Clausen meets with Chan Gailey
by Giovanni Massimi on Mar 1, 2010 5:20 PM EST
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Bills website and Clausen himself said Chan met with him. Personally I love this I want a franchise qb and the team needs one. The one thing I say is key that he has to sit his first year unless he blows everyone away in camp and preseason. Let Trent or Fitz get killed behind our young line then after that line is solidified let Clausen takeover. Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers (in his case like 4 years) all show waiting a year is beneficial. The only difference is those guys had mentors in Kitna, Farve and Brees. Jimmy would basically have to teach himself unless a vet is brought in. Seeing Jimmy interview as well makes him seem like he is a good teammate and really puts the team first. Anyone else like the fact we had a formal sit down?
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In a word.............No.
Anyone else like the fact we had a formal sit down?
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 1, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Agreed and rec'd for succinctness
No thank you…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
+1 No and rec'd
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 1, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
In a word....Yes
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Right, cali. It would have been so much better if we’d taken him #9 without having spoken to him.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 2, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
That's why I didn't lift an eyebrow
when I saw they talked. JC (prophetic initials? ;-) ) has a believable chance of being available at #9. If the Bills are on the clock, looking at Jimmy, it would have been a mistake to not interview the kid. It’s just smart to cover your bases. It doesn’t say Gailey has potentially identified his guy.
a.k.a. Undee
that wouldnt be suprising either............
not with this team
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 3, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Norcali – you have gone past the grey side right to the dark side. Tell me, is Darth Vader really as bad as they all claim?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I love it
because it probably means the Bills are just blowing smoke and are not really interested in him. If not, the Bills will probably lose him to someone who trades up right in front of us.
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To me, this is the only positive outcome of this meeting IMO. I hope that is what Nix is doing and it wont surprise me one bit if that is the case.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’m leaning more and more towards getting one of those OTs. Anthony Davis is my current choice at No. 9.
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Davis seems soft......I like him less and less.
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With so many good OTs in this year's draft
I’d rather go for higher percentage play with others instead of Davis. The Bills need hard nosed OLineman.
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And that is.....
Bulaga, I want a nasty pancake machine that will make the opposition pay with a lead late in the game, that is Bulaga.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
BU-LA-GA
Enough said.
The more I see, the les I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
^^^^^this^^^^^^
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 1, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Buluga, McClain, Clausen
That’s is my three dream picks in the 1st
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
i think bulaga will outplay all 1st round lts in 2010
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 1, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you think I want him. He’s the type of guy that will probably only make 2 or 3 pro-bowls, if that. But will also put up a very consistant performance throughout his career that in the long run will prove more valuable than guys like Davis or Okung. Consistency is key and I think Bulaga is the most NFL ready and will probably be the most consistant OT comming out of this draft.
The more I see, the les I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
BU-LO-GNE
hehe… sorry had to do it.
I don’t think Bulaga is the best OT in this draft. I think he’s probably the fourth best and isn’t worth a top 10 pick. I’ll stop saying it when people stop gushing over his “toughness.”
Yes, you want tough offensive linemen. But if you got a pick in the top 10, you better be grabbing an elite athlete, and I just haven’t seen that from Bulaga. He’s a quality OT and if they moved down and he fell to them I would be satisfied. Not at #9.
And please don’t say I am basing this off of the senior bowl – that effort only served to confirm my belief that he is not ready to play LT in the NFL.
Bulaga is the man Id like if we went the OT route. He is a stud but Id prefer Jimmy if he is there.
by Giovanni Massimi on Mar 1, 2010 6:06 PM EST reply actions
BPA Anyone?
Just sayin, we need more talent, let’s get the most talented players we possibly can with position being only a slight concern. This is gonna be a 2-3 yr process.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm intrigued by the fact that Morgan met with the entire defensive coaching staff
I wouldn’t be suprisedto see his name called on draft day.
how would he fit in a 3-4? He’s a prototypical 4-3 DE
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Not a Pass Rusher
He’s a prototypical 4-3 DE
Maybe size-wise but he’s not a pass rusher. I don’t know his arm length but I could totally see them scouting him as a 3-4 end because of his power alone.
What I've read
And I admittedly can’t remember where it was,is that the Bill’s saw him as a 3-4 Rush OLB.
270 lbs
He’s listed at over 270lbs on a 6’4 frame. That’s a big man. I don’t think they’d consider him a rush OLB.
Shawne Merriman is 265 and so is Lamar Woodley. JPP actually measured in bigger at the combine and teams will consider him as an OLB, but not a 3-4 DE. Then again, the Dolphins drafted Philip Merling in the 2nd round to play DE and the Broncos took Robert Ayers in the first to play a hybrid role and will eventually play DE full time. I’d guess that Buffalo was looking at him as an OLB, but I’d bet that Buffalo doesn’t take him and he ends up with a 4-3 team.
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Nor Cal I agree with you and JImmy would likely be the way to go if we r eying a long term goal for competitiveness. Everyone here knows we are not one piece away. QB is numero uno, then a left tackle so if Jimmy is available take him especially in a tackle heavy draft.
by Giovanni Massimi on Mar 1, 2010 6:20 PM EST reply actions
Well even though I dont like want Claussen, if Nix beleives he is better than the next player (the definition of BPA) then I can’t argue with the selection. IMHO, Claussen is not in the top 20 players in this draft, but I dont get paid for my opinion like Nix does. : )
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
NO NO NO NO NO!!!!
I don’t like Claussen and would honestly rather have Tebow, and i don’t even want Tebow.
Although if we can manage to draft Claussen in the first and Golden Tate in the second, I’ll forgive OBD.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions
But think of the nickname…Golden Taint
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
They were never
The problem. The problem was the D and OL, (Bills fans can relate), not those two players my friend. It takes a whole team to win not two great players. Being very familiar with every Clausen and Tate play over the last 3 years, both are legit and Tate is amazing, a Steve Smith 1.0 combined with DeSean Jackson.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Tebow had the number 4 scoring defense in the country the past two seasons. Notre Dame …. not so much. Florida gave up 12.4 points per game this year. Notre Dame allowed 30 or more points six times.
How often is a guy like Colt McCoy or Tim Tebow really asked to win a game? Clausen was asked to put the team on his back and win almost every week. Clausen couldn’t pick up low scoring wins over top teams like Florida’s 13-3 win in LSU or Texas’ 13-12 win over Nebraska or their 16-13 win over Oklahoma.
The record thing is a joke. Colt McCoy was really asked to win one game all season and he had a great game against a pretty good Texas A&M team. McCoy had a crummy game against Texas Tech, but won because his supporting cast was vastly superior. Texas gave up a combined 46 points against A&M, Nebraska, Mizzou and Oklahoma State. Kansas is all offense and Texas held them to 20 points.
Tebow didn’t have a good game in the swamp against Tennessee, but they won anyways with his defense holding the Vols to 13 points. Tebow also had a bad game against Mississippi St., but the rest of the team was too good for that to matter as they won 29-19. I mentioned the LSU game. Florida only allowed Georgia to score 17, Florida St. to score 10 and South Carolina to score 14. Tebow did play solid in a 23-20 win against Ryan Mallett and an inferior Arkansas team. Then there’s the bowl game against Cincy too, where Tebow dominated, not that it would have mattered. Tim Tebow wasn’t asked to win one close game other than maybe Arkansas all season. Yet those guys are winners and Clausen is a loser because their record says so. It’s a complete joke. It’s funny how USC QBs are always winners …. maybe it’s because they’re an elite program, like Florida, or Texas or Ohio St. Carson Palmer had a crappy record at USC because Carroll was still building the program up, but then a guy whose teammates are already calling him soft in Matt Leinart has a phenomial college record. Hmmmm ….. was one guy a winner and one guy a loser? You bet, but the winner wasn’t the one with the great record. Incredible how the top programs always win games. Must be due to always having winners at the QB position.
And that’s not to say that Tim Tebow isn’t a winner. I actually think the guy is a total winner. I just can’t think of a worse way to make that point than to show how his elite team managed to win all those blowouts. Is Florida’s record this year any different if John Brantley is the QB? I’m not sure it would have changed the outcome of one game. Alabama did just fine with an average QB and absurd talent on the defensive side. Nobody is out there talking up Greg McElroy as this great winner.
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by kaisertown on Mar 1, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly!
Clausen was asked to put the team on his back and win almost every week.
And like you said, the ND defense was horrible. Jimmy had to carry the team week in and week out.
I saw most of the ND games and I am convinced that Claussen is the most NFL ready QB coming out this year. I still want a LT but if Jimmy is there at #9, I’m not sure that I would be disappointed if he became a Bill
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The way I’ve been describing Clausen is that I like, but don’t love him. I think he’s a legit top 10 prospect and would be a pick that the Bills have to make if he’s available. I just don’t understand how people can look at record and then talk about intangibles as if the two are all that related.
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What's the Gators' record without Tebow?
Exactly
What’s ND’s record WITH Clausen? Exactly
And they actually do talk about Greg McElroy as a great winner, considering he has never lost a start, even in high school
I don’t care either way at this point, but there’s only 1 QB worthy of a 1st round selection and it’s Bradford. Clausen is benefitting from a very weak QB class.
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 1, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I said this in my post:
Is Florida’s record this year any different if John Brantley is the QB? I’m not sure it would have changed the outcome of one game
And I completely believe that. Florida’s defense was dominant this year. The Gators crushed Charleston and Troy to open the year and would have done that with their 5th string QB. They played a close game against Tennessee at home, but Tebow didn’t play great and the won by 10 points because the D held Crompton to under 100 yards passing, picked him off twice and despite a drive start at the Florida 21, Tennessee only scored 13 points.
They crushed Kentucky who only scored 7 points against them. Florida won a pretty close game at LSU, but the Tigers only had 3 points. It was a great performance by Tebow coming off the concusion, but it was another QB that the Gators held to under 100 yards passing, no TDs and a couple turnovers.
You could make the case that the Gators could have lost to Arkansas, although Tebow did turn the ball over twice and Florida held Arkansas to a 2/13 3rd down conversions. One of Tebow’s fumbles gave Arkansas a drive start at the Florida 31 and lead to a Razorback TD. That was a home game for Florida too, so I’d guess it’s a game they win more often than lose with Brantley.
They only beat Mississippi St. by 10, but it was maybe the worst game of Tebow’s career. So, that’s a win regardless of QB. Georgia threw 4 picks and only scored 17 points. Great game by Tebow, but it didn’t look like Florida needed it. Vanderbilt is Vanderbilt and they only scrored 3 points against Florida. South Carolina turned it over three times and went 3/12 on 3rd downs on route to 14 points.
They crushed FIU, who scored 3 points. Florida St. didn’t score until they kicked a FG on the last play of the 3rd quarter. It was a 2 turnover, 2/12 3rd down conversion game for Manuel and FSU. They lost the SEC championship game. You could make the case that Tebow was necessary for the bowl win over Cincy. That game was over so fast that nobody could know how it would have gone with Brantley at QB. But my guess would be that Cincy, who couldn’t stop anybody and struggled to move the ball in the 1st quarter wouldn’t have been able to keep up with a Brantley led offense.
So forgive me for completely ignoring Tebow’s record as a starter when I look at his intangibles. When you’re playing for one of the couple best teams in the country, it’s tough to not have a great record. I’m actually writing an article with the college records of all the starting NFL QBs and the only guys who had really great college records all played for elite programs. It’s all USC guys, Texas guys and Peyton Manning, who couldn’t win a national championship at Tennessee, but then saw his teammates win it all the year after he left. College record is meaningless and the in game performance is all that matters.
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by kaisertown on Mar 2, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
You're truly an intelligent Bills/Football fan.
Can’t wait for that article, Rec ..
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Gross
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 2, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
lol
I just read your sig, I don’t even know why I bothered with this… a huge ND homer is trying to explain to me that I don’t understand something about Jimmy Clausen, oh the simplemindedness.
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 2, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Soooo
the defense won every game for the Gators… well, they did play phenomenal defense this season. But, they weren’t exactly on the field very much, either. When you have a QB who is your running game and your passing game, that has a profound affect on the game (ball control, turnovers, scoring)… so saying that a sophomore in John Brantley would have had the same record as Tim Tebow in the SEC (where road wins are extremely difficult) even though he has a different style of play and zero experience… eh. You can’t just say stuff like that. Oklahoma played pretty darn good defense this season and the wheels fell off without Bradford because they put in a QB without any experience. You can’t argue that Oklahoma doesn’t have a very talented team around their QB because in terms of talent and coaching they are Top 10 in the country every year. These situations are too dependent on too many variables for us to make conjecture like that. As I said before, all of this banter is “blah blah blah blah.” What really matters is the grade they receive after an evaluation, period. And Jimmy Clausen’s grade is being inflated because there’s really only one QB worthy of a high pick.
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 2, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Florida didn’t play the eltie defenses that Oklahoma did. Asking Landry to put up 14 points against Nebraska, the top scoring D in the country, isn’t the same thing as asking Brantley to score 17 against South Carolina. Oklahoma lost 10-3 to Nebraksa and 16-13 to Texas. Florida didn’t have to play a team as good as Texas, so I think it’s a different situation. You could claim that a healthy Bradford beats BYU and that he maybe beats Miami on the road too. So that’s two games right there. And a 3rd loss was to Texas Tech where the Red Raiders had 550 total yards and scored 41 points. I’d happily argue that if Oklahoma played Florida’s schedule with Landry at QB and didn’t have a bad game on D like they did against TT, they have a similiar season to Florida and end up with 1 or 2 losses.
The Gators played at Kentucky and dominated. They played at Mississippi St., where Tebow didn’t even play well. They held LSU to 3 points and South Carolina to 14 and while Tebow is certainly a factor in keeping his D off the field, those two teams went 4 for 21 on 3rd downs. I’m thinking that the defense would have done just fine without Tebow. And the Gators would have done fine in their road games.
Obviously, Brantley could have had some terrible performance and lost a game all on his own. Or maybe a defense like Tennessee wins a 16-10 game and shuts down a SO QB. But I’m having a hard time seeing how I can’t assume that Florida’s success would have been at the same level without Tebow.
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Mar 2, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
tate is an evans clone
no need for him on this team. that is unless evans gets traded…..
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 1, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
But you have to admit that there would be value in bringing in both Claussen and Tate. But getting both would be the only way that I’d want either.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Tate
Just put himself as the top WR this year, I would take him over Dez anyday.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Al??? Al Davis???
is that you???
Sorry… but ain’t no way Tate is gonna be a better pro than Bryant….
I heard a comment from the talking heads that Tate is the next Hines Ward.....discuss.....
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Then I guess it depends whether or not Bryant is the next Brandon Marshall. And I don’t think that Ward is even the best comparison for Tate on the Steelers. I think Santonio Holmes works better.
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Things I liked when they talked about Tate were
words like smart, tough, has heart, he is a “football player”, which granted is a cliche but also true. I don’t think he is a Chad Johnson type.
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In high school he played RB
And Charlie in one of his few good choices converted Golden to WR to make up for losing out on Arr Benn (but got Micheal Floyd out of missing on Benn, wait for this guy, freak) , at the time it was the horrible 3-9 year Tate’s first season and all he could do was run a go route and catch it, he almost won the Purdue game himself as a frosh. But he burst out his soph year and became a better all around reciever (More routes than just the go route). Then had his amazing 1400 yards 15 TD last season, played great in the wildcat, and was an amazing return man. His old RB skills help him with after the catch yards and in the open field. But his real progression was his ability to catch the ball at its highest point, short but can soar (want to see this in action, google the hail mary catch by Tate vs. Wash St, amazing catch). I would love to see him as Bill but we have other needs and need to find out what we have at WR with Hardy and Steve. I know I love my Domers but just the good ones, if you know my stance on Sam Young being drafted by Buffalo, he is awful.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Have you ever seen Tate play, I have watched both and Tate is better. Calling me Al Davis because why because he has speed, he also has a run after the catch ability that Dez could only dream about. Watch both of their highlights. Come back to me then.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Why are so many vehemently against Clausen???
Have we all forgotten the biggest reason this franchise has been awful for a decade??
If our front office believes Clausen is the real deal and is capable of turning this franchise around, then I’m in. I’m not 100% convinced he is that good just yet, but if he does end up being a franchise QB, I don’t see how anyone should be so against this. If playing for Notre Dame and possessing troll doll hair is why some don’t like him, then I’m glad you have no impact on his selection!!
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by Kurupt on Mar 1, 2010 7:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
I’m not 100% convinced he is that good just yet, but if he does end up being a franchise QB, I don’t see how anyone should be so against this.
Nor do many others on here think he’s a “franchise QB”.. You answered your own question….
Exactly...
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by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
You know why I dont like Claussen?
Because he put up great numbers…….75% of it was against defenses ranked worse than 45th in the NCAA……..
He’s not that great…………and anyone who argues he’s great because of his numbers has no idea.
Sure he abused some of the worst defensive backs in the country……WHOOPTY DO!!!!!!!
no thanks.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 1, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think what Kurupt is saying
is that if Buddy Nix decides Jimmy Clausen is his man, a guy who spent his life scouting players and finding first round QBs like Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, and Drew Brees, hes earned enough respect that I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. If the Bills select Clausen at 9, even though I want Bradford, I’ll get behind him. Nix has a good track record and will get my support this first draft until he proves he doesnt deserve it.
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by poz on Mar 1, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
hes earned enough respect that I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt
I still hope he views Claussen like I do…maybe I am looking for confirmation of my own pathetic scouting skills
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
if one of them is even available to us at #9
even though I want Bradford
they certainly won’t both be available at #9
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OMG
I watched him develop over 3 seasons. Frosh year he was killed behind his o-line and still kept fighting. Got better his Soph year and even better this past season. I’ve watched every snap at QB he has taken, he can make any throw. Go watch a ND game from this past season, he can throw the deep out with extreme zip, the hardest throw they say. He didn’t pick the schedule so that means nothing, so that argument holds no bearing on his stats, you don’t pick who you play. Against one of the top safeties in Taylor Mays he played amazing and had a great game. He also showed how clutch he his winning every close game ND won in 2009 which was about almost every win.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
You can say that about a lot of QB's
Rob Johnson got killed at USC but kept fighting. JaMarcus Russell made all the throws. So did Ryan Leaf. And Akili Smith.
I like Clausen. But what you presented, in and of itself, do not make successful NFL QB’s.
None of them had to deal with the hype of being the QB
of ND, he’s not a JaMarcus or Akili c mon Leaf. I was more saying to the poster talking about playing against bad D’s and just said his strengths. Also, watch the final drive of the 2009 Purdue game, the kid has heart. He’s the reason ND won 6 games and not 3-4, and out of 12 games, 8-10 were all close and he always made the plays, the kid is special. I prefer him to Bradford because of his injury, not playing for a season and Jimmy developed how QB’s are supposed to. He got better ever season and that isn’t something you could say about Bradford.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I watched almost every ND game and I agree with you he’s really good. He is a tough guy to play through pain like he did. He can make all the throws and he reads defenses very well. I am affraid about Bradford because there is much less to go on.
I still think I’d prefer Bulaga at #9 but if Jimmy is there and Nix picks him, I’ll be happy as well. Then we’d better find a way to grab Saffold
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You need to stop being so defensive about Clausen
You’ve clearly got a homerism attitude toward him being an ND fan. I feel the same way about Tebow…. but go read some of the things I’ve wrote about Tebow here and on Mocking the Draft. I’m pretty critical of him.
Here’s the point: playing at ND means nothing in the NFL. Rick Meier was nobody for the Seahawks. The jury is still out on Quinn, who I like a lot, but he hasn’t done much either in his first 12 games.
Playing QB at USC, IMO, is every bit as pressure packed as playing QB at ND. USC’s got a great QB tradition. Plus, the city of LA feeds off that team during the season. The hype machine in LA runs every bit as hot, if not hotter, as it does in South Bend. Guys like Rob Johnson, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, and Mark Sanchez had to deal with similar pressure to Clausen.
Clausen’s got a good chance to be a top ten pick… but he’s not what you are making him out to be. Bradford is a better prospect. So are Mallett, Locker, and Luck. We understand that you’re an ND fan, but try to be objective.
BTW, I like Clausen
You can go back and see what I’ve wrote about him as well, and it’s mostly good. In fact, at one point, I thought he had first overall pick potential, and he still does pending his interviews and Pro Day.
So I’m not a Clausen hater… just being realistic.
There is no guarantee with any of the QBs
the argument you just made applies to every QB in the draft.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
So the reason you don't like him
is because of the teams he played against?
Not that it’s related at all, but I’ve seen you talk about this Andrew Luck character as a potential #1 overall pick. Against teams who also possessed very weak pass defenses, he put up mediocre numbers. Why do you try pumping this guy up so much if he can’t even produce big numbers against weak pass defenses? See, that’s just as lame of an argument….
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I said many people throw out the "stats" as to why Claussen should be the pick......
Im not the only one who views luck as a number 1 overall pick………Many people have. Just like they do with Claussen.
With Luck it wasnt about the numbers this year……it was about the way he took command of a team who hasnt had decent QB play since 2006 and gave the team a true throwing threat to compliment the awesome running of Toby Gerhart. He showed true leadership ability as a RS Frosh.
Plus yeah…….Im a homer.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 2, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
id rather
dip my head into a hot vat of boiling hot asphalt than draft Jimmy Clausen
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
Come April 17th
You just might be tasting asphalt. I hope for him, Buluga or McClian
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Why are so many vehemently against Clausen???
Why are so many vehemently against Clausen???
For me.
1.) OT is a much greater need, If Okung, Bulaga, and Davis are all of the board, then I would consider Clausen and only then.
2.) Next year is a much deeper QB draft class, with at least a probable 4 legitimate 1st round NFL franchise QB prospects for 2011 at this point and possibly even more.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
How about Rolondo McClain?
One of those OT’s will be available, so for you Clausen wont be a consideration.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't even consider McClain
With the switch to a 3-4
We need to get a decent OL, full of finishers, the ones that will wear down an opposing DL with knocking them down all game. A line that will get a 5yd surge in the last 4 minutes when running the ball with a lead. We haven’t had that since the early 90’s.
We have 2 guys that fit the description in Wood and Incognito if we move Wood back to his natural center position. If we added Bulaga, that would be 3 and a killer running attack. I’m not completely sold Bulaga can be a LT, but if he can’t handle LT I think he definitely can handle RT and with him there, Incognito at RG, and Wood at C, I think we could rack up huge yards running to the right, and taking the pressure off the QB to carry the team. A dominating ball control run first offense. That’s why I think Bulaga is the right fit for us right now.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
If you’ve seen any of my post that tells who I want Buffalo to draft and it’s Buluga, Okung, McClain, Clausen. I would love any of them, and to say not even considering McClain is kind of single minded, we never know how ODB is thinking. I understand it’s not as much as a need, but we need a another ILB, imo. He could be a great like Willis.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
The reason I'm against McClain.
Is the spot he would fit in a 3-4 is going to be Poz’s spot. So that would render Poz of no use McClain he would take his spot at Wil. I think Poz will do a fine job there, so McClain is unnecessary.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
but we need a another ILB
Yes we do, and that would be Larry Foote.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Ok I like that thought.
I feel that Poz and McClain could man the middle with Kawika switching in and playing OLB opposite Maybin/Schobel OLB. That is a killer 3-4 group of LB’s but Foote is a great idea, go get him ODB.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
OT is a much greater need
A franchise that hasn’t had a franchise QB in over a decade does not have that atop the list of needs? We have a ton of needs. To say OT is a much greater need than anything else is not really true, especially when this team is so desperate for a face of the franchise QB.
2.) Next year is a much deeper QB draft class, with at least a probable 4 legitimate 1st round NFL franchise QB prospects for 2011 at this point and possibly even more.
And there’s zero guarantee that any of those guys will be available to Buffalo, or even that they’ll still be bigtime prospects next year.
Again, if Nix and co. feel Clausen is the real deal and want to build around him, so be it. I hope they do so then. If they aren’t convinced of it, fine, pick the best player available at #9. I don’t see how anyone can claim we shouldn’t take Clausen simply because we also need a LT.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yes Really
If Bulaga is available at 9, I think it’s a no brainer, If you have a decent OL and running game, the Jets have shown you can move up by sacraficing some picks to get your guy.
Remember what we gave up for Biscuit? Once you have your trenches built and are 1 player away from contending, It doesn’t hurt so much to give up 2 #1s. Build the lines this year, the OT and DT class is deep this year and the QB class is deep next year.
It makes no sense to reach for a QB this year and then reach for OL next year if they don’t fix it this year.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Not so.
Football is the ULTIMATE TEAM GAME,
It is the OL that gives the QBs what they need to win.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Next year is a much deeper QB draft class, with at least a probable 4 legitimate 1st round NFL franchise QB prospects for 2011 at this point and possibly even more.
People thought that about this QB class not that long ago too. Then Locker and Mallet don’t declare. Bradford misses most of his season. Snead tanks and throws a million INTs. People start to realize that McCoy is undersized and has a weak arm. And suddenly, it’s a weak QB class. What if Mallet doesn’t declare again? What if Luck, a soon to be sophomore, doesn’t declare? What if Devlin isn’t the real deal or Ponder is more of a 2nd round prospect? What if Pryor goes back to school and/or is a poor prospect. What if Buffalo stumbles onto some lucky wins and isn’t picking in the top 10? It’s not unlikely that next draft is a lot like this one, with 2 top 10 prospects and then some mid round guys. And if Buffalo waits and can’t find a QB next year, they could be screwed.
Right now, I see 3 guys who look like 1st round prospects and 2 of them aren’t seniors. Passing on a QB now because one might be there next year is a really risky proposition. Now, if you don’t think Clausen is that good of a prospect (which I know that you don’t), then I do understand wanting to wait and look for a better player next year. Buf if the Bills think Clausen is the real deal, then they have to take him regardless of every other factor. You don’t pass on a good QB prospect when you don’t have a QB.
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Next Years QB Draft Class
Jake Locker
Ryan Mallet
Andrew Luck
Mitch Mustain
Blaine Gabbert
Torrelle Pryor
Pat Devlin
Just wanted to throw that out there……..
pardon me if I’m mistaken, but I thought you said ‘QB’…. whats Pryor doin on that list? hes got future so-so punt returner written all over him
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Torrelle Pryor
Work in progress and has unlimited potential at the QB position.
Perhaps i listed him early as he requires more development.
He has an excellent athlete and the perfect size.
He has good work ethic.
I’ve read several articles on his improvements of the season.
He is not in the Jamarcus Russel mold, but rather Daunte Culpepper or Vince Young.
by Pablo Escobar on Mar 1, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
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by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Cheers to next year's QB class!!!!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 1, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Here here!
The more I see, the les I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 1, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
i want mallet!
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 1, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
This years class
Clausen
Bradford
Tebow
McCoy
Lefevour
Pike
Snead
Crompton
Also Mitch Mustian isn’t very good and Pryor isn’t a better QB than anyone in this class. I like Mallet and Luck other than that have fun with the great class of QB’s nexy year.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 1, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
yea, I still think this years class is better
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by poz on Mar 1, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Buddy obviously like him enough to meet with him
so if he is there i really do think he is the guy we take and if he has a good pro day then I am really gunna want this pick. I’m hoping we don’t pass him up if he is.
by Giovanni Massimi on Mar 1, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously I tossed out some early names……….no concrete thoughts or opinions can be generated on the overall class. But Jake Locker was rated higher than Clausen and Bradford coming into this years draft….which of course he returned back to school.
There is a whole year of college football yet to be played. There will be more candidates.
I still believe this years QB draft class is extremely weak.
by Pablo Escobar on Mar 1, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
No, but isn't as good as it is made out to seem. IMO
Mallet might set a all time low on the wonderlic ( not that it’s that important but to show overall intel), maybe even Vince Young low.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
And the same isn't happening with your opinion of Clausen.
Here’s some reality: Any objective grader of QB talent would put the 2010 and 2011 combined class in this order, or pretty close:
1.) Locker
2.) Bradford
3.) Mallett
4.) Luck
5.) Clausen
Locker is far superior in physical skills to Clausen. And you want to talk about carrying a team? Locker’s done that far more than Clausen.
Bradford is the smartest QB on that list, similar to Peyton Manning in some regards concerning his intelligence, and is more accurate than Clausen (who is accurate in his own right).
Mallett is the prototype pocket passer that is physically better than all of the other QB’s on this list except in footspeed. And who cares about the Wonderlic. Dan Marino scored a 16.
Luck is a super solid prospect that should come out next year. Great size, great arm, very smart, good mobility.
Clausen is a very accurate on short and medium range throws. He deep arm is just below great. Average mobility. Good football intelligence.
So like I’ve been saying, fix the line first. We’ll finish around 8-8 and we will get our chance at either Locker/Mallet/Luck in 2011
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Just means we have a better chance than I thought at one of next years signal callers
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
IF
in this years draft we rebuild the o-line to what its going to look like for the next 8 years and we get solid depth at D positions, I think we should throw the farm at the #1 QB next year.
Im not sure that Luck will actually leave after next year.........
he’s only a RS Soph……..I wouldnt be suprised if he didnt come out at all after this next year.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 2, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't Nix say you had to have Luck to be competitive?????
He has a long term plan after all …..that cagey Buddy Nix…….It is all coming together :-P
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I spoke of the wonderlic just as a example of him being unintelligent.
As I said in the post, “it’s not that important”. To say Luck is better than Clausen is a reach. I like Locker, Bradford, and Mallet but were not getting Bradford so this is why I’m backing Clausen if we take a QB this year (along with being a homer, idk I’m the same with the Bills; they’re my true loves both of them). So, considering I want what is best for Buffalo, I feel that if we are going to take Clausen it would great. I have said it many times I want the Bills to go Clausen, Buluga, Okung, or McClain, most wont believe me but in no particular order (I want Buluga the most). Then either draft Lefeavor who I like a lot, or Mallet next year, we need a QB obviously. But, what makes anyone think we go 6-10 again or even better than we wont get Locker or Mallet so strike while you can. Locker will probably go No. 1, and I don’t think were going to have a top-5 pick, maybe another 8-12 range (our usual drafting spots) and they could both be gone.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I can agree with this
But when Clausen was criticized, you got super defensive. He’s not perfect. He’s not “the answer.” And I like him a lot; I like his swagger.
I also understand the Clausen-hate, it’s similar to the Tebow hate.
I agree I did get defensive.
I also agree about the anti- Clausen/Tebow rhetoric, it’s always people being extremely one sided . People are either on one end of the spectrum or the other which leads to heated debates, thus making me feeling like I can give my opinion on him. It’s also just anti-ND hate, I don’t know why people hate ND so much, they haven’t won or been consistent for over 15 years. Anyway, I’m not afraid to fly my flag and show my support for the Bills, just like ND. In South Bend, I’m the man that praises the Bills, I tell my buddies about how good Freddy Jackson was during early 2008, when knowbody knew about him outside of Buffalo untill going into this season. Tell them about Kyle Williams and how if he was on the Colts they might have won that SB, I get pleasure at the few times I can talk bad about the Colts. I know he’s not the “answer”, I mean cmon their is only one “answer” the great Allen Iverson. April 17,18, & 19th can’t come soon enough.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
It’s also just anti-ND hate, I don’t know why people hate ND so much, they haven’t won or been consistent for over 15 years.
I hate ND as much as the next sane person, but I would never let that blind me into hating a guy who could lead my Bills to the play-offs.
As for why people hate ND so much…You hit it on the head, they haven’t won or been consistent for over 15 years.YET they still get a ton of national love. They get prime time games and they serious favoritism when i t comes to bowl games (if they qualify) because they have such a huge following and the sponsors want the big draw. The college bowl system is very flawed, and to see a better team miss out on a big bowl game just to placate the ND fans really gets people steamed.
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Agree
The national love is more religion based than anything else. Compare ND football=Duke BBall fans, passionate, loyal, and in some cases think they’re entitled. I understand the dislike but it’s simple economics that every game is televised because they draw in the ratings, so why woulnd’t a TV station not pick up an ND game. They make money. The bowl game comment rings true also with ND, if they win 7-8 games they’re a lock for the Gator Bowl, they always want the ND teams that are average. But again it’s money, ND fans are everywhere and they travel well.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
I can't remember
being uncomfortable with anything you have wrote before now. But when you say “Any objective grader of QB talent…would put the class in this order, or pretty close:” I cringe to my bones. I think the reaction is for more than one reason.
Your assessment of a consensus ‘objective’ grade is subjective, and if I may, a bit arrogant, which is completely out of character for a writer/researcher of your ability and resume.
Bradford has proved himself on a bigger stage, over more time, with more pressure than Locker, and I would be shocked if Locker was a consensus grade ahead…especially if the graders scrutinized both players equally. Locker just hasn’t faced the same big time situations. And I think way too many people have fallen in love with him without watching a Washington game. I might have to coin the nickname “Sasquatch” for Jake :-)
I look forward to your input on BR. This caught me off gaurd.
a.k.a. Undee
I didn't think I was being arrogant
If it came off that way, it wasn’t the idea.
By saying pretty close, what I mean is that not too many folks are going to be rating Clausen at the top, or Bradford at the bottom. If you like Bradford better than Locker, isn’t not a huge deal, you just might rate them Bradford, Locker, Mallett, Luck, Clausen.
I almost didn’t use that word, b/c it is so strong. I think you were making a point, where I was being generally critical. That seems to happen on sports blogs often. I hope you take my comment in a way that demonstrates that I am a fan of yours. Thanks for responding.
a.k.a. Undee
Thanks
Sometimes I comes across differently because I’m not super PC and don’t really consider feelings in my first drafts. I almost always read and rewrite what I write because I comes across poorly at times.
BTW, I’m not good enough to have fans… thanks though! : )
Good enough?
Now you are fishing! Of course you have fans! I’m not alone.
The reason so many true Bills fans congregate here is because of contributors like you.
a.k.a. Undee
Have you watched Locker?
This kid is greatness.
I have not seen a kid so elusive with instinct in a while, he has the sixth sense to avoid a rusher he doesn’t see but feels and has the speed to make a play after that., He sure reminds me of Elway only better. Also it’s not like he has much talent around him, I would draft him in a heartbeat if I could.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 3, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
I have.
Sasquatch Locker is fun to watch, and he will bring the Pac-10 some prime viewing slots. Let’s see how he compares to Elway as the seasons unfold! I will not bet against him, but I wouldn’t hang my bank on him yet, either.
If you happen to watch a Huskies game this year, keep an eye out for WR #15 Jermaine Kearse.
a.k.a. Undee
Let’s see how he compares to Elway as the seasons unfold!
Let’s see!
I wanted him to be on our team so bad, and hope we can get him next year, In my gut he is gonna be a winner no matter where he ends up, I want him to be a Bill so bad. My gut feeling on Locker says can’t miss prospect.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 3, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions
We need a QB
What is wrong with people? QB is by far our greatest weakness, and Clausen as well as Bradford are the two best QBs available, so why is it a surprise that Chan is meeting with one of them? He should. I wish they would draft a QB and show some guts so we have a new hope for a QB instead of a better line for a bunch of scrubs. Why build protection for a turkey?
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are you fans so jaded and depressed that the only thing you look forward to is another Offensive lineman as you watch new teams get franchise QBs???
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totally agree with you
I’ve been astounded by the resistance trying to argue we should nab Clausen or Bradford if they are available at 9 or trade up to 5 with the Chiefs to get one if they’re there.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Sorry but I disagree
We are not Jaded and depressed at all. Parcells would tell you that you re-build a franchise through the trenches – period. If you don’t have a line to protect the “franchise QB”, well he might not ever get to the “franchised” state, he might never develop properly. The biggest imperative this year is fixing the line once and for all and re-establishing a strong running game. Both are a young QBs best friend.
Anyone who actually thinks we can make it beyond 8-8 in 2010 should consult a physician or at the very least reduce your alcohol intake, it is clearly making you delusional. We are in complete rebuild mode boys & girls! We will be drafting in the 8-14 range next year and Both Mallet & Locker will be within our reach.
Let’s not forget that a solid house requires a solid foundation.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
I wouldn't be so sure of that
this is precisely why I want a franchise QB now, because usually when your line and running game are good enough allow you to finally start looking for a franchise QB you are no longer picking high enough to get the one you want. Picking 8-14 doesn’t sound like a spot to get Mallet or Locker to me. I’m thinking of Seattle, Cleveland, Oakland, St.Louis , Washington, Kansas City and Denver all as teams that could realistically finish worse than us and who all are teams that under one circumstance or another could be realistically looking for a new franchise signal caller in 2011. What if you’re wrong and we end up 6-10 and pick 9th again and Luck, Mallet and Locker are gone? I just don’t think teams without QBs can afford to pass on them if a top tier prospect is available to be selected.
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by poz on Mar 2, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
The way I see it
Rome wasn’t built in a day.. Drafting a new LT will not solve all our problems in 2010 but it will be the building block for 2011 and beyond. Like our two new guards last year, clearly they made errors regularly that really made us pull our hair out but towards the end of the season we could see the light and clearly these guys (Levitre & Wood) will be our pillars for a very long time to come.
My feeling is that we can fix the line & running game for 2011 but it won’t make us win much more that 8 games in 2010, which means we’ll be in the 8-12 area next draft.
There are a lot of unknowns going into 2011, uncapped year, lockout, etc.
Some guys will be available, guys like McNabb, Alex Smith, David Garrard, Jason Campbell.
And if our trenches are fixed and we are 1 QB away from getting over the hump, we can trade up to get either Mallet or Locker.
What I do know is drafting a young man and throwing him in too soon behind a bad line can be extremely detrimental to his development. If the goal is to draft him and let him learn behind a veteran QB for 1-2 years, who is that vet? Do we want him learning anything from Edwards or Fitzy? I think not.
Finally, getting a bookend LT that fits out style is not easy either and it’s almost as important as QB. So who’s to say that we can get a LT next year if we pass on one this year? Right now from everything I’m hearing, Bulaga is a sure bet whereas Claussen still has some questions and uncertainty, the safer bet is definitely Bulaga at #9.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Look at the Jets.
They have an awesome offensive line, one that can run block like champs. Mark Sanchez didn’t look much better this year than Trent Edwards and they made it to the AFC championship game (I think how much better Trent would be with the Jets OL and think it would be MUCH better), and there are some nice sleepers besides Luck, Mallet and Locker. How about Pat Devlin, has the physical tools to be a first rounder, needs more experience, has a rocket arm, could move up big ala Joe Flacco with a good season next year,
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
you keep using the Jets
but they were still 9-7! We were 9-7 and didnt make the playoffs this decade, they were 9-7 had two games handed to them and got in. Lets wait to see if they build anything there before anointing them an example of how to build a winner. As of right now, they aren’t.
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by poz on Mar 2, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
you keep using the Jets
Yes because they have a great OL.
Mark Sanchez was not that good, behind a top notch line.
We could have gotten Alan Faneca for slightly more (1 more year and a couple extra mil for the contract) than we payed that sloth Dockery, who couldn’t get a push on his defender on 3rd and short if his life depended on it.
I think Trent is a better QB than Sanchez, If we had the same line as the Jets, I bet alot of Bills fans would change their minds and stop with the Trentative and Captain Checkdown nonsense.
Even Buddy said it, you can’t evaluate a QB when he is on his back all the time.
Build the line, the war is won in the trenches. Yes the Jets were only 9-7, as long as they have that quality line, they are not getting any worse.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
One thing
We got Dockery the year before Faneca hit the market. As history shows the Dockery was an ultimate FA mishap, along with Langston ( wow ODB whiffed that off-season) wow we Bills fans are so jaded the last decade with the OL. It seems the only good OL pick-ups have been from the past draft, Wood and Levitre.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
I know
When we signed him, I was like Dockery who?
I knew Faneca would hit the market the next year and thought why wouldn’t you wait a year for a talent as good as Faneca, instead of someone I had never heard much about. And after watching Dockery play, I realized why there wasn’t much fanfare.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
It seems the only good OL pick-ups have been from the past draft, Wood and Levitre.
Peters…perhaps? I know everyone here seems to hate him so much now, but let’s not forget how good he was here. He’s by far the best OL we’ve had in years…..
~K
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Yeah kinda blew that one,
regarding him I was going to say we finally get the diamond in the rough franchise LT, a converted TE no less and he doesn’t want to play in Buffalo. It was going to be another example of how we as Bills fans being jaded by our OL for the past few years. It seems we are always making the wrong moves or things not working out (like Peters). I’m just happy that if Wood is healthy, we will have 2/3 of our interior set for years.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 2, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
He was a good OT for us, but you could just tell once he got paid, he was going to be a sloth.
I’m glad we traded him and used the pick on Wood, Wood looks hungry for success and I think he will find it after he recovers from his injury, THANK GOD it wasn’t career ending, while Peters now that he has been paid doesn’t seem too interested in being the best he can be.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 3, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
again
I think it is quiet early to say the Jets wont get any worse than 9-7. I still think they were technically a 7-9 team but hey record is all that matters so good on them. I’d like to see them do it again before using them as a blueprint on how to build a team.
The Cardinals built a team by building an incredible wide receiver crew, a below average o-line, and a below average running game and they went to the Super Bowl with a veteran QB and made the playoffs again the next year but you don’t see me advocating building a team in that style.
The Saints didnt build their team in the trenches and THEN get a franchise QB. They got a franchise QB and their o-line looked much better and was good enough to win BECAUSE they had a franchise QB. Same with the Cardinals. Same with Chargers, Same with the Packers.
A franchise QB makes a great o-line look a lot better than a great o-line makes a QB look. This years playoff teams and their left tackle and quarterback:
Cardinals: Mike Gandy / Kurt Warner
Chargers: Marcus McNeil / Philip Rivers
Bengals: Andrew Whitworth / Carson Palmer
Jets : D’Brickshaw Ferguson / Mark Sanchez
Patriots: Matt Light / Tom Brady
Ravens: Jared Gaither / Joe Flacco
Colts: Charlie Johnson / Peyton Manning
Vikings: Bryant McKinnie / Brett Favre
Cowboys: Flozell Adams / Tony Romo
Eagles: Jason Peters / Donovan McNabb
Saints: Jamaal Brown / Drew Brees
Packers: Chad Clifton / Aaron Rodgers
Except for the Jets who could easily have been replaced by Ben Roethlisberger and Max Starks, all those teams have better QBs than LTs. Sure there are some great OTs on that list but every single QB on there but Sanchez is top 12 in the league – and again plug in Big Ben and Max Starks and the exception of Sanchez is gone. How many of those LTs are top 12? I say three – Peters, McKinnie and McNeil.
Everyone knows a LT is crucial, but a great QB is much more important. Sure Bulaga is a greater guarantee but you have to take risks to get your franchise QB.
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by poz on Mar 2, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree completely.
A franchise QB makes a great o-line look a lot better than a great o-line makes a QB
An Oline consists of 5 people, not just an LT, we have a solid middle. Now we need the bookends.
Aaron Rodgers and Rothlisberger are the ones who make their Oline look not so bad. Jake Locker ranks in that category but he didn’t come out.
I really think there will not be much difference in the performance of Clausen vs Edwards with this line if we don’t improve it.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
To add a second thought.
Aaron Rodgers and Rothlisberger are the ones who make their Oline look not so bad. Jake Locker ranks in that category but he didn’t come out.
That’s why I liked Locker so much, he is like Aaron Rodgers in his pocket presence and elusiveness, when watching him play, he had a sixth sense, when pressure was coming, where a rusher was coming from the blindside and without even seeing it would duck under it, and then make a play on the run. You can’t teach that, that i instinct, I don’t tink Clausen shows that skill or Bradford for that matter. I think you can get by with a substandard line with Locker, like Big Ben, and Rodgers. With Clausen, you better be able to give him some time to throw, because he doesn’t have exceptional elusevness. I’d rather fix the line and keep Trent rather then draft Clausen and watch him become Trent the sequel.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
but what do we do if cant replace Trent?
I think we agree on a lot more than it sounds like right now because I’d be all for taking a LT at 9 and getting a QB in the second round so long as he has a vet on the team to start while he sits for a few years (giving us time to give him that o-line you speak of).
My concern is that if we dont get a vet and aren’t in position to take Locker next year (or Luck or Mallet if we are picking 12-15) it would be wise to take our guy now. If Nix believes Clausen or Bradford are the real deal shouldn’t they be selected over a LT we can pick at 12-15 next year?
I think this debate comes down to my thinking we will pick in the high teens next year and you thinking we will be picking 5-8, am I correct in this assumption BK? You seem sure we will get an elite guy next year but I doubt that we will.
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heck just to add
even if we are picking 9th again, there are so many teams like Cleveland, Oakland, Seattle, St Louis, Denver, that could be worse than us looking for QBs
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
My position is.
Fix the line this year,
I think Trent can get it done if he isn’t getting his head bounced off the turf on the 2nd step of a 3 step drop which is what has happened the past two years.
If the line is fixed and we are racking up huge yards on the ground and Trent has time, but has become too gun shy.
Then let’s get a quarterback next year, even if it takes our 1st rd 2011 and 2012, to do it.
The battle is won in the trenches, I have no doubt about that. You could put Jim Kelly in his prime behind the makeshift line from last year and he probably would rack up a few more broken legs,
Do you remember Sam Adams breaking his leg? I do.
Our OL has been in decline since the day Will Woolford left until we Drafted Wood. We need two bookends for Edwards and if that doesn’t work and Edwards is too shellshocked to improve, then it’s time to look at the draft next year.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 3, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
I also just dont
get how next years class is better than this years? They are very comparable. Clausen, Bradford, Tebow, McCoy, LeFervour, Snead is a pretty good round up without including Pike.
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by poz on Mar 2, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Because there are only 2 worthy of first round picks this year when there should be 4-5 next year.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t matter how solid a house is, if there is nothing in that house worth protecting!!
I’d rather live in a hovel and have something to look forward too, than an empty mansion. Look at the Green Bay Packers. Their line gave up the most sacks or very close to it, but because they had a great QB they got all the way to the playoffs! Look at how many good young rookie QBs are leading their teams into the playoffs.
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by pasaluki on Mar 2, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at the Green Bay Packers. Their line gave up the most sacks or very close to it, but because they had a great QB they got all the way to the playoffs!
If we were talking about drafting Jake Locker, I would agree, but that is not Clausen’s strong skills.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 2, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t matter how solid a house is, if there is nothing in that house worth protecting!!
Brilliant. Rec’d.
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the house itself has value.....you shouldn't have to be homeless to realize that.
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
the only thing you look forward to is another Offensive lineman
Up until last year OBD hasn’t done much to upgrade the line other than mega bust Mike Williams, Jim Kelly had a a hell of a line and had his career cut short when OBD didn’t maintain that line, the biggest mistake they made was letting Wolford go.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 3, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
Actually
They spent some money flailing at shadows, by signing Dockery and Walker.
But they actually made a difference with Wood and Levitre, now we need some bookends.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 3, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
He should. I wish they would draft a QB and show some guts so we have a new hope for a QB instead of a better line for a bunch of scrubs. Why build protection for a turkey?
The line is where the battle is won, throw Peyton Manning behind our last years makeshift line and watch him go 8-8.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 3, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
It's a flat out miracle
We won any games with the injuries on the OL
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 3, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, but our OL was a complete joke last year. Throw Manning behind the OL that Buffalo had in 2008 and he’s still great. Throw Trent Edwards behind the Colts’ line, especially playing in Buffalo with our mediocre skill players and this team still stinks.
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Offensive line and Defensive line
- Repeat after me………Claussen has been reported that a lot of teams don’t think he is mature for a Q.B., and their are no standoug Q.B.‘s in this year’s draft, unless Bradford’s arm is healthy.
- And another QB from Southern California, of which Elway and Carson Palmer are as well, but Bills have had Rob Johnson and JP Losman – Stay away from them!
I agree
Let’s get our big men early (offensive/defensive tackle)…..we can get Lefevour or Jarrett Brown in later rounds…
Jarrett Brown
This is not at all based on anything from the combine, I’ve actually mentioned him on here once or twice a few weeks back. I like this dude’s physical skills and attitude. 1-2 yrs learning the ropes and he could surprise some people.
I’m even over the fact that he went to such an awful college.
Haha
I’m even over the fact that he went to such an awful college.
HUGE surprise that you threw that in there….
~K
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