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So as the 2009 NFL season has came to and end I find myself already looking forward to next year. We have heard about all kinds of quarterbacks like Michael Vick, Chad Pennington, Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, and Sam Bradford. We have seen the shortcomings of Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Here is my opinon on the possible future quarterbacks of our beloved Bills.

Michael Vick has a career passing percentage of 53.7%. About half the time he throws the ball it is completed. That wouldn't be a bad stat for a running back or a kicker, but I have to expect more from the leader of my team. Vick would bring value with his rushing ability, and would no doubt provide a good show, but I don't want a good show. I want to win. Consistently. Chad Pennington can win but he is not our future. The noodle arm just won't cut it in Buffalo weather. Tim Tebow just seems like too much of a reach/risk at this point. Jimmy Clausen won't likely be available. Sam Bradford's arm injuries scare me. If a guy can't stay healthy at 20 what hope does he have for his middle age years?

I had so much hope for Trent Edwards. He looked like a quarterback, looked so poised in the pocket, and appeared to make such quick reads. Then we discovered that he won't make an intermediate throw. Why Trent!? WHY? I think this can be fixed. I don't know how, but I just feel like he has the tools. The problem is this team doesn't have any confidence left in him, and it showed. So what now?

I love Ryan Fitzpatrick... as my backup. He has a certain Dave Kreigesque swagger about him. The kind of guy you can still believe in late in the game when your starter goes down. We should keep him.

The only other likely option is the "developmental prospect" people keep asking for. The Dan Lefevour's or Jevan Sneed's. Or here is a novel idea, why don't we just run with the prospect already on our roster!

Introducing the starting Quarterback of the 2010 Buffalo Bills...

Okay I know we haven't seen that much about him yet but that is only because we haven't watched the tape. He was one of the highest rated quarterbacks throughout his High School career. He has always had the talent. He broke all the records at Louisville. When I am looking for a QB prospect I look for several things:

Production - His college production was great and only lacked a little consistency with his accuracy. He was Gatorades Player of the Year (2003), his freshman year he was named Conference USA Freshman of the Year, he was MVP of the 2007 Orange Bowl. His senior season he completed 308 of 473 passes for 4,024 yards for 30 touchdowns with 12 interceptions, giving him a QB Rating of 152. The Sporting News projected him as the top pick in the 2007 Draft and many other experts had projected him as going no later than the first round, but he went back for his senior season anyway trying to bring a championship to Louisville. The kid has heart.

Skills - He has played in two pro-style systems while at Louisville. He has experience running for his life and has showed he is mobile both in and out of the pocket. Maycock says he has good touch and very good timing. The one thing scouts seemed to really love with him, and something that distances himself from Edwards, is his ability to throw with anticipation. He doesn't have to wait till recievers get open. That is a night and day difference with Trent.

Size - 6'3" 235lbs. He has the size NFL scouts love. The height to see and the weight to stay healthy and stay up.

Okay so you have to admit that after reading this little section about this unknown QB it all sounds very good. Now what if I told you this quarterback sat on the bench for a year learning an NFL system. He was then picked up by the Bills and is ready to go. Sounds too good to be true right? I am sure everyone is keenly aware I have been talking about Brian Brohm but I didn't mention his name because I just wanted to talk about the abilities and the skills, rather than the fact that he has little NFL experience or the fact that the Packers let him walk. I think Brohm is worth a shot at starter next year and I wouldn't be surprised if Gailey feels the same way. And before everyone jumps out and says I am crazy and this is way too early, remember that when I wrote a post about how Bell could very well end up starting last August I was also called crazy. Crazier things have happened.

Poll
Who will be the starting Quarterback in Buffalo next year?
Brian Brohm
272 votes
Trent Edwards
81 votes
Ryan Fitzpatrick
45 votes
Michael Vick
88 votes
Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen
85 votes
A different free agent
252 votes
That late round QB prospect
35 votes

858 votes | Poll has closed

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How about adding an “I don’t know” option to the poll?

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 12:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i second that lol. I just hope its not edwards or fitz.

by csc06258 on Feb 8, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha that would have been way too easy, bringing in an easy 100%!

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by Seattlite on Feb 8, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well,
It probably won’t be Edwards but if they don’t dump him he might somehow impress Gailey, so I can’t say no to him.
Fitz played well in the games he played this season so you never know if he’ll get the starter nod if they don’t wind up getting a vet.
Brohm wasn’t able to crack the starting job in Green Bay, or even the starting roster after being a 2nd round pick. I’ll trust the Green Bay staff’s judgment and not say he’s the instant starter.
Vick might not even come to Buffalo, so I obviously can’t say him.
Clausen and Bradford would probably both do better with a year off to learn the ropes, especially Bradford. Can’t say either of them, unless they don’t bring in a vet.

Probably the best option would be to say “A different free agent” because it’s the least specific. But I still won’t say anything about who “WILL BE” the starter next year until well after draft day.

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, when you're behind a still young Aaron Rodgers...

…there’s no point in wasting a roster slot on a young QB.

by Richard Hill on Feb 9, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So cut him?

And keep a 7th rounder that’s the same age and a rookie from Harvard?

Yeah, that doesn’t make any sense…..

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I could live with giving Edwards 1 last chance.

When I see all the people giving so much Clausen love to take at “if he falls to 9” and I believe he will, I think I don’t see much difference between Clausen and Edwards in skill, In college results, Clausen had the edge because he had better players around him, In skill set, I don’t see much difference.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 8, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know if it is the skill set so much. For me it is just the gutsyness that Edwards seems to be lacking. I have to believe that he could have gotten the ball to Evans or Owens on an intermediate throw at least 5 times this season. I don’t remember seeing those throws and I don’t think it was because of his skill set. I don’t know why it was. The protection wasn’t ALWAYS that bad.

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by Seattlite on Feb 8, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Give Clausen the line we had last year.

And this blog will be calling captain checkdown and a bust.

Clausen checkdowned plenty in the big games he lost.

I don’t see a whole lot of difference, between Trent and Jimmy.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 8, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay you win...

I don’t want either then :)

Is this where you tell me we should wait on Locker?

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by Seattlite on Feb 8, 2010 3:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I sure would love to have him.

I just don’t know if we can get him if we wait, though I sure wish we could.

I just love his football instincts as he is now, and if he can keep getting better, look out, he’s gonna be a good one.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 9, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously? Jimmy has swagger, leadership, a great arm and has shown himself to be at least a little serviceable in the clutch.

How is he like Trent at all?!

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 4:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

clausen isnt as good as advertised IMO

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by BRIANMULHALL on Feb 8, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

iyo

I watched every ND game except for maybe two and Claussen is the real thing imo. He also has another quality that is absent from Trent’s repertoire, he’s tough as nails and will play through pain.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 8, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

imo. He also has another quality that is absent from Trent’s repertoire, he’s tough as nails and will play through pain.

He played through an injured toe and that’s tough as nails?

Let’s see how he plays after a few concussions behind a sieve makeshift offensive line, which hasn’t happened yet.

The games I’ve watched of Clausen (And I admit, it was the games against better opponents), he can’t hit receivers in stride much like Trent, and he throws floaters with too much height on deep balls much like Trent. But he is accurate on short passes, but he can’t lead receivers very well, once again, just like Trent. I see no reason to spend a pick on Clausen, we already have him on the roster, his name is Trent Edwards, all we need is a toe injury for Trent to play through or a Concussion for Jimmy when he is drafted to prove my point.

 

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 9, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One of Trent's worst attribute

is avoiding pressure. Out of all the starting QBs in the league last year, I’d say Trent is the worst — he lets the hits get to him instead of trying to avoid them or taking a side step to create time for his receivers to make a play happen. I’d say Trent has to take at least 50% of the responsibilities of his concussions. Even David Gerrard, Tavaris Jackson, and Jason Campbell are better than Trent in this area. I think this is called pocket-presence. Unless Trent has a way to learn this trait, otherwise Trent can never become a legit starting QB in the NFL.

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by moncheri on Feb 9, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm putting the concussions on the OL.

Adrian Wilson smacked him so bad, I don’t blame Trent for being gun shy with these losers we have blocking for him.

I still think to this day Wilson got away with an illegal helmet to helmet.

How many concussions have you had?

I have a had a fewm the first one when I got hit by a car going 40 MPH.

I’m willing to give Trent one last chance,

Concussions are nasty if you are lucky enough not to break bones or ligaments.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 11, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are not lucky enough

to not break bones or ligaments they are 10x worse

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 11, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the arm

Claussen can make all the throws and he is able to put zip on them.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 8, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Claussen can make all the throws and he is able to put zip on them.

He floats the long ball….just like Trent.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 9, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, he puts more air under his deep ball...

Is that really such a negative? If he’s accurate with it, isn’t that what matters?

Jim Kelly put a lot of air under his deep ball too….

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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not accurate with it.

He neads leaping receiver to make up for his ability when he puts up the deep ball.

You will never hear me saying Kelly couldn’t put the ball on the money on a deep post because he always did to reed. I can’t count how many times from memory that Kelly hit Reed for a TD on a deep post from around the 40, but it was A LOT and their money play.

With Jimmy putting up to much air, under the ball, I just don’t see the differences in skill set, between Clausen and Edwards.

Swagger, probably? toughness maybe? Results, arm strength, accuracy, anticipation, I don’t see much difference.

I don’t think Clausen or Edwards could ever hit the deep post like Kelly did to Reed, I see them both as equals who belong in a WCO if they can get better at hitting receivers in stride. Which is a skill both need. If you are accurate, the next step in development is learning anticipation, so you can deliver the ball on time to the receiver who is open where they don’t have to slow up or stop to catch it, something Jimmy and Trent can’t do yet.

I see no difference this year..
.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 11, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

everyone seems to be discounting garrard in these QB things. i’d rather have a proven commodity under center than someone who’s played as bad as brohm in his time in the league…garrard throws more passes in one outing than brohm has in his career.

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by the_prophet on Feb 8, 2010 12:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

But Brohm has played in only one regular NFL game — the one against Atlanta this past season — and he looked pretty good considering that he had not even had a chance to learn the playbook or develop any chemistry with his receivers. I don’t have any idea if he is The Answer for the Bills — and I’ll leave that to Buddy and Chan to figure out. But to say he has played “bad” in his NFL career is completely inaccurate.

by Macktruck on Feb 8, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t play “bad” in his NFL career starting games in the regular season, but he was certainly bad enough in preseason to turn GB off from him.

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who cares?

He was a rookie, he’s competitive and he was overconfident, he said it himself. He was definitely trying too hard. When you’d like the starting job and your competition is Aaron Rodgers, I can that he pushed the envelop a bit too much.

I agree with Seattlite that we are very lucky to have him on our bench and he might surprize a lot of Rumblers this off season.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 8, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be thrilled if he turned out to be as good as some people seem to think he is.

I’m just saying that I’m not putting that much stock into a guy who got beat for the practice squad by a guy drafted 5 rounds after him the same season.

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that the same Green Bay braintrust that signed Duke Preston?

I wouldn’t base your opinion solely on green Bay’s decision to demote Brohm. Every team is capable of making personnel errors. And every young player is capable of improving.

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by dzil on Feb 8, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Signing a guy to the league minimum and giving him a shot at making it as a back-up and basically letting a guy who you picked in the 2nd round leave and getting zero compensation for him only a year after he was drafted isn’t even comparable.

I agree that the Packers aren’t perfect but come on, that is bad reasoning right there.

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by sireric on Feb 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad reasoning? How about acknowledging the fact that Green Bay matched Buffalo’s 2 year contract offer for Brohm, but he refused it and chose to come here instead. People are trying to make it sound as though he was cut. Why would they offer him a contract if they had no future plans for him? They didn’t give him away, he was stolen.
    On the other hand, the Bills simply threw Preston to the curb and GB scooped him right up, then realized he was junk and tossed him back out.
    Green Bay’s actions, in both cases, are virtual admissions of error.

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by dzil on Feb 9, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

good point

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 9, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How much is that two year contract worth? Would it be essentially the same any third quarterback would receive? How much is guaranteed?

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by jj24 on Feb 9, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They didn’t give him away, he was stolen.
, but he refused it and chose to come here instead.

That isn’t the Bills stealing him that is him choosing to leave.

GB simply matched a low offer from the Bills, if they kept him he would have remained 3rd string at best, and probably wouldn’t have made the team next year. he knew that and that is why he chose to come to Buffalo where the QB competition is much weaker. GB gave him the offer because he was a 2nd round pick only 1 year ago. They wanted to give him a shot at panning out so that they could get at least some return on their investment but they were only willing to dump so much money into it …that is why they didn’t BEAT Buffalo’s offer.

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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand, the Bills simply threw Preston to the curb and GB scooped him right up, then realized he was junk and tossed him back out.

Preston was a free agent for two months before he signed, that isn’t being scooped right up. And again, what is the harm in giving a guy with some starting experience a look in training camp? They gave him a very small contract, took a look, saw crap and cut ties with little to no loss.

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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and Dallas scooped Preston up after GB cut him and I’m sure another team will give him a look this spring. I’m not sure why Preston is at all relevant here.

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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Green Bay did cut him. He didn’t make the 53 man roster out of camp and Buffalo was only able to steal him because the Packers let it happen. If they had any confidence in Brohm, they wouldn’t have cut him. Young QBs like Brohm have too much potential value to discard unless you’re pretty sure he’s never going to reach that value.

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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

uhhhhh....
People are trying to make it sound as though he was cut.

He was cut. How else would he have wound up on their PS?

If GB had such big plans or expectations for him, he’d have been on the roster and not the practice squad.

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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just like how the Bills didn’t put Bell on the PS his rookie year. They didn’t want to risk losing him.

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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or Steve Johnson last year. Or even Ellis Lankster this year. It’s what I always use in this argument and I’ll throw it out there again. The Packers kept 3 FBs when they cut Brohm. He wasn’t let go due to any sort of roster logjam.

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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, when it comes to Garrard, I just haven’t followed him that much. I think it is safe to say that he hasn’t established himself as somebody people to refer to as either a star or a person with a lot of untapped potential. I could be wrong though. Looking over his stats it seems he has improved for the most part every year. At 31 he isn’t young anymore but could be an option. My concern is that if a average QB comes to a bad team, his production will drop, and there is no room for him to drop and remain a starter.

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by Seattlite on Feb 8, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldnt mind seeing Brohm play next year.

we really have no better option unless we get clausen. I would really like Tebow tho, not to start next year but to develop and mold for the future.

by csc06258 on Feb 8, 2010 12:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why are we discussing tight ends all of a sudden?

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh crap my bad.

So as soon as I post this I read that Blobillsfootball has just made a very similar post yesterday. I guess I am gonna call this piggybacking on his post. Sorry for the repeating.

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by Seattlite on Feb 8, 2010 1:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/2/6/1298493/why-not-brohm

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by Seattlite on Feb 8, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After the period when we were getting 46 Aaron Maybin posts a day

I think this is a refreshing change!

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha. I really hope I have not made myself a part of any such trend :)

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by Seattlite on Feb 8, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is the Charlie Whitehurst option

i think thats his name right the backup form san diego…i wouldnt mind billy volek or maybe even marc bulger if the rams go after vick

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by BRIANMULHALL on Feb 8, 2010 7:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bills won't have winning record in 2010 so

why not get some talent at other positions like wr and ol this year and get a good qb next year. Clausen is a loser in the mold of Quinn and Mirer. Bradford would break in Buffalo. I like some of the later round qb but only as projects. I think Dez Bryant would look good in a Bills uniform.

by ScioTiger on Feb 8, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

How could you possibly be rooting for the Bills to take a WR in the first round when there will be at least 2 or 3 game-breaking Defensive players available at #9?!

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There will be a few starting caliber LTs and that’s where we need to go. Without fixing our LT position we have very little hope for 2010, it’s more than a priority, it’s the only sane thing to do.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 8, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

smacks forehead I was going to mention LT’s as well in that post, d’oh!

I just hate the idea that anyone could possibly want them to draft a WR, RB etc in the first round.

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sleeper

I see Brohm as a sleeper as well. I don’t think he will be starting next year. But I do see him as a long term contender. Just listen to what his old center had to say..

by sandy clam on Feb 8, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If our QB tandem next season is Brohm, a veteran to start and a rookie from this years draft I’ll be ecstatic.

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

FA Veteran options:
1) David Carr
2) Pennington
3) Chris Redman

I still think Carr can be a starter again in this league, I’d love to see Nix bring him in to compete with Brohm and either Fitz or Edwards. I’d like to see us draft Lefevour in the 4-5th if he’s available, which would mean going into the season with 4 QBs – not sure that makes sense or would happen.

I wonder how much we could get for Edwards or Fitz? We could trade one of the two to a team that needs a backup, I wonder if we could get a 4th or 5th??

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 8, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to wonder if Carr has been affected with Bulger syndrome where he got sacked so much in Houston that he’s wiling to toss it into triple coverage to just get it away from him so he doesn’t get pummeled again.

I’d like Carr for sure though. Him, Jason Campbell and Pennington (in no particular order) would be my top 3. Kyle Orton would be awesome too if Denver decided to dump him.

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

David Carr??

Give me a break. Despite what you think about him getting hit a lot in Houston, he never really has shown any ability to be a legit starter in this league. I would take Brohm, Edwards, Fitz, Pennington, Vick, Tebow, Pike, Lefeavour, etc before I’d take that schmuck. Did you see his last start in Buffalo for Houston a few years ago when he set or tied the all-time completions record with 25 straight, but like more than half of them were for 0 to negative yardage.

by live6453 on Feb 8, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keysh

Honestly, have you watched David Carr? The guy is terrible.

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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t say horrible. He did a nice job with the Giants these past two years.

He’s just a little…. jumpy. With good reason.

by BillsfanDan on Feb 9, 2010 6:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He came in late in blowouts

And threw short passes for the part. I’m not sure how his Giants tenure is relevant at all….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps it has helped his confidence to be behind a good offensive line. I think if he gets rid of the ball sooner, it wouldnt be a bad option for a year.

But I really like the idea of taking in Pennington and teaching the other QBs and groom them.

by BillsfanDan on Feb 9, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how much these veterans actually focus on teaching the young guys. I think with some they must put the effort in, while others lead by example. I would think a guy like Pennington still believes he is starter material and wouldn’t want to coach himself out of a job. If he would help, I think he could really teach well.

"I lost my mind three months ago when I woke up married to a pineapple, an ugly pineapple... I still love her though."

by Seattlite on Feb 9, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pennington got rave reviews for the attention he gave to Henne and he’s openly talking about his desire to return to Miami to be the backup. Here’s an article about Pennington’s desire to go back to Miami to continue to mentor Henne and how, even though he’s a FA, he stuck around in Miami and helped the QBs scout the opposing team’s defense each week and would watch the games from home on Sunday and text Henne and Sparano his thoughts after the game.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/on-the-rehab-trail-chad-pennington-hopes-he-67487.html

And after signing with Miami, Pennington said this about being a mentor:

I see myself in all aspects, by nature, I enjoy playing the mentor role. It doesn’t matter if I’m the starter or not, I enjoy playing that role because I think thats part of your job as a veteran, part of your responsibility as a veteran in this league, to help the young guys along, to show them things you’ve learned along with the way. I’ve had great veterans in my time to help me—Vinny Testeverde, Curtis Martin, Wayne Chrebet, those guys helped me tremendously, not only as a football player but how to be a professional. As a young player, thats the biggest challenge, the Xs and Os take care of itself, its about how to be a pro on and off the field. And it takes a lot, it takes a lot of energy and focus to do that.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2008/08/chad-pennington.html

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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

That is awesome, count me on the Pennington train…

"I lost my mind three months ago when I woke up married to a pineapple, an ugly pineapple... I still love her though."

by Seattlite on Feb 10, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice find

I always liked Pennington. I think he is a fantastic QB. And the knock on him and his arm strength is a little misguided. Yes, it is weak, but this does not mean he can’t throw the ball down the field. He can hit the long bomb. I think he has most of his trouble with the 5 and 10 yard outs. Without a good amount of zip on the ball they can get jumped pretty easily. I think if he is used properly, he can still be a very effective QB. To me, its a no brainer if you want to pick up a QB for the next 3 years.

by BillsfanDan on Feb 10, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have and I like him. I think his tendency is to hold on to the ball too much but everyone knows that. He tough as nails. And I think that being a backup behind Eli for a few years has done him good, I’d give him another chance. If he doesn’t win the job over Brohm or Fitz so be it, he’ll back them up. But I think he might surprise a lot of naysayers

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 9, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Brohm should get a shot at starting QB, i mean, look what happened to Farve at the beginning of his career

by NotReadytoRock on Feb 8, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

"The QB Plan" was just delivered to me via clandestine courier......

…. just got this from a top secret source. Or not.
Free agent: Sign Jeff Flutie …..errrrrrhhh…. Doug Garcia to a two year for peanuts.
Trade or outright release Capin’ Checkdown if that’s not possible.
Draft Rolando and Fat guys this year. Add a couple cheap Free Agents.
This year’s QBs: Garcia, Fitz, Brohm.
Spring 2011: Draft a QB in the 1st Round and he can play behind whoever the starter is for a year
Its my fantasy dream, let me live it.
Now go ahead and bust my balls.
:-)

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 8, 2010 6:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Garcia’s got much left in the tank. He sure is a great competitor even though he seems like a jacka$$ of a teammate.

I just think we need to draft a LT in the first round. We should never have let Peters go but that’s besides the point now.. We need to fix the Line more than anything else. Then I agree, LBs & DTs sound like a good plan to me.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 8, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know why I keep coming back to read comments on this post.

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by jj24 on Feb 8, 2010 7:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Masochism? :D

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by UZ on Feb 8, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m as intrigued about Brian Brohm as the next guy, but he was a monumental flop in GB. There are no excuses for him getting cut and the reason he ended up on the PS was because he played his way off the roster. Teams don’t draft a QB in the 2nd round who doesn’t fit the same offense as the starter. Brohm didn’t flop because it wasn’t the right situation. He didn’t lose his job due to a logjam at the QB position and when Brohm didn’t make the team out of camp, they only kept 2 QBs. The Packers thought that Brohm as a 3rd QB and developmental player was a worse use of a roster spot than a 3rd FB/special teamer type as Quinn Johnson, Korey Hall and Spencer Havner all made the team. Brohm was abysmal in the preseason constantly checking down and often making terrrible reads and I’d imagine he wasn’t much better in practice if Green Bay was willing to give up on him so quickly. Teams don’t cut 2nd rounders that fast unless they are really, really bad. For Green Bay to go from thinking he was the best player available when they drafted him to cutting him in one season is an incredible loss of faith in his abilities.

And here’s a fun fact: Chris Ellis was taken 15 picks after Brohm. Maybe we should just completely ignore the rush linebacker position with him on the roster?

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by kaisertown on Feb 8, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thats a heck of an idea.. let me start working on my Chris Ellis to start post….

"I lost my mind three months ago when I woke up married to a pineapple, an ugly pineapple... I still love her though."

by Seattlite on Feb 8, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

That was funny!

by buffalobacker on Feb 9, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I find it interesting that more people think Michael Vick will be our starter than Trent Edwards or Ryan Fitzpatrick…two guys already on our roster.

I know Brohm hasn’t proven anything yet and I am not saying that him starting will be good for us. I guess I am just saying that we are gonna suck anyways so we might as give the guy with unknown potential a shot until we can find something that has more promise for the future. We know what we have in the others… Brohm is an unknown.

"I lost my mind three months ago when I woke up married to a pineapple, an ugly pineapple... I still love her though."

by Seattlite on Feb 8, 2010 11:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

but why give him a shot if hes not ready?

Green Bay obviously didn’t think he was ready and neither did Buffalo when they put Fitzpatrick back in the lineup over him. I agree with you that there is an outside chance Brohm may have what it takes in this league. But obviously not yet and obviously not now. Let him learn on the bench as a back up – in my mind, that is the best thing we can do for his future.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 9, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

of course he wasn’t ready. he had virtually no practice time and hadn’t learned the play book. I can’t imagine how Gailey could pass judgement on Brohm until at least after training camp. don’t be surprised if the Bills head into training camp with 5 or more QB prospects. It’s gonna be quite awhile before anybody knows who buffalo’s starting QB will be. If I had to bet, I’d say the odds are that it will be a seasoned vet.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Feb 9, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our playbook was barely longer than the Bills’ playbook in Super Tecmo Bowl.

"You can put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit. If it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, I'll buy you a new car."

by jj24 on Feb 9, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tecmo Super Bowl? Super Tecmo Bowl?? Someone help! I’m losing my youth!!! :)

"You can put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit. If it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, I'll buy you a new car."

by jj24 on Feb 9, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Two words change and hope. I just want to be able to hope for a better future, and that starts with a better QB.

"I lost my mind three months ago when I woke up married to a pineapple, an ugly pineapple... I still love her though."

by Seattlite on Feb 9, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hope and change

are empty cries unless they have anything to back them up.

hope is not hope if its baseless and change is not really change unless it alters an outcome or state of things.

If your hope is Brian Brohm then my hope is Trent Edwards, if your change is a different bad quarterback then my change is a different bad LT – Meredith for Bell.

You say your hope starts with a better QB – well then I suggest you start praying we trade up for Clausen or trade for Donovan McNabb because Brohm is going to let you down if you throw him in as a starter.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 9, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay Poz but....

He can’t let me down as a starter until week 1. That gives me a whole offseason of hope! I wouldn’t say it is completely baseless, he has shown talent at some point in his career, even if it was in college. So I guess just not COMPLETELY baseless. I am thinking it is more the hope I want than the change, and I still would rather see Trent succeed more than anyone else. I just need some reason to believe in him again. I don’t think Brohm is gonna light it up by any means… but at least with him I haven’t seen him fail yet and that gives me more hope than anything… but then again I haven’t seen Meredith or Bell at QB yet either so maybe they could start :)

And one thing politics has taught me is that “Hope and Change” doesn’t always mean well vested hope and change for the better.

"I lost my mind three months ago when I woke up married to a pineapple, an ugly pineapple... I still love her though."

by Seattlite on Feb 9, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but at least with him I haven’t seen him fail yet

Isnt it sad that being Bills fan has come to this – sigh…

And one thing politics has taught me is that "Hope and Change" doesn’t always mean well vested hope and change for the better.

;-)

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Feb 10, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Get Mcnabb, in free agency tomorrow is today

It seems few are in favor of trading a high draft pick (1st or 2nd) for McNabb. I would trade a 2nd for Mcnabb in an instant and might throw in another low round pick for him contingent upon reaching a 4 year extension with Mcnabb.

Most agree our biggest needs on offense are QB and Offensive line (specifically LT). There are no guarantees in the draft. If we draft a QB this year our best case scenario would be a Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco outcome. There is an equal chance of having an Alex Smith or Ryan Leaf outcome. If we draft a LT in the first round we may end up with Jake Long or with Mike Williams. A first round draft pick guarantees nothing at all, just look at our picks over the past decade.

Bottom line is McNabb solves one of our two biggest problem positions on offense for the next 3 or 4 years. His game is not predicated on running so a few years of age should not result in vast deterioration of his skill set. We would be able to develop another QB (Brohm or a future draft pick) to take over from Mcnabb in 3 or 4 yrs. When is the last time the Bills have had 3, let alone 4 years of solid quarterbacking? This move would enable us to use next years #1 on a qb and let him sit and learn ala Rogers.

I might even be willing to trade the # 9 pick o see 3 or 4 steady years of high level QB play for the Bills. When was the last time we had 3 years of steady competent quarterbacking on this team?

Is McNabb worth a 1st? Lets think: Williams, Whitner, Lynch, McKelvin, Maybin (I know its early). Or McNabb.

Yep, I’ll take McNabb for 4 years.

by WhatGoesAround on Feb 12, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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