Why not Brohm?
by Blobillsfootball on Feb 6, 2010 1:45 PM EST
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PrintThis is my first "real" post on this page thus far but I look forward to making many more contributions in the future. My Question that I'm throwing up for debate is "Why not Brian Brohm for the future?" Instead of drafting another unproven QB this year why don't we hold on to Brohm and see how he pans out. Coming out of college he was ranked either the 1st or 2nd best QB entering the draft. Keeping him is like drafting a rookie anyway because he's young and somewhat inexperienced (not to mention the loads of money we will save on a QB if we keep him rather than draft a rookie with the 9th pick). So why not keep him? Bring in a vet. who can help groom him and then give the kid a shot. Tyler Thigpen seems to be all over the lips of some Bills fans so we can bring him in and coach up Brohm until hes ready to play. This means we can go out in the draft and get a LT and a NT, two positions that are going to be very VERY critical this upcoming season. So just let me know what you guys think about this plan for the future.
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No matter the opinion on Brohm, he is not Gailey/Nix’s “guy.” That’s a huge point in this debate.
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It is only a point if he was the starter and doesn't fit the new offense
Nix/Gailey is not married to Brohm either way, so they can cut him loose if they don’t like them or make Brohm their guy if they do like him. Edwards was Jauron’s guy ……Fitz was Fewell’s guy……Brohm is nobody’s guy yet.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
First of all, I’ve never understood this part of the game – I mean why do GM/HC need to bring in their “guy”? Didn’t we hire them to be talent evaluators? If/when they get rid of someone it should be because they feel that guy is devoid of talent. Brohm has talent and has never really gotten a fair chance to prove it.
Second, I agree with Joe and SBW, it wouldn’t surprise me if Nix had something to do with bringing Brohm in.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
They need “their guy” because that guy is usually who the team feels best fits the scheme they’re going to run. They’d rather fit a QB around a system, than modify their system to fit a QB (unlessit’sPeytonManning.com).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 7, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
He was the 3rd QB
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why?
I would love to hear why you think he was on the practice squad. I’d love to hear someone explain to me how they feel that this guy had ample chances and burnt every one, that this guys has proven without a doubt that he’s garbage? The reality IMO is that he was a young overconfident guy coming out of college that got drafted on a team that had Aaron Rodgers as a starter. Brohm probably pushed the envelop too hard, put too much pressure on himself to try to perform as well or better than the starter and he failed in the very few opportunities that he got and the key words are very few.
I think he’s matured and has learned something from that experience. He definitely should be in the mix and may the best man win.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
I’m with you keysh. It’s not like he’s had much of a chance to prove if the mistakes were because of inexperience or because of inability. It’s too soon to write him off, but too soon to hand the reigns over.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 7, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
ok
Tha year, the packers handed the starting job to Aaron Rodgers. They drafted 2 QBs to battle for the backup postion. Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn from LSU (drafted in 7th round).
Both QBs battled for the #2 spot. Flynn won the job and Brohm became the 3rd string. Thats fine, maybe it will take him an extra year to get the system. The following year, the packers invite a Harvard QB to trainning camp. Now Flynn (7th) Brohm (2nd) and Pizzoti (UFA) battled for the back QB positions. The loser was Brian Brohm. The other 2 players beat him out fair and square. The only reason Brohm was even on the PS was because it would be a wasted 2nd round pick to just cut him. So they put him on the PS.
So there was a reason Brian Brohm was on the Packers PS
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
It's not like.
The pack hasn’t won anything since Brohm was drafted.
One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.
I don’t know if Brohm is good enough, but I certainly think he deserves the chance to prove he can be.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 8, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
keep him on the trainning camp roster. If he shows something…great! if not… whatever
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 8, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I liked what I saw in Brohm from his only start. He didn’t play too bad behind a patch work o-line and only being on the team for a handful of weeks. I was hoping he would have played against the Colts. I don’t look to much into a player being on another teams practice squads. Just look at Freddy Jackson and Brian Moreman, both practice squad and NFL Europe players. Now are both great players for our Bills. I feel Brohm will have an opportunity to compete for the job.
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by nickdaniels on Feb 6, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I too was impressed by his first start. He came out high-strung in the first quarter but calmed down and played well the three final quarters. I really think he’ll do well this year in a new system. He’s starting off at the same level as all the others and I am convinced he’ll do well. I have not lost hope that he could be our long term solution.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Think about that: Arguably, the Bills’ best 2 players were unheralded.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 7, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
The reason is he is not Aaron Rodgers and he was being asked to function in an offense that was designed for Rodgers.
The Packers keep 3 QB’s on their active roster.
Brohm got beat out for the active roster last season by Rodgers, Matt Flynn (who was a 7th round draft pick in 08) and an undrafted rookie from Harvard named Chris Pizzotti.
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by UZ on Feb 6, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
And the Packers never make bad QB decisions, right?
Or maybe Brohm got caught diddling the GMs daughter…who knows….doesn’t matter……he still had the talent to be drafted higher than Edwards and will get a shot with the Bills.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
I’m not bashing Brohm, however, I can’t find many faults with the Packers last two choices in starting quarterbacks. If they didn’t think highly enough of Brohm to keep him over Flynn and Pizzotti, that does lead one to wonder what’s up with Brohm.
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well, they did decide that Farve should retire and so far Flynn and Pizzotti have proven less than Brohm as a NFL QB
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
Brohm has a grand total of 1 game more “proof” than those two in the NFL. And it was a pretty mediocre performance.
And the “He was drafted high” argument proves nothing about how good he is. If that’s how it works, Jamarcus Russell is the best QB in the league. Especially since as I said, Flynn was drafted that exact same year… in the 7th round.
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by UZ on Feb 6, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
So by your logic, JR is the only QB currently playing in the league to be taken #1 ?
and I didn’t say he had a lot more. And, his draft position speaks to the potential the Packers thought he had. I get your point, but mine is that Flynn and Pizzotti haven’t proven they are any better yet.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
And my point was that Brohm hasn’t proven he’s better than either of them. They all played preseason, Brohm managed to lose out to them. So at the very least, on a level playing field the Packers thought they had 3 better QB’s out there.
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by UZ on Feb 7, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you there.....but that doesn't mean Brohm can't get better.....he has the tools
Maybe he is a late bloomer….like Drew Brees or Brett Farve?
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
The reality IMO is that he was a young overconfident guy coming out of college that got drafted on a team that had Aaron Rodgers as a starter. Brohm probably pushed the envelop too hard, put too much pressure on himself to try to perform as well or better than the starter and he failed in the very few opportunities that he got and the key words are very few.
He’s learned from that experience and he’s matured since then. Look for him to do well this year, he’s gotten a fresh start and is starting at the exact same level as the others in a brand new system.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
And Aaron Rodgers has been the better QB
So they made the correct choice, right?
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Not going on this merry-go-around again.
Let me just say that if I were the Packers, I would have had the decency to release Farve….same as I would release Schobel if he asked us to.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
I would have to agree with you about releasing Favre but I would have done it in a way that gives me something in return. Thompson couldn’t simply release him and he certainly couldn’t trade him to the enemy, fans would have burnt down his home! But he could have traded Favre to an AFC team without the restrictions. This way they get something in return and they do the honorable thing to Brett and let him go to the team he wants without having to fake his retirement twice.
As for Schobel, I agree that should he request a trade I certainly agree that he deserves it and we should try to accomodate him. But obviously we should try and maximize our returns and avoid sending him to the enemy but not to the point of being disrespectful to the player who has given us so much.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Why release him when he would just go sign with an arch rival?
GB did what was best for the team, not what was best for Favre. Isn’t that what a team should be doing?
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Every scouting report on this kid said he had a cannon or an arm. I read the whole “State of the Bills: QB” but I don’t see what it is about him that wouldn’t make him a Nix/Gailey kind of guy. I think he at least needs to be kept around and given a chance to fight for the job. Him, Fitz and then a player like Thigpen.
by Blobillsfootball on Feb 6, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions
He will be in training camp. Nobody’s saying we should cut him loose yet.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 8, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I compare Brohm and Fitzpatrick alike.
Brohm was asked to run Rodgers offense and Fitzpatrick was asked to run Palmers, then Edwards offense. Both of these players will now be challenged to run Gailey’s offense. Apparently, Edwards was asked to run Jaroun’s offense and couldn’t get it done, that doesn’t mean he is done in the NFL but his weaknesses were more exposed than the other’s. Neither Fitzpatrick or Brohm had an offense taylored to their skills like Edwards has. Thus IMO gives them an advantage going into training camp. The unknown is Gailey’s offense. Which should be more run and play action with the ability to make a larger variety of throws. Also, the ability to read defenses and manage the game would make Fitzpatrick the leading contender until a FA vet is brought in, not another Young Draftee. A veteran FA with knowledge of Gailey’s terminology and philosphy is looming out there and could possibly challenge Fitzpatrick for this job and that should be a higher priority than a draftee. Still when all is said and done on the QB evaluation we will still want to plan for the long term/franchise type leader. This could be Brohm or it could not be Brohm. Practice squad or not, he still has a leg up on any draftee at this point just based on class room and training camps.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
by VanScottM on Feb 6, 2010 3:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Brohm was asked to run Rodgers offense and Fitzpatrick was asked to run Palmers, then Edwards offense Neither Fitzpatrick or Brohm had an offense taylored to their skills like Edwards has.
Frankly, I think Edwards was asked to run Jauron’s offense. They screwed up the OL with the Peters and Walker debacles and in a lame attempt to cover it up they went no huddle. All three were a victim of those gaffs, then the string of injuries.
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Twice the Bills has shot themselves in the foot
I feel that our FO is so desperate for a new savior that they anoint young rookies too fast.
JP Losman was made the starter over Bledsoe too fast and we scrapped him in the process. I am not suggesting that he would have panned out any better but we threw him into the fire too quickly.
Same thing with Edwards, we threw him in way too fast.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Sanchez, Stafford, Ryan, Flacco, Rothlesberger
are just some of the recent QBs who were thrown into the fire and came out stronger for it. Its not fair to blame JP Losman’s many and clear failures on the Bills.
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by poz on Feb 8, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Too fast…add to that no blocking!
by buffalobacker on Feb 9, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
A veteran FA with knowledge of Gailey’s terminology and philosphy is looming out there
Anyone specific in mind?
I like Gailey
by can on Feb 6, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously, Thigpen
But Gailey has covered alot of territory, I wouldn’t want to put all my eggs in one basket. He has been around long enough to know exactly what he is looking for, I believe that person will be brought in and instantly put in position to challenge Fitzpatrick for the starting nod.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
Thigpen’s not a FA.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 8, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
rec’d, VanScottM.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 7, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I think You hit it right on..
We have no idea of what kind of offense that Chan will employ..Just guessing,I’d say really conservative which gives Brohm a good chance to crack the lineup..Green Bay employs a much different offense than we will so I really feel that we can’t judge Brohm on what He couldn’t do there,because it’ll be a lot different here..Saying it’s silly to give someone a chance before You actually see what they can do,in my opinion is the silly thing..Good post..Wish I could explain it like you did..
Never argue with an Idiot,they'll drag You down to their level and beat You with experience every time..
I think Brohm gets a good look in the preseason.
Then Gailey can decide if He’s the kind of guy he can bring around to run the kind of Offense that He has in mind..I really think this team HAS TO look at all options at QB,especially if we don’t land one of the Big Fish in the draft..Nobody had much use for Thigpen and Gailey got the most out of Him..Nobody can say that the Kid makes the grade,but I believe that Gailey is the kind of coach that could make use of a Young QB like that..
Never argue with an Idiot,they'll drag You down to their level and beat You with experience every time..
Brohm will get a good look...
Bu the new staff cannot depend on him being a starter, at least not right away. Unless he is flat out terrible, we should keep him.
And I have no problem with Thigpen. Got for it.
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I agree 100%.
Brohm shouldnt start right away but I think we really need to look at him for the future. Preseason will help this cause out a lot.
by Blobillsfootball on Feb 6, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
This may mean nothing...
as it is nearly 60 years removed, but… another QB from Louisvill Johnny Unitas, got stuck behind a few guys on the Steeler depth chart, then got cut and was playing semi-pro ball n the weekends while doing construction as a day job. Then the Colts seen him and picked him up and, well, you know the rest… maybe we have found a diamond in the NFL rough. Surprisingly though Unitas was not very accurate a thrower, had a lot of picks and only a 79 career rating… much different game though
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“Why not Brian Brohm for the future?”
because he isn’t very good.
I would have no problem bringing him into camp and giving him a long look. but counting on him to be the future is just silly.
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It didn't seem silly when the Packers drafted him
I doubt Brohm is the last QB to make a HC and/or GM look silly.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
That was two years ago. What has he done since? The Answer: get cut, assigned to the practice squad, allowed to leave for a new team, and then make one less then stellar start for his new team. Now this guy is going to step up his game and be a stud player? Pardon me if I don’t hold my breath.
What he has done, or not done, in his NFL career is more important to me then where and when he was drafted. At this point his draft status is completely irrelevant.
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counting on him to be the future is just silly.
nobody said that
But discounting him so soon is even worse!
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
No, I agree. As I said I would bring him into camp and give him a preseason game or two. I have no issue what-so-ever in taking a look at what this guy has. But penciling him in as the future of the QB position right now, and not trying to acquire somebody else who could be is what would be silly.
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nobody said that
Cut and pasted right out of the main post:
Instead of drafting another unproven QB this year why don’t we hold on to Brohm and see how he pans out.
That to me says bypassing a possibly good rookie QB simply because of the presence of Brohm. So yeah somebody did in fact say that.
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I view Brohm as a lottery ticket. That’s what your 3rd string QB should be…I guy you hope to develop into a useful player, but that you’re not counting on…the 3rd string QB shouldn’t be a guy like Hamdan who is old and isn’t good enough to get on the field and is only on the team because he’s friends with your starting QB who happens to suck @ss in his own right.
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by Port Royal on Feb 6, 2010 7:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Give Brohm a chance, he cost us nothing for a former college star
Why are many so down on the guy when he is still basically a rookie with limited experience. This guy is a freebie folks! Give him a chance in camp after OTAs and dedicating himself to the team that pulled him away from practice squad prison.
Lots of QBs did not start out great or were drafted later, but ended up pretty decent.
Random names that come to mind:
Johnny U (from the scrapheap)
Brett Favre (no love from Atlanta)
Jim Plunkett (drafted round 4)
Jim Zorn (undrafted, tore it up for 8 years with Seattle)
Warren Moon (undrafted, six years in the CFL before going to Houston)
Dan Fouts (3rd round from University of Oregon)
Rich Gannon (round 4, Patriots, Vikings, Redskins, finally 4 pro-bowls and a superbowl with the Raiders)
Don Majkowski (drafted round 10 by the Packers, didn’t start until year 3, was an animal, and had his career stopped by a few bad injuries)
Brian Sipe (round 13, Cardiac Kids)
Jeff Garcia (undrafted, 4 years in the CFL, and 4 great years in San Fran)
Mark Brunell (round 5, two years later traded to Jacksonville)
Kurt Warner (scrapheap)
Tony Romo (undrafted)
Tom Brady (drafted round 6)
Joe Theismann (round 4)
Stan Humphries (round 6) Drafted by the Redskins and traded four years later to San Diego.
Jake Delhomme (undrafted, NFL Europe, New Orleans, and then Carolina)
So, just because Jaron’s staff sucked at developing Loseman and Edwards (both of whom I still believe could be decent QBs in the right situation), who is to say that Brohm cannot be a viable QB if Chan develops him properly (after we draft a OT in the first round)?
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 6, 2010 9:06 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think there’s anybody who is giving him no chance. By all means, give him time in training camp and in the preseason. If it turns out he’s the best we have available I’m fine with him taking over the offense.
I just have a problem with the mentality that there’s absolutely no reason to get a vet or draft another guy this year because we already have Brohm, who should totally just be handed the keys to the offense.
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by UZ on Feb 6, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ridiculous
…..we already have Brohm, who should totally just be handed the keys to the offense.
Who on this blog has ever said that ?
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
Not me.......... Ever..... Just say'in what nobody else would say.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 7, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know.....I agree with you.
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
If the point of the Pro-Brohm people isn’t that he should be the starting QB next year with no new competition to go against, there is no point at all since we all agree we should get rid of the guy.
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by UZ on Feb 7, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
Reading comprehension is a valuable skill
Give him a chance in camp
is not even in the same zip code as
…..we already have Brohm, who should totally just be handed the keys to the offense.
and I love this one
we all agree we should get rid of the guy
All of us have never All agreed about anything regarding the Bills……EVER! And that is what makes this fun. If I wanted to hear people with the exact same opinion as me, I would just talk while looking at a mirror through a kaleidoscope
If we end up with Vick, T.O., Richie I., and Porter….that is really pushing the dbag density limit for one team.
I feel the key point here is that the Bills dont have to draft a QB this year...
This team isnt ready for a QB yet, or at least not without an OL upgrade. The Texans ‘needed a franchise QB’ when they entered the league, then Carr got destroyed without a solid OL and bye-bye franchise QB.
The Bills should draft a top 3 LT at 9 (or try and trade for 15 and the giants 2nd for 9 and K. Williams then grab Bulaga) then draft skilled young players to develop in the new system, particularly on the front 7 of the defense.
There is NO QB worth wasting time on beyond Clausen and Bradford, and unfortunately they wont be around after the first pick is used on an LT. And by wasting time I also mean, more importantly, wasting picks that could be used on more skill and depth in the trenches and on the LB crew.
The secondary is good. The skill positions, (other than QB), on offense look pretty good on paper (not to say that some help at WR wouldnt be nice). The OL has the potential to be good with a good LT. The defensive front 7 is a mess with this transition. All the talk is about players learning new positions and trying to fit players into positions they arent ideal for. That makes LT, NT, LB, and DE the top areas this draft should address, in order of necessity.
There are QB’s in and around the league who could be acquired for this upcoming season, and maybe for a year or so beyond that. The best quarterbacks get a year+ of learning behind solid veterans, and the worst are thrown to the wolves behind poor OL’s.
I Think Brohm
is going to surprise people if he gets a chance. He can make all the throws and when he started his one game he made very few bad reads. It’s risky to hedge your bets on him but Bradford and Clausen may be gone before the Bills pick.
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Why not Brohm
Why not brohm? because he is not good.
why not brom
he got beat out for a roster spot by the 7th round pick matt flynn, He sucked in the atlanta game, and then got yanked for the 1st week after the atlanta game, he is not good and that is why he does not deserve to be considered for a starting job or any playing time at all
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