Offseason Scenario
What follows is the offseason scenario I would like to see, not necessarily what I think will happen. Some of these items are more likely than others, but everything here is - IMHO - within reason, and honestly, I think this scenario would give us an immediate shot at contention, with a lot of promise going forward. Please share your thoughts in the comments.
Pre-Draft and Free Agency
Trade second round #41 ('10) and conditional pick ('11) to Eagles for Donovan McNabb:
The conditional pick would be stipulated thus:
1st round if the bills win the Superbowl, 2nd round if they make the playoffs, 3rd round otherwise. that would guarantee Philly a 2nd and at least a 3rd.
I recently replied to someone suggesting a McNabb trade that while I loved the idea, the probability would be less than 1 percent. And while I am still inclined to believe the probability is low, the Bills have indeed starting making phone calls.
McNabb is at a crossroads once again in Philadelphia. Andy Reid is sticking with his story that he intends to keep McNabb around, but I'm getting the impression that if the right offer were made they would pull the trigger. I also believe that McNabb wouldn't be too unhappy in Buffalo - with or without T.O. - as he'd be returning to upstate NY where he played in college, and he wouldn't have to move his family. He would also be a guaranteed starter with no-one on the roster within reasonable striking distance to replace him.
On the football side of things, McNabb is an excellent option for Buffalo due to his strong throwing arm. He can get the ball deep to Owens (or Owens replacement) and to Evans and his experience and leadership would go far in bringing the Bills back to contention.
Sign Larry Foote:
This one is easy and has been discussed here by the editors in depth. I'll leave it at that.
Re-Sign T.O.:
Not the biggest priority, but I would attempt to resign him. He's definitely not the player he was even a few seasons ago, but he's still one of the best at running the fly and with a strong-armed QB... well, you get the general idea. One less hole.
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2010 Draft
Draft Anthony Davis, LT Rutgers at #9:
I know this is an unpopular belief (some would say an incorrect belief), but I feel the Bills are a legitimate blindside tackle away from having a solid - potentially elite - offensive line. Trading for McNabb takes the emphasis off of LT, so I'm drafting Davis with the intention of him competing at RT with Brad Butler and the worst case scenario would be playing him at his familiar LT position. That's the kind of "worst case scenario" you want with a first round pick.
Draft Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama at #72:
Some people are going to say "he won't be there at 72" while others are going to say "he's not worth it, even at 72." I tend to think both of these camps are right in one respect or another. One the one hand, he's obviously one of a select few DT's in this draft that are prototypical NTs. That increases his value significantly and therefor you'd be right to suspect that he may not last to 72.
However, he's also a one gap NT and will probably never see more than 3.5 sacks a season in the pros - and that's if he can keep his weight in check and not completely bust out. So this decreases his value significantly and - again - you'd be right to suspect that he would last to #72 or beyond.
For a transitioning team like Buffalo, the risk-reward ratio on this move would be just about right.
Draft Dan LeFevour, QB, Central Michigan at #104:
LeFevour isn't ready to take the reigns of an NFL offense, but he is an absolute steal at this spot. Ideally, he would sit behind Mcnabb for 2 or 3 years before succeeding him. He's got good size (6'3 229) and a strong enough throwing arm to play in Buffalo, while being one of the more purely athletic passers in this draft. Frankly, any offense you build around McNabb's skills would be ideally suited for him to take over.
Draft Mica Johnson, ILB, Kentucky at #136:
Buffalo, meet your backup "thumper" ILB. At 6'2, 258 Johnson is stout enough to take on offensive lineman, but also atheltic enough to have played OLB a touch as well. He wouldn't be available in this spot if not for injuries to his foot and knee (both requiring off season surgery). Showed toughness playing though pain and made a ton of tackles. Tough as nails, big and athletic, and would have plenty of time to heal up because he'd be sitting on the bench for '10.
Draft Zane Beadles, G, Utah at #166:
Line depth. Beadles is probably a pure G in the NFL, but he has played some Tackle.
Draft Brandon Deaderick, DL, Alabama at #184:
I'm not done raiding the Alabama defensive front. Deaderick is stout enough to experiment with him at NT, while projecting well as a 3-4 end.
Draft Joseph Linval*, DL, East Carolina at #195:
Linvall played DT at East Carolina but he's way too tall to stay there in the NFL. He's a 3-4 end project who can sit a while.
Draft Ryan D'Imperio, ILB, Rutgers #202:
My own personal touch here. Hard-nosed ILB depth. Not the greatest athlete, but plays downhill and has a great nose for the football.
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Moves that would NOT be made:
I would not trade Marshawn Lynch: His value is somewhere between didly and squat right now. He's definitely #2 and that's where he should start the season - with a chip on his shoulder and with something to prove when he does finally get the rock.
What All of This Nonsense Would Achieve:
We've added a pro-bowl caliber QB. We've signed two veteran leaders in McNabb and Foote - one on either side of the ball. We've drafted their eventual successors in LeFevour and Mica Johnson. We've added line depth on both sides and brought in 3 versatile big bodies (Cody, Deaderick and Linval) to facilitate the 3-4. We've improved the depth at linebacker considerably. We've maintained the DBs.
The added expense to all of this? A conditional pick. Did I mention We've added a pro-bowl caliber QB?
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Comments
Terrance Cody
A lot of the so called experts are afraid of Cody’s (heart) they feel he will not have the desire to go all out once he gets his big paycheck. And they feel he will eat his way out of the league. Sounds like a big risk for a second round draft pick.
by Bob on Feb 9, 2010 9:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Third round
In my scenario we have traded our second #41 for McNabb and used our third, #72 to select Cody. Do you still think that’s a big risk?
by kgun201 on Feb 9, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb and TO????????????????????????????????????????
I think you could sell tickets to a fight between them but they’re pretty much mutually exclusive options. Of the two, McNabb would be by far the most valuable. However, TO is by far the most attainable. I don’t think that there’s any way that the Eagles will let McNabb go for a 2nd rounder—even a 1st and 3rd would really be pushing it.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Feb 9, 2010 9:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right...
but consider that there is a conditional pick that I didn’t really outline. my thinking was something along the lines of up to an additional 1st rounder if the Bills make the playoffs in ’10. that would be a kings ransome for McNabb.
by kgun201 on Feb 9, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And would absolutely destroy a chance to rebuild properly...
So the Bills should trade a 2nd rounder and a potential 1st in order to make a quick run to the playoffs? As much as I long for the playoffs again, handcuffing the rebuilding efforts isn’t a smart way to build a winner in any way.
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rebuilding "properly"
Everyone else replied about the probability of the scenario, but I said in the first sentence it was highly improbable.
what if the condition pick was stipulated thus:
1st round if the bills win the Superbowl, 2nd round if they make the playoffs, 3rd round otherwise. that would guarantee Philly a 2nd and at least a 3rd. (i added this to the original post)
also, you said you didn’t want to interfere with the “proper” rebuilding process. i argue the proper rebuilding process begins with making the bills a viable contender again – ASAP. if that means trading a 2nd and a 1st (to win a superbowl), or a 2nd and 3rd worse/best case scenario to get the bills winning again, and building a tradition and expectation of winning, i am most definitely willing to do that.
we’ve been through a few more or less proper rebuilding processes and if you ask me it a play on words more than anything. if you win, you’re “rebuilt,” if you lose, you are “rebuilding.”
by kgun201 on Feb 10, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only does this plan seen like a pipe dream....
but it doesnt do enough to address the future for long term success, and still woulnt be enough to put us ahead of the Pats and Jets. This is a rebuilding year. Stockpile draft picks, go with the youth and see if Hardy, Brohm, Maybin, S Johnson are worth keeping for the future. the switch to 3-4 this year is a tell tale sign that this is time to rebuild, not to make a push to the playoffs in 2010.
by loupiccone on Feb 10, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why mutually exclusive?
i know they had their “issues” in Philly, but if they can put them aside enough to party together, as recently as this weekend…
by kgun201 on Feb 9, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s one thing to be civil with someone you dislike for a short period of time and quite another to spend 10+ hours a day together for most of a year.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Feb 9, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Let’s call this scenario, T.O. optional.
by kgun201 on Feb 10, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its your dream... and the first part of it is wonderful..(McNubb)..
But no way things pan out even close to this.
Like one of my earlier posts, it is my dream, but it won’t happen.
Enjoy your dream….
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Feb 9, 2010 9:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I understand...
I disagree that any of this is in the “dream” realm. More in the highly unlikely realm? Now that’s a given.
by kgun201 on Feb 9, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a very optimistic offseason, especially with Cody. I know he’s got weight issues, but I don’t think it hurts his stock all that much. He’s a nose tackle and being ginormous isn’t really a bad thing. He lost a lot of weight when he showed up at Alabama and isn’t really much bigger than a guy like Jamal Williams is or Pat Williams was at times, especially considering that Cody is a really tall and long player. Unless his character problems go far beyond his ability to hold his weight, he’s a lock to not slide past Buffalo in the 2nd round.
I think McNabb would be moved for the right price, but one thing that always needs to be mentioned with McNabb talks is that Philly isn’t in a position where they have to do anything. Even if McNabb was gone, I don’t think they’d bring Vick back. Kolb is still as cheap an option as they come and with the complete unknown situation that is the CBA, he could be an RFA in 2011 or there could even be a lockout or something crazy. McNabb is a FA after this season, but there’s no reason that Philly couldn’t franchise and then trade him like the Pats did with Cassel. They’re not in a position where they have to trade somebody.
I don’t think Micah Johnson is likely to be there in the 5th and Linval Joseph will probably be gone before the later rounds too.
And I think Joseph could play NT at the next level. You don’t typically see guys that tall play the position, but if he ends up in the 240+ pound range, there’s no reason he couldn’t handle it. I know that two inches is a big deal, but guys like Jamal Williams and Shaun Rogers are 6’4’’ and Cody is 6’5’’. I don’t think there’s anybody out there who thinks that Haynesworth would be too tall to man the position either. It’s not so much about being the right height to play the nose, it’s about leverage, strength and size. As long as Joseph uses his lower body well and doesn’t get pushed back due to leverage, there’s no reason he couldn’t backup that position early in his career and/or eventually play there full time.
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by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Micah Johnson
This scenario is very optimistic and improbable. Nevertheless, it’s just a snapshot about what direction I would look if I were running the show.
I don’t think Micah Johnson is likely to be there in the 5th
Johnson’s draft stock is probably going to slide due to his multiple off season surgeries. His injuries weren’t severe, and he played through them. He just needs to show up at the combine.
by kgun201 on Feb 10, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
assuming you meant 340+ range
but if he ends up in the 240+ pound range, there’s no reason he couldn’t handle it.
that’s what the tampa-2 can do to a reasonably sane person.
by kgun201 on Feb 10, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this scenario very much.
That is exactly why it will never happen. :(
I am in the camp saying Cody will NOT be there in the 3rd. I don’t think he’ll escape the first personally, despite the weight issue.
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by UZ on Feb 10, 2010 4:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone excited by the possibility that we could add quality players to both our O and D lines in the first 2 rounds? Not sure what we would do at QB, but getting an elite LT and a solid NT in the same draft seems ideal to me.
I think Cody will be fine in the Pro’s, once he’s in a Pro weight and conditioning program he should shape up and hopefully turn into our next great NT
by louiethegent on Feb 10, 2010 11:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why stop at just McNabb?
Maybe the Pats would want to part with Brady with that same offer…they do like draft picks. I am sure Peyton Manning could be had for 2 number 1 picks. And finally after his stop in Disney World, I am sure we could get Drew Brees to come to Buffalo and give up very little for it. These ideas seem as far-fetched as could be and the idea of getting McNabb is only less by a fraction.
We need to draft “OUR own QB”. Trading for someone elses’ would put the Bills even further behind in their development and cost valuable draft picks. The Bills need to follow the Patriots draft philosophy. Trade down and stockpile picks. If you have to trade picks, then you could use these picks instead of just giving up your own. You can’t win by trading them away for that “one-hit-wonder”.
by JTM1023 on Feb 10, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
mcnabb is not brady
and his situation is not the same as Brady’s, and not just by a fraction. also, reports have the Eagles listening.
by kgun201 on Feb 10, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only part that isn't realistic is...
Buffalo won’t spend the money to get any of those RBs… it would be nice, but the loss of draft picks isn’t the only problem.
Schmucks don't make it to the Pro Bowl... except Jason Peters!
by Run Thurmal Run! on Feb 11, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on Davis and Cody though
I think Cody might be worth the risk unless he has a terrible showing at the combine.
Schmucks don't make it to the Pro Bowl... except Jason Peters!
by Run Thurmal Run! on Feb 11, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would be happy with that Draft
However, the only thing that scares me is the weight issues of both Davis and Cody. We can’t afford to wiff on two guys that have eating issues.
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by fansince83 on Feb 10, 2010 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The only trades that make sense now
are ones that give us more draft picks. I like Cody but he seems to be like “the Fridge” – a lump in the field that you can’t move. He would only be a assest when the other team tries to run up the middle.
by ScioTiger on Feb 10, 2010 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
whenever you start a plan with a trade, everyone has the same reponse
won’t happen….
how boring. the point is to look at different scenarios and ask whether or not it is an approach that would lead to the turn-around.
I am certain that I am not psychic. If I was, I would have many other hobbies on my very rich hands right now.
by kgun201 on Feb 11, 2010 2:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Offseason
First off, the only reason I would trade any picks away this year is to move down and get more picks, but even that I don’t like too much. I don’t think Cody will be there in the second round but who knows. My question to you is who is going to start LT for us next season if we don’t draft one? Flag happy Meaty Bell? No thank you! I would rather have a rookie that was actually good in college
by billsfan26 on Feb 11, 2010 8:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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