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Report: Dwan Edwards failed two NFL physicals

New understanding has come to light in regards to the enigmatic free agency period experienced by new Buffalo Bills defensive end Dwan Edwards. Aaron Wilson of the Carroll County Times reports that Edwards, who had free agent visits with Denver and Seattle as free agency opened in early March, did not receive contract offers because he failed those teams' physicals.

Wilson also reports that the Baltimore Ravens, for whom Edwards played for six years, withdrew a contract offer because Edwards would not have neck surgery.

Edwards missed the entirety of the 2008 season with a neck injury. For that injury, Edwards underwent a procedure in which a disc was removed and replaced with one from a cadaver. His C3 and C4 vertebrae were then fused. Edwards bounced back to play 16 regular-season games and two post-season games in 2009, and does not believe that further surgery is necessary.

ProFootballTalk.com's coverage of this story mentions that because of these developments, the signing includes a certain risk for Buffalo despite Edwards' playing abilities, his healthy 2009 season and his youth (he's not yet 29). My response to that would be this: if Edwards passed a Bills physical administered by Dr. Andrew Cappuccino, the man who prevented TE Kevin Everett's paralysis, I don't see much in the way of risk. Cappuccino is widely considered a leading expert in the spinal field.

Edwards signed a four-year, $18 million deal with Buffalo on Wednesday. He'll likely emerge as a starting defensive end in the team's new 3-4 defense.

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Big risk…. I am not sure if that means we got a bit of a steal or not, but we might have gotten a bad apple in the hopes that something positive can come out of it… we’ll see

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by killascript on Mar 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

make mine a double espresso, thank you.

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by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting information.

i’m sure chix and company knew about this going into the interview and everything. if he signed, that means he passed a physical, right? so there shouldn’t be too much to worry about.

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by the_prophet on Mar 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, unless this was the Bills version of the "Armageddon" physical......desperate times call for desperate measures ?????
Dr. Banks: [going through the roughnecks’ medical reports] Fail. Fail. Depressively fail! One toxicology analysis revealed ketamin, that is a very powerful sedative!
Harry: Sedatives are used all the time, doctor.
Dr. Banks: Well this one’s used on horses.
Harry: Some of these guys are pretty big.
Dr. Banks: [to Truman] You know, it would normally take 18 months to psychologically prepare pre-screened, viable subjects for space travel. We have seen evidence of a wide fariety of territorial aggression.
Dan: Can they physically survive the trip? That’s all I need to know here, okay?
Dr. Banks: Personally, I don’t know how they survived the tests.

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

insert unspecific remembrance of doctor going drilling too here

by quantumuprising on Mar 18, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My response to that would be this: if Edwards passed a Bills physical administered by Dr. Andrew Cappuccino, the man who prevented TE Kevin Everett’s paralysis, I don’t see much in the way of risk. Cappuccino is widely considered a leading expert in the spinal field.

This

not only that – but it’s not like the guy didn’t play last year. He played a ton and started 10 games including playoff games.

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by J2 on Mar 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 18, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, I think the other teams shied away from his contract demands and used his injury to claim that he failed his physical

Its not like this is being done in the open, I think the Bills just got a steal.

As J2 noted, Cap signed off on him, and he did play ALL of their fames last season.

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by WABillsfan on Mar 18, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

After what Dr. Andrew did with Everett I am inclined to trust him. Also last year Edwards only didn’t start games in the beginning of the year – as the year went on his playing time increased, which leads me to believe his neck wasn’t a problem.
I mean the guys play speaks for itself – his regular season he proved to be a solid DE taking up blockers stopping the run, and in the playoffs he had a sack and returned a fumble for a TD…
The other positive is he is going to have a big chip on his shoulder, which I always like…
End note – worth the risk.

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by Ghetts on Mar 18, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Worth the risk.....to who????

A lot of people have talked about Everett and the risk to the Bills, but nobody seems to be worried about the risk to Edwards. I hope the Bills doctors are making the best decision with his health in mind. I would rather he had the surgery, even if it meant he wouldn’t play for the Bills this year. Why do these other doctors think there is a problem and why do the Bills disagree? We have nothing to make an informed decision on. Why wouldn’t you want to fix the problem? It isn’t smart to screw with your neck.

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

exactly. at least it didnt take too long for someone to mention this. i mean there is risk for the bills, but its edwards life. i hope he knows what he is doing, and i hope he understands his limitations. that all said, no signing is without their risks. i think edwards can be a good piece to this front 7 for the next 4 years until Chix can draft his own players to fill in the gaps. right now he fills a very important role.

who else is thinking kindle or morgan in the first after RIP058’s post?

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you feel that you have to make an informed decision. I thought that was all up to the Bills.

by Bob on Mar 18, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like to be as informed as I can before I give my opinion.....but that is just me :-)

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly he wants to play, and I am sure his doctors cleared him to play football, because if they didn’t we would have heard that story.

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by Ghetts on Mar 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe, every doctor is different. They all have their own agenda. I never agree that because one says to have surgery, that they’re always the ones to trust.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 18, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree....I would just like more details

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The decision is partly Edwards’, too, and part of the reason he left Baltimore was because they wanted him to have further surgery, while the doc who fixed Edwards up the first time told him he’d be able to play with no further risk.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 18, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets not forgot that spinal surgery itself is a risk too. Any type of surgery, even the mundane like an appendectomy, comes with risk anywhere from an infection to a botched procedure. Doctors are not infallible and can make mistakes after all. I can understand Edwards not wanting to go back down the road of having his spine operated on again.

Even after the surgery is done, he would still have to miss significant time to rehab from the surgery. Taking into account the tough guy attitude most pro football player have, I can understand Edwards not wanting to spend that much time rehabbing again, especially in what is supposed to be the prime of his career. The time spent rehabbing also brings a lot of mental stress at not being able to do everyday tasks, which can be especially frustrating too.

There are just too many factors to account for in his decision to not want to have surgery again. Even if we didnt sign him, he was not going to have surgery, so i guess we will just have to cross our fingers and hope it works out for Edwards and the Bills both

by SamD8n on Mar 18, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

i mean, are we really all triffling over the risk of a player injured? that surely hasn’t happened in the recent history of this team… no injuries impacting here. every single player on the field is one snap away from retirement. always. i mean, a neck injury is a huge deal, but also, as SamD8n points out, the surgery is not without risk. his playing ability and versatility, team attitude, and familiarity with a winning ballclub is worth every bit of “additional risk” he would present. IMO.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 18, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

He risks injury playing almost as much as he risks injury going under the knife.

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by sireric on Mar 18, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He also doesn't get his money if he goes under the knife now

Who exactly would have signed him to a nice contract?

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by Kurupt on Mar 18, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point K

I think its fine, I mean, he played 18 games last season and reported no issues. His personal doc, including the guy who worked on him say fine along with Cap, I see no issues.

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by WABillsfan on Mar 18, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not saying it is an issue.....I don't know either way

And I understand the money argument. It just makes me nervous that 3 team doctors said he should have surgery and pass on him because of it. Let’s not get so full of ourselves that we think the Bills doctors know more than everyone else. Maybe they are right, but I think the question is a valid one. What exactly do these doctors think needs to be done, how risky is it, and how long a rehab would we be talking about? Also, let’s not pretend that Edwards would be going to the local HMO if he decided to get this surgery. He odds are substantially better than ours would be.

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe there’s more to the story. such as, the other teams docs simply deferred to the ravens doc who recommended another operation. not many docs willing to take a stand against another, especially when a man’s life is possibly at stake. I choose to ride with whatever Cappuccino says. His resume speaks for itself.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Highly unlikely, IMO
other teams docs simply deferred to the ravens doc

If I found out that is what my team doc did, I would fire his a$$ for not doing his job.

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

rather be fired than face a multi-million dollar malpractice suit, which is my point.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is why they have insurance.....not an issue

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

certainly is an issue – their premiums skyrocket when they have suits filed against them. they take that very seriously

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by J2 on Mar 18, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you think a doctor is not going to give his opinion about a neck injury

because he is afraid of a law suit? Then why bother being a doctor in that field? At some point you are going to have to make a call like that. Do you really think if something happens that the Defense Attorney is not going to be able to find a doctor that has the opposite opinion? Doctors have lawsuits filed against them all the time, it is if they are found negligent that the problem comes in.

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have no opinion on this because I don’t know specifics other than he played last year. my point was that doctors take malpractice suits very seriously – that was all

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by J2 on Mar 19, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s just ludicrous right there.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it is not.....see above

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is no way that some NFL “sports doctor” is gonna lay his ass on the line to dispute a spinal surgeon. ain’t happening, friend. That IS the definition of being negligent. Even if the other teams got an opinion from a specialist, the odds of him looking at some charts and then disputing the opinion of the surgeon who actually performed the procedure are enormous. In the Bills case, they have the luxury of deferring to a man who happens to be one of the best in the business.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some sports doctor??????

Wouldn’t it the the opinion of two spinal surgeons?

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s the whole premise of my original response. That the two other teams docs may have just agreed with the opinion of the original surgeon. Regardless, I still maintain that it’s very unlikely for another doctor to dispute the opinion of the doctor who actually performed the original surgery.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

but the recover is separate from the surgery

and it could have been damaged again during the course of the season, correct?

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

could be. maybe Cappuccino has some treatment options that the others aren’t aware of. He is a pioneer in this sort of thing.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that is what I would like to hear if that is the case

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And let me ask you this

God forbid anything happens to Edward’s neck on the field, but if it does, do you really think there will not be a law suit?

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hard to say. One could always argue that the original surgeon screwed up. Everyone on the field is at risk of an Everett type of injury. I just have to trust that Cappuccino knows best.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

those are unforeseeable....this one is not
I just have to trust that Cappuccino knows best.

And that is what it really comes down to. Like I said in the beginning I would just like to know why he thinks Edwards is OK and the other doctors are wrong.

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I’m sure someone will ask him.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one would have touched him if he had to sit out another year. One neck surgery is an acceptable risk, two neck surgeries is serious cause for concern. He would have probably never player in the NFL again (outside of a very cheap contract from Baltimore).

I think that if he trusts his doctors and knows the risks and still says that he’s fina (as well as his doctors) then let him play.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 19, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people have talked about Everett and the risk to the Bills, but nobody seems to be worried about the risk to Edwards.

I personally don’t worry about the risk to Edwards. He know’s more about his situation then I ever will. And as a grown man if he’s ok with it, I am to.

by mob16151 on Mar 18, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't see how that matters
And as a grown man if he’s ok with it, I am to.

Grown men make bad decision all the time….see Tiger Woods…..sometimes you have to protect people from their own poor judgment (drunk drivers). If Edwards gets hurt it will affect more than him……he has a family. It is bad enough when unforeseeable and unpreventable injuries happen, like with Everett. I really don’t want to see Edwards lying motionless on the field.

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grown men make bad decision all the time

You forgot the first part of my quote. He knows more about the situation then I or you ever will. And that Tiger analogy was horrible. Just sayin.

by mob16151 on Mar 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

More specifically

I feeled to see the connection between Tiger Woods alleged sex addicition, and a guy playing football after a serious neck injury, after most definetly consulting with Dr’s about it.

by mob16151 on Mar 18, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

failed* not feeled

I’m special illiterate today

by mob16151 on Mar 18, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel Tigers’ connection too. lol

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by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

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by fansince60 on Mar 18, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWTS

That’s what they said.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Mar 18, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha did you catch the latest Southpark?

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by bflo on Mar 18, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

no man, I don’t have cable, so I have to hulu it or something… was it good?

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by NeverendingOptimism on Mar 18, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha youll have to. It was a “sex addict” episode and starring Tiger Woods and Ben Rothl…burger

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by bflo on Mar 18, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

www.southparkstudios.com

sometimes you have to wait 2 weeks. They got sick of illegally downloading their own episodes so they put the site out. every full episode ever – great great site.

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by J2 on Mar 18, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

“What? Where’s the fighting? Golf is boring again”

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 18, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

golf might be o.k. Maybe Tiger will suck at golfing with blue balls.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy sparky
I feeled to see the connection between Tiger Woods alleged sex addicition, and a guy playing football after a serious neck injury,

It was just an example of a grown man making a poor decision that had a negative effect on his career and family. Don’t read to much into it.

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Problem

Apparently I was feeling strongly about something at the time, lol

by mob16151 on Mar 20, 2010 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The question I have is in regards to why he was playing last year all season as well as in the playoffs. If he’s not going to pass a physical to play football now because he didn’t have neck surgery, why was he allowed to play last season? If anyone is questioning the Bills taking on the risk, why aren’t the Ravens held accountable for letting him play last year without the extra surgery. Seems hypocritical to me.

by Fucilli5 on Mar 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Legal and moral are not always the same thing

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by Joe P. on Mar 18, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, you hit my point on the head, the Ravens feel he needed more surgery…(you know, just to make sure he’s alright after the stress of the past season that they let him play)…but that it wasn’t going to stop him from playing last season, especially down the stretch. And yes, I see MRW’s point as well.

by Fucilli5 on Mar 18, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could have developed after taking the beating of an 18 game schedule. Could have.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 18, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Emergency analysis is different than preventative and recovery. We have had the worst injury situation in the league for a reason. Just bc Cappuccino did one wonderful thing for Everett does not mean he is actually a good diagnostic specialist.

by Berg79 on Mar 18, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Depends though.

Who actually gave the physical? Dr. John Marzo is the team doctor not Cappuccino. Dr. Leslie Bisson is also a staff orthopedist. Would it make sense to have Cappuccino see Edwards? Being that his spine is his specialty? Yes, yes it would. Does that mean the Bills made that happen? Your guess is as good as mine. Does that even mean Cappuccino was around to administer the physical? He’s a real doctor with a real (and major) practice.

Don’t forget, John McCargo was once a Indianapolis Colt until they found a problem with his spine.

by twoeightnine on Mar 18, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought I read that the spine speciaist checked it out in one of the things I read. Specifically the “spine specialist”.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 18, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew Brees failed his physical with Miami

Which is how he ended up with the Saints. Rest is history.

Just sayin…

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Haha! Miami. (In my best Nelson voice.)

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 18, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually he didn't.

The Dolphins low-balled him after a 6 hour physical that pissed Brees off. The Saints threw the entire city at Drew and that sealed the deal. The Dolphins were worried about his shoulder and weren’t willing to commit everything to him. He passed but the Dolphins thought Culpepper was less of a risk for future injury.

by twoeightnine on Mar 18, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He passed but the Dolphins thought Culpepper was less of a risk for future injury.

While it probably was a warranted concern (knee vs. shoulder), isn’t funny how that all worked out?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 18, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Pats faithful will one day find out if they have the stones to root for a team that doesn’t consist of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. They weren’t much to talk about prior to those 2 guys’ arrival, so I do understand why they’re so loud and excitable about their team.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 18, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buffalo's doctors vs the leauge's doctors

Buffalo traded McBusto to Indy a while back for something like a 4th rounder. He then failed Indy’s physical—something back related. Since then he’s passed at least one physical with Buffalo’s doctors and possibly more. Edwards failed physicals with two teams but passed one with Buffalo’s doctors. He almost certainly passed Baltimore’s end of year physical or they wouldn’t have offered him a contract at all.

Could Buffalo (and maybe the Ravens) have doctors who somehow view neck/back issues differently than other teams’ doctors? Could that difference extend to player health generally? Could it be a factor in the ridiculous injury rates Buffalo has experienced over the past few seasons?

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by Ron From NM on Mar 18, 2010 3:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ron, I was thinking about much of what you said, but didn’t post about it. It is something to consider, but I don’t think the team would let him play if they thought his health and future were at obvious risk.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 18, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

reminds me of

the brees situation a while back he failed the dolphins physical due to him not being able to throw and passed the saints with the same bum arm different teams look at different areas in physicals and asses from there

I've never met a QB who can throw off his back

by Gpluehri on Mar 18, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does team doctors have different criteria for what they consider passing?

And what does a physical entail anyway? I hope it’s not like the football physicals I had to take in high school. Hated them except for the hernia check (ahem…just graduated female doctor).

by telka on Mar 18, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I was wondering that

I had a C4 to C7 fusion with a plate and 8 screws a year ago. Cannot sit straight up for more than about 5-10 minutes. Can’t play golf, fish, or much of anything. In my case, one graft didn’t take and I still have numbness, pain etc. How this guy can play football is beyond me. One bad hit or the graft breaks loose (they’re not supposed to) and he could be in real trouble.

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by fansince60 on Mar 18, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 discs fused

is not as limiting as having 4 discs fused I’m guessing. I have a family member with 2 fused discs L$ and L5 and he gets around just fine.

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by Will G on Mar 18, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

neck

is such a critical area for a football player. Helmet to helmet is hard to avoid on the line. Not downplaying lumbar problems but a neck can be pretty dicey.

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by fansince60 on Mar 18, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused

I’ve seen reports claiming he had C3/C4 fusion, but also reports that he had a cadaver disc insertion. Maybe he had both, but only makes sense if the used disc went somewhere else along his spine.

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by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

the procedure involves cutting out the disk. C3-4 is one space (between the bottom of vertebrae 3 and the top of 4). They replace the cut out disc with cadaver bone that has been sterilized and anchor it to the two vertebrae creating the “fusion”.

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by fansince60 on Mar 18, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, thanks. what confused me is that it was reported they replaced the disc. that’s what made me wonder. Disc replacement preserves spinal mobility and, whereas vertebral fusion does not. I assume the original problem was a compressed or ruptured disc.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

just fyi, cappuccino was the guy who did the evaluation. article here: http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/11704/bills-de-edwards-has-something-to-prove

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by NeverendingOptimism on Mar 18, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Brian, I don't mean to critique

But you wrote that Dr. Cappuccino is “widely considered a leading expert in the spinal field.” Do you have any sources for this?

I also don’t mean to dismiss the efforts and success he had with Kevin Everett, but I haven’t read anywhere that Cappuccino is a leading expert in the field — just that he and his team had recently attended training on the techniques used to treat Everett.

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by Mark Parisi on Mar 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

The procedure that Cappuccino used on Everett had never before been used in a similar situation and was credited with saving Everett.

Dr. Barth Green, chairman of the department of neurological surgery at the University of Miami school of medicine, agrees with the prognosis. “I don’t know if I would call it a miracle. I would call it a spectacular example of what people can do,” Green said. “To me, it’s like putting the first man on the moon or splitting the atom. We’ve shown that if the right treatment is given to people who have a catastrophic injury that they could walk away from it.”

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand this

But that doesn’t make him widely considered a leading expert. Dr. Green is talking about the procedure there — not Dr. Cappuccino.

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by Mark Parisi on Mar 19, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dr. Green was talking specifically about Dr. Cappuccino. Green and his researchers had theorized that the procedure could work, but it had never been used to limit spinal swelling due to traumatic injury before.

by dzil on Mar 19, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

and from wikipedia
Dr. Cappuccino teaches spine surgery techniques internationally, and has operated in Europe, South America, Australia, and in Asia and Africa as a guest spine surgeon. He has authored scientific and medical articles and textbooks about spine surgery.

by dzil on Mar 18, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

is this any better?

Dr. Cappuccino has done more disk replacement surgeries than any other surgeon in the U.S. His background consists of an undergraduate education in biomedical engineering at John Hopkins University, a residency in Orthopedic Surgery at the University of Buffalo medical school, then a return to John Hopkins to complete specialty training in spine surgery. He is one of the first surgeons to be certified by the American Board of Spine Surgery and continues to be an investigator in numerous studies and trials dedicated to improving spinal surgery outcomes and technologies. Dr. Cappuccino not only teaches specialized spine surgery techniques internationally, but has operated on five continents as well.

by dzil on Mar 19, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if he consulted Dr Jack Shepard?

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by Kurupt on Mar 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of which, why no Lost post up this week?

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 19, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brian must not have liked the episode

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by Kurupt on Mar 19, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just forgot.

We’ll combine them next week or something.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 19, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Cappucino cleared him then we`re all good!

I have more faith in him evaluating neck problems than anyone one else in the NFL.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 19, 2010 2:13 AM EDT reply actions  

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