Rumblings Draft Scouting: Top 28 NFL Draft Prospects
by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 1:00 PM EST
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Welcome, Buffalo Rumblings, to our first official post-season draft post. Over the past several months, the scouting staff here at Rumblings - consisting of 'Der Jaeger,' 'kaisertown' and myself - have been diligently watching college football games (many more than I ever thought I'd watch), taking notes, and most recently, grading top 2010 NFL Draft prospects. We by no means claim to be professional scouts; we're simply hoping to add real observation and methodology to our annual draft discussions with this exercise.
We've got a lot planned over the next couple of months. Der Jaeger created a basic grading system to apply to each prospect; we'll explain that system to you. We'll be talking about specific prospects, specific positions, and, of course, how those players and positions fit in with the re-building effort of the Buffalo Bills. We'll be unveiling far more detailed scouting lists than what you see after the jump. Trust us; we've got you covered this draft season.
We wanted to start off our official draft posts with a quick glimpse at our top-rated prospects. Right now, we have 28 players that have earned a grade of four (out of five) or higher; for now, we're calling them the 28 prospects that have first-round grades. This list is subject to change, though it won't be of the radical kind you typically see as the draft process unfolds. Consider this a 'teaser' to the ton of content we'll be providing for you through the end of May. After the jump, our first, and biggest, crack at the top of the 2010 NFL Draft class. Questions and comments are welcome.
| # | Name | Pos. | College | Ht. | Wt. | Class | Grade |
| 1 | Ndamukong Suh | DT | Nebraska | 6'4" | 302 | SR | 4.90 |
| 2 | Gerald McCoy | DT | Oklahoma | 6'4" | 298 | JR | 4.73 |
| 3 | Eric Berry | S | Tennessee | 5'11" | 203 | JR | 4.65 |
| 4 | Rolando McClain | ILB | Alabama | 6'4" | 256 | JR | 4.63 |
| 5 | Sam Bradford | QB | Oklahoma | 6'4" | 218 | JR | 4.45 |
| 6 | Dez Bryant | WR | Oklahoma State | 6'2" | 210 | JR | 4.43 |
| 7 | Joe Haden | CB | Florida | 5'11" | 190 | JR | 4.38 |
| 8 | Jimmy Clausen | QB | Notre Dame | 6'3" | 223 | JR | 4.38 |
| 9 | Anthony Davis | OT | Rutgers | 6'6" | 330 | JR | 4.37 |
| 10 | Bryan Bulaga | OT | Iowa | 6'6" | 304 | JR | 4.32 |
| 11 | Russell Okung | OT | Oklahoma State | 6'5" | 300 | SR | 4.30 |
| 12 | C.J. Spiller | RB | Clemson | 5'11" | 195 | SR | 4.30 |
| 13 | Jonathan Dwyer | RB | Georgia Tech | 5'11" | 235 | JR | 4.23 |
| 14 | Bruce Campbell | OT | Maryland | 6'7" | 310 | JR | 4.22 |
| 15 | Derrick Morgan | DE | Georgia Tech | 6'4" | 275 | JR | 4.20 |
| 16 | Sean Weatherspoon | OLB | Missouri | 6'1" | 241 | SR | 4.18 |
| 17 | Jermaine Gresham | TE | Oklahoma | 6'6" | 262 | SR | 4.17 |
| 18 | Arthur Jones | DT | Syracuse | 6'3" | 295 | SR | 4.13 |
| 19 | Earl Thomas | S | Texas | 5'10" | 197 | SO | 4.12 |
| 20 | Damian Williams | WR | USC | 6'1" | 190 | JR | 4.12 |
| 21 | Rob Gronkowski | TE | Arizona | 6'5" | 265 | JR | 4.12 |
| 22 | Sergio Kindle | DE | Texas | 6'4" | 254 | SR | 4.10 |
| 23 | Reshad Jones | S | Georgia | 6'2" | 215 | JR | 4.08 |
| 24 | Maurkice Pouncey | C | Florida | 6'5" | 318 | JR | 4.07 |
| 25 | Brian Price | DT | UCLA | 6'2" | 300 | JR | 4.07 |
| 26 | Taylor Mays | S | USC | 6'3" | 231 | SR | 4.05 |
| 27 | Eric Norwood | DE | South Carolina | 6'1" | 246 | SR | 4.02 |
| 28 | Golden Tate | WR | Notre Dame | 5'11" | 195 | JR | 4.02 |
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im going to say this once and once only
maurkice pouncey is a beautiful name.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 9, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
your goddamn right it is.
not too bad of a football player either.
by gatorempire127 on Feb 9, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
While I don’t have a complicated grading system, I have to agree with the placements. Those are my gut feelings. I think people will take exception to Bradford being the #1 and so high (but I like his slot) and the OTs being in the middle. Ultimately I feel OT’s get drafted earlier than their respective grades, because they are “safe” picks. Or at least that is what people are convinced.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Feb 9, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If he’s not on the list, then no. :)
Same goes for Brandon Graham, Dan Williams and Jason Pierre-Paul. (Those are the 3 I anticipated hearing first, even before Trent Williams.)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the independent thought.
I feel like a lot of times bloggers (for the lack of a better term) just take ESPN’s top 30 and tweak it a little to be their own.
by Pistol on Feb 9, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more...
Definitely excited for this series
by TrufflePig on Feb 9, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great ranking, but...
I think this is an excellent ranking, I really do – with the exception that it excludes Brandon Graham. He’s hard to leave out of my top 5.
Brandan Graham. That's all I'm sayin'
by kgun201 on Feb 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5?!?! He’s not that good.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree
I think he’s the rough diamond of this draft.
by kgun201 on Feb 9, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Sure – but are “rough diamonds” ever drafted Top 5?!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drafted top 5 not the same as rated top 5.
Of course he would be a big reach to draft in that area when he could be had much later, so I’m not saying he should go in the top 5. But when you are ranking players, are you ranking their ability – or their draft value?
Draft value largely based on how the player is perceived by the rest of the room.
That being said, he’s got tremendous instincts, he’s always around the ball and at times seemed completely unblockable. He’s got great natural leverage (you can say short) but he plays with power and is rarely redirected. He has a great motor and is a good candidate for that “thumper” ILB role we’ve been talking about around here so much.
Really like him.
by kgun201 on Feb 9, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I’m a huge fan of Graham’s as well. He and Morgan are the cream of the crop at DE this year, no question.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you also factoring in scheme versatility or dependence in these rankings Brian?
I think Norwood would be better served as a rusher in a 3-4 than an end in a 4-3, and if so, does that affect his placement and grade in these rankings? I think he would be a great pickup for us in the 2nd if we go OLine in the 1st.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat. DJ will explain in a separate post.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 10, 2010 6:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant...
As a rough diamond drafted in the Top 5!
by T McGee on Feb 9, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How are we supposed to criticize you guys individually
if you don’t show us how you each rated the prospects?!?! :)
Brandon Graham would definitely be on there for me. Dan Williams too.
I find it hard to believe you all have Art Jones rated that high. Good player. But injuries have to hurt him a little bit. I personally don’t think he’s as good of a prospect as Williams, and I’d be shocked if he went in the first round. I’ve seen him as a 3rd or 4th round pick, which is absurd in it’s own right….
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We might do individual grades at a date TBD.
Graham and Williams just missed the cut. I graded both above a 4.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s going to be change, as Brian said, particularly with guys like Graham, JPP, and Williams, who will likely be in subsequent listings.
I don’t think you’ll see the crazy fluctuation in grades for us though, because we’re averaging 3 grades. It takes the “I like this guy a lot” out of the equation and makes our ranking, IMO, more realistic.
Other than those three, it’s a decent list. Better than the one I put together for myself.
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking at your list now
I’m catching a theme….you must really enjoy the Combine.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which list are you looking at?
My grades or the grading system?
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your grades
I haven’t seen the grading system yet…
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a big Combine fan
It’s more confirmation of what you think you already know.
Why? Am I grading Ht/Wt/40-time guys differently?
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
It was just a generalization I formed looking at your board with much higher ratings for guys like Dunlap, Mays, Griffen, JPP, McKnight, Capers. Apologies if I misread that.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
I didn’t take any offense to it.
The grading system that we used doesn’t elevate or lower guys with great triangle numbers. The grades that we gave out were strictly on play.
In the case of Dunlap, when he did go hard, he was a best. I’d have to check, but I think he was borderline Top 5 for me. But I dropped him significantly for character and work ethic.
I graded JPP highly because I saw him destroy FSU blockers, and he played well against Selvish Capers of WV, and also played well against Cincy. He struggled with Anthony Davis though.
I graded Mays before the senior Bowl. I kind of thought he was dogging it and hoping to get drafted high on rep and play Frosh through Junior years. After the Senior Bowl, it’s pretty clear to me that he’s strictly an in the box safety.
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And, BTW...
I didn’t grade Tebow close to the what it would take to be in our Top 50, if that’s any indication of our objectivity. : )
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tebow could be a 3rd round steal IF your a team that can spend a year building him back up into an NFL style QB
but that just my thought there
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
surprised to see davis and bulaga almost exactly the same grade
although i agree, i think some people think davis is soooo much better. i would rather bulaga.
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 9, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure people think Davis is so much better
I think they believe his upside is so much greater.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And in some ways it is. I think people put too much of correlation between athleticism and upside for offensive lineman though. You could probably make a case that Bulaga’s attitude and potential playing strength give him lots of upside too. Sometimes, with offensive lineman, the highest upside guy is the one who works the hardest. So much technique and intangibles involved in the position.
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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I agree. I’m thinking Davis has a much higher ceiling athletically, while Bulaga might have a much greater upside mentally and work ethic-wise….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Williams was drafted by us partly because he had a ton of "upside" and athletic ability
Too bad we weren’t making sure he had the work ethic and self knowledge to handle the job and the cash.
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dez Bryant
is the 2nd coming of Braylon Edwards… you guys must not take much off for having terrible hands at the WR position.
Carlos Dunlap and Dan Williams not in the top 28, oh boy
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by ForeignArrow on Feb 9, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Dunlap is one of the softest players I’ve ever seen. Amazing potential. Nothing shows up on the field.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree on dunlap
(see im not just a gator homer) i think he can be a real force in this league, or out of it in 3 years.
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 9, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Dunlap simply isn’t a forward moving, aggressive player. He’d rather hold his ground and fight with his hands and make a tackle for a 3 yard gain on a running play than use his size drive a blocker back and close up the holes to make a play at the LOS. If he doesn’t beat an offensive lineman off the snap as a pass rusher, he practically gives up far too often and ends up fighting with his hands again instead of using his body and getting into his blocker. He could be such a physical presence, but he doesn’t have enough of that made up physicality word.
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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Dunlap should be DESTROYING guys with his blend of size and strength and skills for that matter
Lazy, lazy, lazy played at the College level means little chance he gets the light turned on at the pro level usually
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go ’head. Flay me like you know you want to.
That is setting a trap if ever I have seen it.
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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunlap
Watch the Mississippi State game. It’s a great indicator of what type of player he is.
Against the 285 lbs. RT, be was Tarzan. Against the 310 lbs. LT, he was nobody.
He’s got the body of Mario Williams but only plays hard when he wants to.
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You like him a lot though, right?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a pure player, yes. But I dropped him more points on grading than any other player for character.
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this blog is AWESOME
Trust us; we’ve got you covered this draft season.
That little intro ending with that sentence just got me so amped for the off-season here on Rumblings. Everything this site does is exceptional and I can not wait for personalized scouting grades. Its refreshing that you guys have put in the hours and done your own research to present to us unlike so many other “draft” sites that just base their reviews on other websites opinions. For guys like me who are too obsessed with the NFL to have the energy to watch all the college games that are on, this is very valuable indeed.
A few things that are interesting here:
- How close all the left tackles grade out on your list. Wouldn’t this lack of separation incline us to believe the Bills will likely trade up or down to get a tackle? If trading down gets you more picks but the same quality LT you probably get an extra 2nd rounder to play with while if a QB is available it would make sense to take one (or a guy like McClain) and then simply trade back up to get a LT just as good as the one you would have gotten at 9. I know I’d rather give up our second and get a franchise QB AND LT then get another guy in the second. If Nix and Gailey are serious about rebuilding – and Gailey is serious about putting his stamp on this team – I would imagine if Clausen or Bradford are there at 9 the move is to take them and then trade up to get Bulaga or Campbell. Gailey would be salivating to get his franchise QB and LT in his first year.
- Can someone explain to me the deal with 3-4 NTs in this draft? It seems outside of the top 2, there is quite a drop off in DT rankings and – correct me if I’m wrong – Brian Price is a 4-3 guy. Is this draft deep enough that this means the Bills can get their 3-4 NT in the second or third round and plug him in as a starter or does this mean we won’t be getting our franchise 3-4 anchor until next year or through free agency?
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by poz on Feb 9, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hahaha weird...
I was quoting this one too.
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Thank god I hate ESPN’s coverage of the days leading up to the draft. Kiper and McShay arent very good IMO and they argue every time they are on. I cant wait to see these threads, unbiased information and actual fans that watch and break-down players. Much better than ESPN. So thank you guys.
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by bflo on Feb 9, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there is a single NT outside of Cody and Williams who could see significant playing time as a rookie. Then again, Terrenace Knighton, a mid rounder, played a ton for the Jags this year, so you never know. Guys like Thomas, Torrell Troup, Linval Joseph, Jeff Owens or even DeMarcus Granger are all capable of having a big impact, especially on a line like ours that will probably still be a complete work in progress.
I thought that if Der Jaeger’s grading system had one flaw it was that things were desgined without scheme in mind. If we graded these guys out as 3-4 nose tackles instead of just a DT, we might have had Williams or even Cody in the top 28 and I’d guess that both those guys end up pretty high on a Bills specific list.
Funny thing about the OT grades, they didn’t end up close because we disagreed. It wasn’t that everybody had their own favorite player or anything. All three of us graded them closely together.
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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so two NTs
who could have significant impact or help anchor the Bills 3-4 immediately.
Besides Buffalo, teams that run the 3-4 include Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, New York Jets, Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh Steelers, Denver Broncos, San Diego Chargers, Dallas Cowboys, Green Bay Packers
The Steelers, Packers, and Patriots could all have their NTs hit free agency and if they do it means NT are available for us to snag. If they don’t hit free agency it should leave us open to nab the NTs, I think every other team that runs a 3-4 is set there.
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by poz on Feb 9, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
woudlnt surprise me if the jets were in the market for a NT
betting on Jenkins’s health is getting riskier and riskier, though i’d imagine they’ll take a project over a 1st round guy and spend their first elsewhere…
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 9, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jets don’t have a lot of needs though. You could be onto something.
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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i was trying to think of where they'd spend their pick...
maybe WR or safety? I don’t know how rex would feel about spending a first rounder on a little guy, doesn’t seem his style.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Feb 9, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, no it does not. They could use a pass rusher. I could easily see them taking Williams or Cody as the BPA at the end of the first though. They could probably get an OLB in the 2nd round.
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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moving for a WR or DE looks like the Jets most likely move
I think they know that Edwards is only a partially effective WR due to the drops
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
they should and probably will take a WR. They need one bad.
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by poz on Feb 10, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jets could also target a CB early...
Ryan likes to man-up his CBs to afford additional flexibility in blitz packages. While he loves Revis, Ryan doesn’t care for his #2 guy so much.
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by Bogeyman on Feb 11, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Chiefs also run a 3-4, and need a NT
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They need alot of bodies for their 3-4, which sadly, so do we
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, right the Chiefs
haha, forgot about them…..
Your right. Good call. Imagine if Pioli keeps stealing Pats and gets Wilfork?
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by poz on Feb 10, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…the Kansas City Patriots…
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by Bogeyman on Feb 11, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pac10 Player
Brian Price is a 4-3 guy
Price is definitely a 4-3 DT, a one-gap penetrating type, very good player, but not ideal for the 3-4.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 9, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not the same build as Ratliff.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not wide enough to really hold his ground consistently in my opinioin
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
looks hard to fill 3 major needs (ILB, OT, QB) when all the top rated candidates for those positions are in your top 14. (or is that why they’re there?) i’m excited to see the position rating breakdowns.
by williamsDT on Feb 9, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Job Guys...
Your research continues to amaze me and keep me enthused. You’re setting a very high bar for yourselves…be careful! LOL
by telka on Feb 9, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh geez did I just say LOL???
Sorry Rumblers…
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Why is that a crime?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 9, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not as high on Clausen, and I’m really hoping that’s not an ND bias manifesting itself. I’ll be curious to see what he does at the combine, for sure.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 9, 2010 2:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could pretend that I didn’t know which Tim you were referring to.
I also wish that zero people expected him to make this list.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly thought he was referencing Tim Graham for a second
does that count?
by mob16151 on Feb 9, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no way tim should be rated in top 32
anyone taking him in the first is reaching, barring a complete turn-around at combine and pro day. 2nd round tho……not saying just saying.. haha
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by silverstreak3k on Feb 9, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only team I expect to grab Tim in round 1 is Jacksonville, and thats just because they need the tickets he would bring
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tim’s probably in the 500’s where he belongs.
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by UZ on Feb 10, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great job with this! Look forward to reading the analysis
that went into making this chart. awesome job!
by StroudFanClub on Feb 9, 2010 2:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked that you have Rob Grokowski
valued over Aaron Hernandez.
by mob16151 on Feb 9, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
… why?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because unless your really factoring blocking into your TE rankings
Hernandez is the better prospect. He’s faster,and he’s a better receiver.
by mob16151 on Feb 9, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gronkowski is a fantastic receiving tight end with very good speed for the position. You should also know that Gronkowski is 4 inches taller and, yes, a better blocker.
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by BeastMode on Feb 9, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still maintain that Hernandez is faster.
But we’ll see at the combine.
by mob16151 on Feb 9, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed he is faster, just not by much. Hernandez was a 4.57 according to Scout and Gronkowski a 4.65 according to Scout.
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by BeastMode on Feb 9, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if he is
Gronkowski is bigger and a better blocker, while being a very good receiver on his own. He’s a more complete player.
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gronkowski is a Beast
In the Cal VS AZ game, when ever they needed a big play, Gronkowski delivered some great catches in traffic, near the sidelines, and over the middle. Good player, too bad he wont be available to the Bills. Just sayn’ other needs are higher.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 9, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we wouldn’t want to draft a good player when we have needs to fill…
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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I mean right...
We aren’t gonna take him in the 2nd
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 9, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you are saying, he isn’t worth the 9th overall pick and he will be gone by 41.
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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, I like WR like TE's BUT, if they can catch AND block, hold the phones their is my guy!
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We did factor in blocking
With a TE, it’s hard to overlook blocking as something to evaluate and rate.
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, a TE who can block and catch is a more useful team piece than just a blocker or receiver at the position
Being able to run any style of play (run/pass) versus allowing the other team to know the play ahead by subbing in and out pass catching or blocking TEs is extremely useful for a football team.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really good list Brian. The only thing I would note is the omission of Jahvid Best, who should be ranked alongside Spiller. Yes he suffered that awful fall against Oregon State. But, if his health checks out, there is no way he shouldn’t be graded as a first rounder; and, after he runs the 40 at the combine, there is very little likelihood he falls out of the first round. Best is a Chris Johnson clone and my guess is a good number of the 23 teams that passed on Johnson regret it.
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by BeastMode on Feb 9, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jahvid Best was the highest-rated player to not make this list. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to think so! Also, your list is pre-combine and pro day workouts. So, I understand.
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by BeastMode on Feb 9, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Combine and Pro-Day workouts are over-rated IMO
The only thing they provide besides the HT/WT/Bench/40 time is a look into their mentality. Did the player bust his ass to improve or did the player go all Terrance Cody and get fat?
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 9, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed, they are overrated, but they will change everyone’s boards.
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by BeastMode on Feb 9, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not ours. And that’s kind of the point – those events shouldn’t change boards drastically.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, an example will be the health of Best and Bradford. if they show they are 100%, how would that not elevate their current status?
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by BeastMode on Feb 9, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would elevate it, but not so dramatically that they’d suddenly be Top 10 picks or anything. Our grading system factors in injury-proneness… I know that I, personally, didn’t dock either player for their injuries, because I don’t think they’ll be recurring.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its more like refining prior thoughts, correct?
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Changes
The Senior Bowl may change some thing, particularly for Graham and Williams.
As Brian mentioned, we’re going to publish the grading system in the very near future. Once you guys see it, it’ll be apparent that triangle numbers weren’t real big factors in our grading scheme. We graded off what we saw during football games.
That said, the Combine still may effect some grades. If so, chances are that it effects someone more negatively that positively. If someone who looked explosive runs below average, then we have to go back and see if it’s instincts, lesser competitiion, etc. that’s accounting for the explosion.
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think Best is that fast
Best might be more Jamaal Charles like or even a slightly quicker Tiki Barber….
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Best and Johnson are very comparable speed wise. Where Johnson has an edge is his ability to take contact. Best is smaller and is at his best (no pun intended) when he is make moves and avoiding tacklers, Johnson will make a lot more contact.
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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Best is fast...
There is not much difference between 4.29 and 4.28…
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 9, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you did here but there were about 8 posts identical to this one. i cleaned it up for you because I didn’t think you had done it on purpose.
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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't look as fast as Johnson on the field
Of course, he’s still extremely fast, but I just think Johnson has a little more top end speed. Either way, Best has speed that not many NFL RB’s have.
I can’t really believe he’ll run a sub 4.3, but I could be very wrong in my opinion of his speed….
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no quantifiable difference to the human brain between those two times. Accurate times from stopwatches are rarely accurate past a tenth of a second. That is why it is absolutely ridiculous that the 40 times are even reported out to hundredths of a second. On the football field, it doesn’t really make all that much difference whether you ran a 4.4 or 4.5 something, especially for a running back who’s in traffic all the time. I wish there was a better way for them to measure burst, cutting ability, and balance. Oh wait – there is – game film :)
Anyways – when you look at 40 times just consider the first number after the dot. The last digit is outside the margin for error of a human clicking a stopwatch and will vary wildly. Nothing is more comical than the draft stock falling reports because a guy who once ran a “4.47” now ran a “4.52” or something like that. Those two guys would finish even a 100 yard kick return in the same place just about….. maybe 1 or 2 feet of difference when running the whole field.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 9, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Best ran a 10.31 100 meters, as a high school junior. He was a home run threat like any other in college football. I’d like to know your basis for thinking he isn’t fast. Really, he never gets caught from behind, has great explosion and is likely going to run 4.3 or under. To note, Desean Jackson and Jahvid used to race in practice, Jahvid always won.
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by BeastMode on Feb 9, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K didn’t say Best wasn’t fast, just that he didn’t think that Best looked as fast as Chris Johnson, which not many are….
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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And, there is nothing to indicate he isn’t as fast or faster. Johnson ran a 10.38 100m as a junior in college, best ran 10.31 as a junior in high school. At worst they are as fast as one another. And, given that according to Desean Jackson and all his Cal teammates say Jahvid is faster than Desean (who ran a 4.33 at the combine), I think it’s safe to say Jahvid is likely Johnson’s equal, at worst.
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by BeastMode on Feb 9, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think he is fast, you don’t need to convince me.
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by sireric on Feb 9, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know, i just prefer it when people use facts and data. Just throwing a claim out there that he isn’t as fast really isn’t helpful.
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by BeastMode on Feb 9, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well from watching him play
He doesn’t have the same football speed as Johnson, IMO. On the field, Johnson just looks faster. Sorry that there is no fact or data for that.
You have no data to back it up either, though. DeSean Jackson saying Best is faster is highly subjective, and impossible to compare to Johnson without actual current data. That HS time is great, but the 100m isn’t something he’ll be running in the pros, nor proof that that’s how he runs it now.
I think it’s safe to say Jahvid is likely Johnson’s equal, at worst.
That’s as unsupported a claim as you can make. I still don’t understand why it was such a problem for you. I never said Best wasn’t fast. Comparing him to Charles or a quicker Tiki Barber indicates my thoughts that Best is extremely fast with the ball.
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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With so many needs
I can’t see how we pass on Rolando McClain if he is available at #9. Especially if the dolphins are rumored to want him. That could be our trade for thigpen right there? Swap #1’s then grab OT. I guess I just answered my own question.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
by VanScottM on Feb 9, 2010 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That suprised me as well, there has been a lot of talk of getting McClain at nine, but with this board that might not be realistic.
Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!
by mavadjdj on Feb 9, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think tht would be a great scenario!
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by Bogeyman on Feb 11, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandan Graham
I’m stunned by the lack of love this kid is getting. I think he’ll be a great pro and would love to have that kind of player on this 3-4 defense. I am aware that he is not a perfect fit at the moment, but I would move back (stockpile) and take him late in the first round.
Brandan Graham. That's all I'm sayin'
by kgun201 on Feb 9, 2010 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do our draft people think Bradford could fall to our pick?
by StroudFanClub on Feb 9, 2010 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen both him and Clausen falling to the Bills, I personally don’t see either of them.
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by UZ on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I think it’s unlikely.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 10, 2010 6:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can reply to posts for some reason...
I tried several times…but whatver. Great job guys.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 9, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good job Guy.
Did this board make before the senior bowl game and practices?
by hightower_mc on Feb 9, 2010 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The vast majority of it, yes. So for some of these guys, heights and weights aren’t completely accurate.
We’re building a database that, eventually, will include height, weight, arm length, jumping, 40 time, and cone drill times – as much as we can gather, really.
Also – nice avatar.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Arthur Jones being that high (in the first round at all) is surprising, otherwise I agree pretty much.
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by UZ on Feb 9, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think I can speak for both DJ and kaiser in that we had a few guys surprise us with how well they graded. Nothing earth-shattering, but more of a “hmm…”
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s probably just me being a Syracuse fan and watching a ton of Arthur Jones, but I think he’s legitimately a mid-late first round prospect. And in the grading system, versatile players graded out higher for me than guys who can only do one thing like a Terrance Cody. It wasn’t intentional, but it worked out that way for me.
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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, I’m a Cuse guy and love Jones as well but I really haven’t seen ANYONE rate him that high before.
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by UZ on Feb 10, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right around the time the season started I saw a lot of mocks that had him in the mid to late first round, but his injury completely ended all of that talk.
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by kaisertown on Feb 10, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great job, guys.
Alot of work, worthy of a rec. Hopefully others will follow. Wouldn’t mind seeing this up for a couple weeks.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
by VanScottM on Feb 9, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s pretty good Brian, in my opinion i would have had Berry over McCoy, Clausen over Bradford( but that obvious from my position), for TE i’d have Hernendez over Gronkowski, and i’d have Iupati on the list over Pouncey, but everyone has their own opinion… + job
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by atlantalove on Feb 9, 2010 5:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. Iupati was close to making the cut. Hernandez was not nearly as close.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Changes
Russel Okung is a top 5 player and will be the top OT off the board. Derek Morgan will be a top 10 pick. And Brandon Graham should have moved into the top 15-20 after the senior bowl. There are many other differences including Jonathan Dwyer being the 4th best rb behind Spiller, Best, and Matthews.
by J.D on Feb 9, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Feet
Davis’ feet are better than Okung’s. My bet is that GM’s and scouts will question whether Okung is a RT or LT based on his feet.
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you there, and I honestly think that Okung would make a very good to great RT and only a good to borderline very good LT
IF he can get his footwork cleaned up some more
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Graham dominated the senior bowl but...
He did it against 2nd tier prospects at the OT position. I think he will be a good player at the next level but i dont think one good week at the senior bowl moves him up 10-15 spots to a mid first round pick.
by Brennan McCoy on Feb 9, 2010 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Golden Tate is overrated
If Eric Decker didn’t have a QB that threw passes leaving the WR wide open to get demolished he would have won the Bilitnikoff this year.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by neverbeentobuffalo on Feb 9, 2010 7:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I read a mock today that had Decker going in the 6th round. Thats crazy. Hes going to be good. I agree with you there.
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by bflo on Feb 9, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Golden Tate is maybe the best receiver in this draft with the ball in his hands though. It’s tough to compare him to Decker because they’re completely different players.
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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Decker will take some time to transition to the NFL game – he has to get up to speed, literally. Guys like Tate and Jordan Shipley will rank higher, at least in my book, because they’ll be able to make plays right away as slot receivers.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's the best combo of nasty w/ work ethic?
IMO the Bills WILL make a deal for a somewhat veteran QB w/out having to draft one. In my mind, they should go for OL. So who’s got the best combo: Davis, Bulaga or Okung?
by AlwaysaBillinPhilly on Feb 9, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Okung is the happy medium IMO
Bulaga is the most nasty, Davis is the most athletic, Okung has the most character and the hardest worker.
Okung is a super safe pick. His ceiling isn’t as high as Davis, but his floor is also rather high.
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
first....
While I like seeing my UGA guys getting some love here, Jones does not belong in the first round… Nor does Campbell of Md.. Rashad is like having an extra LB out there, and he hits like one too.. But his coverage and ball skills leave alot to be desired… Great second rd pick, but a reach anywhere in the first… Campbell may have more upside than almost all the other tackles, but upside doesn’t get you picked in the first… Unless your Maybin, and DJ is picking…. :-)….
Good to see Weatherspoon up there… Great team leader and player for someone… The QBs…. I don’t want too before the combine, but heck with it… I’ll go on the record now and say neither one will be picked before the mid first, and one, prolly Clausen, will drop to the second rd…. Just my gut….
by Cinga on Feb 9, 2010 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on Reshad Jones. I think he’s a 2nd round guy too.
I disagree on Campbell. Jason Smith went 2nd overall last year based almost enitrely on freakish athletic ability for his size and Campbell is just as much of a freak. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him fall out of the first, but I’d say it’s more likely that he’s picked in the teens than he is the 30s.
Clausen just had the best statistical season of any junior QB to ever declare for the draft. He’s a lock to go early. Teams that don’t have QBs don’t pass on them.
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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And there are alot of them this year
Also, there is the chance the Cardinals get into the great QB race due to departure of Warner, I have to wonder how much they trust Leinert….
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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2010 3:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams that don’t have QBs don’t pass on them.
Which I would argue, is why their rankings in the draft are so often overinflated… Again, to my UGA players… Was Stafford really the top draftee last year??? Of course not!!! But his value as a QB was inflated simply because of the need at the top of the draft…
BTW… He was easily the best QB in that class however…
by Cinga on Feb 10, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
me too, he will be the best player at his position available when we pick and i know we won’t take him. We will take the 3rd best LT and miss out on yet another great prospect. we can’t afford to miss this one and Mcclain is a no brainer. want to make a Billboard saying, “Modrak and co, we will draft for you, Take Rolando Mcclain at #9” lol. I am sure will be in for a crazy draft come April. The Bills always mess up their first pick and all the fans could do a better job.
by csc06258 on Feb 10, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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