Thursday is tender deadline
by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2010 3:31 PM EST
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PrintAs the end of the current league year approaches this weekend and free agency looms, the Bills and the rest of the NFL have decisions to make about many players who have less than six years of experience on an NFL roster. This Thursday is the deadline to tag Exclusive Rights Free Agents (ERFA, those with less than three years experience) and Restricted Free Agents (RFAs, those with less than six). For the first time ever there are different levels of resitricted free agency, though, as the uncapped year rules comes into effect. Here's how it affects some Bills currently on the roster (tender figures courtesy BuffaloBills.com).
Players with one or two years of experience
Marcus Buggs, Jon Corto, Christian Gaddis, Justice Hairston, Cary Harris, Jonathan Stupar
These players are what you consider Exclusive Rights Free Agents. They signed a one or two-year contract as undrafted or regular free agents and that contract has expired. If the Bills offer the player a new contract for the league minimum the player cannot sign with another team. The league minimum for 2010 is $325k.
Players with three years of experience
Derek Schouman and Jonathan Scott
These players entered the league in 2007 NFL draft but signed a three year or shorter contract. Schouman was a seventh-round selection and Scott a fifth. Hypothetically, if the Bills sign one of the players to a second-round tender, another team could beat the Bills contract offer. In that case the Bills could match the offer or opt to take the second-round pick of the new team. Original round refers to when the player was originally drafted.
Tenders for RFAs with three years experience
Original draft pick tender (round in which player was selected) - $1.101M
Second-round tender - $1.684M
First-round tender - $2.396M
First and third-round tender - $3.043M
Keith Ellison, Gibran Hamdan, Richie Incognito, Joe Klopfenstein, George Wilson and Ashton Youboty
The 2006 NFL draft produced some players Buffalo might certainly want to keep around. Ellison was a sixth-rounder, Youboty and Incognito were third-round selections, Klopfenstein was drafted in the second round, and Wilson and Hamdan were both undrafted signees. If the Bills signed one of them to the lowest tender a team could beat the Bills offer and they would get nothing in return.
Tenders for RFAs with four years experience
Original draft pick tender - $1.176M
Second-round tender - $1.759M
First-round tender - $2.521M
First and third-round tender - $3.168M
Players with five years of experience
None
The Bills have no players that have been here five seasons without a new contract but I will give you the numbers in case they sign a RFA with that level.
Tenders for RFAs with five years experience
Original draft pick tender - $1.226M
Second-round tender - $1.849M
First-round tender - $2.621M
First and third-round tender - $3.268M
With all that being said the Bills could choose to sign one of these players to a longer and more lucrative contract. It has been rumored at Buffalo Sports Daily that George Wilson falls into this category. Teams can also take their chances, not tender a player, and hope nobody else tries to sign him. With the amounts were talking about that generally doesn't happen, though. As always, we'll keep you informed if/when the tenders are made.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
This roster needs a complete over haul, and I don’t think any of these guys (not including Wilson or Incognito) could fill a roster spot for any team in this league.
When I see these players I’m just reminded to how bad our scouting and front office has been in the last 4-5 years.
Maybe I’m wrong. I don’t know but when I read this article I was playing GM in my head and was saying to myself “No, No, No, No,” etc etc… As I read of each player.
George Wilson is a great guy, he played very well for us but he isn’t someone I’d get upset over if he left. Like when Josh Reed and Ryan Denney where let go.
Just my opinion, that’s all.
"It took twenty five years to get there, and they did it in championship style" - Van Miller 1/20/91.
by Michael_Necci on Mar 2, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
only guys worth keeping are Incognito, just cuz he wasn’t scouted by us and our O-line is depleted and horrible, Scott, because he is a good player. George Wilson my friend probably had the best year of any Bill in my opinion. He made every tackle and was in on almost every play. I believe he had 4 or 5 picks too which isn’t too shabby. There was a reason he was playing over Whitner and it wasn’t because of just his injury. They started to move whitner to nickel corner cuz of how well Wilson was playing
and for the record you’re right, this team does need a total over haul but if we keep any of the players it should be incognito, Wilson and Scott.
They started to move whitner to nickel corner cuz of how well Wilson was playing
Didn’t the injuries to McGee and McKelvin have a lot to do with that?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Nice Article..However:
I don’t see any player on that list worth keeping. Including George Wilson.
Sorry.
"It took twenty five years to get there, and they did it in championship style" - Van Miller 1/20/91.
Care to explain why?
Wilson was arguably our best all-around safety last year….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Wow. I would say George Wilson is well worth the $1.759M 2nd round tender. Incognito, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Definately.
Incognito is very worth the money, as a veteran on the line, and a very skilled player. He did awesome the couple games he played at buffalo (and stayed out of trouble most importantly). Hes a guy they can build these younger linemen around and make it a very decent O line….finally.
Wilson aint bad either.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 2, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
it’s just cool nowadays to say that you think every player on the bills beyond byrd, jackson, and maybe levitre is bad. covers up for actually knowing anything about the game =)
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Agreed, I think Scott and Cogs need to get hit with 2nd round tags
And we need to look at Corto and Harris could possibly get an ERFA, heck we could ERFA the whole gang and cut those later we don’t want, at 325k apiece they’re cheap.
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Scott? Really?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
I’d give Scott a third rounder tender.
The more I see, the les I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
There is no third round tender. You could give him his original round, fifth, and pay him $1.1M which I wouldn’t be against. If you go to the 2nd round tender it’s 1.684M and he’s not worth that.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ok original round tender it is.
The more I see, the les I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I meant Wilson
Dang was I tired last night
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Yeah I imagine WIlson will get a second or first round tender.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
how is richie not a signee?
i mean the bills need depth, and at least richie can give the bills depth if/when wood is out for the beginning of the season….
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 2, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to tender...
…Richie Incognito. I think he can be tendered at a low price and would be good for depth. I think this would be a smart move.
Well, if we did an original draft pick tender, we would at least get a third for him
The issue is we can’t really surrender any more OLine depth of players who we can actually use..
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
We need Incognito
would love to have Wilson as well
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Youboty was a fourth-round selection
from buffalobills.com
Drafted by the Bills with the 6th pick in the third round of the 2006 Draft (70th overall)…was the second player selected from the Ohio State University by the Bills in day one, joining Donte Whitner, the team’s 8th overall choice in the first round.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
Yup my mistake. I mixed him up with McGee in my brain.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of manky players here :-)
Carry Harris looks like a good value at $325k. To keep Incognito and Schouman, I’m guessing it would take a 2nd round tender for Richie, and an original round for Derek.?.
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Depends
If the Bills either feel some other team would sign Incognito in exchange for a 3rd rounder, or really want to keep him around, then they’ll probably tender at the 2nd round level. I would guess they end up doing an original round tender and take their chances. If some teams wants him, they’ll probably gladly take a 3rd rounder for a guy they picked up for a handful of games. Not a bad deal if that happens.
Schouman, coming off the severe injury, will most definitely get the original round tender. I can’t envision any team giving up even the 7th rounder required in that case for a guy rehabbing an injury like his….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
And schouman is too small, we need an in-line blocker TE
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Schouman is worth his weight at TE. He is more valuable than most Rumblers give him credit for. He could be the Kyle Williams of the 2010 squad.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think tenderizing Cogs is a good idea, with his background I see a 3rd making most teams stay away, and the Bills getting a 3rd in return really wouldn’t be that bad – the difference would be $600k to go to a second though – is he worth it?
I really want Wilson to stay, and hopefully come Thursday his deal will be set, if it isn’t I am guessing he would get a 2nd round tendorizing.
They might tendorize Scott, but I see the Bills really trying to make some moves on OT this offseason, and may just let him test the waters, a 5th in return I don’t think is worth it…
Schouman I don’t see being tendored or going to another team for that matter, he probbaly comes back on a 2yr deal though.
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
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I think tenderizing Cogs is a good idea
Should we marinate him after? :)
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
hahahahahha!!!!
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by poz on Mar 2, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Just send him to Jauron for a week or two......seemed to make our players plenty tender.
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
hahahahahahahahahaah!!!!!!!
i cant believe the tenderizing has spurned on this many laughs. Phew, Im crying tears of laughter…..
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Mar 2, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Are we going to grill him, or use him for Incognito Cordon Blue?
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
The league minimum for 2010 is $325k.
sighs – i’m in the wrong business
We got the tools, we got the talent
Man I thought the same thing.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Thats actually lower than any other pro sport in north america too.
The more I see, the les I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
My wish list
Minimum offer
Jonathan Stupar
Original draft pick tender
Jonathan Scott
Ashton Youboty (only for trade bait)
Second round tender
Richie Incognito
George Wilson
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Gotta keep Shou also...
with only Nelson signed for next year, we need more bodies… Otherwise, good list…
I prefer Stupar to Schouman who IMO is too small. My ultimate preference would be to secure Stupar for the minimum for depth then go get either Brandon Manumaleuna (UFA) or Matt Spaeth RFA (he has not been tendered yet)
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
I know you have season tickets, kesh, but I can’t understand how you saw Stupar as a better player at TE. I understand Schouman is undersized, but IMO he has the technique to equalize that. And then he knows how to find a little spot in the coverage, and he has decent hands. Stupar was clutch when he got open, so I see the reason for the love, but he looks like syrup from the fridge. (…mmm…syrup…)
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off subject: anyone have insights
on NT signing Marlon Favorite? 4 practice squads in 2 year not exactly sterling credentials.
"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
Marlon Favorite
6’1" 315 lbs. That’s what he measured in at the Combine last year.
He went undrafted last year out of LSU. He was a part-time starter for them, accumulating 28 tackles in each of his last two seasons, while taking part in a heavily rotated LSU front 4. He was inconsistent on the field and never put up big numbers, due in part to that part-time starter status, but was a good student and leader off the field. He’s a hard worker who never really lived up to his credentials coming into college. For a signing at this time, it’s a good move. I doubt he’s any kind of solution, but as a flier, maybe he’ll be able to help in the NT rotation.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Cool. Thanks K.
So he must have played next to Glen Dorsey? I want to say I remember his name, but im not sure, sounded familiar. Yeah I doubt he was brought in as the NT of the future, but we need depth as much as we need starters… not a bad signing. I wish he was a little taller and bigger, but beggers cant be choosers.
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"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
Fat, but works hard since people keep him around, has another 2 years of PS time
Well, if amounts to anything we got him for basically nada, if he doesn’t who cares?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Tender Cogs, Senator Wilson, The Shoe-Man, and maybe Cary Harris.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I say definitely tender all of those
as well as Youboty, Scott, and Stupar. Why not? We need bodies right now, so bringing some of these guys back for camp, at least, is a good move.
Cary Harris should be brought back simply because he deserves a shot to prove whether or not he can handle FS full time for us. Cheap too.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
right
in regards to Cary Harris, I think we need safety depth if Donte Whitner gets traded.
I really hated watching Jon Scott play, I just didnt think he deserved to be on the field. Why not just bring in a project with more upside who goes undrafted?
Youboty I can get on board with but at some point, an inability to get on the field isn’t depth anymore. I agree with you we need bodies, but Youboty is never a body.
Stupar makes sense if we don’t bring in another tight end, or if we’re not sure we want to bring one in. I can agree with that.
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by poz on Mar 2, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Youbuty is a body, a dead one it appears since he is never on the field, but maybe we need a placeholder on the roster?
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
NFL Free Agency
Is there anything more confusing in sports than NFL contracts? Does this mean that you can’t become a UFA until your 6th season in the league? I just don’t understand how a team can cut anybody at any time, yet the players can’t decide where they play till halfway through their career (if they’re lucky). Also, does anybody know if it would be a lockout or a strike that would be the reason for a work-stoppage in 2011?
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 2, 2010 8:29 PM EST reply actions
It is now 6 years for FA instead of 4 due to the uncapped year rules.
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
You don’t become a UFA until after your sixth season in the uncapped system.
If there is no football it would most likely be from an owners’ lockout.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
So have we actually tendered anyone yet?
The more I see, the les I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 10:17 AM EST reply actions
They may have but it hasn’t been announced yet.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
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