed with itchy butt, wake up with smelly finger."
We’ll need the first overall pick for Locker (I know you said “type” but still)…
I like Mallett… but he reminds me slightly of Bledsoe.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Feb 4, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think Locker is first overall next year and Mallett is probably going to be a top ten guy.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
A hybrid deffence might be our best shot at a semi smooth transition to the 3/4
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
You’d think it was some kind of revelation. A Hybrid D. Really to maximize our personnel we should put up a 3-2-6 as our base alignment.
Wilson was a wide receiver. He’s a safety all the way.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
wasn't suggesting wilson should play LB
but if you are entertaining the notion of a 3-2-6, you better have players in your secondary who can play up and attack the LOS. Wilson is a tackling machine.
OK. Wasn’t sure where you were going with it.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Time to make Ryan Pickett the off-season priority
Or Casey Hampton if he is allowed to leave.
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i must research this ryan pickett person
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I 100% guarantee that Ryan Pickett will not come to Buffalo. 101%, actually.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
well then
nevermind on the research.
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
OK
nevermind then….
Any specific reason, other than he said thanks, but no thanks before???
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Nothing that I can disclose. It just won’t happen. Plus, why the heck would GB let him leave?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
BJ Raji waiting to play?
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that
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Pickett can play end, too, though. I think they’ll try to re-sign him.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Jolly was great at DE and so was Jenkins right?
Why would they need to retain Pickett? They’d be smart to let his contract walk.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Even if they do… still no Pickett to Buffalo.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
dang it Brian!!
Why can’t we get the guy we want for once?
Oh wait, we got TO.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I never wanted TO
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
I 100% guarantee that Ryan Pickett will not come to Buffalo. 101%, actually
I seem to remember that Pickett was being considered as a free agent by the Bills a few years ago.
If there’s no chance he’s coming to Buffalo he must have reneged on a verbal agreement?
If there’s no chance he’s coming to Buffalo he must have reneged on a verbal agreement?
Sounds like a pretty good guess to me. But, alas, silly Brian and his “journalistic integrity” won’t tell us the truth.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
Something like that. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Is Dan Williams a reach at 9?
Or is it wiser to trade down and see if we can nab him at say 15?
Fewell will get his replacement for Antonio Pierce and we will can get our centerpice.
Does this make any sense?
I think it's a given that we'll draft O
Gailey does not have the personnel he wants and needs. Our greatest needs are on that side of the ball. Edwards will probably be asked to do more with less, Stroud at the NT for example.
The time is coming
Oh, how the time is coming.
Oh how it’s been a long time coming.
I think you know where I’m going with this….
Arrivederci Chris Kelsay!!!
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by Kurupt on Feb 4, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHAHA
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
LT
fify
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
No. No, he does not.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
The only way he should stick around
is if he puts on 30 lbs to play 3-4 DE….and that’s not happening
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
whoa just kidding fellas....
Next time I try and lay down some more sarcasm.
I too am happy to see him go as well.
Next time
say “Pro Bowl OLB”
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Haha
or Hall of Fame…..!
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yeah
There’s a better chance I own Ralph Wilson Stadium than of Kelsay going up on the wall.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
If I did own the Bills
I would put Kelsay up on the wall. In fact, I’d name it the Chris Kelsay Wall of Fame.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Typo
You mean the Kelsay wall of shame – right ??
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
No no, he had it right, the wall of fame. Kelsey would be the depiction of this team for the last ten years. Absolute mediocracy.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Dang
How the heck did I miss that, late Friday afternoon here, long week at work, whiskey being downed. Oh wait just answered that.
Yup, I love that we took Kelsay over Osi – he does sum up the bills – he is a 7-9 player if ever I saw one !!!
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
Red Alert
we need big fat dudes ASAP!
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Too bad we didn't keep Langston Walker!
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 4, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If they hurry they can catch him before he leaves town
He’s prob still at the Mighty Taco on Southwestern blvd
mighty taco
could there be a better nickname for Langston walker?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 4, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yuck!
We’re going to have to run more of a hybird a la the Cardinals whenever the Wiz first got there or the Chargers from last year when they lost their NT. They had to slant the front in order to mask their personnel deficiencies. It certainly helps that we have such a solid secondary because there’s going to be some lapses for sure. Hopefully Lonnie Walker’s the answer!
However, if we can get someone to man the NT spot via FA with Pickett or whomever else, that would go a long way toward putting everything else in place. Stroud should be able to play 5 technique on run downs. Another guy that shouldn’t go overlooked as being a fit rotationally is Ryan Denney. He’s had to slim down some to fit in Jauron’s scheme, but he’s got the type of height and wingspan that is ideal for the 5-technique. He came into the league I believe around 275-280 lbs, so I could seem him making that transition perhaps.
The one lost in this transition is Kyle Williams unfortunately. Although he’s a good penetrator in a 4-3 alignment, he’s not tall enough to really be effect from the 5-tech or stout enough to man the NT spot. He could man the nose on obvious passing downs, but that’s a stretch for arguably the most consistently solid player on our football team the last few years.
he would answer alot of problems
but cost ALOT of money
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
That's just not happening
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
… but ahhh if it did. Bills were his favorite team growing up… just sayin
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Two familiar UFAs for the new 3-4 D-line
How nice would a Stroud-Wilfork-Seymour D-line be? We might have to work hard to get Wilfork, but Seymour might volunteer his services to play against the Pats a couple times a year… If not Wilfork, what about Aubrayo Franklin from San Fran for NT?
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You guy’s are all crazy
what?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 4, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
this is good news
a 3-4 defense and a revamp offense is the only way to go in Buffalo. Big change, thinking outside the box is the kind of thinking we need inside this organization. And if they are smart of to say “hey we are building towards a 3-4 but we might have to run a hybrid to ease the transition” It’s not the end of the world guys. I don’t know about you, but the vision I have for a Bills football team is physical, edge rushers, and a swagger that we desperately need in the bitter Nov/Dec windy Buffalo
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
Exactly. This isn’t a playoff team even if you run a scheme that best utilizes all of the players most effectively. So if there’s a transition period, who cares?
There’s 3 players in the front 7 that are likely going to be on the team in 2012 – Poz, Maybin, K Williams. You don’t worry about how the rest fit in long term right now.
And you just took away those three players strengths. Poz can’t shed blockers like he is going to have to do in a 3-4. Williams doesn’t have the physique of a quality 3-4 DE. Maybin…. well did he have any strengths last season?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Cool haircut?
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by BillsNYC on Feb 4, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Come on MRW
Maybin…. well did he have any strengths last season?
Havent you been one of the most outspoken advocates against people judging Aaron Maybin on his first season? Now your doing the same thing because we’re changing schemes? Aaron Maybin was going to have to start in a 4-3 anyway with Aaron Schobel retiring so it doesnt change much except perhaps put him in a better position to suceed.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying give up on him, poz. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
They’re switching to the 3-4.
The new coordinator has 1 year of experience as a coordinator. That 1 year, he ran a 4-3.
The personnel they have now don’t really fit a 3-4 scheme.
There were already major holes on offense.
Now there are major holes on defense, too.
Am I missing anything? Next year is going to be Ugly.
by tm on Feb 4, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Am I missing anything? Next year is going to be Ugly.
And this was different from the last ten years….?
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
next year was already going to be ugly
we dont have a QB or a LT and probably losing TO.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
not if we bring in vick
just sayin
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 4, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s roll with what we got! Yeah!
haha let’s roll right on to a 5-11 finish.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 4, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Shoot if we’re going to go with the let’s-roll-with-what-we-got attitude we might as well try to tank the entire season and get the first overall pick. Rolling with what we have is not an option, because what we have is not going to cut it in most positions.
That being, first overall will get us Locker, so it might not be an entirely horrible idea.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, how low are we as fans when dropping a season to get the first overall pick becomes a viable option? I can’t believe that I’m even considering it, but I am.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody trades franchise QBs..... the Aints got lucky with Brees
You have to draft them, and they usually go early.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
Hence why I wouldn’t be disapointed if we absolutly and totaly sucked this year. Ok it would be painful to watch, but in the big picture we might actually come out the better for it. Kinda like being horrible enough to draft Bruce Smith.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
now we have no QB or LT, plus major holes on defense.
How about really, really ugly.
like 1st overall draft pick ugly.
2007 Dolphins ugly.
by tm on Feb 4, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m down. What’s the difference between 6-9 and 1-15? (Ya know, besides 5 wins)
If we’re not in the playoffs, it doesn’t matter.
Dolphins went to playoffs in 2008. #justsayin
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
I’m all for taking a step backward in the name of progress, but it seems like that’s all they’ve been doing for the last ten years. Are they ever going to get to the “two steps forward” part?
by tm on Feb 4, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
That I’m not sure about. But I think in the past, they’ve tried to take baby steps in the right direction and never took a big stride forward, instead of sacrificing a year or two with a step back. This is at least different approach.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
So now what...
Do we take Morgan or McClain? Trade down and gather some picks and take a NT prospect? Or do we stay at 9 and take an OT? Something tells me that Chan will want his LT, but I would totally advocate trading down and taking Bulaga or Charles Brown, getting some more picks, take Terrence Cody and Witherspoon in the 2nd, then maybe a young QB in the 3rd, hopefully we can get Vick or Kolb, and go from there…Your thoughts?
by BMWdrummerman777 on Feb 4, 2010 2:29 PM EST reply actions
i would take Mcclain, he is just too solid to pass on, he is a can’t miss prospect IMO. Buluga would be nice as well but you have to take the best player in my opinion. They are both positions of need but Mcclain is better overall and LB is a big need for us. I would take Mcclain at 9 and try to get Tebow in the 2nd round if he falls that far.
something interesting
If Edwards was with Miami still, they could of blocked him from coming to Buffalo. Unless the Bills made him asst. head coach I believe. But by him taking a detour to Florida he was able to come without Miami saying anything. Just a thought
Edwards was the linebackers coach in Miami. He’d have been DC in Buffalo. They can’t block a promotion, just a lateral move.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Brian. I love you. We don’t disagree often. You are wrong says NFL.com’s Jason La Canfora. :-)
Unless a coach already under contract is being interviewed for a head coaching job, or a personnel exec is being interviewed for a promotion to general manager that would involve final say on personnel, their existing team can block any meeting.
Last offseason, for instance, the Redskins blocked special teams coach Danny Smith from interviewing for the same position with the Packers, and also blocked secondary coach Jerry Gray from interviewing for the defensive coordinator position with the Texans, which would have been an obvious promotion.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Bang-a-rang, rufio.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
by thatguy34 on Feb 4, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, wow. You don’t need to suck up to me in that fashion. If I’m wrong, rub my face in it. Please.
I honestly didn’t know that.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...kind of like McShay and Tebow love :-)
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
Conspiracy Theory?
When did George Edwards leave Miami for UF?
Did Gailey have anything to do with George Edwards leaving from Miami to UF so that he gets a stop gap before coming to Buffalo as DC? Just saying…
Bills fan half way around the world
why? last I checked, going from being linebackers coach to a DC is a legit promotion. Not sure I’m following your thoughts on the “stop gap” thing
most of my posts get deleted :(
read MRW's posts a few lines up
it was on his link and he also posted Jason LaCanfora’s text on another post further above.
Miami can block George Edwards interviewing for the Bills’ DC opening (even though it is a promotion).
Bills fan half way around the world
Wasn’t he actually the DC at the University of Florida? Miami had no say in what he did.
by tm on Feb 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Another problem I have with the switch is...
the fact that now we’re going to be going after the same kind of players as the other 3 teams in our division. All of their defenses have been building for multiple years now. They see these defenses everyday in practice with far greater talent being used. I fail to how a 2nd year coordinator who previously ran a 4-3 does anything to give us a leg up on anyone. We were really only 2-3 pieces away from being a very stout 4-3 defense. This just creates a whole myriad of new holes to fill.
It seems that they’re taking the if you can’t beat ‘em, join ’em in regards to the scheme switch. I do understand the rationale behind it, but it just seems like it doesn’t matter the base defense as long as you have the players to run it properly with good playcalling.
If we don't take McClain...
he’s likely to be snatched up by Miami, which wouldn’t be good for us, but LT is by far a more pressing need than MLB even with the scheme switch.
On the plus side
We’ll have the competitive edge in getting those guys seeing as how we’ll be drafting higher and all.
You mean we're going to be going after good player finally?
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OK...
The 3-4, maybin plays better,Maybe get Porter, all good.
Guy We’ve never heard of,unproven track record,not-so-good.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 4, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
You swung, and missed the joke. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
missed big time! hahaha
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
haha he's just as relevant in canada as in america, cbf.
which is to say, not at all relevant.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 4, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I just blame it on being an addict of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. Thosee guys are awsome.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 4, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Colbert Show > Daily Show
Daily Show = getting repetitive after all these years.
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by poz on Feb 5, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, but its still rather entertaining. Colbert is a master satirist though. Best one of the last 20 years.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
i just cant look at him without laughing
even if he is making fun of something I support. Hes just got that classic “I know I’m a prick” smirk that makes a great comedian.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Feb 5, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
i'd say Colbert Report is funnier, but i need Stewart to go after media and political blowhards the way he does or i'd lose my sanity.
the quality of stewart’s correspondents isnt what it used to be. Colbert, Carrell, Ed Helms and Rob Corddry were amazing.
it’s mind blowing that Colbert has been able to do the same character for 90 minutes a week 48 or so weeks a year for like 6 years and keep it fresh without anybody else to eat up screentime.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 5, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone else think that
Ryan Denney would be great as a 3-4 end? Just wondering he seems to have the size for it.
In soviet buffalo
serviceable is great ;)
by mob16151 on Feb 4, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He’s a free agent.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder who the first choice was, since there was no reason to wait this long to announce Edwards if he was the first choice?
Yes, there was – Edwards was at UF, and they were right in the critical juncture of recruiting season.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but he was there all of 1 month...how many guys could he have really recruited hard?
by StroudFanClub on Feb 4, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Why would a defender sign on at UF knowing that their D-Coordinator was about to leave?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
1. Because he was their co-D coordinator and
2. B/c Florida is friggin’ awesome. What, would they only have gotten 15 of the top 150 recruits.
I do, however agree that it was because of recruiting that they waited. Smart on his and Florida’s part, but I’m not sure it would have mattered that much. He’s been there a month after all.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Feb 4, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe your right, maybe recruits would care
I just don’t think it would be a big deal to announce that a guy who has been there for 20-something days, as Co-DC, and for Florida no less, where they would still get a good class even if Meyer stepped down, is a big deal.
Plus, how many days in could he have been in the job when Gailey was hired? Like 5 days?
by StroudFanClub on Feb 4, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, how many days in could he have been in the job when Gailey was hired? Like 5 days?
Much closer to 2 weeks.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't believe it
but you signing day guys had it right. And, I didn’t see Edwards coming because of his new job at UF.
My hat’s off.
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I'm all for this as the team has to be blown up, its filled with guys who have been losing for a decade.
Its time for some fresh blood and some guys from winning programs.
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Just wondering...
did anyone read the post by Joe Buscaglia about how the bills are ready made for a 3-4 transition? Seemed kinda interesting his points, even if most of them were pretty flawed. Its a pretty good read…http://www.wgr550.com/pages/6163825.php?contentType=4&contentId=5434162. I would say that we won’t be terrible…just have a few holes to fill and need more draft picks…however we can get them.
by BMWdrummerman777 on Feb 4, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions
Deja Vu
I hope the result will not be the same, but it reminds me of the OL revamping/totally new last year. We can’t have every year be a total redo — I actually thought we had a good foundation for the 4-3.
I like it, now lets get some draft picks!
Gut the roster, keep the core/talented younger players and rebuild this team from the ground up. 2010 was always going to suck, so might as well utilze that bad year to be better in 2011 and beyond.
I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Schobel, Stroud, Williams or any other 4-3 player this year. Even if they don’t get much in return, it’s all about building with youth. Le the draft pick hoarding begin!!
John I.
I think it's funny the Bills just hired a DC
and all anyone on here wants to discuss is if we should move a starting lineup spot from the line of scrimmage 10 feet back to play with the linebackers…..
Anyone have an opinion on going from Perry Fuel to George Edwards? Especially since Chan Gailey is more of an “offensive-minded” coach?
Probably not many takes on the new DC because he’s not well known.
I just hope he can get the best out of what we have & put them in positions to succeed.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
All I can offer
is that if were going to switch to a 3-4 I’m glad we brought in a linebacker specialist. A team needs four good linebackers, three great ones, to be a dominant 3-4 and we might not even have the right personnel on board so we need a teacher and strategist who can use linebackers to their fullest. Edwards supposedly is that man.
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by poz on Feb 4, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Selling the product
I’m interested to see what move (s) the Bills make from now to-and-including the draft day, because they are going to have to do something to sell tickets. These coaches might be good but they ain’t gonna inspire fans to buy seats at The Ralph.
Those days of seeing all the home games on TV may be over until this franchise starts winning and earns the fans back. Hopefully, this no-name staff can do that.
New post up, folks, on the 3-4 alignment I’d like to see Buffalo run next year.
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Just write it or been sitting on it you clever shrew?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
He’s probably got a 4-3 one that he also wrote and was just itching to post one. :D
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by UZ on Feb 4, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
LOL. You have gone from sucking up to calling me a shrew today. Way to run the gamut. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 4, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
“clever shrew”
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Works for me on paper
I’m soooo glad Gailey didn’t let Buffalo’s mediocre personnel on defense dictate the style of defense he thinks is needed to succeed in the NFL. This is Gailey’s first major decision and I like the guts he showed with it and Edwards’ resume makes sense for leading this switch. The D might take a step back in 2010, but teh transition shouldn’t take longer than a year if the front office does its job…can’t wait to kick off and finally see some of these midgets from the Tampa 2 pumping gas outside Ralph Wilson Stadium next September.
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Edwards’ resume makes sense for leading this switch.
You mean like the one year he was a DC and used the 4-3 defense?
The D might take a step back in 2010, but teh transition shouldn’t take longer than a year if the front office does its job
We’re gonna find 3-5 new defensive starters in one year?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
That one year 7 years ago when he was what? 34 years old? His resume consists of coaching linebackers and churning out Pro Bowlers. That’s how you earn a promotion (Dick Jauron still doesn’t get that).
They sure will find 3-5 new starters in a year. That’s what you do when the crap you’re throwing out there every year isn’t good enough. You don’t put band aids on severed limbs; you replace the limbs. Gailey is doing it right; fix it 100% if you ever want to actually go for it. The only sad part is that this process should have started last year and there’s not a reasonable person that follows this team that didn’t know it. So long, Keith Ellison; you can take Chris Kelsay, Ryan Denney, and teh rest of the midgets with you to the 7-11…I hear they’re hiring.
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They sure will find 3-5 new starters in a year.
They will have to. Are those guys going to be any good is the question.
That’s what you do when the crap you’re throwing out there every year isn’t good enough.
Yeah… replacement crap is better than current crap.
You don’t put band aids on severed limbs; you replace the limbs.
So where are you finding these nice, new metaphorical limbs? We can’t replace 5 guys on defense and address the offensive inadequacies at the same time.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 4, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
It’s going to take two offseasons or so. Assuming they draft well and the coaching staff is NFL caliber, they’ll have the parts to run their defense effectively by 2011. I don’t see what the big deal is. Teams switch schemes all the time; why would anyone who follows this team be married to the lousy players we’ve watched in recent years. What’s the worst that can happen in 2010 during the transition? Miss the playoffs with 6-7 wins. You’ll survive.
Aaron Maybin is DeMarcus Ware 2.0.
My biggest sticking point is that the offense is one offseason away from being good and the defense is two… It’s not like you can adequately address all that stuff in two years. How can you get a top flight QB, LT, NT, and more in two years? The Packers added Clay Matthews and BJ Raji in the first round last year when they were making their transition. But the had a great QB. Now they get to go add a stud LT this year and accomplish the switch well in two years.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
When you’re rebuilding, you collect talented players as you go along. Maybe the needed LT or NT will come out of nowhere (like Peters and Pat Williams did). I think your being upset stems from a fruitless desire to plug a million holes on this leaking ship in one offseason. Relax. Tear down this absurd mess that Jauron built and collect talented players that play the scheme the new coaching staff thinks can win in this league. The last blue print had plenty of time to prove itself worthy and it failed miserably. I haven’t been this excited about the Bills in years because finally, they are admitting that what we threw out there these last few seasons was a pipedream. I can’t wait to kick off
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I’m not upset. I’m disappointed.
I’m disappointed because I think they are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
In addition to Mathews and Raji, the Packers also drafted 3 others, traded for 1 and signed 7 more free agents for defense alone. That’s a total of 13 players in one year for one side of the ball (plus a whole new coaching staff). That’s a heck of a commitment/investment to making a change.
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Excellent point.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry but...
If Cody slips to the 2nd round, he’s our guy. Nobody would be saying anything if he weighed in around 340-350lbs. And for a big guy, it’s not impossible to shed 20 lbs. Everyone is hating on Cody because the pundits are. It will be a blessing for us. With Kyle Williams and Stroud and Spencer rotating in, that’s a huge DL. Granted, they would be liabilities on the outside and in pass coverage… but that’s what our LB’s are for. We plug the middle, stop sucking against the run… get some blitz packages with a healthy LB corps and let our secondary make plays with the pressure we could put on the QB. This whole “we don’t have the personnel” to switch is garbage. We have to start somewhere, and it will be by drafting a NT in the 2nd or 3rd round with more LB’s then DBs in the later rounds.
Some people have been pessimistic for too long. I’m pretty excited that we are making these moves. If it doesn’t work out next year, oh well. But the benefits of moving towards a 3-4 are too good to pass up since everyone in our division kills us with it. Wilfork isn’t coming. Kris Jenkins isn’t coming. We’ll find our guy. And if it happens to be Cody, you’ll be thrilled that we have a massive body in the middle 2 years from now.
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Feb 4, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions
can we get a NT in the 3rd??
cause otherwise y’all can just take mcClain and a top QB out of the picture
we MUST draft an OT 1 or 2, preferably 1
and weve got to at least address NT in the top 3 rds, due to its rarity and importance and our lack of anything resembling one (and im not counting that practice squad guy they just signed)
What about this? *
DL
1&2 down: Stroud/Williams – Wilfork* – Johnson/Williams
3rd down long: Williams – Wilfork* – Schobel
3rd down short: Stroud – Wilfork* – Johnson
LB
? – Poz – Mitchell – Maybin/Schobel
- I admit, putting Wilfork’s name here is in the fantasy column, but that it the ideal that you would strive for – even if you don’t get a shot at him.
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