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State of the Bills Roster: Rush Linebackers

They say that the lifeblood of the 3-4 defense is a gap-plugging nose tackle and athletic playmakers at the pass-rushing outside linebacker positions. Unfortunately for the Buffalo Bills, the team is lacking just as severely in the pass rusher department as they are in the nose tackle department.

Well, it's not that bad, I suppose. The Bills actually have solid options here, and if things fall right this off-season, will have two guys that can at least take the field as starters. But the pass rush has long been an issue in Buffalo, and the team's inability to find athletic young players at the position in the draft now has a negative effect on their transition to the new scheme.

After the jump, we'll talk about the four players currently on Buffalo's roster that fit the mold of a 3-4 pass-rushing outside linebacker. Unfortunately for the Bills, only two of those players are natural fits; the other two names on the list probably don't belong at all. Add this to the needs list, folks!

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What the new regime might be looking for
In a word - "depth." The duo of Aaron Schobel and Aaron Maybin are capable of starting in this system; Maybin's already been penciled in, and Schobel will be inked in should he decide to forego his retirement for at least one season.

Other than that, the Bills will be looking for what every 3-4 team looks for - impact pass rushers with the athleticism to cover the flats and short areas of the field in the rare cases they aren't called on to rush. With more and more teams fielding the 3-4, those players are becoming increasingly difficult to find, and aside from the top two names on the list, the Bills have essentially no depth at the position.

Current personnel
Part of the problem in transitioning from the 4-3 to the 3-4 is finding a spot for your defensive linemen. In most cases, the majority of 4-3 linemen fit best as 3-4 defensive ends - often cases, even that's a stretch - and that's what we've got here in Buffalo, too. We've got two nose tackles, a ton of defensive end candidates, and just four pass-rushing outside linebacker prospects. Anyone want to hazard a guess why NT and OLB are considered the most important positions in this defensive scheme?

Aaron Schobel. Folks are constantly stating that Maybin benefits the most from the move to the 3-4; I couldn't disagree more. I love the idea of Schobel in this scheme. No, he's not a tremendous athlete, and given that fact along with his age, he'll be something of a liability, and certainly not a long-term solution at the position. But if Buffalo is smart - and, more importantly, if they're capable of finding some depth - Schobel will enter 2010 as a pure pass rusher. That's it. He'll just rush the quarterback. That's what he's best at, and he's proven that he can do it. If Schobel decides to return for one more season, I think his stat line stands to benefit from this change.
  Contract status: 4 years remaining. Owed $27.525M in base salaries. (Oof!)

Aaron Maybin. The oft-berated 2009 first-round pick is pretty well despised by this fan base after Maybin's zero-sack rookie season. Hope springs eternal, however, and the switch to the 3-4 definitely suits Maybin. He looked quite uncomfortable standing up a year ago in the rare moments it was required of him, so don't expect him to suddenly become DeMarcus Ware overnight, folks. But Maybin's strengths - acceleration and reach - are highlighted in this system. Expect rocky roads as Maybin continues to grow into his body and learns the nuances of a new system. Long-term, though, the outlook is good if Maybin can pick up the playbook quickly and George Edwards can get creative in how he uses Maybin.
  Contract status: 4 years remaining. Base salaries undisclosed. Deal: 5 years, $17.6M, $15M guaranteed.

Chris Ellis. He's entering his third year out of Virginia Tech, and his best chance at sticking on this roster is as an outside linebacker. He's too soft to play the 5-technique, and he has enough athleticism to get by at the OLB spot. But the fit is not a snug one, and Ellis has been completely anonymous in two years with the club. Don't hold your breath; I'm not sure his Bills career is set to continue.
  Contract status: 2 years remaining. Owed $1.025M in base salaries.

Jermaine McGhee. He's listed on the roster at the team's official site, and having seen him in training camp last year, he's definitely more the athletic type, so we're throwing his name here. He spent '09 rehabbing a severe knee injury. He'll have a hard time sticking even on the training camp roster, in all likelihood.
  Contract status: Your guess is as good as ours. Not listed as a free agent by BuffaloBills.com.

Who stays? Who goes?
Obviously, Maybin stays. Schobel stays, too, if he so chooses, and right now, I think it's fair to call those chances even. McGhee is pretty clearly a goner, and Ellis is no better a fit for this system than Chris Kelsay (who I'm sure you've noticed by now is conspicuously absent from this list - again, see our DE post, which will likely air Monday). Essentially, I'm saying that we've got two players at this position, and our need for depth here is fairly critical.

If I were a betting man (and no, I'm not)...
Wow. There's so much at play here. Will Schobel return? Will Edwards be comfortable handing a starting spot to Maybin? I'll go on record as guessing that Schobel will return. I'll also go on record as guessing that Maybin will be a starter, though it'd be nice to see the team add a veteran pass rusher to compete for his spot. I wouldn't be averse to the team bringing in as many as three or four reserve options through various mediums to bolster the depth, because we're going to need a lot of it.

Names to keep an eye on
Buffalo can find a stop-gap nose tackle, some stop-gap defensive ends if they so choose, and even some of their offensive needs via free agency. Where they truly lack elite athletes is right here (as well as inside linebacker, which we'll obviously discuss in the near future). If any one specific position now becomes a much higher draft option, it's this one. There aren't any elite pass rushers available in this year's draft, but names like Sergio Kindle, Eric Norwood, Ricky Sapp and Jerry Hughes are considered solid prospects. Derrick Morgan, a player Buffalo's coaching staff should be very familiar with, should be a consideration as well, though he's not a snug fit in a 3-4.

Previous installments of the State of the Bills Roster series: QB, RB, WR, TE, OT, G/C, NT.

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I think there’s a very, very good chance the Bills will pick Derrick Morgan if he’s on the board, when we pick, as he’s a perfect fit for OLB in the 3-4 and naturally his connection to Chan.

"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 5, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Can morgan play the 5?

from what was said about him on this site, he is about 275

Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Feb 5, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No. No, he is not a perfect fit for OLB in the 3-4. He’s not a top athlete.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 5, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t a huge fan of Morgan as a DE in a 4-3, and I really don’t like him as an OLB in a 3-4. There are several players I would like to see the Bills pick, but almost all of them are reaches of some sort.

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by Ghetts on Feb 5, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunlap is so ridiculously soft that I don’t think he has a true pro position yet.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 5, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS

Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 5, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS
Dunlap is so ridiculously soft that I don’t think he has a true pro position yet.

Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. - Peter Gibbons

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 5, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither is Lamarr Woodley, but he’s still a Pro Bowl OLB in the 3-4. The guy, Morgan that is, is just a great football player with a combination of strength and adequate acceleration that in my opinion could make him a special player in this league.

"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 5, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Morgan

Best at strongside DE on a 4-3. Rush linebacker is a stretch. Think Aaron Kampman when you think about Morgan.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 5, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

If anything I’d see him more as a 3-4 DE then a 3-4 OLB. And neither are good options for him. Morgan should not be considered for the 3-4.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

GT

The few times GT played a 3-4 he looked out of his depth at end – sorry to disagree but I think Morgan would be a horrible 3-4 pick and he would be way off our board now I’d like to think.

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by Will G on Feb 5, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

I think Morgan has come off our draft board after this decision. Hes a 4-3 end prototype.

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by poz on Feb 5, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

man, quick posts today, good one. Is there a chance that Houston would give up a good pick for Schobel, seeing as he wants to be living in texas? do they have any players we could use in a trade?

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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Feb 5, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t see it happening. The Texans actually have good depth and good starters at DE. Its the one place that they actually do have depth at.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

McGee is pretty clearly a goner

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by J2 on Feb 5, 2010 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

How do we get there?

interesting article in USA Today about how each SB team’s 53 man roster was built. INDY drafted 29, signed 22 FA (11 of those in 2009), and claimed 2 off waivers.
NO drafted 18, signed 32 FA (15 in 2009) and acquired 3 through trade.
It would seem to me that, contrary to Nix’s comments about FAs, we are going to have to do more than dip out toe into the FA pool to retool both sides of the ball. We don’t have enough draft picks to get anywhere close. Even then, this is going to be a multi-year project – maybe not as “multi” if we jump in the FA pool.

"In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is strength, in water there is bacteria"

by fansince60 on Feb 5, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

+dip our toe

"In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is strength, in water there is bacteria"

by fansince60 on Feb 5, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course you have to....

At 7 players drafted a year, it would take 9 years to field a team, and practice squad…. And that’s only IF you hit 100% on all your players….

by Cinga on Feb 5, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize that

I was merely pointing out that with the distance we have to go, simply drafting will take many years.

"In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is strength, in water there is bacteria"

by fansince60 on Feb 5, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

But did’nt Nix “nix” the free agent route? I’m afraid they know already it’s gonna take a few yrs.

by buffalobacker on Feb 5, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but remember – that counts undrafted free agents as well. I checked those 11 players, and there’s only one real starter (and that due to injury). Here’s their position on the depth chart…

Offense: 4th and 5th WR; 4th TE; 2nd C
Defense: 5th DE, 5th DT, 3rd and 4th OLB, 2nd CB, 2nd FS
Teams: 2nd K

Also, here’s a list of all Colts players that have ever started a game for another NFL team:
  Aaron Francisco (9 starts in 4 years for Arizona) – started 2 games for Indy in ’09
  Hank Baskett (11 starts in 3 1/2 years for Philly) – 4 receptions for Indy in ’09

Plus Stover/Vinateri, but kickers barely count as free agents…

by Krenn on Feb 5, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But look at where their starters come from and then look at their depth.

Colts drafted Manning, Addai, Saturday, Freeney, Mathis, Bob Sanders, and most of the other starters.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 8, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Julius Peppers

What free agents you think the Bill’s will target? I’ve read, probably here, that Nix is a build through the draft guy but are there any players you think will fit?

by kingsgambit1943 on Feb 5, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

Peppers’ asking price will be 15M+ the Bills will not be pursuing him at all.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybin despised by the fan base?

Brian – do you think that statement is a bit harsh? I’m out of town, and curious if that is the way the fans feel at the games.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 5, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

I think “extremely disappointed” is probably more accurate.

I’m wondering where so many people get the confidence that Maybin is somehow a lock at starting OLB. I know he has the tools and build, but what else?

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by dzil on Feb 5, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

who is any different?

someone split hairs with me about no-one running a 3-4 in college, so i’ll hedge and say that is extremely rare and is almost never a featured scheme in college.

so, by the same argument you make against maybin at OLB, you can eliminate just about every other player coming into the league, as most of them (the vast majority) have never played the position.

You draft based on “the tools” as you seem to agree he has. It’s a projection and you put him in there and see where he needs work and you start from there.

by kgun201 on Feb 5, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

but Maybin’s not just coming out of college. He has a seasons worth of virtually no progression in the spot he was supposedly “ideally suited” on draft day for. Now suddenly he’s again ideally suited for a different scheme. The fact remains that he had a sum total of 3/4 of one great season in college, followed by pretty close to nothing last season. I just think his lack of progression might be a concern, that’s all.

BTW, drafting based solely on “tools” had led to several recent Bills disappointments.

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by dzil on Feb 5, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

How much do you think the late signing was a factor? When he missed all of training camp, most of my expectations went out the window.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 5, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure it hurt him, not being in camp. I’m really not hating on the guy, just trying to be objective. i think he needs to earn the starting OLB spot and there’s no guarantees he gets the job done.

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by dzil on Feb 5, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

wishful thinking

wishful thinking on the part of whoever stated on draft day that Maybin was “ideal suited for a 4-3.” that’s my opinion, backed up by your very opinion that he made virtually no progress at 4-3 end.

it’s not uncommon for a 4-3 end to struggle in his rookie season. they are notorious slow-starters due to the ridiculous demands inherent in the position. but there is being ineffective, and there is being a poor fit. he was the latter.

he was neutralized on just about every play he was in on. he mopped up a few mistackles due purely to his speed. he was rarely the first player to the ball because he was completely redirected on the line of scrimmage. he overplayed the pass rush on screens, got lost in the wash on misdirection.

if we’re lucky, the new DC (whats his name) will recognize this and use him as a pure pass rusher to overwhelm on one edge or the other. just my opinion, but again, backed up by the vast 1-year of experience he’s got.

by kgun201 on Feb 8, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

the new DC (whats his name)

George Edwards

by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2010 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks

i was joking… but that was, honestly, my first reaction. he looks like a promising hire to me after reading more about him.

Brandan Graham. That's all I'm sayin'

by kgun201 on Feb 9, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed that debate....
someone split hairs with me about no-one running a 3-4 in college, so i’ll hedge and say that is extremely rare and is almost never a featured scheme in college.

Coming Soon!!!! To a major College program near me!!!! The Ga Bulldogs are switching to the 3-4 next season….

"We will be using the ‘3-4’ structure with an aggressive style of play," Grantham said. "Our pass rushers will be coming at the ball to make a play. But we will still be able to move to multiple looks depending on how our opponents set up."

http://www.georgiadogs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=40673&SPID=3571&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=8800&ATCLID=204869832

by Cinga on Feb 5, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

don't dispise maybin

for me, i thought he was out of position. when i stated that opinion some people took at as a knock on him, which it wasn’t.

any talk of cutting (obviously) or trading maybin is wayyy over-reactionary, IMO.

by kgun201 on Feb 5, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't

Despise Maybin, just the people that picked him.

by buffalobacker on Feb 5, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

not FA but.....

Porter from Miami or Thomas from NewEngland…. Neither is young, but both could come in short term for 3-4 teaching. You need old guys in the locker room. Both are currently unhappy in their situations as well.

by kelly2reed on Feb 5, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

The more I think onit

the more in love I am with getting Jerry Hughes in the 2nd. Mark my words when all is said and done Hughes will be the best defensive player out of the entire draft. Ifeel like making bold predictions today.

by mob16151 on Feb 5, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Didn't Hughes struggle at the Senior Bowl

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2010 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yes, mightily so.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Feb 5, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not to concerned by the senior bowl.

If he struggles at the combine I’ll worry.

by mob16151 on Feb 5, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't discount the Senior Bowl

Struggling against fellow potential draftees and not looking too good in drills is something to really take note of…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2010 3:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Meh

I’ve always viewed it as a glorified exhibition game. Unless your trying to transition from a gimmicky offense/defense or a small school that doesnt face top level competition.. Those type of prospects are the only ones who need to worry about how they perform there IMO. Once again that’s only my opinion though.

by mob16151 on Feb 5, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The game is an exhibition

But the practices carry a ton of weight. When a player underwhelms throughout the week, his draft stock can really be hurt….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2010 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

as is the NFL combine

Like Nix said. You judge a player on his body of work. Everything a player does factors into that body of work.

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by dzil on Feb 5, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love

If we could get either Norwood or Hughes via the draft. Both were beasts in college and I don’t see why they couldn’t be in the NFL.

by NJBillsfan on Feb 5, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Rush LB's

This position is a huge need and some people tend to believe you can just plug players in and get good results. We can’t expect Schobel or Maybin or whoever to actually be competent starters. We’d like to believe they can do it, but I want to get some guys in that have some experience in this role.

We can use Maybin, schobel and probably Kawika Mitchell at the position, but I really think we need to bring in a vet or two that has played the position. I would also add a couple of rookies, a somewhat high draftee, maybe a late round sleeper and a bunch of undrafteds.

My approach to finding guys for this position is to just throw a whole bunch of options at the wall, hoping a handful stick. Taking a quantity approach, at this time, might be our best move.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2010 3:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

sooooo....

what are your thoughts on Porter or Thomas (pending releases). if not released, would you trade anything for them (3rd, 4th 5th, etc.)?

by kelly2reed on Feb 5, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.....let's face it, we are going to have a tough year

But, if it gets us Locker or Mallet, it will be worth the suffering. I don’t know how many times Brian has to say “Not happening” before people give up on the big name FA……probably like the big name HCs, not until they sign elsewhere. I can’t seem to get into this much. Seems like we already covered this stuff, in less detail, sometime between after Jauron was fired and the end of the season. I am not saying it isn’t good stuff, just feels old.

If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.

by Joe P. on Feb 5, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

old but....

I feel it is relevant since they have both recently become more verbal about their unhappiness on their current teams and we announced we would be going to the 3-4.

by kelly2reed on Feb 5, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Alex Carrington would be a great choice in the third round as 3-4 DE. The can flat out play and is a very solid fit for the 3-4, unlike a lot of other prospects.

"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 5, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

I think Maybin is 100% starting

we are rebuilding and we might as well get him starter reps. I really think Maybin is much much better suited to a 3-4, which is the system he should have been drafted into. I’m still shocked we took him as a 4-3 team.

He has perfect build for OLB in a 304 at 6’4 250 pounds and hes very young and impressionable. This guy can be coached at age 21. Maybin was always a bit too small to be a 4-3 end and I think it helps to explain his lack of production and playing time last season, He came in at 240 and already had a lean frame. The guy was always destined to be a great OLB rushing prospect.

His initial burst, quickness, and explsoviness will mesh well with his new position. There was always a concern that making him bulk up to play a traditional 4-3 end would sacrifice his quickness. Now we can put him in a position that is tailored to his strengths instead of plugging him and shoving him into a role he wasn’t suited for in a 4-3.

I actually think Maybin is the one player we have that we won’t be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with in our transition. Hes the one guy who is actually going to a round peg into a round hole deal. This is great news for us and Maybin. His long arms, playmaking athleticism, and high motor will be much more effective when hes not lining up across from tackles that have almost 100 pounds on him.

I love this.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 5, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Completely Agree

I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City

by Ghetts on Feb 5, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybin

He was overmatched this past season. I’m not ready to believe he’ll be ready to start in a new scheme when he’s still going to need to beat blockers and read runs. Standing him up might help, but he’s still got a long way to go.

I’d much rather bring in a vet OLB to start and give Maybin some time to adjust to a new position and continue improving.

I still struggle to see his amazing burst and explosiveness. I really don’t know what many see as I’ve seen an average first step and quickness that’s no better than decent….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2010 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He was at about 235 when all the explosive moves were being made. When he showed up at the NFL combine closer to 250 his speed numbers were average at best. Maybin blamed his sub-par combine on his added weight. I’m hoping a new strength & conditioning coach/program will help him reach whatever potential he has/had.

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by dzil on Feb 5, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

totally agree

and I will also add that his burst was negated by the fact that on the field for the Bills we were trying to coach him to engage the blockers using moves he did not have against much larger blockers. We noted how he would be forced to take a wide lane to the QB when he tried to use his edge rush because tackles would just shove him wide. This won’t work when tight ends try to engage him or when a tackle already being engaged by Marcus Stroud tries to disrupt his blitz. Maybin behind Stroud could be a very good combo.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 5, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The most intriguing aspect of moving to the 3-4 to me is

being excited to see if Maybin can flurish as an OLB. This is the best thing for him. I would love to see him fulfill that potential.

by StroudFanClub on Feb 5, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

your right

so right that I can’t shake he nagging feeling that the Bills did this move in large part because they have on the roster the best 3-4 OLB from last years draft and dont want to waste him.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 6, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I have that strange feeling as well.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 6, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

he's overmatched period........

IMO

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 5, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Entirely agree. But he still needs to be rounded off a bit before he entirely fits into that hole, as in he needs a fair dose of coaching. But I have no doubt that he’ll get there. And I agree that he should be a starter for us next year, if for no other reason that he needs the expirience.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

really? just because you believe in him and he needs practice, he’s the starter? wow. I’d hope that every player on the field is required to compete for a job as starter. NOBODY should get a free pass.

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by dzil on Feb 5, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. That being said, do you see anyone better that is currently on our roster that can start ahead of Maybin? ‘Cause I sure don’t. Maybin is currently a starter by default. And baring a huge singing, he will remain a starter.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not so sure. If he had shown more progression from the start to end of the ,I’d have more hope for him learning a new position. I think it would be a huge mistake to not sign a serviceable veteran rush LB(or 2) as a plan B, in case nobody on the current roster is ready to be a starter come week 1. At this point, I’ve got more faith in Schobel and Kawika being ready to play OLB on day one than Maybin. I really do hope he proves me wrong, though.

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by dzil on Feb 5, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope

I hope that’s just what Maybin needs!

by buffalobacker on Feb 5, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard Schobel’s not coming back if we switch to a 3-4. It must be nice to be able to turn down $5 mil.

by Bill Frank on Feb 5, 2010 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

You herd wrong because Schobel himself said that he thinks he’s more suited for the 3-4 at this point in his career.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope we get McClain and move up for Dan Williams

this would completely leave us set for Defense

This just leaves a hole for LT….FA is a slight possibility

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by billsoferie on Feb 5, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

we have not a single experienced rush OLB. you’re ok with that?

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Feb 5, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

i am ok with McClain and Poz in the middle and Maybin and Schobel/N. Harris on the outside

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by billsoferie on Feb 6, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So Nic Harris goes from safety to pass rusher in two years? While that transition would be impressive, I don’t think it’s realistic. The guy is just not big enough. He’d get swallowed up by a TE or RB on most plays. If you had said Mitchell there, I might agree, but not Harris. I’m not comfortable with McClain and Poz in the middle because not only do they have a lot of the same strengths, they have a lot of the same weaknesses. I’m not really married to the idea of one or the other, but I don’t think having both would make for a particularly versatile unit.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft

I think the Bills should trade down and where they know they can still get an OT and pick up a couple more pics

by billsfan26 on Feb 6, 2010 7:30 AM EST reply actions  

Not that I'd like to see it happen, but

Is there any chance Kawika would be considered as an outside LB in this 3-4? All I ever heard about him in these reports and on TV was that his blitzing ability was his strength, that he struggled in coverage. Wouldn’t that mean he’d want to play outside?

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by Dyl on Feb 6, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

I was asking myself that same question. Why is Mitchell more suited to the inside than the outside in everyone’s mind?

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by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 9, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I really hope Maybin can step it up and make the transition.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 8, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

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