Said Kennedy in a text message about the trip to Buffalo: "A few interested teams... Taking it one visit at a time... If I make it out of Buffalo... I will go to next team."
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come on OBD. I think this would be a great addition…
"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
we need this
i don’t know how we can let him go
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
I would be disappointed, not shocked, but disappointed if we let him walk away. This signing makes too much sense lol.
"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
in Nix we trust...
He was Supposed to be the best DT in the 2003 draft. He got picked up by the Rams in the first round. He had a disappointing three seasons in St. Louis and before his rookie contract intact they shipped him to Denver for a 6th round pick – at that point he had been in the league for three years and should have been considered in his prime. But if you ask anyone in St. Louis, this man was a bust.
He’s been mediocre since in stints with Jacksonville and Minnesota.
BUT… there’s upside.
He hasn’t been on the field much and he’s never played NT. But how many players can we say that about??? He’s also one hell of a guy in the community.
If Nix likes him to play 2 gap, I would like them to get him… for sure. The production just wouldn’t justify a big-time contract so don’t expect them to give him one.
i will not drinketh thy coolaid...
Keep him in town...
Sounds like he will sign today, if we really want him. Let’s keep him from leaving town without a signed contract. He’s not the final answer, but he could be a good step in that direction and give us more flexibility in the draft.
good depth… what do yu guys think money wise for this guy?
Same as Green 3years, 9 million? more, less?
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seeing as he just came off the league minimum
i wouldnt think that kind of contract would be indicative to what he should get….but you never know.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 11, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
less
hes coming off of a contract where he was at the vet minimum. Im thinking for in the four year, 9.5 mil area
I don’t think that Kennedy particularly cares what he was making last year. This is his last chance to get a big contract and he knows it, and he wont sign unless he gets it. Add that to the fact that he would be our starting NT, and he knows it, and his asking price will be higher that Green`s.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I could live with that contract
"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
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I think that a starting NT (which he would be) requires larger contracts, and Kenedy knows it. I think that it would probably the a 5.5M offer or more to get him to sign, and I’d be perfectly fine with it.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
ok 5.5M might be high. But it’s deffinatly going to take a larger and longer contract that Green’s to get him to sign.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
it would suck if we paid him like a starter
and then we drafted a top prospect NT… but whatever
Also… would it then be more than Kyle Williams
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Kyle is make what, about 4M? Since we’d see Kennedy on the feild just as much as Kyle (with kyle playing DE while Kenedy is NT) I’d say that Kenedy’s salery would be at par with Kyle’s. I’d also say that I think Kyle is underpayed.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I also assume that Williams is probably going to produce better than Kennedy would despite playing out of position.
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same here.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
im not convinced KW can't or won't man the middle in some capacity
I don’t know exactly what the D will look like, but my senses tell me that KW will dowhatever it takes to see that field. He has been doing that all along, has made himself a better player over the years, and I think too, may even increase his weight in order to be a difference maker… unless he will play a DE type role, in which he may even lose weight… but I think he should just grow a mustace and wear number 76…. Go Smerlas Jr.!
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Kyle Williams:
Signed a five-year, $14.5 million contract.
The deal contains $5.7 million guaranteed, including first-year roster bonuses totaling $3.25 million.
2010-2011: $1.75 million,
2012: $1.805 million,
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Damn thats low. Anyone else think that Kyle is underpayed for what he brings to the table?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions
As part of his contract
OBD stakes out all the live goat’s he can eat. So I mean that add’s to the value from his end.
That’s what you get when you re-sign up and comers before their contracts expire. We did the same with Jason Peters but he wanted to redo his contract with a bunch of years left.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 13, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he will be a star NT, but I think in a rotation with Williams they could work out well, and it at least gives the Bills the option to grab the BPA instead of having to reach… so far what this FA has proven to me, is the front office knows the major holes of this team and is looking for players to help fill those holes. None of these guys will be long term starters or pro bowl players but they will allow the Bills options when drafting. I really like these moves….
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Kennedy is very solid against the run but the knock on him is that his push up the middle is weak, he is weak in the pas rushing area. Williams is a gritty player that is at his best when he is pass rushing, so I could definitely see Kennedy in on sure running downs and Williams in on sure passing downs. A good 1-2 punch!
Kennedy has never played NT in a 3-4 and I suspect that he might blossom in that position. At a minimum he would pair up with Kyle Williams very well.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
I completely agree, and though he is 30, a lot of DT playing into their 30’s and the fact that he has been a backup means he hasn’t gotten the beating most D-linemen have taken. Does anyone know anything about his career in terms of injuries?
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3 sacks as a part time DT isnt too bad tho. I would be happy with 5-6 sacks from our NT.
"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
I’d be happy to get 5-6 sacks from our entire NT rotation.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think.....
This is exactly what was projected by OBD. FA= Adding Depth.
And if i am correct we dont need to keep these guys if they dont fit….. Offer them money and if they dont work out the let them go.
But dont let them go now, we have not seen how they can help the team yet.
Kennedy would be terrific depth but absolutely shouldn’t be counted on as starting NT imo. The guy simply hasn’t proven that he’s anything more than a solid backup
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 11, 2010 1:01 PM EST reply actions
I agree that he shouldn’t be handed the starting position, but I don’t think he should be discounted either. Plus I really see the defense this coming year really morphing depending on the game. Perhaps say against NE K. Williams starts in the NT, but say if Kennedy is signed he would be the starting NT against say Miami…
Also, having a guy with some size would help on say 3rd and short – maybe see something along the lines of Stroud – Kennedy – Spencer Johnson – and whoever else normally would start at end. That combination seems pretty stout…
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I agree on the rotation depending on the team we face. Your examples are perfect too, NE is a pass heavy team so Williams would be the better option to start against them. Miami is a run heavy team, so Kenedy would be the better option. Good call.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think that he would be our starting NT, and a 2 down lineman for us. I disagree about himhaving not proven anything. Fact is he is a 2 gap DT that has spent almost his entire career in 1 gap systems. The reason that he hasn’t proved anything is that he has never been used properly until he got to Minisota.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
The guy is no more than a bust who had one slightly productive season in Minnesota where he played on a line with four Pro Bowlers. Even mediocre Spencer Johnson looked like a very good football player on that D-line. I’d rather focus our efforts on signing Andra Davis as LB-depth, Torry Holt or Bobby Wade as 2./3.WR and some OG-depth. Then in the draft draft Bryan Bulaga, Mount Cody and trade some of our late rounds picks to get back in the second and draft Tebow. Then with one of the few picks we have left in the draft, select more ILB-depth in Micah Johnson and some more O-line depth.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 12, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
If I make it out of Buffalo…
To me that means that he’s actually taking us into serious consideration. Thats a good thing.
Now lets just hope that OBD doesn`t screw this up. Give him the Godfather offer, and make sure he doesn’t leave without a contract.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions
"Either your brains or your signature will be in the contract" - Vito Corleone
" A wise man once told me, never argue with a fool, becuase from a far, you can't tell who is who" - Jay-Z
by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 11, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
ahh I screwed up meant "on the contract" not "in"
" A wise man once told me, never argue with a fool, becuase from a far, you can't tell who is who" - Jay-Z
by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 11, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well i guess that would be an offer that he couldn’t refuse.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I guess Ralph=Vito, Chan=Fredo, Nix=Lucca Brazzi, Whitner=Sonny. We need our Micheal.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 11, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Next franchise QB=Micheal.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I like that
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 11, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
No way
Whitner is most definitely Fredo. All insecure and whatnot.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I was thinking Carlo…you know the weak punk who get his butt kicked by Sonny and and then offed because he betrays the family….
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
I think he's a fit for either
Basically the only versatility Whitner has!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I did a Godfather quotes post for the Bills one time
I’ll have to dig it up someday and update it
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
For those of you guys talking contract, remember that Spencer Johnson was a rotational DT behind the Williams wall when Buffalo signed him. Johnson signed a five-year, 17.5M dollar contract albeit with the previous regime. 1M in the first two years and 3M in every subsequent year with a hefty signing bonus.
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I could live with that deal for Kennedy.
And if Johnson starts contributing more, I could live with his deal as well.
Anyone know how old Johnson is now?
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According to the Bills website
Johnson is 28 years old.
Linky: http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster.html?player_id=122791
Do you know how much for the signing bonus? Because a light yearly rate for two years would be nice if things dont work out. And if it increase and he’s playing well, then that well just makes sense.
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Well that’s 11M in yearly salaries so 6.5M is in some sort of bonus. 6M was guaranteed so I would assume that he got at least a 5M signing bonus and maybe a 1M roster bonus at the start of year two.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Spencer Johnson wasn't a 30 year old looking for his 6th team though....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
And NT, as a position, is more valuable than DE, as a position. It’s kind of a crap shoot. The thing that we might have playing to our advantage in terms of salary is that he’d be doing something he hasn’t really done before. The minus side is that we’re probably not the only ones that are looking at him.
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I’m well aware but people were comparing the two. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Kennedy
I’d be very surprised if the Market for Kennedy is not 4 years 18 million (or something very close). 5/20, 3/16 etc. I mean the Bills can cut Kelsay and save this kinda money, plus they have the $6 from not re-signing TO. They might not have Schobel. If this is the biggest free agent move then just overpay him. I have little doubt the Bills offered Wade Davis the same kinda money he accepted in Houston. To get a guy to play in B’lo you have no choice but to overpay. It’s just the way it is.
So does anyone think were getting the text today
I have it at 50 percent. A 50 percent chance we get a text announcing the signing today before 8 o clock.
We got a text…. tease.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
I can’t believe everyone here throwing in their .02 on what OBD should pay a free agent DT. I mean, does it really matter to anybody here what the players get paid? Having opinions on prospective players potential benefit to the team seems like reasonable fan discussion to me, but contract specifics are virtually irrelevant. Even if 2010 wasn’t an uncapped year, the Bills would likely be closer to the league minimum rather than the max. I guess I just don’t get it. At this point, I prefer to place my faith in the staff to do the right thing for the team, whatever they decide that is. Sorry if I’ve offended anyone, I don’t mean to. I just don’t see how being a fan means you need to worry about dissecting players possible contracts. Go Bills!
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by dzil on Mar 11, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
FWIW
I guess I pick up on contracts more as a way of how interested the FO is in the player and possibly what role they expect the player to perform at. I also realize that said player can still get cut before the season even gets started. Regarding Cornell Green, I view his contract to be one that would suggest he will be our starting right tackle. Yet he could be cut after camp. I do understand your point and it is a good one. We often spend time on the critical end of the scale for various reasons and that is more sad than funny.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
Regarding Cornell Green, if his pre-season is sub-par, he can still get cut and then re-signed at a reduced rate. Guaranteed money is a better indicator of OBD’s intentions about how a player fits into their plans. Anybody hear what Green’s guaranteed $ are?
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I just don’t see how being a fan means you need to worry about dissecting players possible contracts
Well, the Bills have a certain amount that they’re going to spend. If you overpay one player you have less to spend on other players.
It’d be like going to a car dealership and buying a car regardless of the price. If it’s listed for $25k and you pay $30k, and I’m a fan who, directly and indirectly, helps pay for that car, I’m not going to be happy.
unfortunately, it’s not like buying a car. Unless the car you’re buying is a low production high demand model that skews the price/value ratio. Cars and players do have one thing in common, their price is usually determined by supply and demand. Unfortunately, unlike cars, there’s not a huge oversupply of decent players available to help lower the cost.
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Cars/Players
I liked Pistol’s car analogy, seems just like buying a car. left wondering what your low production/ high demand skews the price/value ratio means.
Yeah
His analogy dealt with listed price. And the stupidity of paying more than list. And his displeasure with that stupidity. Nothing more, nothing less. You came up with a still baffling counter arguement. It’s all good, I get confused easily.
Two others to look at
Gerard Warren was cut by Oakland today. He’s much more experienced and has been more successful than Kennedy every was. He’s big at 6’4", 325 lbs, and a year old than Kennedy.
Andra Davis, ILB, was released by Denver today. He could fill a veteran backup role for us, perhaps.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I really, REALLY want Davis. He’s a young, cheaper, just as productive version of Larry Foote. And he’s bigger too. He is perfect for the Mike position.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
Davis is in his 30’s? Wow I thought that he was a lot younger than that. He’s still a quality Mike though, and should be a target for us.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
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