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We've had reports from ESPN folk who apparently have too much time on their hands, with their network not doing the game. Adam Schefter says multiple teams have asked the Birds about all three of their quarterbacks and three teams have called about Michael Vick. Sal Paolantonio added that three teams - Cleveland, Denver and Buffalo - have had multiple conversations with the Eagles about Donovan McNabb.

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Think he could be had for our 2nd round pick?

by bub832 on Feb 8, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

I’d much rather have Kolb than 30-something, downside of his career McNabb, if the price is comparable.

by tm on Feb 8, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

McNabb

If the Bills even consider trading a high pick for him, they are nuts. IMO, McNabb can only get a team so far, as we’ve all seen. He can have some great games but then throw some totally uncalled for stinkers up against terrible teams. He’s worth pursuing, but only at the right price.

It would be an interesting scenario too, because McNabb is loved throughout much of upstate NY. With his age and weaknesses, I still wouldn’t give up more than a 3rd and some change. If a trade did occur, that’s the ticket-selling big splash that may be necessary…

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by Kurupt on Feb 8, 2010 11:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

It would effectively end Owens’ career in Buffalo.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 8, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

So?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 8, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Just the facts, I have no issue with it, though I do enjoy Owens as a player.

I’m a HUGE McNabb fan and wanted the team to go for him years ago. I could care less if he struggles a bit come late in the playoffs. Think about those words: “late in the playoffs!”

So

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 8, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s a west coast system guy and I am not certain that the old dog can learn new tricks. Gailey is anything but Westcoast, run, run run Forest!

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 8, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

excellent!

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Feb 8, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

They were reportedly hanging out together in Miami this week unless I’m severely mistaken.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 8, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I probably wouldn’t even give up that much. Figure the team is at least a year or two away from contending, by then McNabb is 36, and well into his decline phase. By the time the team is competitive, they’ll be looking for a new QB again.

by tm on Feb 8, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

why not

use this opportunity for a draft and develop scenario?

Trade for McNabb and take a QB this year. Let McNabb play for one/two years while the guy develops on the bench, then let the newbie take over the team while McNabb is declining.

Seems like a win-win to me.

by nickfeely8 on Feb 8, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

because next years QB crop is probably going to be a bit better.......

talent wise.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 8, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

mcnabb is 33.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

my bad tm,

thought you were saying he’s 36 now… misread it.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

So???????
McNabb can only get a team so far, as we’ve all seen.

a lot further than we’ve been lately……

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 8, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

So McNabb has had trouble winning the Championship game..So what? At least he got there, which would be fantastic at this point.

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by sireric on Feb 8, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't say it was a bad thing

Just some people would expect him to instantly turn this team into a contender…

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by Kurupt on Feb 8, 2010 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

same people who think Vick would be a savior too........

or Chan Gailey……..

(holding back giggles)

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 8, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it would turn us into a contender faster than any other QB we can take save for Pennington.

I’d be on board – but i’m also with you K – we cannot give up too much for him. We need as many picks as possible. no thank you to a 1st or 2nd rounder

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by J2 on Feb 8, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Pennington would be no better benefit to this team than Fitzpatrick. I’ll take an erratic QB who can throw downfield a bit and get out of the pocket over a guy who you need to surround with Corey-McIntrye-type receivers.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 8, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone can be successful if you surround him with receivers like corey mcintyre.

wait what?

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I forcast an even more yawn-inspiring Lee Evans if Chad Pennington is his QB.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 8, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he’s got a noodle arm, but I’m not so sure Pennington wouldn’t have connected on a few more of those fly routes. at least he has a semblance of touch.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

More concerning than his noodle arm is his complete inability to stay healthy. If they sign him, they better sign someone better than Fitz as the backup.

by tm on Feb 8, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys are tear me up for this one...

I keep seeing Pennington’s name out there (and I am not against that signing at all)…but what about these two:

Troy Smith or Marc Bulger. Smith is fairly unproven, but he is mobile, smart, he’s a competitor and a leader with a solid arm. Bulger’s arm is not an issue, although his accruacy of late is, as well as his defensive reading abilities, but he is proven he can win games (earlier in his career) and I heard from an STL fan (the corp I work for is HQ’d in STL and some there have inroads to STL Ram football) they play to release Bulger outright. He also said they are targeting C. McCoy in the 2nd.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

wow...many typos...

*are tear me → are gonna tear me
*an STL fan → a STL fan
*they play → they plan

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Smith hasn’t proven anything, trading a pick for him is no different than drafting a rookie in the middle rounds of the draft. I guess if they like him better than the guys that will be available at that point, it’s not a bad idea. I personally don’t think he’ll ever be a decent starter, mainly because of his height, but then again, look what Brees has done and he’s not much taller.

Bulger is done. He’s basically an older Trent Edwards at this point – completely shell shocked and incapable of standing in the pocket. Without a decent o-line, he’s useless to the Bills.

by tm on Feb 8, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Good points...

Although I think Smith has some potential in him that could be used and the expectations for Smith would be muted to the point that he could learn the offese this year, we draft a QB next year and Smith tutors him to take over that year or the next while still serving as a backup (the whole expectation thing works for Smith too in that he may not demand that he start if the situation played out that way). I am just thinking about when we actually find our QB, will our start at that point do things to destry the young QBs confidence or will he help the team and the young QB? I think Smith is less likely to do that that any other player available right now.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Pennington would be no better benefit to this team than Fitzpatrick. I’ll take an erratic QB who can throw downfield a bit and get out of the pocket

I think you are very wrong on this, Pennington isn’t throwing 50 yards thru the air fly patterns, but he would be hitting slants, running backs out of the backfield , and crossing patterns in stride something neither Trent or Fitz can do consistently.

With Trent the receivers need to stop to catch the ball because he has no anticipation of the spot to throw to, so he is horrible at leading the receiver which could be fixed through good coaching.

Fitz on the other hand is too inaccurate to hit them in stride on a consistent basis, sometimes he will, sometimes he’ll throw it at their feet, sometimes he’ll throw a pick.

You can win with Pennington much easier than Fitz, YAC will go thru the roof with Pennington, because he has great anticipation at leading the receiver on short routes and has great ability at delivering the ball on time where receivers don’t have to slow up or stop to catch the ball.

I’ll take Pennington over Fitz anyday.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Feb 9, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

"McNabb can only get a team so far, as we’ve all seen."

It would be nice to only get “so far.” The Bills haven’t even been “only so far” in a long time.

by oompaloompa on Feb 8, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

McNabb is a difference maker

His team goes to the playoffs every year. Plus he would give the O some much needed leadership.

by MarinoTheBill on Feb 8, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Imagine how good he might be with an actual running attack?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Westbrook?

For most of his career it was lack of receivers that was the problem.

by oompaloompa on Feb 8, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

westbrook has never, ever been a true running back.

by quantumuprising on Feb 8, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Although he is the best receiving back in the NFL.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s Faulk without the rushing ability.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 8, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his catching ability is better than Faulk’s, but his running ability is average at best.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

What exactly is a true RB?

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by Kurupt on Feb 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In today's game

Adrian Peterson comes to mind, though he is getting into the passing game a bit now. In days gone by, Jim Brown and OJ Simpson. Guys who tote the rock.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 8, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

so guys who tote the rock and fumbling an insanely amount of times for as good as they are supposed to be?

a la AP?

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 8, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Adrian Peterson comes to mind, though he is getting into the passing game a bit now.

So you cant be a true RB if your team tries to throw the ball to you?

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I kinda like the idea of McNabb for a few reasons.

1) He will be a good mentor to any young QB that the Bills have behind him.

2) He would add some stability to the QB position, which is something the Bills haven’t had for quite some time.

3) He would be a good draw. Like K said, because of his days at Syracuse he is still pretty well loved in upstate NY and he would be a nice gate draw.

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by sireric on Feb 8, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not going to lie

But as an alum and a huge McNabb fan from SU, I’d buy his jersey here….

I still don’t want them throwing a high pick away for him a la the Bledsoe deal….

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 8, 2010 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If they bite on a third and onther pick next year would you bite?

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I’m with K on this, I don’t want to spend ANY draft picks on anyone…AT ALL.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

So they should just pass on all of their picks and sign a bunch of undrafted guys? That doesn’t seem like the best strategy.

by tm on Feb 8, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If anything… we should be going the other way with that. Gaining more draft picks for players. Trading Schobel would be smart. Expecially if it can bring in 2 picks. 3rd and a 5th-6th. Also trying to get anything out of Kelsey would be nice. – (Ko Simpson for a 7th cond.)

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by bflo on Feb 8, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the McNabb idea

Smart on all accounts, which you listed.

The issue is the price (in terms of trade value). In this trade, I think Phily would want a 1st round pick. Buffalo would do it for a third. 2nd rounder seems about right.

With the depth in this year’s draft, I’d do it for a 2011 2nd rounder.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 8, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

McNabb

I would be all for it. I think he would immediately upgrade the Bills and most importantly provide the kind of leadership by example that would elevate the entire offense. I just don’t like the rookie QB class at all. I think finding a stop gap is a better route and upgrading the defense as much as possible.

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by MARVelous on Feb 8, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I just don’t like the rookie QB class at all. I think finding a stop gap is a better route and upgrading the defense as much as possible

rec’d just for that.

i’ll expand that saying that I think we should focus on upgrading both our O lines and D front 7 this draft and probably next draft. QBs this year just don’t do much for me – but that also doesn’t mean much…..

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by J2 on Feb 8, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would we want to kill what's left of Mcnabb's career?

I mean seriously,he’s an older guy let him go to a contender that needs a QB. Not a rebuilding team. Just my 2 cents.

by mob16151 on Feb 8, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

That’s what I was thinking. What a sad end to a career if he ended up in Buffalo. I don’t wish this team in the condition it is now on any QB. Not until we at least have an Oline.

by oompaloompa on Feb 8, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Acquiring McNabb now ,while cool

would be like putting a band-aid on a guy who just had his arm cut off.

by mob16151 on Feb 8, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, but after 10 years without the playoffs, I’m not exactly for my favorite team being chivalrous rather than trying to get better.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 8, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, again – don’t really care about chivalry.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 8, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not just chivalry

Maybe I’m not making my point clear here. It would be a waste. He’s a band aid. He’s a short term fix. I don’t want this team to acquire band aids. i want them t build from the ground up. I want a decade of success not a season. And Mcnabb while a nice player isn’t going to deliver that.

by mob16151 on Feb 8, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as they bring in an heir apparent, what’s the problem?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 8, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm the type of guy who wants the heir apparent playing not sitting.

I know i’m in the minority on that one,but it seems like most of the great QB’s are the ones that are just thrown into the fire and allowed to take there lumps. And I als want the young QB out there growing with the team. Not sitting behind a veteran stop gap.

by mob16151 on Feb 8, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

But I freely admit that's just my opinion.

I acknowledge and respect that others feel differently……….though I can’t imagine why ;)

by mob16151 on Feb 8, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, Matt Schuab, Tony Romo, Mcnabb, Aaron Rodgers.

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by nolander on Feb 8, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Jim Kelly,John Elway,Peyton Manning,Troy Aikman, Drew Brees

Ben Roethleisburger(sp) Dan Marino…………..my all star QB’s are better than your all star QB’s lol

by mob16151 on Feb 9, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What if the 2nd rounder...

would be used to get a guy who is needed to protect the new QB (OT?) where we get one, or if it would be for the NT we so desparately need. Next years QB class will be better, lets go out there with what we have and fight and scrap and keep getting better every year, not turning over player after player for the quick fix.

Like JPH, I also have a problem with the acquisition price.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

the one thing

is McNabb would have to embrace the move. Coming to a young team, new coaching staff, and a decade of futility would be a tough pill to swallow for one of the NFL’s best QB’s over the last decade. He would have to find the motivation and see it as a good fit to come to a place like Buffalo. There is no question that this regime, like all of the past ones, will reach success or failure based on how they fix the QB position.

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by MARVelous on Feb 8, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Depends on what you think of our current roster. My vote is no.

Unless you think a quarterback is the difference between the team as it stands now and a playoff team, you just can’t give up more than a 3rd rounder or so. I think this team has too many other holes on both sides of the ball to justify packaging picks for a 33 year old QB. And I say that as a big believer in mcnabb who thought he always got a bit of an unfair rap. It’s not him that’s the problem, it’s giving up young players (in this case draft picks) for a guy who I don’t think will be a good quarterback the next time the bills are a good football team. I wouldn’t do it.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

As long as they rework his contract and include a clause that he has to do that air guitar every time he comes out of the tunnel

by DCBillsBacker on Feb 8, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Under 2 Conditions

We don’t give up more than a 3rd… and we draft someone with long-term potential (eh em Tebow). Honestly there’s no better scenario in which to bring Tebow in is behind a pretty reliable and effective vet like McNabb. McNabb just might even be more effective on team that is committed to the run.

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by ForeignArrow on Feb 8, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Him who shall not be named!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and we draft someone with long-term potential (eh em Tebow).

by mob16151 on Feb 8, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree, except I wouldn’t give more than a 4th rounder for McNabb. We have too many other positions to restock on this roster…

And with the 9th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select...Hey, Buddy, you can't select a high school senior!!!

by Blitz on Feb 8, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh!
Honestly there’s no better scenario in which to bring Tebow in is behind a pretty reliable and effective vet like McNabb.

Yeah, I guess, unless we decide to stop wasting picks on old vets and college superstars and upgrade the trenches on both sides and then we go out and get a real QB (you know, like one that can hit his targets, take a snap from center, not be a D-bag, not throw up on the field and still has both knees).

Ol’ Wooden Knees McNabb and Thunderin’ Timmy T-Bag recieve a big ass “NO THANK YOU” from me…

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

dang son

d-bag? really? is that called for?

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 8, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Still… calling him a d-bag doesn’t really do anything to help your argument. Kind of hurts it, actually.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 8, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that...

My take on Tebow is biased by my own personal feelings for him…I can’t remove the feelings from personal situation because the last thing I want to do is turn on the game and see a starting QB I despise (again for my own personal reasons). Same goes for Kobe Bryant…I would stop rooting for my team (Sacramento Kings) if he were on it.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha well your a kings fan!!

big surprise you hate the Lakers superstar.

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by poz on Feb 8, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

: )

Slightly more to it than that (I dont like his attitude).

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

the same reasons you hate kobe

is probably why i like him so much! haha

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 8, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Maybe, for me it was the game in which he just missed a shot (after deciding to take on the whole team himself), and PJ was yelling at Kobe about spreading the ball around and then Kobe did it…he did the mock hand-talking jesture while looking away from PJ. Complete disregard for authority, no respect for the game/the players/the coaches and worst of all the refs. He acts as if he is Mr. Glass and every time he gets touched he thinks he should be given free throws or the ball back. He is a uber-talented pansy/punk IMO.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

As a Kings fan......

I would kill for a Kobe Bryant…….

Instead of dealing with the annual choke jobs of Chris Webber….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I stopped watching the Kings after Bibby left......

I was never really the same after 2002 anyways…..Mike Bibby will forever be my favorite King……he was the man for that team for so long…..

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 8, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

kobe has just got to be one of the most

confident people on this planet. its incredible. and yea kobe was pretty immature in his early years, but in the last 3-4 years, he has become a totally different player. problem is, he will never live down his rep. but love him or hate him, id rather have the ball in his hands if the game is on the line, more than any other player including lebron.

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 8, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha SS3K
the last 3-4 years, he has become a totally different player

Why do you have to pop my bubble…I know he has changed, but I formed my opinion of him back then, then he went on to torch my team 8 times a year every year since. Now, I am too lazy to change my opinion of him, the only two players IMO with more skill/talent are LeBron & D. Howard. I can’t say Kobe lacks superstar talent though.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

ha

fair enough. like my undying hatred for brady……is it so wrong that he gets hit by a bus? (jk…)

(but before i get spammed about my other comment about disliking people, this is obviously a joke, and i would love him on this team)

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 8, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I could go for Brady...

the hatred I have for him is rooted purely in jealousy…

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

From A Life Long Bills Fan

I was given a Bills jersey when I was two from my uncle who was from BLO and I have been a fan since (I am also a closet 49ers fan)…but if Tebow joined the Bills, my allegiance to this team would wither and die immediately.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

A Bills fan

doesnt lose allegiance to a team because of one player. The team is bigger than the player. I think your a true fan though, so I highly doubt Tebow coming here would be the end of your fanhood.

If hes as absolutely terrible as you say he is then he’ll be cut in 5 years max right? Why let that five year period ruin your fanhood?

Or perhaps you secretly know that you dont like him because he is really good at what he does – winning. And maybe just maybe he has a chance to win here and that would prove you and so many other naysayers who have been loudly outspoken against him wrong and that would make you madder than anything?

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by poz on Feb 8, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he is talented...I know he was a winner in college...

I truly doubt he will be a good NFL QB, by the way, I am not the only one.
If he turns out to be a star, good for him, bad for me. But not because he may prove me wrong, I’m wrong a lot and have gotten used to the disappointment; I am afraid of people giving him such a large soap box to spew his opinions.

A Bills fan doesnt lose allegiance to a team because of one player

Well, that is up to the individual Bills fan. You can say I am not a true fan based on my statement: even though I waste my employers team on this site every day, I watch an unhealthy amount of football to gain insight on players, schemes, and coaches and just bcuz I like football. I watched the Senior Bowl, I will watch the combine and write down which players I hope the Bills draft, I will scour the internet for anything Bills related (that is how I found this site, I used to be on RF365.com until they assigned some hack to report on the Bills (Anthony Bialy I am talking to you, Connor’s cool) and Two Bills Drive everyday)…

BUT, if my team were select and make Tebow the face of the franchise, I can honestly say, I gave it my all until the team led me down a path past the point of forgiveness. I do not judge people who like him, but I have strong opinions on him and I feel this is the place to voice the fact that I dont want him on my team.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

playing “that guy”

ummmm – who really cares what his opinions are? is he a good football player? then that’s all that matters. if he’s not killing people, raping people or beating little children up then I could care less about his views on anything – because they don’t really matter

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by J2 on Feb 8, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that people will ask him questions constantly about non-football stuff that does really matter...

Look, he wants to use the NFL as a way to get “the message” across to more people, he wants to bring religion into the game. As long as he continues to try to do that, then I don’t want to see him in a Bills uniform. I hope he goes to the Raiders.

Also, I don’t think he will be a very good NFL QB.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

lol......

wait people ask him questions about his belief……yet you say “HE WANTS” to bring religion into the NFL?

He’s not doing anything but answering questions that are asked to him…..

You wouldnt by chance hate it when athletes refuse to talk to the media at all either? Would you?

Sounds like to me you should be mad at the media…..not Tebow.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 8, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually don't mind it at all when players refuse...

I thought what the media did to Ricky Williams back in the day was atrocious, the guy obviously had an issue with interviews (ie..doing them with his helmet on). I thought they should have just left them alone, I know what it is like to not want to talk to people sometimes. I dont like how the NFL makes players talk to the media, ala TO at the end of this season. The players always come off as jerks, which isn’t entirely fair.

Alas, the media…the main culprit for the idiocracy in America. I believe that ever since the media decided to make money off of news, it has become a detriment to society rather than the good initial goal of a public service.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

okay just wanting to make sure you werent one of those "I hate that Marshawn wont talk to the media" guys.......

or something along those lines.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 8, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

J2 (or "That Guy")...

I don’t mean to offend anyone (other than Tebow).

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

obvious exceptions like hitler

apply to this rule

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 8, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't say that I have met him...

in the sense that we shook hands and had a long conversation, but he spoke at a conference I was at regarding what role religion should play in sports, politics, and the media…I obviouslt can’t get into those subjects here, so all I can really say is that I really dislike him. I understand that others don’t and that is their pergotive, but just as others can say “If you’re fortunate to spend 5 or 20 minutes around Tim Tebow, you’re better for it.” (Thom Brennaman), I can say that I really dislike the guy.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is kind of foolish

Facts:

McNabb is a very good quarterback that wins football games.

McNabb is 33, and while not young, still has plenty left in the tank (see Kurt Warner and Brett Favre).

Tebow needs the Aaron Rodgers treatment…. three years on the sideline to re-learn his craft.

Sounds like a decent plans at QB for the forseeable future. You may not like it. I don’t like the Patriots much at all. That doesn’t diminish the fact that they are a good football team.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 8, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

but if you had to give up a 2nd round pick for him...

doesn’t that make him less attractive to you?

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Is McNabb injury prone?

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by jj24 on Feb 8, 2010 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't call him injury prone.

I would say that he is somewhere in between Rob Johnson and Brett Favre, health wise.

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by sireric on Feb 8, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha.

him and the 99% of the population.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I wanted to leave it pretty broad.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Feb 8, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I wanted to leave it pretty broad broad enough to include everyone.

corrected for you, eric.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Rob Johnson? How’s he doing? :)

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by jj24 on Feb 8, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

selling cars?

nah he works at “camp qb” in cali. teaching and molding qbs. “those that cant do, teach!” (no offense to teachers, my mom and sister are both teachers, i just think its a funny saying)

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 8, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Selling cars – that’s funny because Johnson is the football equivalent of a lemon.

"You can put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit. If it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, I'll buy you a new car."

by jj24 on Feb 8, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he tutored sanchez before last year's draft

he’s a high school coach in LA SoCal with (IMO) suspiciously close connections to his alma mater.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

would rather vick

and draft tebow….but not gonna re-has that all over again. but regardless id rather have vick than mcnabb.

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 8, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

Lets say that the compensation being sent the Eagles way is similar. (yes I think that the Bills would have to give up more for McNabb, but for the sake of argument lets say it is close)

Why? McNabb has been a much better QB, and really the only advantage I could see with Vick is age. Why would you rather have Vick?

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by sireric on Feb 8, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

well i wouldnt be assuming the pick compensation to be the same.

neither the pay. vick led a team to the nfc championship. i think vick is more dynamic, and i think if we need stop-gap id rather a younger cheaper vick than an older broke down mcnabb. (my opinion on broke down).

with the o-line that the bills will probably field, i think mcnabb would get injured, i feel that vick would have the ability to get away, or be more resilient.

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 8, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats fair. So you are basically willing to sacrifice better QB play for a younger, more agile, less likely to get injured and cheaper player. I see where you are going, I don’t totally agree, but you have a valid argument.

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by sireric on Feb 8, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

right

and i dont think nix will give up high draft picks. he likes building through the draft, so i dont see it happening, and i cant imagine philly wanted less than a 3rd. and i think a 6th will land vick.

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by silverstreak3k on Feb 8, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass

First of all, there is absolutely no way Donovan McNabb is going anywhere this offseason. Philadelphia is in the ideal position to let McNabb take one more stab at a title with a talented team and still have their heir apparent ready to takeover following the 2011 lockout. The Eagles gave McNabb more money a year ago without extending his contract and in return McNabb is willing to play out his final year before hitting free agency.

I wouldn’t want McNabb anyway as his Hamlet-esque personality has always prevented him from being a champion in his prime and now that he’s getting older, he’d be even less of a solution. Nix needs to find a quarterback capable of winning a Super Bowl in Buffalo. That QB is NOT an aging, Donovan McNabb.

Aaron Maybin is DeMarcus Ware 2.0.

by Port Royal on Feb 8, 2010 2:39 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I'm defn ok with McNabb

McNabb right now would be the best QB we have had since Jim Kelly. Hands down. I would be ok with giving up a 3rd round pick and maybe a few small pieces.

by michaelcooksey on Feb 8, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

Drew Bledsoe had the best season in Buffalo Bills history in the early part of this decade.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 8, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Last decade….

THANK GOD.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And the funny thing was

it wasn’t even that great of a season. It was good, but hardly great.

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

2002 i assume.

how was that better than Kelly’s years in his prime, like 1990 and 1991?

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 9, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of what the Bills would be willing to give up

McNabb would have to sign off on the move. If I’m not mistaken, he’s a UFA after this coming season. He’s not going to agree to go anywhere without an extension. So, the question is, is a 34 year old QB worth giving up, at minimum, a 2nd or 3rd round draft choice, plus committing big money to? Even more importantly, would Ralph sign off on a contract as big as McNabb is going to want?

by tm on Feb 8, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t make this trade for the simple reason that the guy is a short-term fix and even if we did acquire McNabb, which I don’t believe we’ll, our defense’s transition from 4-3 to 3-4 would probably make up for the offensive improvement and we’ll be a 7-9 football team and have traded away costly draft picks that could have helped improve the team. I get that we’re all impatient as hell, as we all rightfully should, because we have been given a decade of pure, disgusting futility. That being said, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. If I know Andy Reid right, which I think I do, he’ll demand no less than a first-round pick for McNabb (just last year they reportedly wanted two first round picks for him), which there’s obviously no way in hell Buddy Nix will give away for a 33-year-old QB with 2-3 years left.
I want success now, too, but not at any cost. We need to be extremely clever with our usage of picks.

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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Feb 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I like Kolb out of all the Eagles QB’s because he is young. i think learning behind a vet like McNabb is the best thing for a young QB ( ie.Aaron Rodgers) would the eagles be willing to give him up or do you think they are set on him for the future.

by FJackson's Faction on Feb 8, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

I think

they are set to have him be the next big letdown to Eggle’s fans.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Philadelphia makes a move with McNabb until after the 2010 season

That said, I’d love the move if Buffalo got McNabb. For everything that’s been stated about McNabb, here’s the big one:

McNabb lifetime record: 82-45-1

Regardless of anything else said (injuries, personality, etc), the man wins more football games than he loses, almsot by a 2-1 ratio.

And those Eagles’ offenses weren’t always so talented as the current version. After TO left, the vaunted Reggie Brown was McNabb’s “#1 receiver.” Before TO, McNabb was throwing to Todd Pinkston, James Thrash, etc. He threw more to Chad Lewis and the RB’s during that time, because his receivers were so average.

Before we go trashing the guy, remember that he’s played at a high level for a while. A lot higher than Buffalo QB’s with lesser receivers.

by Der Jaeger on Feb 8, 2010 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

The real argument

would have to then be regarding compensation as others have stated. Definitely a great QB, most definitely not worth a 1st round pick… let the debate begin… or should I say, continue!

Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Feb 8, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What defense do the Eagles run? Can we dangle any combination of Kyle, Marshawn, Roscoe or mid to late picks in front of the Eagles? Do the Bills make trades?

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by jj24 on Feb 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Bills just traded with the Eagles last year for Peters… Jason peters to the Eagles, and yeah, we trade once a year Id say… someting like that.

Still waiting for the playoffs.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Feb 8, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right. Although, I will say that Peters had the Bills backed in a corner on that one.

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by jj24 on Feb 8, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus who could forget the Darwin Walker trade with them? haha

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by bflo on Feb 8, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

They run an effective defense...

so they probably dont need anyone from ours…

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

meant as a reply to jj24

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha. Williams is ok, right? He’s like the Lee Evans of our defense.

"You can put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit. If it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, I'll buy you a new car."

by jj24 on Feb 8, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes...Williams is more than ok

Williams was a stud for us, I was just joking…

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 8, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a little slow.

"You can put a baby in a crib with an apple and a rabbit. If it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, I'll buy you a new car."

by jj24 on Feb 8, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

They run an effective defense…

we should try that scheme!

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Feb 8, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I will say...

If McNabb comes here. Watch out for Nelson to blow up. He made JR Smith into a decent weapon on O and hes turned Celek into their 2nd option behind D-Jax. And Nelsons more athletic than those two players.

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by bflo on Feb 8, 2010 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

great point. although celek has a great deal of talent in my opinion. mcnabb could deffinately contribute to this team. no one can if we continue to have a lack of talent and depth on the O line. grab mcnabb and develop lefevour who is a mobile quarterback like mcnabb in his day. if the price is right….

Later Losman!

by rockybillboa on Feb 8, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Celek was a pretty good find for them. Hes one hell of a tightend. I liked his comment at the end of the regular season Eagles-Cowboys game… someone asked him if his injured thumb prevented him from catching a few of the balls thrown his way and he responded… “Even without thumbs, I should have caught those balls” I like when players hold THEMSELVES accountable. Not the weather, sunlight, dirty ball, gloves, etc.

But I think that Nelson has a higher ceiling than Celek does. McNabb would do wonders for him. But if our O-line isnt set… theres no point in going after a proven QB like McNabb.

"Be a wuss at home! Be a man on Rumblings!" - Kurupt

by bflo on Feb 8, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ill take McNabb for a 3rd, NO MORE

Don’t waste high draft picks on a guy that will only be around for another 2-3 years. That’s a TERRIBLE investment of valuable draft picks if you do. Let’s face , in financial terms McNabb’s value has depreciated far too much given his age to invest a 1st or 2nd round pick on him that has a lot more long term value than him.

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