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Bills' Edwards could highlight 2010 NFL trend

Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey haven't been particularly busy on the free agent front. Despite the lack of activity in that area, Nix and Gailey remain the unquestioned leaders of the latest Buffalo Bills reclamation project. Ironically - or maybe not ironically - that effort could begin with a reclamation project taking snaps at quarterback.

It's still unclear if the Bills plan on addressing the quarterback position in some capacity this off-season, despite the unavoidable fact that they really must. The veteran quarterback market has dried up quickly, and despite the supposed availability of a proven starter such as Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb, a blockbuster of that magnitude seems quite unlikely in Buffalo. There are, of course, options in the 2010 NFL Draft, but given where the Bills pick and who might be available at that point, chances are slim that the team finds a starting quarterback in April.

Those facts added up have led to the speculation - which has existed for going on two months now - that Trent Edwards could end up being the team's starter when the 2010 season opener comes around. Edwards was benched last season in favor of Ryan Fitzpatrick, then suffered a serious ankle injury late in the year. If Edwards does indeed get the first shot next year, he'll be one of several young signal-callers getting second or third looks league-wide.

Star-divide

It seems like the start of the 2008 season happened a lot further back than barely 18 months ago, but Edwards was being talked about as the quarterback of the future at that point. Hell, Buffalo was such a surprise (they started the '08 season 5-1, if you recall) and Edwards so clutch (three fourth-quarter comebacks in that span, albeit against not-so-great teams) that No. 5 was all over ESPN.com for a time:

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Since that time, to say Edwards' star has fallen would be an understatement. He's started 14 games since that hot start in '08, leading the Bills to a 3-11 record in those contests while sporting a 12-15 TD-to-INT ratio. He's dealt with the aforementioned ankle injury, as well as shoulder, head and groin injuries in that time span, and when Fitzpatrick went 5-4 with the same squad a year ago, almost all hope for Edwards completely evaporated.

The chance still exists, of course, that the Bills - should they not acquire a quarterback they'd be willing to hand the starting job to - choose to give Fitzpatrick the first shot next year in lieu of Edwards. Given the disparity of won-loss records, that wouldn't be surprising. But Edwards is still only 26 years old, and even if you're down on his upside, his upside still trumps Fitzpatrick's upside.

If Edwards gets the nod, by my count, he'll be one of a half-dozen ongoing evaluations of young quarterbacks that have seen playing time already, been benched or injured, and are likely to see time again.

San Francisco's Alex Smith and Tennessee's Vince Young have already begun that process. Smith was re-inserted into the starting lineup by Mike Singletary in Week 7 last year, and while the team wasn't great overall (5-6 in those starts), Smith put up very solid numbers (2,350 yards, 18 TD, 12 INT, 81.5 QB rating). He's already been named the starter for 2010 - this after not seeing a single snap during the 2008-09 season. Meanwhile, Young was named the starter by Jeff Fisher after the Titans got off to a dreadful 0-6 start last season, and while Young's numbers weren't outstanding (1,879 yards, 10 TD, 7 INT), Tennessee went 8-2 in Young's 10 starts and nearly pulled a huge surprise wild card berth. He, too, will continue his redemption story as the starter in 2010.

Arizona's Matt Leinart, barring a surprise acquisition out west, will take over the reigns of a burgeoning NFC powerhouse after the retirement of Kurt Warner. Leinart has seen spot starts and odd playing time over the past few seasons, but hasn't been the team's full-time starter since the beginning of the 2007 season. Ken Whisenhunt is currently poking around veteran quarterbacks, namely Charlie Whitehurst and Derek Anderson, but Leinart's been in the system, worked with Warner, and will start the '10 season looking to pick up where Warner left off.

No one's sure exactly what will happen in Oakland, mostly because Oakland isn't sure exactly what will happen in Oakland. Tom Cable is still the head coach, and a year ago, journeyman veteran Bruce Gradkowski became his quarterback of choice, leading the Raiders to a 2-2 record before succumbing to injury. Everyone knows that the Raiders are still Al Davis' guinea pig, however, and if Davis flexes his corporate muscles, 2007 top overall pick JaMarcus Russell will likely "win back" the starting job in Oakland.

Kyle Orton's presence in Denver will likely prevent new Bronco Brady Quinn from starting any time soon, but Denver has been after Quinn for two years now. It's clear that head coach Josh McDaniels wants a longer-term solution out west, and Quinn - who only made a dozen starts in his first three years in Cleveland - fits the bill there. Orton had a solid year in 2009, but the Broncos were terrible over the second half of the season, finishing out 2-8 (something Bills fans should be familiar with). In that stretch, Orton saw his TD-INT ratio drop from 9-1 (over the first six games) to 12-11 (over the final ten). Orton's not a sure thing in Denver, and should he falter early, Quinn might finally get his real chance.

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I'm still a little miffed

that we didn’t try to get in on the Quinn thing. On the brightside though, can you imagine just how cheap a guy like Troy Smith would/will be now?

by mob16151 on Mar 15, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Quinn

I agree. Quinn was really great in Cleveland to bad he didn’t get the chance to ride the bench in Buffalo

by Bob on Mar 15, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

His W-L record, his completion %, his TD-to-Int ratio are not much different than Edwards’ during that time. Was Edwards great here? Quinn to Denver: thank goodness.

by mcmaurer on Mar 15, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Methinks

Bob was being just a LITTLE sarcastic. At least I hope so.

by billskk69 on Mar 15, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

I’m with ya there brotha.

by billskk69 on Mar 15, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing

You are talking about the Bills/Dolphins game late in the 2002 season, when Ricky Williams ran wild. Henry had 151 yards, Moulds had 130 and a 57 yard TD, Price had 2 TD’s (one for 73 yards), and Bledsoe went over 300. Of course, that only got the Bills to 6-6, so I’m not sure what playoff aspirations they really had.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 15, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you, thats the game!

I was going to say Dolphins game but feared I was wrong. That got my playoff hopes up because if I’m not mistaken by handing the Phins a loss and picking up one ourselves we made the AFC East a total toss up for division winner. Everyone in the division was 7-5 or 6-6. We were right back in it at that point.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 15, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

6-6… that’d be great

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on Mar 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad isnt it?

what my good memories are of the last decade……

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 15, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

dashed hopes

I actually started to buy into Losman after the two minute drive wins against Houston and Jacksonville in 2006. All and all, Losman was better in 2006 than Edwards has ever been for a full season. As wrong as I was about Losman, I even remember that I started to buy into Rob Johnson following the win at Arrowhead in 2000 that got the Bills to 7-4 before the Bucs game that cost the Bills their two best players (Cowart and Winfield) the following week (and we haven’t recovered since). Personally, I never warmed up to Edwards. Even during the 5-1 start, Edwards appeared more opportunistic than good (like Bledsoe during the 2004 charge). I remember the offense being fairly putrid for long stretches of the Seahawks, Jaguars, Raiders, and Rams games before they found their stride and snowballed some points together. Edwards was superb in the Chargers game that year, but all and all I was always bearish on Edwards and I can’t grasp the Drew Brees-like career turnarounds hopes that some supporters of the team seem to carry.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hear ya

I was one of his fervent supporters but even my confidence in him has been tempered after this last season.

I can understand buying into JP. As much flack as he gets he had his moments – exciting ones too. But I never could believe in him when he would always find a way to turn the ball over when it mattered most. You know how bad it is when I was at the Jets game when he fumbled the ball away to lose it in 08 and I wasn’t even surprised – I couldnt even get angry when all the Jets fans jeered at me because I was used to seeing it from him. My older brother is a die hard fan and even he just shrugged and accepted it. Its what he always found a way to do.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 15, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand buying into JP. As much flack as he gets he had his moments

He didn’t just have his moments. ‘06 Losman was the 11th rated QB in the league. His passer rating was only 3 points behind some guy named Brady. As much as we talk about the collapse of Edwards and how amazing that was, I personally find the fact that Losman went from playing an entire season as a fringe pro-bowl candidate in the AFC to being so bad he got benched only a few games into the next season for a 3rd round pick. Yes he got injured, but there’s a reason Trent stayed in after that happened.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Mar 15, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually started to buy into Losman after the two minute drive wins against Houston

With an aaaaawesome catch from Peerless in the back of the endzone. That was a crazy game. Wasnt that when Evans went for two 83-yard TDs in the first quarter?

"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST

by bflo on Mar 15, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was

I had Evans on one of my fantasy teams that day and still lost.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow.

Rest of the team must of crapped the bed on ya huh? lol He must have had 20+ points (depending on format) from just those 2 catches alone.

"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST

by bflo on Mar 15, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reccer

Totally agree with ya

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 15, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

After the 5-1 start I was convinced Trent was our QB of the future. As much as I’ve lost faith in him over the next abysmal season and a half there is no denying that despite it coming against below average teams, Trent looked so poised, accurate, and crisp. Even opening night against the Pats Trent looked like the real deal again.

I think Trent can get back to that again, I just feel he needs an OL he can trust. After 2 concussions, I would imagine his trust in certain players that were previously on the OL are shot. Who can’t remember that money throw to Josh Reed against the Redskins? I think Trent can be good if he just has a decent OL. We finally addressed the interior line with Wood and Levitre, and hopefully they will continue to get better, now we need some bookends, especially at LT, if he actually has a decent OL we will see the Trent we like instead of the Trentative one we don’t. He needs and OL he can trust that has his back to be successful.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 16, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

ugh… I guess I could roll with Trent one more year. And only because I dont see us competing for a playoff spot. So if he can do decent this year Ill have a little more confidence going forward… But Im not expecting much from him. I would like to still see Brohm push him in camp. I still am holding on the fact Brohm could be a late bloomer and all our QB problems will be solved by him. lol… but seriously.

I dont see us getting Bradford or Clausen. I like Pike, but not sure if we’ll go with a “mid-round QB” in hopes of maybe doing bad enough this coming year to get a top tier QB next? I really have no idea…

"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST

by bflo on Mar 15, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

i still believe in trent

i think maybe he can regain some confidence. get him a LT and some depth on that oline, and he should be fine. also another wr would help tremendously. with nelson coming along and maybe drafting someone like dez bryant (gasp) this offense could turn from a mediocre to a good one over night….

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 15, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

I’d be okay with Trent starting as long as he earns the job. He has demonstrated great flashes of potential I think.

by Mindbender14 on Mar 15, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Trent get one last chance

I think he still has the potential to be a good NFL quarterback. Now if only he can learn to throw a slant route….

by billsfan4life on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming Bradford’s not available at 9, Trent is probably the best option available. He still has some potential and with decent coaching and line play could be a serviceable starter. And if not, hello Locker or Mallett.

by tm on Mar 15, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

yea

Buffalo Kid will be happy if Trent starts – should increase the odds of drafting Locker.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 15, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t get why people love Locker ( I love lamp), but loathe Tebow. Aren’t they essentially the same type of player?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 15, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your asking the wrong guy

I love Tebow, so I dont get all the hate. I guess mechanics is the biggest difference though for those that dont like Tebow. Locker would appear more refined if thats what you want to call it.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 15, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just thought it was an appropriate spot to respond. I don’t know if Locker is more refined. He’s fast and plays ala The Running of the Bulls. I haven’t seen enough of him throwing the ball to know if he’ll be a good fit in the NFL. If he throws more North-South over his body than East-West, I don’t buy that makes one QB more of a lock than another. There have been plenty of failed players who have traditional mechanics.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 15, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, totally agree with you

and plenty of successful quarterbacks with unorthodox mechanics.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 15, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tebow as a full time starter: 33-4

Mallet as a full time starter: 10-7

Locker as a full time starter: 8-20.

just sayin.

by quantumuprising on Mar 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol......

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 15, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea with Tyrone playing on the links all of Lockers frosh year

that was when he lost everygame that season 0-12 might set your record back a little.

" A wise man once told me, never argue with a fool, becuase from a far, you can't tell who is who" - Jay-Z

by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 15, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch. Yeah, I love watching highlights of Locker, but he looks like a kid playing streetball. 8-20 is HORRIBLE. I don’t care if he doesn’t have talent around him, it’s terrible.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 15, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude his coach was Tyrone "I'd rather play golf than coach or recruit" Willingham for 12 games

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 15, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay. But the lack of a competent coach for a year won’t benefit his preparation for the pros. It may have hindered his maturity as a QB. It’s a bit like Edwards, who has been without a competent coach to teach him an NFL offense.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 15, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last three years he gets to work with Steve Sarkisian from USC and he's a great coach.

That one season his frosh year with Tyrone they went 0-12 like I’ve said, so his record IMO is 8-8, not counting the worst Pac-10 team ever.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 15, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we are subtracting...

let’s take away the 3 wins over Washington State(the worst Pac-10 college ever)…so…5-8. ;-)

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by Undee on Mar 15, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

good enough for me, I'm not a Locker maniac but he's damn talented.

" A wise man once told me, never argue with a fool, becuase from a far, you can't tell who is who" - Jay-Z

by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 15, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually he's only a junior so 2 wins vs, Wazzu St. so a big change to 6-8, ha

" A wise man once told me, never argue with a fool, becuase from a far, you can't tell who is who" - Jay-Z

by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 15, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

Not hatin’ on Locker, just keepin’ it real!

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by Undee on Mar 16, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus Locker

gets to work with Sarkisian who seems like damn good QB/Offensive coach, compared to Tebow I think Locker has better overall mechanics IMO.

" A wise man once told me, never argue with a fool, becuase from a far, you can't tell who is who" - Jay-Z

by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 15, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Tebow, so I dont get all the hate. I guess mechanics is the biggest difference though for those that dont like Tebow. Locker would appear more refined if thats what you want to call it.

The reason I like Locker more than Tebow, isn’t just the mechanics.

I think Locker is much more elusive in his running style and pocket presence, he is one that can sense the pressure without seeing it and move away from it, you can’t teach that, you either have it or don’t. I also think Locker throws a more accurate ball on the run.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 16, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Waiting on Buffalo Kid to pounce all over this one.

by BillsfanDan on Mar 15, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not if they continue to improve the OL.

I think Trent could prove quite capable with a decent top 8 OL.

The reason I like Locker so much is OBD hasn’t seemed committed to putting a decent OL on the field since Polian left and Wil Wolford left. Locker with his elusiveness and ability to throw on the run, was a logical choice for a team that has Demitrius Bell #1 on the depth chart at LT before this year’s draft (My nickname for Demetrius Bell is penalty machine).

They started to show signs of an interest in improving the OL last year with Wood and Levitre, but LT is still the most important position on the OL, and not drafting Oher shows me the attempt was half hearted.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 16, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bleh

I still don’t like the thought of Edwards at QB again. He looks permanently broken to me, and the sooner we rid ourselves of that, the better. I’m all for giving guys second or third chances, but I never saw a whole lot in Edwards and hate the way he plays QB.

The difference between the guys you listed (Young, Leinart, Smith, Russell) is they were top 10 picks with bloated contracts, and talent for the most part. Young and Smith replaced ineffective starters, while Leinart will be assuming the job because of Warner’s retirement, as long as they don’t bring in competition. Russell is in and out of the lineup, and I don’t see him starting over Gradkowski this year, actually.

Trent on the other hand, is not holding the the franchise hostage due to a ridiculous contract. He has not earned the chance to go into the season as the starter, like a Young or Smith potentially have. He’s just a guy that this new regime has yet to dump, and may be the team’s richest homeless guy. I find it amazing that this team could potentially go into the season with him or Fitz as the starter, and mind-numbing too.

Not that I agree with what Mike Holmgren is doing in Cleveland, but I like that he’s making moves to bring in players he wants there, and dumping the players from the previous regime. I think Delhomme is beyond awful and Seneca Wallace is a mediocre backup, but bringing those guys in is better than sticking with the two bums that couldn’t cut it in Cleveland in Anderson and Quinn. Out with the old, in with the new. I do wish Chix were more aggressive in looking for solutions at the QB position. I’m hoping Draft Day is where they show some guts at the position.

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by Kurupt on Mar 15, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

excellent point regarding the other guys and their big time contracts.

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by poz on Mar 15, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your point about contracts is a good one, but it doesn’t apply to Alex Smith. He re-structured his deal roughly a year ago – two years, $6.5 million.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 15, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true

It’s still a decent chunk of change, and much, much, much more than an Edwards makes.

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by Kurupt on Mar 15, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, absolutely. Neither contract is prohibitive, but Edwards’ contract is ridiculously low.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 15, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the clean sweep

while I would hope Edwards could get back on track… all Ive done is hope for five years that things would get back on track and nothing has… we just aren
t talented enough at nearly any position to not imagine a scenario where moving players around could make us better, and at QB, almost anything would make us better…

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by killascript on Mar 15, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent deserves another shot

but the Bills would be wise to stockpile some talent at the position.

by Renegade23 on Mar 15, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Trent but I’m curious as to why he “deserves” a shot.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I believe Edwards is a better option than Fitzpatrick, neither are the QB the Bills need to win a Super Bowl. If they can’t find that SB QB this off-season I’m in favor of going with Edwards this year. I think working with an offensive coach will really benefit him whereas the previous coaching staff made him regress.

And is a QB’s W-L record equivalent to a pitcher’s W-L record in baseball? That is, it might tell you a tiny bit, but there’s so many other factors in play that it’s almost pointless to look at that? Sure QB might be the most important position, but you still have 50something other players that have a pretty big impact on winning and losing.

by Pistol on Mar 15, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Trent's issues are purely mental IMO.......

If Gailey and Co. can get his head on straight……..then I see no reason why he cant be the Trent he was in Early 08’

Of course I’d be okay with him being the guy again……..but I do agree that the Chan Chan man needs his “own” guy…….

New coaches mean new QB’s…….thats just the way it goes.

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 15, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Not all of Trent's injuries are mental....he has to stay healthy too.

A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!

by Joe P. on Mar 15, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of him taking the hits that he is taking are mental........

not getting rid of the ball fast enough.

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 15, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If somehow Gailey can transform passive Trent into an aggressive leader, then he could be successful. Personally, I don’t think it’s possible. He’s the quintessential laid-back California boy.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh....

(Facepalm)

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 15, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's see if he can be a competent QB

then we’ll worry about whether or not it matters that he’s from California.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Mar 15, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has the talent, no doubt. my doubt is that he has the will to be a hard-nosed leader. Like the reference or not, he has only shown 2 modes, calm and deer in the headlights.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, Brady is a laid back California boy too…

by CronoDroid on Mar 16, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to get rid of the ball.

When you are getting hit on step 2 of a three step drop.

I think Trent’s biggest problem is his lack of faith in the OL and going through his reads too quickly, because if he doesn’t he is gonna get smacked.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 16, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he needs a decent OL
he has to stay healthy too.

To do that which he hasn’t had.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 16, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll kick the dead horse

The point (Edwards) is still moot if there isn’t significantly better play from the OL. I’m somewhat concerned. Woods may not be up to par (or sadly worse). We still have questions at tackle. We’ve done little in FA to create competition and/or depth. I think there were opportunities we either ignored or missed – Cogs and Adam Terry respectively.

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by fansince60 on Mar 15, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I absolutely agree. If they’re going to go with any of the 3 guys on the roster today, then LT MUST be a priority first and foremost.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its more like if they’re looking to go with ANYBODY under center, LT must be a priority. Unless they’re planning on finding a left-handed QB somewhere that can see the guys bearing down on on him after first running over/past/through/around the LT, they need someone there who is both competent and doesn’t jump offsides whenever the wind blows. We also need at least one or two WRs that can make an impact. The Bills website only shows 4 WRs. The only worthwhile starter is Lee Evans. The other three are Roscoe, James Hardy, and Steve Johnson. Show me a starter out of those three. Roscoe has been around six years and has shown that he’s a punt returner, not a WR. Hardy’s been on the PUP list and hasn’t shown anything beyond that the only discernible, positive quality he has is that he’s tall. I think all I have to say about Steve Johnson is that he’s Steve Johnson. Marshawn had a case of the dropsies last year catching passes. The only touchdown Shawn Nelson caught last year came in the first game. The longest reception Jonathan Stupar had last year was for 17 yards and Joe Klopfhenstein isn’t even worth mentioning. In a nutshell, we CANNOT enter the 2010 season with Lee Evans and Fred Jackson as the only viable options for Trent Edwards or Ryan Fitzpatrick or or Brian Brohm or Shane Falco to be throwing to. I’m personally a bigger fan of Edwards than Fitz simply because Edwards is more of a quarterback than Fitz is. I like what Andre Reed said that the Bills should give Edwards the team for the full year. That’s something that Edwards never has had. If he wins the job in the preseason, tell him he’s the starter this year, not he’s going to start the year. Obviously if he is throwing pick after pick and can’t buy a win (which is scary since we get three teams that we can at least say we’re better than, when both teams are having a good day, in the Lions, Chiefs and Browns) then you’ve got to take him out if he’s HURTING the team, something he never really was doing last year, which took a collaborative effort to look so bad. The Bills need to have 3 key objectives coming into and out of the draft: O-Line, and building up the Front 7 and WR core. If they focussed on QB rather than those 3 things (while they’ve only focussed on the first two), whoever they got, let’s say for the sake of argument McNabb, would not fare much better than Edwards with the team as it currently stands. Improve the pieces around the QB before turning your focus to that position.

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

when did we trade for Falco? Last season pretty much settled the argument that lack of receiving targets was the number one issue. It’s a forgone conclusion that the Bills will make a substantial upgrade at LT. Got to start with protection, then judge QB ability and finally receivers. Without the first 2, the third is a waste. I think the jury’s still out on our young receivers.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha well we didn’t since he’s Keanu Reaves from the movie the The Replacements. i completely agree with you about the third being pointless without the third. I agree that Hardy hasn’t been used steadily enough to say he’s either a guy you put in to go up and catch a pass in the endzone or if he’s going to be a Plaxico Burress type guy (I mean he’s already got the gun part down). I think Parrish’s returner only status is set, I don’t see him being close to a Wes Welker. As for Johnson, the jury is still out on him. He’s a young guy that certainly could have something. He hasn’t been pigeonholed as a returnman like Parrish and he’s shaped like a NFL receiver. Out of the three, I am actually more hopeful towards him since he doesn’t have that lanky frame to worry about like Hardy and he doesn’t have that small frame like Parrish, making it easier for him to learn how to be an actual NFL WR than it is for any of the other guys on the roster, its just a matter of can he be developed properly? That’s where I have some worries.

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kind of like where your head is at tlama

I like how you mention the “collaborative effort to look so bad” when talking about Trent. Because as much as I doubt him now and can no longer trust him in games until he proves me wrong – I do still think Trent Edwards was put in the most unwinnable situation I’ve ever seen for a young QB – and this is right after the JP Losman act of pulling him in and out of the starting spot. They traded his LT, cut his replacement LT, injured his replacements replacement at LT, fired his offensive coordinator, fired his head coach, and yanked his shiny new “no-huddle” offense that was supposed to play to his strengths and that he spent all off-season learning. The Buffalo Bills failed Trent Edwards plain and simple. So I agree with that.

However, I disagree with your characterization of our WR corp. In a rebuilding season, it is important to first identify all the places you need upgrades – of which we have plenty – and then identify which of those needs can have the fort held down by what you have on your roster and which are in absolute need of being upgraded immediately. Your dismissal of Steve Johnson isn’t that fair in my opinion or of James Hardy. Steve Johnson may not have shown much yet but what he has shown so far is that he doesn’t make mistakes. From the small glimpses we’ve seen Stevie J did his job when his number was called. Given our current lack of talent across the roster, that should earn him the right to see if he can hold the job down while we address other issues – give him a chance to win the job. Same with Hardy – lets see what we have him in now so he doesn’t get in the way of our future plans if hes got nothing, but give him a chance to emerge if hes the real deal we thought when we drafted him.

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by poz on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd...... Agree with Poz...

Johnson and Hardy have been on the team long enough now that they should be good WRs. Give them the starts in OTAs and camp, keep Roscoe on special teams, and draft a WR late. These guys have potential and won’t develop unless they get on the field. They will both be highly motivated for a big, future payday, so give them the chance.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 15, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree poz and I corrected myself in a later post on here somewhere. With that said, I still firmly believe that we need an upgrade at the position. One may argue that T.O. was meant to be that upgrade, which is true, but the mass coaching failures hindered any chance of a T.O. upgrade. Now that he’s gone, along with Reed (a move I still don’t agree with or fully understand), we have a big hole that I just don’t see either of those guys capable of filling. I think Hardy will, rightfully so, see more work as a slot- receiver, and Johnson will get some work on the outside and potentially in the slot as well depending if we pick up a true outside receiver, which i think we need

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bad

*Wood
(Have Tiger Woods on the brain)

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by fansince60 on Mar 15, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what A LOT of shes said…

"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
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by bflo on Mar 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha

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by poz on Mar 15, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

that would be Tiger Woods in the skull.

"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"

by fansince60 on Mar 15, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha. I think that was meant to mean two things, and if you did that unintentionally then its even funnier lol.

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Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
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by bflo on Mar 15, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way I see it is that we don’t have a clue how Edwards or Fitz will perform at this point. In my opinion, they should be allowed a clean slate for this year. Reason? Well I personally am giving Trent a pass after the last regime destroyed him. To me he hasn’t had a “real” teacher. If this is the direction they are going, I am all for it to see if he can step up and become that effiicient style of QB we need to run this offense. If there are no marked improvements this year, then the Edwards project is over. The other reason I am for this is because I dont believe using him this year will hinder us at all. If the team were to draft a QB this year, they wouldn’t be playing anyhow.
I say lets see what the new regime can do to the Bills as a whole, which includes our QB situation.

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by Hambone on Mar 15, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Trent can be a capable starter in the system Gailey is putting in. It is a run first system. With what is available out there now is Trent one of our better options? I am not sure and I do not know if OBD knows either. Gailey has made some medicore quarterbacks look good. The quarterbacks in this draft scare me since the top two are injured and would cost too much. The lower tier quarterbacks need time to develop. Our QB options are diminishing for 2010 at least.

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by Deadpool71 on Mar 15, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

THIGPEN!

If not available or too costly, roll with Edwards and draft Locker we are #1 next year.

They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills

by Sluss88 on Mar 15, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

(supposed to read) ...draft Locker when we have the #1 next year.

They are hard to play but not hard to beat.
- Mike Lombardi on the Buffalo Bills

by Sluss88 on Mar 15, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thigpen is not available.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 15, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwards fall off can be attributed to "two words"

Adrian Wilson

and his cheapshot hit knocked all the confidence out of Trent. Granted he has talent, but when a QB lacks confidence, decisiveness and where the game “slows down” for him and he is a “zone”, then forget it…

I agree though, the Bills will try to develop Edwards with now having Gailey and the new QB’s coach. They have nothing to lose and will either see that he has something or let him play out his final year of his contract (like Losman) and let him walk.

If Clausen falls to them at 9, then they take him there. If not, they go OT and pick a rookie up later in the draft. Either way, a rookie will be on the bench at the start of the season for Buffalo. Fitzpatrick and Edwards will battle for the starting job, loser gets the back-up role.

I would have thought the Bills would have made a play for a vet QB to compete with the above senario, but IMO, the price would be “too much” to get anything more than a 1 year stop gap.

If I was Chix, I would bring make an offer for Troy Smith, or go after Josh Johnson in a trade for Edwards to see what either of these potentials can do for them. I don’t think Thigpen is on the trade market because of what Miami is doing by moving him up to #2.

I think Edwards is “damaged goods” compliments of Adrian Wilson… like Cleveland and Carolina, you have to know when to say when and dump guys without making a reclamation project.

by dabillsr1 on Mar 15, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Edwards’ best game of his career was the San Diego game which came after the Wilson cheap shot. His poor play throughout his career is soley talent-based; it’s the reason he nearly slipped to the 4th round of the draft.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I maintain that Edwards had value when we picked him in the third round. He was projected to go earlier than he did by several people (and later by some, I’m sure). Look at the QBs projected for the third round this year. They’re projects. That’s what Edwards was. What killed Trent Edwards’ confidence is that he didn’t suck beyond belief to begin with. If he had, the coaching staff would have NEEDED to do the right thing and let him mature. They didn’t and this is what we get for their lack of foresight.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 15, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

the coaching staff would have NEEDED to do the right thing and let him mature. They didn’t and this is what we get for their lack of foresight.

Actually that’s what we get for their lack of coaching ability. They didn’t know how to do the right thing or even what that THING was!

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by fansince60 on Mar 15, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Full disclosure

I have absolutely no respect for the Kiper/McShay people and their projections. There are legitimate talent issues with Edwards as a starting QB that go beyond confidence and coaching deficiencies.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love to hear ’em.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 15, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won't pretend to be a QB guru...

I won’t pretend to be a QB guru, but after watching him for three years, my amateur scouting report would be that he processes defenses slowly or incompletely; he throws a sub-par deep ball; his arm strength is acceptable, but hardly an asset; he’s brittle; he’s slow of foot; he’s suspect/shaky in terms of leadership intangibles.

I think the hard evidence of his talent deficiencies lies not in what a fan watching from his rocking chair sees, but more so in how professional talent evaluators let him slide to the late third round (where you wouldn’t expect to find a starting QB). His production after ample playing time indicates that the professional talent evaluators out there were correct to pass on him and that’s what I’d like to see the Bills do now after this failed experiment.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your amateur scouting report, except for the “slow of foot” assessment. I think he’s actually more athletic than we give him credit for. I think he just doesn’t usually take off and run. When I’ve seen him run, I’m actually surprised by his ability to not get mauled. He’s certainly not Bledsoe back there.

However, not all of those problems you listed are deal breakers. Brady has an average arm. Romo is suspect in intangibles. Brees lacks touch on his deep ball. The worst thing you mention is the processing of defenses, but some of that can be alleviated by having safety valves. Maybe the combination of those factors makes him inviable as a starting QB, but I’m saying it’s not impossible.

Also, if you’ll recall, we weren’t gunning for a starting QB when we picked him. You don’t find starting QBs in the third round unless you give them YEARS to mature. Losman was just coming off his “good” season. We didn’t need a starter. We needed insurance. That’s what we got. Only we didn’t pay the premium.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 16, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the concussion from Wilson is what killed Trent’s career, how do we explain that he had arguably his best game as a pro (10/19/08) against the Chargers in the very next game he played?

I don’t think Trent was ever that good, but we latched onto the only semblance of solid QB play we had seen in years. Even Trent’s “career” year was very mediocre, with 11 TD’s vs. 10 INT’s.

by Jeff Winters on Mar 15, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll say it again

Post concussion syndrome.

You see it in boxing too, sometimes a rising star isn’t the same after having been KO’d.

It’s a physiological effect and a fact of life for some people.

by Rick A on Mar 15, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate to say it, but i’d be more than okay if that concussion had made Edwards a bit more Tyson-like.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 15, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking from first-hand experience here. Post-concussion syndrome can last for days, weeks, years or forever. It’s effects and duration are extremely variable.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the concussion theory

still doesn’t explain his game against the chargers.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Mar 15, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s not unusual, actually. it’s not uncommon for the long-term effects of a concussion to manifest days or weeks after the initial trauma. That’s actually how it went in my case, was a couple weeks before the tinnitus and dizziness really set in. I know it sounds odd, but that’s how it was. For me, it was about 8 months before I returned to about 85%. The other 15 is still gone, almost 6 years after the fact.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats enough for me

Trent’s done for

It is Brohm’s Bills jersey that is the least stained with doo-doo... GO BILLS

by killascript on Mar 15, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

like I said, it varies by individual and severity of the injury. I wouldn’t write him off, based on just a concussion. It will become obvious at full game speed, whether his noggin is clicking at full tilt or not. If he continues with the slow reads and apparent lack of peripheral recognition, then you’ll know.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

How many more craptastic Edwards games do we have to see, to decide he’s done? I really do want to know.

by mob16151 on Mar 15, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figure we’ll see probably 4 different QB’s during the regular season. By mid-season, the poor unfortunate rookie may even get thrown to the wolves. I don’t see how it really matters much who gets the job on day one, they’ll all get a chance sooner or later.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I was wondering,because at this point I have a hard time picturing Edwards even being a viable NFL backup.

by mob16151 on Mar 15, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

none of them are, at this point. If Gailey has the balls to lay his career on the line with one of these jokers, then I’m willing to sit back and see how it unfolds.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

if the man can get Tyler Thigpen to play well, maybe he can get something out of a guy like Brohm. Because right now I’d think he has the most "upside " of the QB’s on the roster.

by mob16151 on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i stand corrected.

...so I guess now I root for chan gailey...

by JPH on Mar 16, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the bright side, if Trent Edwards or Ryan Fitzpatrick is the starting QB for the Bills, my DirecTV bill will decrease by about $70 a month this Fall.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

amen. it proves how much the nfl has a ridiculous stranglehold on our lives. My household shells out money for directv sunday ticket to watch the bills and the browns.

by quantumuprising on Mar 15, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoever we put back there this year is going to get hammered. If it’s Edwards he won’t last a full season.

by Applsoss on Mar 15, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I still Billeive

I think Trent can do it if he has the time. Trent looked great when we started 4-0 I was happy he was the starter and had alot of faith in him since his first NFL drive when JP went down against the Pats and Edwards came in and drove us for a TD he ran the offense like a pro and that was against the reigning Super Bowl champs( i think). At that point I thought he could be a starter and still do. I went to the game in AZ when we were 4-0 and being in Vegas I dont get the chance to see the Bills play live that much and was very worried when he went down on the third play but he came back after the bye and had his best game as a Bill against San Deigo and thats when things took a turn for the worst. I don’t think he was at fault for the most part and I want to see him get anether chance under a solid offensive coaching staff with a better more expeirenced line. With that I think he would surprise alot of you.

by SClemyBillsFan on Mar 15, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I honestly care little as to who starts for us next season.

Main ly because unless we draft a QB at #9, next year’s starting will have little baring on our long term success. I’ve switched into BIG PICTURE mode, and next year’s QB has little to do with the big picture.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 15, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The Real QB Bills Problem

T.Edwards just needs a coaching staff around him along with some players up front to block.
Here we go.
LOT/B.Bulaga——Iowa
LOG/A.Levitre
OC/G.Hangarten—-E.Wood when he comes back from injury
ROG/A.Ulatoski—-Texas Converted from ROT to ROG.
ROT/K.Calloway—Iowa

Here is how we get these three players.
Trade D.Whitner hometown Cleveland boy to Cleveland along with our second round 2011 pick for their number one in 2010.
Draft/B.Bulaga—-Iowa
Draft/K.Calloway——Iowa with our 2010 third round pick.
Draft/A.Ulatoski——-Texas with our 2010 fourth round pick.
With our first two picks we draft R.McClain ILB ALabama and in the second round C.Wootton DE Northwestern and or T.Cody DT Alabama

by Dziedzic on Mar 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Whitner + 2011 2nd rounder doesn’t exactly equal seventh overall pick. Not only that, but you’ve got 3 rookies starting, and either one or two second year guys. That leaves the line with ZERO experience. I like addressing the front 7 in the first two rounds, though.

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

John Skelton

Whats everyone’s thoughts on Skelton? I like the fact he has a cannon, but does he have the rest of the intangibles?

by IronEagle119 on Mar 15, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever

I’m still potentially a Trent fan. You can’t tell me that putting him in a hurry-up offense with an OC change and a crap O-line didn’t destroy him a bit. He’s no Peyton Manning in that sense, but guys who aren’t Peyton Manning win despite all of that. When given time and a proper personnel game package, one that doesn’t require a downfield throw to save the game, a run-first offense, perhaps he can make all the right plays. I was never impressed with Ryan Fitzpatrick, other than his ability to chuck it downfield to TO a couple times. To me, you can get rid of Lee Evans and bring in some more versatile receivers, paired with a stronger running game/o-line, and Edwards looks all the better.

by JjR in TO on Mar 15, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you

Trent was a victim of a poorly thought out offenive strategy. He had no blocking and people around him jumping offsides more than I care to remember.

Build up the line, run the ball and be the tough nosed team that they need to be.

by Jean Rasczak on Mar 15, 2010 6:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Peyton

He has had the same OC and system for his whole career. 12 years of the same system. Edwards has had 4 OCs in 3 years. How can he develop with no consistent coaching?

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by Deadpool71 on Mar 15, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s exactly it! I don’t think any QB could be a great success on a football team that changes its offensive coordinator or gameplan either after a season or in the middle of it. I mean last year both happened and through it all, Edwards has been made the scapegoat. He needs to be given the confidence and knowledge, and I believe Chan will doe this, that it is his team and that he’s the starter. I think if he plays every game without having to worry about losing his job if he doesn’t play well (and some can argue that he has said it doesn’t effect him, but he is human and he has been aware of that) he will lose the job. Look at when we started 5-1. He was the starter, he wasn’t the starter until further notice.

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t see any significance in that a weak, career backup like Ryan Fitzpatrick clearly outplayed Edwards under very same circumstances? Personally, the fact that all of the vets on the team were clearly pining for a marginal QB like Fitzpatrick is wildly significant in evaluating Edwards, bad hand dealt or not.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwards had a better QB rating, completion percentage, he had less interceptions per attempt. Fitz had 44 more pass attempts than Trent, but only completed 17 more passes and threw for only 250 more yards. When you consider the fact that Trent only played 6 full games, I simply can’t agree with the claim Fitz clearly outplayed Trent. Fitz played in 9 full games (and I’m including the Jets OT game). And Fitz didn’t exactly play in the same system as Edwards. And with the exception with the joke game against the Colts, Fitz didn’t have one multiple touchdown game. Edwards it the Better QB.

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, in the last 5 games he started, Edwards’ offense produced 0 (saints), 1 (dolphins), 0 (browns), 0 (jets), 2 (titans) touchdowns (and that 2 TD breakout against Tennessee was inflated by Fred Jackson’s wildcat touchdown)…it says something to me that a QB as bad as Fitzpatrick was the choice of the players last season…that decent start to 2008 is a minor blip on a vast body of subpar work by Edwards over the course of three seasons.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well as I said, I’m not counting the game against the Jets since he played the first series and was knocked out. And i noticed you chose not to include the solid games they had against the Pats and the Bucs. I just simply cannot agree with the sentiment that Fitz is the superior QB. He’s definitely a guy with a far greater upside, he’s got a better arm, and he’s more accurate. The only advantage Fitz has is that he’s more mobile. If given the choice between Fitz and Edwards to lead the Bills in the future, I’m not sure how anyone can choose Fitz.

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I choose neither

I mena really, botth of them are to put it politely, less than inspiring choices.

by mob16151 on Mar 15, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edward’s ‘09 stats are a bit misleading. Without checking(and I’m sure someone will) I’d guess that Trent’s completion numbers were artificially boosted by his large number of checkdown passes in the backfield to running backs. If the ball doesn’t cross the LOS in the air, it shouldn’t count as a pass IMO.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I agree with that, but its hard to air it out when you can’t really run and you have a man in your face milliseconds after the ball is snapped. That is where Fitz’s mobility did play to a strength, but not enough to make him clearly better than Trent.

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fit’s read and react function was far superior to Trent’s. He just couldn’t hit his target on a regular basis. Trent had a hard time even unloading from the shotgun, that’s pretty sad.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m definitely not advocating more of Fitzpatrick; I’d can them both if it was up to me. They were both bad last year, but the offense was a little more NFL-esque under Fitzpatrick which the team’s players and post-Jauron coaches all seemed to conclude as well.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well unfortunately I see one of them entering the season as starter. I agree that the offense ran a little smoother under Fitz, but that can be contributed to multiple factors beyond the QB. However, I think that Edwards is more of a NFL-esque QB. His biggest problem has been inept coaching and a terrible O-Line that’s gotten to his head. Fitz sat as a back up before he was inserted after Carson Palmer’s injury so he’s definitely more mentally tough, but I think Trent Edwards with confidence is a better option than Fitz with confidence.

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

Our QB’s our so bad, I’d rather start Brooks Bollinger, or Jim Sorgi then probably anyone on our roster.

by mob16151 on Mar 15, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

* SLAP * :-)

That was me knocking some sense into you… sorry.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 15, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well... that and the drinking.

Jets fans eat street meat. Fins fans get a tan. Pats fans get championships.

We’re Bills fans, we drink. ;-)

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

street meat?

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hot dog venders. Never know whats in that stuff ;-)

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah o.k., southeast Asia has tasty street meat vendors, but still mostly unidentifiable.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hence the name ;-)

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love how the result of me calling us all drunks is a question on what street meat is. Absolutly no objection to the drinking ;-)

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 16, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brohm still needs a chance to fail miserably like the other two. I’m really curious about what Gailey can make out of these guys. I’m hoping he gets it figured out in time to find another solution, if need be. I’m gonna give the coaches the benefit of the doubt about QB potential.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i do believe that gailey should be able to squeeze an improved season out of one or more of these guys

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

an improved season out of one or more of these guys

Let’s hope it’s one of them, because if were playing musical QB’s again, well that would be very dissapointing.

by mob16151 on Mar 15, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree. that’s been one of the biggest problems we’ve had. we don’t tell a guy, “hey youre our starter for the year, go at it.” its been more like, “youre our starter until further notice.” but that starts with the o-line, each year the “musical QB’s” has started bc the o-line hasnt held up and the guy that we started with has gotten hurt, his fill-in performs admirably and there we are again. its been like this for more years than i’d care to count.

by tlama2517 on Mar 15, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Thats been the Bills MO since Kelly retired.

by mob16151 on Mar 15, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwards one of the lowest-paid players on the Bills

shocking, considering the was the starting QB for several years.
$465,000 in 2009
Fitzpatrick made just shy of $3 million

by ccthemovieman on Mar 15, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

shocking, considering the was the starting QB for several years.
$465,000 in 2009

you get what you pay for!

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 15, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you 2 implying???

that if we paid Edwards more, he would produce more???
Cause that’s sure what that sounds like….

by Cinga on Mar 15, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cause that’s sure what that sounds like….

hhahaah – no.

poor attempt at humor i guess…..

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 16, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm honestly comfortable with a 3-way competition.

It’s stupid to just get rid of Edwards when he does have significant upside at little or no cost. He’s also got absolutely no leverage contract-wise. I BILLieve that Brohm will earn the starting gig if given ample opportunity to compete legitimately. He’s the most prototypical of a frachise QB of the three and apparently works his a$$ off. I don’t think there’s anyone worth drafting beyond round 1 other than Tebow and Snead. I don’t think there’s any way that Tebow makes it past JAX in the 2nd round, and I wouldn’t feel comfortable taking him until late Rd 2 or Rd 3 when our pick comes up.

by live6453 on Mar 15, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t mind the idea of Edwards as starter. We simply have to many other needs. I say cut Fitz. We already know his limits. Maybe bring in an older QB to teach,(Garcia?) and draft for everything else. NT, OT, DE, WR ect. Keep Brome as third or 2nd string, see what we have with those two, and address QB in the next draft.

"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak

by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 15, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows, one of them may work out, and we wont need to draft a QB next year…

"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak

by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 15, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

From the start I felt TE was going to be special.

But I started to realize all he would have to overcome.

The first red flag was here at Rumblings, when I read a comment that showed his injury history. I can’t recall who wrote that, but this is from wiki (regarding college:)

“…began 2003 behind starter Chris Lewis. After an impressive showing as a back up, Edwards got the start for four games, but was then sidelined with a shoulder injury for the rest of the season. In 2004, Edwards was the starter, but again suffered injuries that knocked him out of two games and kept him out of two others entirely. In 2006, Edwards was the starter for the first seven games, but suffered a season-ending broken foot against Arizona…”
And I need not mention his injuries since joining the Bills.

The second red flag was the apparent lack of confidence from the WR’s, as we saw the response when Fitz took over last year.

The more interviews I watch with TE, the less genuine he appears, and while I hardly care about that, he needs all the intangibles in the world to be a successful QB in Buffalo. I don’t care if he plays next season, but I can’t get on board with anyone who predicts he will stay healthy enough, or be enough of a leader, to make the team better.

a.k.a. Undee

by Undee on Mar 15, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

And you know what else?

When he did play, he lost more often than he won. And he was given a pass because “he didn’t have the talent around him.” Bu that just gave him an out to accept losing. Guess what, he doesn’t have the talent around him here either and so has accepted losing.

by mcmaurer on Mar 15, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

hindsight

Trent was a victim of a poorly thought out offensive strategy. He had no blocking

Edwards has had 4 OCs in 3 years. How can he develop with no consistent coaching?

Seem like logical observations to me.

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by fansince60 on Mar 15, 2010 8:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Aaron Rodgers seems to function quite well behind a statistically more dysfunctional line. just saying.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

so does Roethlisberger

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 15, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

correct, but Rodgers does it from a collapsing pocket more often. Ben plays street ball, sorta like Fitz but with accurate chucks

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you compare "lines"

when we started 12 different variations of a line, just last year alone. over the course of 3years we went through 4 ocs, and change blocking schemes and assignments as well as where players were located, while battling through near record setting injuries 2 years running. i mean, what would big ben or rodgers do in that circumstance? because that doesn’t resemble their NFL experiences at all.

FS Jairus Byrd aka the Buffalo Bills' Silver Lining

by Ren Diggity on Mar 15, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

how’s this for a comparison? Sacks taken, Bills 46, GB 51. Passing yards, Bills 2500, GB 4200. TD/INT, Bills 17/19, GB 30/8. Passer ratings, Bills 71.7, GB 101.8

Don’t know if you watched and of Green Bay’s games, but Rodgers spent more time on his back than ANY QB in the NFL, yet still managed to be the 4th highest rated QB in the league and finished with 4th most passing touchdowns.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the bright side, Aaron Rodgers college QB coach(George Cortez) is now the Bills new QB coach.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets go ahead and call that a win for us, shall we?

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

gotta find whatever sliver of hope exists :-) Rodgers certainly doesn’t exhibit any ill effects from being a California native. Maybe it’s because Rodgers comes from the mountain area and Trent lived near the beach.

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by dzil on Mar 15, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should tell him to pretend the ball is a surf board.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 15, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

undeniable

FS Jairus Byrd aka the Buffalo Bills' Silver Lining

by Ren Diggity on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

What options do the Bills have?

Other than a trade for McNabb, which will never happen, or the Bills drafting a Q.B., in which they have more pressing needs, the Bills need to first and foremost build a solid offensive line that they can build around. One which learns to play together and avoid injuries. Edwards had no time to throw last year and I don’t know if he can still be a decent Q.B., but until we build a good line, what does it matter who plays Q.B. – Look at the Jets – Prime example!

by BuffaloWhiner on Mar 16, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Edwards as ....

of now has to be the starter. Let’s be honest – the Bills could have Joe Namath or Fran Tarkenton back there and they would both have problems with the O-line that they have.

by Muscle-Dolphin on Mar 16, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

If Chan and Buddy went into the season, through camp and the preseason, and told me Trent was the best guy to win football games I would be 100% behind him.

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