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QB's in the Superbowl by draft position...


I borrowed this one off of DraftHistory.com...it is attributed to Chris Malumphy. I haven't checked it for accuracy but it seems to be pretty good.  It begs the question of whether the fact that a QB is drafted early makes a franchise stick with them longer....or if the 1st rounders are always that much more successful than the rest.  I previously commented that the scouts have no clue, but this does counter my argument.  Any thoughts?

Super Bowl Records of Starting Quarterbacks
by Round Drafted
RoundWLPct
1 24 19 .568
2 2 3 .400
3 5 6 .455
4 1 3 .250
6 4 3 .571
8 0 1 .000
9 1 1 .500
10 2 2 .500
17 2 0 1.000
18 0 1 .000
24 0 1 .000
Undrafted 1 3 .250

 

Super BowlDraft
YearWinner/Loser Year Rnd Pick Plyr Team College
1967 Bart Starr, GB 1956 17 7 200 Packers Alabama
  Len Dawson, KC 1957 1 5 5 Steelers Purdue
1968 Bart Starr, GB 1956 17 7 200 Packers Alabama
  Daryle Lamonica, OAK 1963 24 14 188 Bills Notre Dame
1969 Joe Namath, NYJ 1965 1 1 1 Jets Alabama
  Johnny Unitas, BAL 1955 9 5 102 Steelers Louisville
1970 Len Dawson, KC 1957 1 5 5 Steelers Purdue
  Joe Kapp, MIN 1959 18 5 209 Redskins California
1971 Earl Morrall, BAL 1956 1 2 2 49ers Michigan State
  Craig Morton, DAL 1965 1 5 5 Cowboys California
1972 Roger Staubach, DAL 1964 10 3 129 Cowboys Navy
  Bob Griese, MIA 1967 1 4 4 Dolphins Purdue
1973 Bob Griese, MIA 1967 1 4 4 Dolphins Purdue
  Bill Kilmer, WAS 1961 1 11 11 49ers UCLA
1974 Bob Griese, MIA 1967 1 4 4 Dolphins Purdue
  Fran Tarkenton, MIN 1961 3 1 29 Vikings Georgia
1975 Terry Bradshaw, PIT 1970 1 1 1 Steelers Louisiana Tech
  Fran Tarkenton, MIN 1961 3 1 29 Vikings Georgia
1976 Terry Bradshaw, PIT 1970 1 1 1 Steelers Louisiana Tech
  Roger Staubach, DAL 1964 10 3 129 Cowboys Navy
1977 Kenny Stabler, OAK 1968 2 25 52 Raiders Alabama
  Fran Tarkenton, MIN 1961 3 1 29 Vikings Georgia
1978 Roger Staubach, DAL 1964 10 3 129 Cowboys Navy
  Craig Morton, DEN 1965 1 5 5 Cowboys California
1979 Terry Bradshaw, PIT 1970 1 1 1 Steelers Louisiana Tech
  Roger Staubach, DAL 1964 10 3 129 Cowboys Navy
1980 Terry Bradwhaw, PIT 1970 1 1 1 Steelers Louisiana Tech
  Vince Ferragamo, LAR 1977 4 7 91 Rams Nebraska
1981 Jim Plunkett, OAK 1971 1 1 1 Patriots Stanford
  Ron Jaworski, PHI 1973 2 11 37 Rams Youngstown State
1982 Joe Montana, SF 1979 3 26 82 49ers Notre Dame
  Ken Anderson, CIN 1971 3 15 67 Bengals Augustana IL
1983 Joe Theismann, WAS 1971 4 21 99 Dolphins Notre Dame
  David Woodley, MIA 1980 8 21 214 Dolphins Louisiana State
1984 Jim Plunkett, LAR 1971 1 1 1 Patriots Stanford
  Joe Theismann, WAS 1971 4 21 99 Dolphins Notre Dame
1985 Joe Montano, SF 1979 3 26 82 49ers Notre Dame
  Dan Marino, MIA 1983 1 27 27 Dolphins Pittsburgh
1986 Jim McMahon, CHI 1982 1 5 5 Bears Brigham Young
  Tony Eason, NE 1983 1 15 15 Patriots Illinois
  Steve Grogan, NE 1975 5 12 116 Patriots Kansas State
1987 Phil Simms, NYG 1979 1 7 7 Giants Morehead State
  John Elway, DEN 1983 1 1 1 Colts Stanford
1988 Doug Williams, WAS 1978 1 17 17 Buccaneers Grambling
  John Elway, DEN 1983 1 1 1 Colts Stanford
1989 Joe Montana, SF 1979 3 26 82 49ers Notre Dame
  Boomer Esiason, CIN 1984 2 10 38 Bengals Maryland
1990 Joe Montana, SF 1979 3 26 82 49ers Notre Dame
  John Elway, DEN 1983 1 1 1 Colts Stanford
1991 Jeff Hostetler, NYG 1984 3 3 59 Giants West Virginia
  Jim Kelly, BUF 1983 1 14 14 Bills Miami FL
1992 Mark Rypien, WAS 1986 6 8 146 Redskins Washington State
  Jim Kelly, BUF 1983 1 14 14 Bills Miami FL
1993 Troy Aikman, DAL 1989 1 1 1 Cowboys UCLA
  Jim Kelly, BUF 1983 1 14 14 Bills Miami FL
  Frank Reich, BUF 1985 3 1 57 Bills Maryland
1994 Troy Aikman, DAL 1989 1 1 1 Cowboys UCLA
  Jim Kelly, BUF 1983 1 14 14 Bills Miami FL
1995 Steve Young, SF 1984s 1 1 1 Buccaneers Brigham Young
  Stan Humphreys, SD 1988 6 22 159 Redskins Louisiana - Monroe
1996 Troy Aikman, DAL 1989 1 1 1 Cowboys UCLA
  Neil O'Donnell, PIT 1990 3 17 70 Steelers Maryland
1997 Brett Favre, GB 1991 2 6 33 Falcons Southern Mississippi
  Drew Bledsoe, NE 1993 1 1 1 Patriots Washington State
1998 John Elway, DEN 1983 1 1 1 Colts Stanford
  Brett Favre, GB 1991 2 6 33 Falcons Southern Mississippi
1999 John Elway, DEN 1983 1 1 1 Colts Stanford
  Chris Chandler, ATL 1988 3 21 76 Colts Washington
2000 Kurt Warner, STL undrafted Northern Iowa
  Steve McNair, TEN 1995 1 3 3 Oilers Alcorn State
2001 Trent Dilfer, BAL 1994 1 6 6 Buccaneers Fresno State
  Kerry Collins, NYG 1995 1 5 5 Panthers Penn State
2002 Tom Brady, NE 2000 6 33 199 Patriots Michigan
  Kurt Warner, STL undrafted Northern Iowa
2003 Brad Johnson, TB 1992 9 3 227 Vikings Florida State
  Rich Gannon, OAK 1987 4 14 98 Patriots Delaware
2004 Tom Brady, NE 2000 6 33 199 Patriots Michigan
  Jake Delhomme, CAR undrafted Louisiana - Lafayette
2005 Tom Brady, NE 2000 6 33 199 Patriots Michigan
  Donovan McNabb, PHI 1999 1 2 2 Patriots Syracuse
2006 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 2004 1 11 11 Steelers Miami OH
  Matt Hasselbeck, SEA 1998 6 34 187 Packers Boston College
2007 Peyton Manning, IND 1998 1 1 1 Colts Tennessee
  Rex Grossman, CHI 2003 1 22 22 Bears Florida
2008 Eli Manning, NYG 2004 1 1 1 Chargers Mississippi
  Tom Brady, NE 2000 6 33 199 Patriots Michigan
2009 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 2009 1 11 11 Steelers Miami OH
  Kurt Warner, ARI undrafted Northern Iowa
2010 Drew Brees, NO 2001 2 1 32 Chargers Purdue
  Peyton Manning, IND 1998 1 1 1 Colts Tennessee

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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thank you for this!

Im tired of Bills fans wanting to wait to draft a QB. If Bradford OR Clausen are at 9, we would be foolish to pass

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 14, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

thank you.

My thoughts exactly…this fan base is so passive, it’s humorous at times.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 14, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

You don’t pass on a potential franchise QB when you don’t have one….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 14, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A better study would be to see how many QB picks in Rd 1 never make SB

or become adequate starters.
2000 – pennington
2001 – vick
2002 – carr, harrington, ramsey
2003 – palmer, leftwich, boller, grossman
2004 – eli, rivers, big ben, JP losman
2005 – smith, rodgers, campbell
2006 – young, leinart
2007 – russel, quinn

This QB class is weak – see 2002 class above where 2 teams in desperate need in top 5 reached on Carr and Harrington. 2003 wasn’t much better. Only 3 of 20 of QBs picked in RD between 2000-2007 have made SB

IMHO, Clausen and Bradford are not franchise QBs so if we don’t get either, I would be ok. None of the guys coming out look like the big 3 in 2004.

by freddyjj on Mar 14, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

What i find even more interesting is that in the last 10 years NO quarterback drafted between the 2nd and 5th round have led a team to the superbowl.

9 of the 20 QBs were 1st rounders.
The other 11 were either 6th rounders or UFA’s.

This is why I’m so against the lets pick Tebow in the 2nd, or Brown in the 3rd, or Skeleton in the 5th. It just dosen’t work.

by biffalobull on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well….manning has been to two, brady to four, ben to two….thats 8 years in the AFC right there by just three guys. also, the 6th rounders are 1-2 if you remove Brady…

by NHBillzFan on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

So then the Bills should pick Tebow or Skeleton in the 1st! Hyperbole to show how silly it is to mark a player as doomed because of the round they’re drafted in.

A player succeeds because of motivation, coaching, and ability (mixed with health). A player fails because of lack of motivation, and poor coaching (HELLO BUFFALO).

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 15, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is a huge project and it's not worth doing, wouldn't prove anything

If we are talking Bust vs Success, then it is quite subjective.

Given that there are 32 teams with 3qbs on average spanning over 44 years, I’d say that it’s not a correct way of looking at it. You could look at all the first round QBs drafted over those 44 years and find a % but what would that tell you? Nothing. You cannot really compare it to any other position so what exactly are you comparing?

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Mar 14, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a similar thought when I saw this, but would it really be a “better study.” The truth is if you took all the drafted and undrafted quarterbacks and compared them to the 1st round drafted QB’s, given the information above the success rate of the 1st rounders would still be higher. But, I am not saying they are necessarily that much better, it may be that 1st rounders are given more of a chance to succeed.

by Rob B on Mar 16, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

interesting info!

Made me want to crunch some numbers:
44 Super Bowls = 88 total “starts” in the big game. 53 of these have been accomplished by a mere 18 QB’s in the 43 year history of the league. 6 QB’s – Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Elway, Kelly and Brady account for nearly half of that with 25 appearances between them. Of those 18, only 8 were drafted in the first round. Tom Brady and Kurt Warner, 6th round and Undrafted – account for 7 themselves.
Roughly 14 “starts” were posted by QB’s I’d consider to have had pretty good careers, ranging from Billy Kilmer and Ken Stabler to Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb – yet never reached the big game again.
Roughly 16 “starts” were posted by QB’s I’d consider to be marginal, injury replacements, or head shakers how they got there in the first place, from Joe Kapp and David Woodley, to Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman.
I’m not factoring in whether they won the SB or not – sadly, Mark Rypien won one and was never heard from again, while Kenny Anderson lost one, and I’m wondering why he isn’t in the HOF.
I think the most interesting thing this brings light to is how the league has changed. Starr, Dawson, Staubach, Tarkenton had been in the league for 10 plus years before winning titles. Most often with the same team. Different game at that time.. The pre free agency of the 70-90’s saw dominant teams there were able to stay together: Stillers, Dolphins, Raiders, Cowboys, Niners and to a lesser extent the Patriots this decade.
The moral of this story, imo – if you can get a truly elite talent at QB – a la Manning, Elway or Kelly – you damn well grab them. But, if not, you find another way to skin the pigskin.
For every one of these 18 multiple SB winners thare are 5 1st round catastrophes a la David Klinger, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, JP Losman, Heath Shuler, Jim Druckenmiller, Cade McNown, Ryan Leaf, Todd Marinovich, Patrick Ramsey, Kyle Bollar, Jemarcus Russell, Alex Smith………. on and on and on and on.
I don’t see a truly “elite” QB talent in this draft. Of course I’m a Hawkeye homer, so I say take Bulaga if he’s there, build a strong O line, and run the ball.

by LeClaireBill on Mar 14, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Interesting Info

Great analysis.

Thanks for the time you put into this!

by mikeo76 on Mar 14, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Rob, can't believe we both did similar posts the same afternoon.

I started it this morning and finished it this afternoon without realizing that you had posted something quite similar to mine. My conclusion is quite clear, the majority of superbowls have been won by Round 1 QBs and if either Claussen or Bradford were to fall to us at #9, we should pull the trigger.

BTW, how do you insert tables like that?

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Mar 14, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I just highlight the table cut and paste. Nothing special.

by Rob B on Mar 16, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Rypien still hurts.

I know he had a career year, but the Bills should have had an answer for him. He was a 1-trick pony.

Buffalo Rumblings Premiere League 2009 Champion
Song recommendation of the week: Ween - Bananas & Blow

"...BUT anyting is possible come draft DAY HOW many times we all say this is the guy we ae getting and BANGGGGG EVERYbody is in a state of SHOCK CAUSE frutty Pebles snack BANG bang CEREAL Coach just went the other way COCCOA PUFF nutty NUT craker Umpa Lumpa on all of the FANS Band wagon Kraken Dibede POP" - abayarde

by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 15, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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