Top 5 Best Fit NFL Draft Prospects for Buffalo
Every year, one of the more popular pre-draft features here at Buffalo Rumblings is when we run down the top five NFL Draft prospects that would be considered "best fits" for the Buffalo Bills. "Best fit" is a broad term; usually, it applies schematically, but we also attempt to fit character, intangibles, work ethic and potential into the equation as well.
In 2007, Rumblings was in its nascent stages, and I called current Texans DT Amobi Okoye the best fit from the 2007 draft class. (Leon Hall, Jon Beason, Robert Meachem and the late Gaines Adams also made the list.) We had five comments on the post - in those days, I was joyously skipping through the rain when the blog got one comment - so I could tell immediately that this was a hit. (If you're looking for a laugh, make sure to note our very own MARVelous pulling a "Poslunsky" in the comments section. Those were the days.)
A year later, when we still weren't all that recognizable in the Bills blogosphere, we named current Jet Vernon Gholston the best fit, with Devin Thomas, Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis and Owen Schmitt getting mentions as well. 83 comments later, I knew this would be a yearly feature. Last year, I went with B.J. Raji as top dog, with Aaron Maybin, Max Unger, Brandon Pettigrew and Lawrence Sidbury getting mentions as well.
Yeah. I got off to a rocky start in this feature. You don't need to tell me that, folks, though I don't doubt a few of you will bring it up. (At least I can spell Posluszny.)
You're now reading the 2010 version of this post. Unlike previous iterations of this list, we'll take out hypothetical availability as a factor, and instead of disregarding the team's draft-day needs, we'll absolutely consider those here. (Had we not, C.J. Spiller and Dez Bryant would be on the list.) Since we've named a defensive lineman the "best fit" three years running now, it was only fitting to carry on the tradition.
1. Ndamukong Suh, DE, Nebraska (6'4", 307). Suh probably sits at the top of this list for every team in the league, and obviously, he won't come close to sliding to Buffalo's first-round pick, No. 9 overall. He might not have sat at the top of this list, had the Bills decided to run a 4-3. In the 3-4, however, Suh has devastating potential. He's long, supremely strong, and creates more havoc by himself than many entire defensive lines. In a 3-4 - where he'd be an end, not a nose tackle - Suh's brute strength, block-shedding and playmaking abilities would be at the forefront, and his versatility, along with the attention he'd draw from opponents' blocking schemes, would make it nearly impossible for teams to diagnose a pass rush pre-snap. Suh will do just fine if he ends up in a 4-3, but in a 3-4, he could establish himself as an elite NFL player right out of the gate.
2. Russell Okung, LT, Oklahoma State (6'5", 307). Aside from quarterback (more on that in just one moment), left tackle is without question the Bills' biggest need. It just so happens that one of the most talented players available this year - he also doubles as one of the safest, most reliable prospects you can find - is Oklahoma State left tackle Russell Okung. The tackle class this year is deep, but there are not any blue-chip prospects - a fact that includes Okung, but is ultimately to his benefit. Okung has had a great off-season to cap off a stellar career at Oklahoma State, and the questions surrounding the rest of the tackle crop will likely prevent Okung from falling all the way to No. 9. A supremely talented pass protector, Okung's game isn't perfect, but he's the one tackle prospect this year you can count on to step in on the left side and start from day one.
3. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (6'3", 223). I suspect I'll get flayed by some for this one; whatever. At least hear me out for a moment. I think Sam Bradford has a better chance to have a sustained career as an NFL starting quarterback than Clausen does. Clausen is a better fit for Buffalo because he's got a (slightly) better arm, a firmer grasp of a pro-style offense, and a tougher, grittier on-field personality than his Oklahoma counterpart. There's absolutely no question that Clausen is the most pro-ready quarterback available this year. Given what has transpired in Cleveland this past week, it seems almost certain that Clausen, too, won't last until the ninth overall pick. If he's there, however, it's my personal belief that Buddy Nix would be mad to pass on him.
4. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee (6'2", 327). As far as big-bodied defensive tackles go, Williams is without question the best available this year. Folks are quick to pigeon-hole him as purely a 3-4 nose tackle, however, and that's not true - do that to Terrence Cody, but not this kid. Williams is a very good athlete for someone his size, and while his capability to man the nose in a 3-4 will do wonders for his draft stock, he's done enough on the field to be an excellent addition for a 4-3 team as well. In Buffalo, where the team is switching to the 3-4 defense, Williams would be the starting nose tackle. The real value to Williams, however, is that if the Bills want to mix things up by lining up Kyle Williams at nose tackle or switching to a 4-3 look, Williams is versatile enough that he could stay on the field in those situations.
5. Bryan Bulaga, LT/RT, Iowa (6'5", 314). I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I'm nowhere near convinced that Bulaga can play left tackle in the NFL. People poo poo his short arms, but Bulaga is not a tremendous athlete; add those two factors together, and you get a guy that will struggle with speed rushers at the next level. It's for that reason that many teams view Bulaga exclusively as a right tackle prospect; those teams do not have the desperate need for tackle talent that Buffalo does. Where Bulaga rates above just about every other 2010 NFL Draft prospect, however, is his playing style, his attitude, and his football intelligence; he's top-notch in all three areas, and folks in Buffalo would love him for it. In Buffalo, he'd start out on the left side, and teamed with Andy Levitre and Eric Wood, Bills fans would fall in love with the blue-collar mentality of its young star offensive linemen. Bulaga may be slightly overrated, but there's little question he'd be a great fit selection for the Bills.
Got a name you wish had been considered? We'd love to hear about him. Have anything extra to add about the names on the list? Have at it. These posts have always been interesting launching points for draft discussions, and I look forward to the conversation on this one as well.
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Good Post Brian
Bulaga has the same arm span as Jake Long, so he could play LT. Now, I am not sure if he is naturally as athletic as Jake Long but at worst you would have one of the best RT in the game on your team and that wouldn’t bother me one bit.
Unfortunately your top 3 guys won’t fall to us but you never know what will happen on draft day.
Im not big on Clausen or Bradford so I won’t be disappointed if they are taken before our pick. I like Brown and Tebow better. However, I really think we should get Brady Quinn and use him for a year or two while we wait for a better QB prospect to come along (that is if Quinn can’t cut it, which I think he can make it in this league).
If you recall, a lot of scouts were considering Long as purely a RT as well.
I think Long is a much, much better prospect than Bulaga. Better footwork, more polished game overall.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I partially agree
I definitely think that was a better prospect, but I think it comes down to athleticism as opposed to technique. The word I think I think of when it comes to a lot Bulaga’s physical abilities is “adequate” (except maybe his punch). Long was and is underrated as an athlete.
by PozDispenser on Mar 12, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well, no, it’s not partial agreement. It’s complete agreement. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty close to
I think that Bulaga and Long aren’t far apart when it comes to the footwork/technique side. Certainly I think we’re projecting them as pros the same way.
by PozDispenser on Mar 12, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
lol
jake longs wing span is a foot longer if not better then his. i agree about brady. i think they should draft skeelton he is big moblie and if u watched him throw in his combine workouts the guys arm is great. very joe flacco like.
A foot longer wingspan?
I really hope you aren’t serious.
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If we can/could get Okung
I’d probably run naked down the street screaming. And I mean that in a good way.
I’ll be watching the North Carolina news websights if we draft Okung ;-)
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha
Yea, you gotta do that. it’ll be like old school. lol
You mean it will be like Old School.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I completely agree with everything you said on this list – including Clausen. My question is, is there any 3-4 DE that you see being close to these 5? I mean NT is a need, but right now we only have 1 starting 3-4 DE (Stroud)
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First – I think Spencer Johnson could surprise as a 3-4 end.
There are a lot of really solid 3-4 DE prospects available this year. Penn State’s Jared Odrick is probably second-best in that area, though, and right now I have him as prospect No. 23 on my big board. He’d be a great fit here as well.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I also like Johnson (TWSS), but when you look at it, that’s only two players – one who might do well, and the other on the wanning side of his career…
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No, you’re right – DE is a need. But we definitely have two starting ends. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Just for the record, I’ve got 8 3-4 DEs in my Top 100.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh – I have heard it’s pretty deep, I just haven’t done any research.
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I gotta say that this is one of the deepest drafts from rounds 2-7, in the past decade.
At least I’ve heard that from the “experts”
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 12, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not inaccurate. It’s a great year to trade out of the Top 10-15 picks.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on Johnson. I really think that he’s more suited for the 3-4 than the 4-3. I see him having a Jarvis Green effect on our D.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Lamarr Houston is better than Odrick
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 12, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree if we’re talking about fitting into a 3-4. I really like Houston, but I think his talents are somewhat wasted if he’s not in a 4-3.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I think he’s a solid 2nd round prospect for 4-3 teams, but more of a 3rd-4th round guy for teams that want him to play two gaps. Houston has the length and power to play in a 3-4, but he’s a better fit as a penetrator.
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Alex Carrington is my favorite 3-4 DE prospect in this draft.
But 9is way to high for him. I think Carlos Dunlap could learn to play 3-4 DE as well. He’s definetly got the size and strength for it.
I, on the other hand, don’t think Dunlap can play the 5-tech. No motor, soft game, won’t necessitate two blockers. He’s got elite potential as a 4-3 end, but his career outlook is bleak, to me, if he’s drafted by a 3-4 team.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Then there is the guy who is REALLY getting hammered: Carlos Dunlap. Now unlike Haden, Dunlap had a good 40 time. So what’s the problem? Some refer to him as “too skinny.” 6’6", 290 lbs. Yeah, right. Others are hammering him for defering most of the combine workouts until his pro day, calling him “lazy.” Never mind the fact that TONS of prospects do the same. Basically, the story line of “Carlos Dunlap character issues” was pre-fitted because of his DUI arrest and suspension, and the media is finding and reporting anything and everything that goes into it. Like the talk about how his “effort was inconsistent.” These folks know full well that not all DEs are “high motor” guys, and that the bigger DEs generally aren’t. How about the fact that Dunlap dominated offensive lines and had 77 tackles and 19 sacks despite playing beside DTs that continually let the Gators down?
I think he can. I’ve never saw that lack of effort thing fromDunlapin any of the florida ames I saw. And I’m not comfortable trying to project a players heart, before they play a down inthe NFL.
Heres a linky to the article btw : http://bleacherreport.com/articles/357235-dont-believe-the-joe-haden-and-carlos-dunlap-combine-bashers
First: Dunlap weighed in at 277 at the Combine. He’s not skinny, but he’s not 290, either.
These folks know full well that not all DEs are "high motor" guys, and that the bigger DEs generally aren’t.
Why does that excuse it?
I’m not really bashing Dunlap at all. When I say “soft game,” I mean purely that he doesn’t have the motor to play in a 3-4. 3-4 ends do different things than 4-3 ends. They constantly deal with two blockers. They’re gap controllers, and they rarely rush the passer. That’s the exact opposite of Dunlap’s M.O., and I think any team drafting him into a 3-4 will be completely wasting his talents.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
He reminds me of Calais Campbell
Another guy with the exact same knocks on him, who’s doing alright as a DE in the Cardinals defence.
The Cards run a very specific form of the 3-4, though. They choose lighter, quicker linemen and it’s predominantly a one-gap scheme. Dunlap would do well in Arizona. He would flounder in a traditional 3-4.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wait
I have Campbell at 290 pounds as well. Anyone have a different weight on him? I just thought I’d check.
You prolly got his program weight, not the actual Combine weight.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 12, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Campbell is listed at 290. Dunlap isn’t.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I see every Card games and Calais is definitely 290, he is also taller I believe then Dunlap, and uses his long arms to just control the line – and I have never seen him take any plays off – high motor in my opinion
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Maybe that sig should say Cuse BBall 2010 : Regular BE Champs, ha jk
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 12, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
agree
dunlap i feel has bust written all over him as a 4-3 DE much less a 3-4 end.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 12, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I, on the other hand, do not. He was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overhyped entering the year, that’s all.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Out of curiousity though Brian
Where doyou have Alex Carrington ranked?
Second-round prospect. #6 3-4 DE.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
over-hyped means
he will get drafted waaaaay too high, and therefore be a bust. if he was drafted in like the third, theres not much he could do to be considered a bust…. i hold that word for 1st round picks….
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 12, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
He already
played in 3 down sets probably 75% of the time at FL… and was excellent at stopping the run. He was only an inconsistent pass rusher. They even lined him up at DT sometimes… I disagree
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 12, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
The Bills lined up Chris Kelsay at DT sometimes, too. That’s fairly irrelevant.
Florida’s defense is unique, and as such, it’s all about projection with its defenders. I think Dunlap clearly is a better fit in a 4-3, and if a 3-4 team takes him, I’d rather see him get a shot at OLB than DE.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Tyson Alualu
He is my favorite 3-4 DE. Has a non-stop motor and has a knack for batting down passes. 7.5 sacks last season palying the 3-4 DE. Perfect fit in the 2nd-3rd round.
by The Irishman on Mar 12, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
CAL fan here...I watched him a lot
Alualu dominated games at times last year out of the end position. He was completely unblockable sometimes…thre would be stretches of plays where the QB would have to roll out every play for an entire series cuz Alualu consistently collapsed the pocket…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a favorite of mine, as well. Second-round grade.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I was gonna say that for me, no Carlos Dunlap.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 12, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I really, really, really, agree....
on Carrington… Holding out hope he’s a possible in the second… BPA all the way, and if we were to get him in the second, I’d join the Rumblers dancing in the street… Course I’d have to be drinking heavily first….
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by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t really complain about the wish list, but I would be as happy or more with Rodger Saffold (who has all the good qualities of Bulaga and is a better athlete) and Rob Gronkowski (if fan appreciation is a factor no one is going to top him).
I like Saffold, but this is a Top 5 list, and Saffold’s a second-round prospect. :)
As for Gronkowski – he’s been one of my favorites for a while now. I think he’s going to be an outstanding pro.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not worth nit-picking, but I thought this was a wish list that took no notice of where a player was likely to be drafted. My point is that, for me, Saffold is the second-best OT in the draft in terms of the Bills’ needs after Okung and a shade better than Bulaga, so if Bulaga can be considered for the list I’m arguing Saffold should be too.
Another way to put that is that I’m trying to shake up people’s opinions about the OT’s we will be choosing among (although I suppose a lot of folks would say that my opinion is the one that needs shaking up).
Oh. Well, then we’ll have to agree to disagree, because I don’t think Saffold is very close to Bulaga.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Out of curiosity why do you think that? Saffold seems clearly more athletic, with very good feet, to the point where he can easily handle LT. And he has a lot of experience at the position, as well as a successful record in the Big Ten. It’s hard to think of a prospect more durable (which is pretty important) and he brings the same lunch-pail mentality as Bulaga. They are also roughly the same size and strength so far as I can tell. They look very similar to my eye, so I’m wondering what you see as Bulaga’s comparative advantages.
Could it be character Vs Popular Opinion
I keep remembering Buddy’s quote that when he is done interviewing a potential draft pick he wants to remember what the guy’s breath smelled like. That might turn some of you on but to me it says that popular opinion is way down the list when it comes to drafting and I will also assume that the same is true when it comes to signing FA’s.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
I don’t think Saffold is clearly more athletic, and I think Bulaga’s upside is higher. Bulaga’s in the 15-25 area for me. Saffold’s in the 30-40 area.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
The best part about Gronkowski, is he’s from Western New York but he played for Arizona (where I live now), so yeah, that combination for me can’t be topped…
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by mob16151 on Mar 12, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or Stupar.
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sigh..it’s too late to start coming up with Stupar catchphrases isn’t it?
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
uh no
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 15, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Trent Williams
I have to think he was close to Bulaga. What tipped the balance in Bulaga’s favor for you Brian?
It’s a fit article. Williams would fit, too, but Bulaga would get a hero’s welcome in Western New York. Buffalo might even have a marketing angle with Bulaga, Wood and Levitre, as mentioned in the article.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
I think Williams could ultimately be a better player, but I would honestly be pretty excited about Bulaga.
by PozDispenser on Mar 12, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Marketing and hero’s welcome? Is it a social fit or a team-need fit? I’m surprised to see Bulaga over Williams. All the tangibles are in Williams favor. Bulaga strikes me as another high-motor over-achiever. While commendable, it doesn’t make up for the lack of athleticism and arm length. At least Davis is nowhere to be found, literally :-)
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All the tangibles are in Williams favor.
Uh, no. The intangibles are most definitely in Bulaga’s favor. The pure talent is in Williams’ favor.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, didn’t you just agree? I said tangibles are in Williams favor. You know, things you can actually measure and quantify. I agree the intangibles are in Bulaga’s favor.
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Haha, I guess I did. Read it as intangibles, because who the hell uses the word “tangibles”? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I felt like using it since, when it comes to discussion of players around here, intangibles is by far the most overused word.
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That I don’t disagree with.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do they give +1’s in group therapy?
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 13, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not "Potential"
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by UZ on Mar 12, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think he
will end up being the best LT when it is all said and done.
by The Irishman on Mar 12, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
for my first post
hy everybody and thank you for this wonderful work.it’s cool to read you guys.my question is: with a good year for NT and OL, if we trade down ( around the 16th spot), who will be in this list? yes i hope a trade down for an extra 2nd because of our “shy” work on FA
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Well, the list wouldn’t change, because more than half of them won’t be available at 9, anyway.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
well
sure that the first three names won’t be ther at 9, but every year we have good surprises
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Indeed!
Welcome to the blog, btw. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's true.
Someone unexpected always slides a few pegs. Hopefully that someone fits a need for us – or is good trade bait for our slot ay 9.
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Anoher guy I'd really like the Bill's to take a look at in the draft
Is Jeff Owens DT Georgia. I think he’d be a decent nose tackle canidate in the third. Same size as Kyle William’s but much, much stronger.
Playing nose tackle is not about strength. Obviously it’s a factor. You need to be able to occupy two blockers, though, and Owens is more of a penetrator than anything else.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Kyle Williams is a penetrator. He’s not a two-gapper.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hence why he’d only really be suited for NT duties on pasing downs. But I see him starting at DE for the rest of the time. I see Kyle taking about 80% of total snap on the D.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
TWSS
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
It’s rampant in this thread today. I decided to curb my use of it. It’s endless fun, but I must resist!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
On Fridays, I just like to scroll through the comments and pepper it in liberally. It’s how I spend my Friday afternoons at work.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
Yeah...
How can you not TWSS to this?
Kyle Williams is a penetrator. He’s not a two-gapper.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
We're 2 for 2....
But I’m admittedly, a Dawgs fan… But I truly believe that Owens could develop into a very good NT in either the 1 or 2 gap system….
I agree with you cinga
And IMO Owens has the frame toput on an extra 10 or 12 pounds which would put him up around 320. PlusI love the way he anchors. To me a guy like Oghabaase is a penetrator far more so than Owens. Heck even the other dawgs DT was more of a penetrator type than Owens.
Oghobaase is more of a 3-4 end, anyway.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Heck even the other dawgs DT was more of a penetrator type than Owens.
Geno Atkins. Man I love google when you have a brain freeze.
Weston is one...
of my “sleeper” picks this draft… I like him as good fit for DE in a 3-4 more than a NT….
And yes, Atkins is definitely more of a penetrator than Owens is.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
the fact that "penetrator" is one of the top 5 most used words on this blog now
is my favorite reason for the switch to the 3-4…
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
by JPH on Mar 12, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would rather the Bills take Bradford over Clausen.
Bradford being the possible #1 pick in the entire draft (may have been last year too if he choose to come out) and breaking records at Oklahoma, I think it’s a no brainer.
You give some ok reasons for liking Clausen better (slightly better arm, firmer grasp of pro-style offense, tougher personality), and I guess I agree with most of that, but I think your over-thinking it. Don’t overthink it with QB. Just take the better player. That’s my philosophy.
It just seems to me like you have to try too hard to make those points….like tougher personality. Are we sure Bradford doesn’t have a gritty personality? How do we know this?
I mean, does tougher, grittier personality really compare to:
- 50 td passes in a season.
- Bradford is college football’s all-time most efficient passer and holds the Oklahoma career marks for career passing yards, season passing yards, season touchdown passes, career completion percentage, season completion percentage….
Again, don’t overthink it. Just do the right thing and get Bradford.
As I said – I have Bradford rated higher. This is a fit article.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Then I have to ask: If your running the Bills, do you take Clausin over Bradford because he "fits" better?
by StroudFanClub on Mar 12, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
What's a good example of a team being better off
with a lesser QB that “fits” the team better? Is there anybody with less talent, skill, ect than Peyton Manning that you would rather have play here than him?
by StroudFanClub on Mar 12, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a “take the best guy” guy. Between the two, I take Bradford, because I think he could get it done in Buffalo.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Same here. Okay, so "best fit" doesn't have to mean "will be the better player if choosen by Bills"
Just that this player would fit the team more.
by StroudFanClub on Mar 12, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Bradford
Stats are not the only thing to look at. He played in the Shotgun for his whole college career. If stats were the biggest thing to go by Graham Harrell would be in the NFL and so would Timmy Chang
the gridiron is littered with the corpses of huge-statline spread qb’s that didn’t stand a chance in the nfl. Think of the guys that are having trouble even making it as third stringers, like the aforementioned harrell and colt brennan.
by quantumuprising on Mar 12, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Then why are people so high on Bradford, but not the same with Tebow? Throw out (pun intended) his throwing motion, and Tebow’s a MUCH better prospect than Bradford. Draft experts aren’t coaches and don’t run franchises.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
No he isn't...not IMO
Bradford looks soft, but he can make every throw with accruacy and touch and has shown that he can read defenses much better than Tebow. Not every scout even thinks Tebow will be in the league in a few years. Saying that if you got rid of the throwing motion, Tebow is a better prospect is not a good way to compare players. What are you going to throw away that is negative from Bradfords concerns? If you take away Bradfords lack of athleticsm, he would be a great running QB? I mean, you simply can’t do that. Tebow can’t throw a football without it hitting the ground or getting smacked out of his hands (an exaggeration, I know), he has valid concerns and risks, just like Bradford does. Please dont gloss over them so easily. Compare them with the realities involved.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
but not the same with Tebow?
Oh how I WISH people weren’t so high on tebow
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by UZ on Mar 12, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
we call brian ‘Bri’ now? How cute…
ive been away too long.
...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 15, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Williams with our pick…unless one of the top 2 maybe 3 LTs fall to us. I like Tebow also but how come no one is mentioning us picking up a QB in the later rounds?? LeFevre would be a great fit for us and could be the starter next year. I like Brohm and think he should be given a shot…but who knows.
Good peice again this year Brian.
I basicly agree with the fits. And if I comprhend the article correctly your saying that Suh is our best fit, but Williams is our best fit that is most likely to be available to us. And again I agree.
As for Bulaga, I still really like him, but Trent Williams is really growing on me. Williams might not be as well rounded as Bulaga, but has a higher sealing and is almost a safer pick than Bulaga.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions
Trent Williams.
He struggled at times playing LT while Bulaga didn’t in college except during the thyroid thing. In my opinion, polish, results, football IQ, and technique, trump upside and long arms.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 12, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Same here, thats why I like Bulaga so much. Just saying that if he’s gone, Williams would be a good consolation prize.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 14, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Dan Williams is black!?! I had a much different mental picture in my brain for some reason.
I am wondering if the Bills draft Bulaga with the first pick and a guy like Saffold in the second. Who would be playing RT and LT. I would throw Bulaga on the right and Saffold on the left. (And if this is the case, I have a feeling Buffalo’s O-line in 2 years is going to be top 3 in the country)
Dan Williams is black!?! I had a much different mental picture in my brain for some reason.
I lol’d at that.
I dont want to sound racist but for some reason a dude named Dan Williams playing out of Tennessee conjures visions of a massively corn fed country bumpkin with a bottle of whiskey at the top of his locker
In Tennessee...
Everyone, regardless of race/gender has a bottle of JD in their cupboard, and another in the drawer, and one in the bathroom, and…..
Anyone with a discerning palate for scotch whiskey, has a bottle of JD on hand…in every color.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
How does JD relate to scotch whisky ?
Pretty sure Tennessee whisky and scotch whisky have little in common taste wise.
Or did I miss something funny ?
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Got me, I don’t drink the stuff. I thought it was scotch whiskey until just now. I just know people who love whiskey love JD.
Me, I’m a beer and port snob.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
JD is Tennessee Whiskey or sour-mash whiskey
it has something to do with the maple charcoal used in the aging process…
Scotch-Whiskey has a defined process and it must come from Scotland.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Unrec. Anyone with a discerning palate for whiskey (or whisky) chooses to not drink American-made whiskey and bourbons.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
hah. Okay. I have taste for the stuff. It all tastes like rubbing alochol smells to me. I have a really fancy bottle of scotch that was gifted to me. REALLY fancy. I’ve had it years, with no intention of ever opening it! I feel a tad bad.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
*no taste
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
oh come on - you've got to drink it some time !
No probs, I too can drink either, but in recent years have gone from mostly scotch to now mostly bourbon. Still like a nice scotch though – Dimple is a nice one. Also have some 30 year old single malts from my last trip to the Scottish highlands – barrel strength whisky too. Nice stuff, but you get flogged very quickly on it !
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Nah, I just can’t drink the bourbons or JD. Don’t like the taste of them and they usually give me headaches and hangovers. Just too sweet I suppose.
I love single malt – Glenlivet or Macallan. But blended does just fine too: Johnnie Walker or Dewar’s. And I’m not exclusive to Scotch either. I most often drink Jameson’s or Crown because I can get them cheaper.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
I think at the time I was
after a sweeter drink.
But I still enjoy some nice single malts – even the odd nice blend like Dimple of Glenfiddich in a pinch.
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I feel a tad bad.
If you feel bad for not opening it, feel free to send it my way. =)
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
It’s 2 bottles: Glen Garioch and Bowmore. I don’t know what reserve either are.
Wow, tangent-tacular.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I am finding it funny that a mental image I’ve had about a football player has brought us to the conclusion that you own two bottles of fancy scotch.
The power of tangents, and the doldrums that one faces during a Friday at work.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
The question is
When you go home tonight are you going to take a second look at those bottles?
Especially knowing that there are some people out there that would love to crack that thing open for a slug.
Soft
More a Jills fan if we won’t crack those open :-)
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I laughed too…sounded like a brain fart…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I like:
1. Bradford
2. Clausen
3. Suh
4. Okung
5. Cody
I still don’t recall Dan Williams being all that impressive in college.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
I really, really like Cody, too. Rating them purely as 3-4 nose tackles, Cody is clearly superior. I just like schematic versatility, and Williams offers it. He had a really solid senior year.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
quick opinion question
If it’s true that one of Cody’s red flags is that he requires a lot of snaps off (presumably due to his size) do you feel he’d make an interesting compliment for Kyle Williams in tandem at NT if it’s true that Buffalo isn’t shopping him…I would assume Williams’ lack of prototypical size for the position would require plenty of snaps off as well. I could envision always having a fresh NT on the field who can make plays.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
Yeah, I think that’d work beautifully. Cody is an incredibly dominant run defender, which would be where Williams would struggle were he the every-down NT. But Cody would do absolutely nothing for you on passing downs from that position, whereas Williams would. The trick would be staying in down/distance situations where opponents can’t just no-huddle to keep Williams off the field on third downs.
That’s why I like Dan Williams. He can give you a pass rush, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
With Cody losing 35 pounds
Down from 370 to mid 330’s now. I wonder if that dynamic changes at all. IE Maybe he could offer a slightly better rush now than previous (No, I’m not going to confuse his rush with Terrell Suggs any time soon – just saying it COULD be a tad better with his lighter weight)
Flip side is will it effect his dominance in the run game ?
Side note – how does a fella that big only put up 22 bench reps at his pro day ?
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Not sure where you heard mid 330s. Cody weighed in at 349 at Alabama’s pro day, which was earlier this week.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Gil Brandts initial report on the day.
Seeing a variety of weights listed from his pro day now that I look – many around 348 and 349.
So, same question but replace 30 pounds with 22 pounds :)
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Cody’s one of the slowest prospects available at any position this year, including kickers. Not particularly quick. Pass rushing ability isn’t contingent on weight, it’s contingent on athleticism, and Cody doesn’t have much of that. He does, however, have a terrific motor.
As far as the bench goes, dude’s got incredibly long arms. The longer the arms, the more difficult it is to put up huge bench numbers.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Arms
Yep, it doesn’t help – just 22 seemed low for him.
Thanks for the answer re pass rush – didn’t think he’d be explosive -just wondered if the slimmer build might help him “a fraction”
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I would venture to say that bench presses as far as specific to player demand really only matters with Offensive linemen. While pass blocking it is vital to rely on being strong while moving backward or in a fixed position. D-Linemen and Cody in particular have an advantage as they are moving forward and driving with their legs. Thus while the strength and power generated from those muscles are important for shedding the blocker, it is also less important for a push to collapse the pocket.
Good info
I guess , to put it crudely, if you’re a 350 pounds lump moving forward at speed (ie Cody) – it doesn’t matter so much how strong you are as the OL has to be the one to stop him ?
That makes sense.
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I think Cody could provide a pass rush...
simply by collapsing the C right back into the QB, like what every NT we faced did to Fowler/Preston.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Fowler was brutal.
He folded up constantly on a good bull rush.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 12, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, say what you want about last year’s line, but at least he wasn’t on it.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 13, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
If I were in charge of the war room on draft day and Cody was available to me in the 2nd. I would have an extremely tough time deciding on whether or not to pass on him.
Main question being his ability to control himself in the cafeteria of all places. I would just be very afraid a guy like that could ruin his career for not having enough self discipline.
Best fits for Rumblings mentality...
Bulaga… Tough, blue collar guy….
Bryant… Got a lot to prove, like the Bills
McClain…Yeah, we have Poz and Mitchell, but need his lockeroom presence….
Weatherspoon… Better fit to a 4-3, but see McClain
Tebow… Ya know I hated typing that… Leadership again
Owens… A punch you in the mouth type
Spikes… Forget the mouth, how ‘bout the eyes….
Cody… Wouldn’t ya like to pound a few cold ones with him???
Roberts.. Small school, elite potential (anyone remember another Andre?)
Weston, Hardy… My picks for make or break type sleepers….
Cody
I’d be scared to drink at a bar with Cody – after a few when his vision got skewed he might mistake you for a french fry or Burger – then you’ve got trouble !!!
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Is there any way that the bills would draft the best OT at 9 and then possibly trade up into the bottom half of the first round to take Odrick or Price for the DL
I really don’t think they’ll do any trading up – unless they’ve traded down first. Nix knows this is a deep class, and he’d do well to get as many picks as he can in rounds 2 and 3.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, IMO...the ideal situation is trading down to...
14 with Seattle if Claussen is still there at 9 (or the Niners if they wanted Spiller) and then take the top OT on the board and then go after Cody in the second…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Have already had a few requests for my top five factoring in who is (more) likely to be available. Here they are.
Dez Bryant
Dan Williams
Bryan Bulaga
Trent Williams
Anthony Davis
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:15 PM EST reply actions
Wow, Dez Bryant? How many people revolt against the team for taking him at #9?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
It would be tough to pass on Bryant – no 1 WR’s dont grow on trees (We really have not had a dominant one since Moulds). I think he could make an impact as a rookie like Crabtree did – just hopefully minus the holdout rubbish. That shouldn’t be an issue unless Al Davis takes Golden Tate at 8 :-)
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I wouldn't
Bryant fit’s that gamechanger mold. And IMO the Bil’s fist round pick in every draft should be a game changer.
I wouldn’t be upset. Though I might rather they take C.J. Spiller.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
In that case, I’d be none too pleased.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 13, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t. I mean sure it isn’t as big of a need at OT, QB or NT, but Bryant is a STUD. He will be a fantastic WR for years to come. I would not be disapointed what so ever if we drafted him.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, Dez Bryant? How many people revolt against the team for taking him at #9?
I surely would.
No sure QB to throw to him and a very questionable line to protect a QB, There is NO way I would take Dez at #9.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 12, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
But you’ve got to look past this season with that first round pick. Not having a QB to throw the ball to your first round pick is kind of a circular argument. Because if you take a QB, then he’s got no line to block for him and mediocre weapons to throw to. And if you take a LT, then he doesn’t have a QB worth protecting. You could make that argument for any offensive position.
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And if you take a LT, then he doesn’t have a QB worth protecting. You could make that argument for any offensive position.
Not with LT, we definitely have RBs worth opening up holes for.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 14, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think a lot of people would revolt until around July, when they see him in camp. He’s scary good.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 13, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well, in that particular top five, unequivocally yes.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly after everything I've read/heard about Davis
I’d much rather have Charles Brown, then Davis.
As much as I like Charles Brown, there is no tackle more singularly talented in this draft class than Anthony Davis.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Spot on
He really does have all the tools to be ELITE (Davis) ! OK, well maybe not character – but everything physical – that’s for sure !
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Mmm, no, I don’t think he has the tools to be elite. I think he has all the tools to be an above average NFL left tackle. If he can get his head on straight.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Not in the least.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Williams had 40-50 pounds on Davis coming in, and weight has not been an issue for Davis for quite some time now.
Davis is a much, much better athlete than Williams ever was. Hence his being a LT prospect. Williams was never a LT prospect.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
With good reason. Just don’t need to take it to the Big Mike extreme. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Really
What I saw during his games made him look like he had the talent to be elite.
So you don’t think any of the tackles in this class have the tools to be elite ?
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I guess it depends on what you mean by elite. There are no blue-chip, can’t-miss prospects this year. All have flaws. Okung is close to a sure thing, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
By Elite
I mean a top 3 to top 5 in the NFL after a few seasons. A guy who can dominate opponents.
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Then no, I don’t think any of these guys are that type of player.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
If none of them have the tool's to be elite in 3 years
Then why on earth would we even consider taking one of them in the Top 10.
I’ve been saying all along that there aren’t many of those types of players available this year. Not a ton of blue-chippers. It’s a deep class if you’re looking to plug holes, as there are a TON of future starters in this class. In terms of elite talent, though, as Will defined it above, I think we’re talking about Suh, McCoy and Berry.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I guess though - if you don't view any of them as elite
Why not try to grab one of the other “solid starters” in round 2. Brown, etc Or of course the other option is trade down in round 1 then grab one.
I just think if you cant get a guy who’ll be top 3 or top 5 at his position(within a few seasons) at 9 then you try to trade down.
Only exception would be QB – where you’d take a guy who could become top 10
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I mentioned above that it’s a great year to (try to) trade down if you’re a Top 10-15 team. This would be why.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Missed that bit
You sir are indeed a genius then. (Not sarcastic either !) I’d love us to get down from 9 and gather extra picks. Everyone says get an extra 2nd – but in this draft I’d rather get a 3rd and a 4th – there appears to be good value through to even round 5 in this draft.
I think due to our lack of FA activity it would be great if we acquired 11 or 12 picks – even if a lot of them are R4 or later. We are in a state of needing depth and bodies for the 3-4. Starters and studs can be added once the initial (serviceable) bodies are in place
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Yes I would love that the more pick the better.
Around the number you said, 10 would be nice. Have they awarded the compentasoty picks yet? Did we finally get one.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 12, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
We don't qualify this year
Pretty sure we did not have a net loss of FA’s. Problem was the guys who left were cut – not FA’s. So they don’t count. Then we signed Hang, Owens etc.
I just dont see how we could possible qualify for one – unless it’s one of those “left over” picks at the end of the 7th round. Even then they usually go to teams with a net FA loss of players with little value.
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If only they gave them out for guys ending up on IR instead.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 13, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they won’t get one this year. They lost the two centers and Losman and signed TO, Hang and Fitz.
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Would you be opposed to picking Berry then?
BPA and all…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 12, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
No, I wouldn’t. I get the feeling that most Bills fans would.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I don’t think there’s a single position (outside of kickers) that BPA wouldn’t work for. We don’t have a single elite player.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 13, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree 100% with Brain
This class is going to be one of the deepest draft in almost 20 years, I’ve heard many draft “experts” say this and from how it seems they’re right. Maybe the only extremly talented position is DT with blue-chippers in Suh and McCoy (then think of all the quality DT prospects after them). Then it seems positions like OT, DE, S, WR and IMO QB just are extremely deep and can find good players in later rounds more then in past drafts. That’s how I feel about the draft, I’m almost more pumped for the 2nd and 3rd days of the draft than the first day, which is something different.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 12, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Who is this Brain you speak of?
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh. Been dealing with that my whole life.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 13, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Joe P. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
You’d have scored more points if you’d linked to a) Krang or b) Brain from Pinky and the Brain.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 14, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Great point
If none of them can be a top 5 LT or top 3 RT within 3 seasons then they are not worthy of a top 10 selection IMO.
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If he can get his head on straight.
Harder said than done.
If he doesn’t have his head screwed on straight now, It will be much harder after the signing bonus. I wouldn’t touch Davis with a 10 foot pole in the 1st round at this point.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 12, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops.
Should have said Easier said than done.
If Anthony Davis can’t show up for his pro day, he is not first round material no matter what his upside, I know many people who didn’t get their heads screwed on straight till about 30. including myself, having a bundle of cash makes it even harder, I’ll pass on Anthony Davis in the first round.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 12, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Tons of people were saying the same thing about Andre Smith last year. He went #6 to Cincinnati. In the end, talent almost always wins out, as it should.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Andre Smith
Actually showed up for his pro day.
Anthony Davis didn’t, couple that with Andre Smith’s performance in year 1, I think the lack of work ethic really sticks with Davis and drops him hard. If he can’t get up for a pro day with big money at stake on his draft position, how committed is he to being the best player he can be in the NFL?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 14, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Andre Smith flaked out at the combine though. Pretty similiar situations actually.
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Smith also had considerably bigger weight issues than Davis has ever had.
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I have to agree....
but then, long ago I posted my thoughts on him…..Bust written all over this chap I’m afraid…
Poslunsky?
Ha I don’t remember that one!
I miss Dock Ellis. Hope he can come back again someday.
The best fits are any potential long term starters at LT, NT, OLB, DE, WR and of course QB!
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by Kurupt on Mar 12, 2010 3:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So, to get to #9
You have these five, plus Bradford and McCoy, who will likely go before us even if they’re not good fits for us.
Anybody got two more? Berry and Haden?
My Top 9: Suh, McCoy, Berry, Bradford, Spiller, Bryant, Okung, Haden, McClain.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Question for Brian
I was curious to see Spiller on your list. I think he will be a productive pro, but can you elaborate on having him in your top 7? Thanks…
This is a Top 5, and Spiller didn’t make the list…
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
maybe Haden
Maybe McClain, or maybe one of the DE’s – Morgan, Pierre, also maybe spiller
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Good one. Seriously though, as poor as his play has been on the field, I wouldn’t wish that on Trent. Those Browns fans would eat him alive.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 13, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Different guy running the FO. I don’t think he cares what school Brady Quinn played at.
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Great write-up Brian...
OT is my priority, any of the top three would make me happy with the first pick, but………..
I hope Buddy finds someone to trade down with and pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd. So sad, soooo many holes.
IF that’s the case, we could pick up Cody in the second. I really like him for our future NT. If not, I really like this guy in around the 4th or so: Torrell Troup, Height: 6-3, Weight: 314, College: UCF. Been doing a lot of reading on him, and he is a run plugger who could fit right in immediatly into a rotation at NT. Maybe more.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 12, 2010 7:26 PM EST reply actions
Well I am new here but...
…didn’t the author of this entry just spend the first three paragraphs discrediting his scouting skills by listing all the busts he claimed were “best fits”???
Actually, if the Bills selected Okoye over Whitner or Raji over Maybin
They would be in alot better shape right now. Either one of those guys would have been at the very least a starter at nose tackle, a crucial position in the 3-4 that we are currently looking for. And while neither is lighting the NFL on fire, Okoye is still only 22 years old and Raji was only a rookie last year.
So I would say the only true bust there is Gholston. And if you want to get technical, the Bills picking Gholston would be “best fit”…..he’d fit right in with all the other 1st rounders not contributing! (Losman, McCargo…)
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by StroudFanClub on Mar 12, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see how we could have drafted Amobi Okoye over Whitner, When Whitner was already on the team for a year since we drafted Whitner in 2006. Ngata is the one we should have drafted in 2006.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 12, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Amd just so you know, here was my #1 wish picks.
2006 Haloti Ngata
2007 Patrick Willis
2008 Ryan Clady
2009 Michael Oher
2010 Bryan Bulaga though Okung has enough polish to take him over Bulaga, I think there is zero chance he makes it to where we pick.
Yes I want to build the lines mostly first on both sides of the ball. Would have loved Patrick Willis, if he wasn’t snatched up the pick before we made ours, that is my biggest fear for this draft is Bulaga will be off the board when we pick.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 12, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Raji was also off the board when the Bills picked last year....
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by StroudFanClub on Mar 13, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Okoye was a 2007 draftee. Whitner was 2006. Okoye was also off the board before Marshawn Lynch was in 2007.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Well, this should be fun. Nice username.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, and I called it above the fold.
Yeah. I got off to a rocky start in this feature. You don’t need to tell me that, folks, though I don’t doubt a few of you will bring it up.
:)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, it was one of the comments I found most interesting...
How things change!
Dock Ellis: A starting line of Schobel, McCargo, Carriker and Kelsay = me drooling, and the offense we face fooling. Massive Penetration!
Good article Brian
I think these are the top-notch prospects for sure. I’d be thrilled with 1-3 and very pleased with 4 or 5.
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My top 5.
If we could have anyone like the premise of this article.
Suh – have to agree here, Bruce Smith potential with his head screwed on straighter than Bruce’s when we drafted him/
Okung – Also have to agree, won’t fall to us at 9, but has enough polish and upside where we would be nuts not to take him at 9 if available.
Bulaga – The most realistic choice, though no guarantee, He would fot in Buffalo like a glove.
Dan Williams – Now we are getting into riskier territory, could be a one year wonder, could be solid, I would take him over Trent Williams.
Sam Bradford – Don’t like the arm strength, do like the timing and anticipation.Bradford gets the nod for me, because he has better anticipation and timing than Clausen, Clausen’s long ball is nothing to write home about like Bradford, but Bradford is the superior choice for a system like the West Coast offense where timing and anticipation is at a premium, where long passing TDs come from YAC. I’m not sold Clausen is a vertical QB and in a WCO, I think Bradford gets the nod/
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 13, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions
I cringe hard when I hear “Bruce Smith potential” in relation to Suh, and believe me, you’re not the first to say it. They’re not similar player types. Suh won’t be a dominant sack artist in the NFL. He can be dominant, but they’re just not going to be asked to do the same things.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Is there a current or past NFL player that you would compare him to? I know comparisons are usually inaccurate and don’t do justice to either player, but I’m curious.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 13, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I watched Bruce from the beginning.
I think at DE in a 3-4 the comparisons are justified. Just curious Brian? How old were you when Bruce Smith was a rookie?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 14, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
As a college pass rusher, Smith had like 50 career college sacks. They are completely different types of players. Didn’t Bruce have like 20 sacks one year? Does Suh even have more than that for his entire college career? Smith lined up at DE in college and Suh lined up inside. What exactly is the comparison?
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I was 0 when Bruce Smith was a rookie. But I was born. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 14, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Should have said.
He would fot in Buffalo like a glove
He would fit in Buffalo like a glove
Darn Typos.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 13, 2010 12:54 AM EST reply actions
Bulagua
And overrated should even be used in the same paragraph let alone sentence. And no one “views him as a RT” otherwise he wouldnt even be mentioned as top 10 talent.
No one who’s seen him play is mentioning him as a Top 10 talent.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
They do however mention him as apossibility at the 9 position for Buffalo.
I cansee where people would get confused.
Mike Mayock
Currently has Bulaga listed at #7
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 14, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
No one aside from Mike Mayock that has seen him play is mentioning him as a Top 10 talent.
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