POLL: Which current Bills QB should start?
by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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The Buffalo Bills aren't content with their situation at quarterback. That much is obvious. The team has scheduled pre-draft workouts and interviews with a half-dozen quarterback prospects, and more could be on the way. Chan Gailey has said repeatedly that the team would address the position with at least one more body.
That said, it's unlikely any rookie will be handed the starting job, and with the veteran quarterback market essentially dried up, chances look good that one of the three quarterbacks currently on Buffalo's roster will be starting in 2010.
The question is simple, and it's below. We know you'll want to discuss other possibilities (like Donovan McNabb, as exhibit A), but we ask that you adhere to the spirit of the poll and at least mention why you voted for the player you voted for before imploring the team to take a different route. It's Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick or Brian Brohm, folks. Have at it.
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So I was the Fitzie vote.
And the reason I voted for him was just because of the 3, the games I enjoyed the most last season were the one’s he started. And if it can’t be him I’d have Brohm next. I would have voted for Brohm first, but realistically I don’t think he has much of a chance of starting.
i never really had much hope, but the games fitz was starting were all games i thought we had a chance to win.
by quantumuprising on Mar 22, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
is that because we played well, or because the other teams sucked?
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by the_prophet on Mar 22, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry, i meant going into the games…i had a better feeling about our slim chances of winning when fitz was scheduled to start
by quantumuprising on Mar 22, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted Fitzy
And I’m surprised at how many people voted otherwise to be honest. Of the three of them, Fitz is the most fitting to Gailey’s style and past qbs. He’s athletic, can make plays happen with his legs, and throws the best long ball of the three, by far. I would be happy never seeing Edwards on the field as a Buffalo Bill, aside from rendering the jersey I just bought of his last year useless. Edwards has no leadership, no competitive nature, coupled with his inability to anticipate receivers getting open, makes him a lost cause. His regression is so drastic, it would take a miracle to see that change in a seasons time. Brohm is still way too raw, no matter if we’re in a rebuilding state or not, we still need to remain competitive. And if he is our future, why would you want him to be trampled behind our offensive line? Give Fitzy the reigns. Of course he’s not our long term answer. But let him get run over this season while we either groom Brohm, a rookie qb, or wait til next year to draft one.
RE Fitzy
I’ll give you that Fitz is the most athletic and all, but he does not throw the best deep ball, NIMO, he just has the balls to heave it down the field more often, even though he rarely hits his man.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwards has no leadership, no competitive nature
-This is completely untrue. What about the games where Edwards led comebacks? What about when we played Kansas City and he sacrificed his body diving into the endzone?
by buffaloboy90 on Mar 22, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the Joe Gibbs game, he led a great comeback, I was alomst a believer, If I only knew.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 22, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That pass he threaded to Reed
That was a money throw.
I think Trent is capable if he isn’t getting his head bounced off the turf.
I think Trent lost his confidence in the OL, long before his teammates lost their confidence in Trent. I see Ryan Fitzpatrick as the second coming of Cade McNown. Cade was a horribly inaccurate passer, but Jauron won with him, because when you are throwing in the wind, sometimes the wind makes you look more accurate due to luck. See Bills vs. Colts game last year for Fitz.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking about that same pass, it was beautiful. Damn Adrian Wilson.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 23, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn Jauron.
If you can’t figure out how to shift the line to account for a blitzing safety.
I say that is on the coaching staff,
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
those calls are on the QB.
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 23, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. If you want to blame someone, blame Trent or Hardy. Hardy took a smidgeon too long to get off his break and Trent held the ball because he wanted to complete the pass. He could have thrown it away.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 23, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven’t you guys learned that everything was Jauron’s fault? He was even the second gunman on the grassy knoll.
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But the coaching staff obviously.
Didn’t coach him up enough to see it.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 24, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Trent lost his confidence in the OL, long before his teammates lost their confidence in Trent
Well done, BK. This is the most understated point about Trent Edwards by the fanbase, including myself. Good point. The old Bills regime failed Trent plain and simple.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
But,
They designed an offense and even fired the OC before the season to fit Trent, the next season. Two years in a row we dropped games to Cleveland with the last one so pathetic. We can find excuses for everything but at some point the player needs to respond. Just keep think about all those over or under thrown passes to TO and the fact that he couldn’t read defenses or battle during adversity. The old regime didn’t help Trent, but he didn’t help himself either. You don’t give anything to a player in the NFL they should earn it. They game him the starting job, and he could hold it.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
maybe but
that offense they designed for him was scrapped pretty early in the season after he spent all off-season trying to learn it. It also worked pretty well against the Pats and Tampa Bay as well. Then the OC that was supposed to help Trent was fired only days before the season opener and his LT was cut only days before opening kick off as well. None of these things were designed to help Trent succeed.
I’m not trying to make excuses for Trent but the regime did let him down.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I think Trent is capable if he isn’t getting his head bounced off the turf.
This argument is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo incredibly overused. My goodness.
Folks – every NFL quarterback takes hits. In fact, every NFL quarterback takes a LOT of hits. Every game. The great ones deal with it, and when it gets to them, they get back up and keep firing.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed......see Farve in the NFC Championship game.....how many of those hits does Edwards get up from?
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
those hits that the Saints defense were delivering
made a mockery of Kurt Warner and made Favre look skittish to the point he threw the game away with a pick.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
yeah, but the point was that Farve got up. Trent would have been carted off the field with a cracked jaw and a broken spirit
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
so your comparing the greatest Iron Man in the history of the game to Trent Edwards?
Thats not fair to Edwards at all? Thats like saying I have a weak right hook because I dont knock people out like Tyson.
Those hits ended Warner’s career…..
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Isn't Trent a little younger than Warner???????
and why not compare him to Farve? That is what I want in a QB. Is having high standards a bad thing? Who do you want to compare him to?
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Why on earth would we ask Trent to be great? Why can’t he just be capable? He’s a 3rd round draft pick that never got any time at all to mature. That’s a circumstance you get a backup out of if you’re lucky. I certainly don’t expect greatness now from Mr. Edwards and I don’t think I ever have.
Like it or not, we haven’t invested the resources to allow him a chance to succeed, even at a marginal level. I understand that every QB takes hits. Some are Brett Favre and some are David Carr. Right now, Trent is in Carr territory. But then again, would Carr have succeeded if he had been drafted by a team that was capable of developing an OL that could protect him? It might have been a very different story.
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Why on earth would we ask Trent to be great? Why can’t he just be capable?
Since both seem equally unlikely right now, let’s find a QB that does have the potential to be great. Heck let’s find a QB that has the potential to be capable. Right now Trent seem’s equally incapable of being either. It’s time for us all to move on from Trent Edwards.
I’m completely with you on the backup plan. No doubt. But I’m also willing to give Edwards a chance while we wait for a new guy to develop. I don’t wanna rush anyone else as bad as we rushed Edwards. Best case scenario, we end up with 2 guys that are fully confident and capable. Worst case, we end up where we are right now.
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This argument is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo incredibly overused.
Only because it has merit. When you constantly have a free rusher, you lose confidence in your OL. I saw time and time again during Jauron’s tenure where they wouldn’t keep an extra blocker in to stop a pesky rusher, They tried to fit Trent to the greatest show on turf (Mike Martz System) rather than trying to develop him in a WCO which is a better system for Trent’s timing and what needed to be developed for a WCO with Trent was his anticipation in hitting receivers in stride.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 24, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Should have said.
rather than trying to develop him in a WCO which is a better system for Trent’s timing
rather than trying to develop him in a WCO which is a better system for Trent’s accuracy.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 24, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it has merit. But it’s used as an excuse, and it’s NOT a good one.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Build an offensive line
first, that doesn’t have numerous injuries, that gives the QB time to throw, and that develops a running game – Then we can honestly judge whether any of these QB’s are solid Q.B.’s or prospects.
I agree
1000%
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap
I’m amazed at the number of people that still have faith in Trent.
The reason I voted for Trent is because we have seen what he can do. The start of the 2008 season still gives me some hope. Not a lot of hope, but some.
by MarinoTheBill on Mar 22, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Class is permanent form is temporary
Now I’m not say that Trent is the best QB ever… Far from it, but he does have quality without question – which just needs to be executed with the help of good coaching and players around him of a higher caliber.
careful mob, voting for Trent doesn’t necessarily indicate faith in him. For me, it’s just one last shot to see if Gailey/Cortez can get him straightened out. Having said that, I’d only give him maybe 4 or 5 games to prove it. Brohm would be the first guy to replace Trent, and he gets a half-dozen or so games to show some promise. After they both fail, Fitz can come in and do clean-up. Fitz is last and least simply because there’s no real possibility of him being a long-term solution at starter.
I voted Brohm
But this was my exact concern…I wanted to vote for Trent, but I was afraid he would be Trent we all know all year…not good, not awful. Then, when/if he gets benched, would it be Brohm to replace him? I would hope so, I want to see what his learning curve looks like. He needs a stretch of 6-8 games to determine how well he improves through each outing and to see if he is worthy of the starting position. The 6-8 game number came from an assumption that he was playing well to the point to where he could execute every play in the playbook correctly. If not, he shouldn’t be starting and I hope TE becomes next the Derek Anderson (only we trade him when he value has peaked)…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 22, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of the reason I voted Trent to start is that he has had some success which establishes a benchmark for what we should expect from him. If he doesn’t regain the 5-1 form of early ‘08 relatively quickly(4-5 games, max), then he gets the boot. When Brohm starts, we know it will be ugly for awhile, but it should still be easy to judge his progress or lack thereof. Brohm should get the biggest benefit of the doubt and patience from the coaching staff and play as many games as possible, assuming Trent is still Trent. Fitz, we already know, is a reasonably capable backup and that’s where his current and future value is. Unless the coaches think he takes us to the playoffs this year(not happening IMO) or can somehow imagine him as a potential franchise QB(also not happening) then it makes no sense to bring him in for a few more wins that only result in a worse spot in the 2011 draft. We need to keep reminding ourselves that we’re building for the future. Maximizing development of potential talent is the best plan for the upcoming season.
That is afair assesment.
Fix the OL, then you can judge what we have properly, if none work out, there is always next year’s draft.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent has had terrible circumstances to work under. 3 different offensive coordinators, terrible offensive line play, and last year while he was the starter, an inconsistent running game.
by buffaloboy90 on Mar 22, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it's early
but votes are shaping up similar to my fan post poll on 3/10 asking the same question. Of the 232 votes then, 57% chose Trent, 37% Brohm, and 5% Fitz..
Somewhat surprising considering the Trent bashing during the season.
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But a very Vocal minority.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted Brohm
A recent article posted here said Edwards is a headcase right now, which was evident on the field last season.
I like Fitz, but he’s hit his ceiling, he’s a backup, nothing more.
Brohm is an unknown that had a lot of potential out of college. I don’t know if he’s the answer, but its worth finding out more about him.
Of course whoever wins it in camp I’m behind.
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by BillsNYC on Mar 22, 2010 8:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I vote Edwards
After all we’ve got coach Edwards, Dwan Ewards let’s keep it in the family with Trent Edwards Lol
In all seriousness though I think if you look back 18 months ago Trent was hot property, and any QB would struggle with our Offensive Line, and a defensive minded coach as lame as Dick Jouron! I say give him 1 more chance under Gailey who has a good record of maximizing a players potential particularity at QB.
by Kill_Bill on Mar 22, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree completely. Trent has all the tools except confidence right now, and I think Chan can instill that back in him. He just needs a better line to protect him.
by NotReadytoRock on Mar 22, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trent has all the tools except confidence right now,
I don’t think Trent’s confidence problem is with himself, I think it is with his OL.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the results so far (I don’t even think it should be close), but I’m really surprised at it after seeing all the Edwards venom during the season.
What people seem to be forgetting is that...
Coach Jouron was a complete plank! Yes it’s up to the players to perform, but I would argue he was very much a part of the problem.
if jauron
had led the team to scale Everest instead of Sir Edmund Hillary, they would have been looking for the mountain in the Sahara desert.
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by fansince60 on Mar 22, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you.
Coach Jouron was a complete plank! Yes it’s up to the players to perform, but I would argue he was very much a part of the problem.
Jauron was the problem, not the solution. he is good at developing DBs, but not ready to assume command of an NFL franchise.
He is a fine DC who needs to develop a secondary.
But on offense he knows zilch.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea
Ummm I dunno how to put this. Nevermind, yes I do, every time Trent drop’s back to pass, I kick a puppy.
Dropping back is the only way that Trent can have enough time to cock his arm back before having a close, personal conversation with the underside of Wilfork’s cleats.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 22, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Brohm
I picked Brian Brohm because I think he has the most potential of the guys we have. Fitz definitely should not start he’s an okay backup and can produce if someone gets hurt but he shouldn’t be our leader although I don’t hate him. I feel that Trent Edwards may have reached his peak. However, if he can get rid of his happy feet from his concussion last year and play like he did for the first 5 games then I would love him to be our QB. Granted when we were the talk of the league two seasons ago it was against teams that were pretty bad but he still made good throws and showed good moxy and poise. But I love the idea of having them battle it out and have the best man win. It will make each QB play to the best they can and put pressure on them to perform like they would have in games. I liked Brohm a lot coming out of college but he really hasn’t had the chance to produce and had a pretty bad senior season because of a bad group of players and injuries. If he had come out the year before he would have been a very high prospect. But either way I’m excited about the competition between our QBs.
I agree as well
This is nothing more than a rebuilding year. We already know what we have with Trent, and we know that he has a lot of trouble leading receivers who are in motion (i.e., he wants them to come to a near-standstill so he can hit them on intermediate routes). That’s a major limitation. We also know Fitz’s capabilities. But there is no way to gauge Brohm’s full potential until he has had a full year to show his stuff, and the fact is that he could be the answer to our problems at QB. He also looked pretty good against Atlanta despite not even having had the chance to learn the playbook or develop any chemistry with his receivers.
I would favor giving him that year as a starter unless Trent or Fitz really stand out in training camp (in which case you have to give them the nod). If Brohm does not do well in 2010, then we can find our QB of the Future in the 2011 draft. In the meantime, I would also draft Jarrett Brown or possibly John Skelton this year if they are available when we pick in the fourth or fifth rounds as another option for the future.
I Went With Brohm ...
but to be honest, if the choices had been Edwards, Fitz, and the Hot Dog Vendor, I would’ve chosen the Hot Dog Vendor.
> Trent has skills. It wouldn’t bother me to see him get another shot, but he’s just not a playmaker. Favre makes more plays in a game then Trent does in a season because he is just an incredible gamer. Trent is not.
> Fitz is just plain bad. I like him. He’s a bit of a gamer, but he’s not good.
Soooo once I know you aint it, then I’ll take the Hot Dog Vendor. He’s probably not it, but he might be. Like Jim Carey said in Dumn and Dumber, “So you’re saying I gotta a shot!”.
Go Brohm!
I voted Brohm
As much as I’d like to see Trent regain those few flashes of brillance he’s shown in the past, I really have doubts about him. As for Fitz I agree with Bills NYC that he is a back up. Brohm on the other hand may not be the answer but I’d really like to see what he can do.
by S.Tier Bills Fan on Mar 22, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Me too.
I like Trent but I don’t think he will ever recover the confidence needed to be the starting QB, at least here, with the Bills. He had the stones to face a pass rush and deliver the ball with a guy in his face, he made all the throws with good anticipation, that is what I saw from him in his rookie year and the 6 games of 2008. Unfortunately his coach was Jauron and that was the beginning of the end for him.
I see Brohm as a guy with good tools and good enough arm, a guy eager for a chance, maybe Gailey can mold him into a solid starter.
by Fixxxer on Mar 22, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd on the 2 above
Only because Brohm hasn’t had his chance to show us what he can do. He had the tools coming out of college, so who knows maybe he wins it in training camp.
Edwards = damaged goods (see J. Harrington/D. Carr here)
Fitz = OK back up, not much else
Brohm = Relatively unknown > hope
Ugh
Doesn’t matter too much to me. Whoever gets put back there is going to get HAMMERED this season. Edwards won’t last if he gets to start. I want to see what Brohm’s got, but at this point I can’t say he “should” be our starting QB.
Well we could put Trent back there
And see how long it is before he has a nervous breakdown during a game. And sadly enough I could see that happening.
How do you know?
Whoever gets put back there is going to get HAMMERED this season.
Have you got a crystal ball? Let’s wait and see how this team shapes up, before we pass judgment.
exactly
you gotta believe CHIX will draft some horses to lessen the chances of any QB getting hammered in’10. It won’t be the same cluster …. as ’09.
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None of us KNOW anything about how this season is going to play out. We’re all putting up our 2 cents here.
I’m basing my prediction on the fact that our OL was bad last year, we’ve done nothing to improve it thus far (got rid of Incognito and signed a “depth” guy), Butler retired, we don’t know if/when Wood is getting back . . . so whatever it’s going to be is going to be a work in progress.
Meanwhile, the other teams in our division are getting armed. I especially think the Jets are going to be brutal after signing Cromartie. Going to be blitzing every play. Miami and New England will be tougher too, I think.
So yeah, I think whoever we put back there had better have some effing wheels because he’s going to get HAMMERED.
That is valid
I’m basing my prediction on the fact that our OL was bad last year, we’ve done nothing to improve it thus far (got rid of Incognito and signed a "depth" guy), Butler retired, we don’t know if/when Wood is getting back . . . so whatever it’s going to be is going to be a work in progress.
I agree with what you say here, and it is definitely a work in progress… True also is that the AFC East is one mean division! But let’s see, what pieces are added to OL in the draft and maybe there will be 1 or 2 extra additions yet to come via Free Agency? After all this is said and done, we will have a better idea of where we stand?
doesn’t an all new coaching staff and healthy players mean there’s a possibility the o-line will show improvement? I expect it.
Agreed
I’m with ya for once dzil, just the fact are O/L will be healthy is a plus going into season. Hopefully we don’t suffer near as many deletions from starting lineup as we incurred last season. The dou of Wood and Lev. having experience doesn’t hurt. I think to much emphasis on line play is blamed on prev. FO when in reality the inuries to are starters couldn’t of been worse last year.
by buffalobacker on Mar 23, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I echo the sentiment completely that, given it’s a rebuilding year, let the three compete for the starting job and if Trend Edwards is the best, that’s fine.
Maybe he gets confidence instilled in him, maybe he develops some, but remember that last year he was supposed to command a no-huddle attack. Without a real O-Line, without much at the tight Tight End position, and with a coordinator that was named 10 days before the season.
I seriously doubt that Brady, Manning or Favre could have handled that load in their respective third years in the league.
I was as disgusted as anyone last year watching Trent collapse, but remember he was standing on a house of cards. Hopefully the coaches can put together a solid basis this year and we’ll see whether he’s NFL caliber. If not, dump him, but for the moment I see no solid reason not to let him compete for the spot and potentially to let him start.
Well it's gonna be interesting
seeing whoever this 4th QB we’ve been promised is going to be. Odd’s are at least 1 of these 3 won’t even be on the roster next season. So to me the more interesting question, is which QB end’s up leaving.
Possible poll questions:
So to me the more interesting question, is which QB end’s up leaving.
1. Who gets the boot when the new guy shows up? (thx mob)
2. How many games before Trent gets hurt?
3. Would you be ok with Fitz as a long term, say 8 year, back up QB? (providing a re-structured contract)
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Ooo ooo ooo! Let me go first !
1. Trent
2. 5
3. Yes, in the form of a 5 year contract, and then a 3 year deal. Really really cheap, too
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I went Trent......
As stated earlier, it wasn’t too long ago that Trent was being discussed by many as a hot commodity in the league. It’s shame that he bears the brunt of an absolutely horrible set of circumstances that befell this team last year (jauron, OC, perhaps the poorest decision in the world to try a no-huddle attack, injuries etc…). He may be done, he may have been totally destroyed from the mental aspect of the position, but we should certainly find out. Maybe Gailey is just what the doctor ordered, a teaching coach who has a track record of putting decent QB’s (not great ones) in a position to perform at a level necessary to be a part of a winning TEAM. That being said, I don’t think Gailey will just start him blindly, I truly believe there will be an honest competition at the position this year for all 3 guys (maybe a fourth)… let the best man win and I, for one, will be on board with whichever guy is behind center.
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Line won't be as bad as last year
Last year the line had a huge amount of injuries and 3 rookie starters. Maybe 4 rookie starters… Who knows? It seemed like they were going to put Byron Scott in there at any moment.
With a year more of experience and less injuries the line will be better. Not great, but a lot better. Also the no-huddle was a really bad idea for an OL that did not know each other or even the plays very well. In a situation like that you want your guys to huddle a lot.
I would go with Edwards if Clausen is not available but I can’t bring myself to click on the button.
Fitz – Never been more than a backup nor shown that he’s capable of being an above average QB in the NFL
Brohm – Never shown that he’s ready to even be a backup (although I hope he progresses this year and becomes a starter)
Edwards – the only option left at this point.
The Eternal Pessimist...
Start Edwards to get him off the field quickly
Look, in all likelihood these three will all start a game this year at QB. My thought is give Edwards his last chance (again) as early as possible, so he either succedes and carries the team for a while, or (more likely) he falls apart and a guy like Brohm can get his chance with a little more under his belt. If, and/or when, that fails Fitz is a proven mop up guy to just get the team through the end of the year.
Trent Edwards
Trent’s started 30 career games. He’s thrown more Int’s than TD’s. He’s never had a TD percentage higher than 3.3%. His career number’s are eerily similar to JP Losmans especially looking atsome of the more advanced stat’s. And your telling me I need to have faith in him?
Best of a bad bunch
I’m saying the past is the past, let us look to the future… I said somewhere on here why not give him 1 more chance? If he still sucks then by all means get rid! But at this moment in time in my mind he is the best of a bad bunch, and with so many other problems (holes) on the BIlls roster I can’t see anything better?
Well
It all comes down to who this 4th QB is IMO. And I really,really, can’t envision any future success in Buffalo for Trent. Just looking at his body language last season, you could tell the guy was/is a hot mess in regard’s to football.
If we still had Dick Jouron
I would agree, but with the new coaching set up I am going to reserve judgment.
Besides my opinion is irrelevant, for all I know one of the other QB’s on the team may win the duel (QB Contest) and win the right to be starter right?
I want Trent to do well.
I mean, after the 5-1 start I blew way too much on an NFL authentic Edwards throwback jersey FINALLY thinking we had a QB that could last a few years…
So I’d like to think I didn’t completely waste my money.
Although I'm not as cinical as Frank and Mob, I think that they are right.
Of our three current QB’s Trent is the one with the best tools to succed and the best option for han to design an offense around. The only thing that Trent is really missing is confidence and if Chann can build that back up then we have a decent QB in Trent. So if we’re to give him yet another shot, it might as well be as early as possible.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Although I’m not as cynical as Frank and the Mob
Are we talking Sinatra??:-)
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Only if we can throw a trip to Vegas. ;-)
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted Edwards
Essentially, this is a fresh start for him as a Buffalo Bill(well, for everyone not let go). I really want to see him given another opportunity with a different set of coaches. I can’t help but think that the mud was too thick for all involved to produce good QB play. It has to improve with these coaches, right? I don’t think any of of are aware of what these QBs on the roster can do yet because their coaching was so terrible.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions
I’m really not following you here.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You said it's a fresh start for him as a Buffalo Bill, and everyone not let go.
And by that I assume you mean fan’s. So therefore I said any fan who’s let go of Edwards past has also let go of there sanity. Tracking? ; )
I think
he meant let go as fired, as no longer on the team, etc.
"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
Yup. I meant for anyone on the team who wasn’t shown the door. Lynch comes to mind, as does Roscoe Parrish.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh got ya.
Well then my comment makes little to no sense then. Pretty much par for the course. ; )
;-) NP…but you can see why I was confused, i’m sure.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
I don’t think any of us are aware of what these QBs on the roster can do yet because their coaching was so terrible.
Well put…
You have to go with Edwards.
Brohm has had 1 game in the NFL and a horrible one at that. Fitzpatrick is a perfect backup QB. Trent, although I am not a fan, has the best chance of success. We have seen what he can do behind an offensive line that is playing well (5-0 start 2 years ago). Chan Gailey has a reputation for having success with average/below average quarterbacks. Not to mention the fact that when Edwards was playing , the play calling was horrendous and he had a new offensive coordinator what seemed like every year. With a decent and stable coaching staff in place Trent can be a good QB in this league.
Trent, I guess
sigh The fact is, out of all of these guys, Trent has shown the most of any of the three currently on the roster. He was a top 10 QB for a period in ‘08 (low top 10, but there). Fitzy has not shown the ball security or the accuracy to be an NFL starter. Brohm hasn’t shown that he really cares, although he’s the most physically talented of the three.
That said, I think Edwards has the biggest hill to climb, and I wouldn’t surprised to see Fitzy win it. He has the best arm, best mobility and most moxie out of the three. He’s potentially the only one right now capable of playing to his potential. Gailey seems to me to be a coach that likes confidence in his QB, and Fitz is the only one who has that right now.
brohm has shown he doesn’t care? do you have anything to back that up?
by quantumuprising on Mar 22, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Brohm is 100% on board, from the interviews I’ve seen. He sounds like Tebow, saying “I love the Buffalo weather” and that he’ll do anything it takes to help the team. I think your take on his attitude 100% wrong.
Maybe its more harsh than I meant it, but
I can only go based on what I’ve seen. I rarely buy what players and coaches sell during interviews. Its rarely a case that you can get a sense of a players commitment from their on the record comments. I could be wrong, wouldn’t be the first time and won’t be the last, but this is the information I’m going on:
1. He was a 2nd round pick, at one point considered the top QB in the draft, so he obviously has tremendous talent.
2. He goes into training camp, loses the number two job to a 7th round QB and ends up having so little value that he ends up on the practice, virtually unprotected.
From that information, how can I help but conclude that he just didn’t work while in GB? Even if he wasn’t a gym rat, he could make the team if he gave sufficient effort. What evidence do I have to the contrary as of yet? I will believe his commitment when his production improves. Thats the only way I can evaluate.
by PozDispenser on Mar 22, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
All that was in Green Bay. Does that erase all of his success in college? It would be a waste not to give him the benefit of a doubt with a new team and coaches.
I'll certainly give him the benefit of the doubt
But the question was based on what I think right now based on the information I have. He completely can prove me to me that he’s completely invested by improving his product on the practice field and in preseason playing time. I’m just as excited about his potential as you are. As I said: He’s the most talented QB on the roster. I just will believe it when I see the improvement in his performance.
by PozDispenser on Mar 23, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong. I think he’ll crash and burn, but I hope that I’m wrong and just want to see if new coaching/assistants can make a difference. It’s not like DJ would ever whip Trent into shape, but Gailey and Nix will at least try to. They might also give up on him before the season starts, if they don’t see signs of life.
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Fitz
I’d rather just draft a quarterback in the third or fourth round, skelton, lefevour, pike even TEBOW. i’m that desperate, but let them learn under fitz for a year rather than back-up edwards. its time to jettison him. and what does buffalo really feel it will get from brohm that green bay didn’t. we haven’t had the best track record in developing qb’s in the last decade or so.
Look to the future... We all don't know what will be ?
we haven’t had the best track record in developing qb’s in the last decade or so.
That is the past… Now we have a coach in Gailey with a proven track record of getting the most out of QB’s, even those of relative standing.
I forget if Gailey was the coach during the season where Quincy Carter played a fairly decent year. I seem to recall people talking like Carter might have what it takes to lead the team at some point.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Aikman was the QB when Gailey was there.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
For his first year yes. But wasn’t Carter the QB his second year there? After Troy retired?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. Quincy Carter was the starter in 2001. Gailey was long gone by then.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 22, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? My bad.
Who was their starter after Troy retired?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey CBC
According to Wikipedia, Aikman played the 1999 season but missed a lot of time due to injuries. Aikman retired after a concussion in 2000. Incidentally in 1999 Irvin went down (and out) Darryl Johnston suffered a career ending injury as well and both starting CB’s missed time.
Jason Garrett was the backup QB in 1999 and started 5 games.
It was Carter in 2001.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 23, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Brohm out of these 3 clowns
Edwards – I’d love to sit here and say he’s going to be fine. However, I keep seeing his face when drives stall. I don’t think he has the leadership mentality to be a successful NFL QB.
Fitzpatrick – we pretty much know what we’re getting – I want to find my franchise QB – not the guy that’s backing up my franchise QB
Brohm – he’s the only unknown. Sure he’s played some terrible games in preseason over at GB – but we don’t know.
So i’m going with the unkown at this point – Which is Brohm
We got the tools, We got the talent
Go To Trent, But Only Because
Moorman and Freddie Jackson aren’t in the poll…
I’m in the same boat as others who thought we had a better chance of winning with Fitz last season, but when I watched him throw short and intermediate passes into the ground, I realized he was no long term solution. Edwards still could be, and maybe being a headcase for a while is a good thing — look at Vince Young, he came back (so far). He’s got more size and a better completion percentage than Thigpen, so maybe Gailey can get the most out of him by running the ball a lot.
Actually (and I really like Edwards and want him to succeed), Vince Young and Trent Edwards are VERY similar: both are head cases.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
gross
I voted Brohm just because he’s never had regular playing time so who knows? We know what we have in Fitzpatrick and Edwards.
My real hope is that Buffalo drafts a QB somewhere in the first two days of the draft as well as adds a (younger) veteran to compete w/ Brohm and Fitzpatrick for the starting gig this September. Some teams out there will unexpectedly add QBs in this draft and their depth chart will change and new players will be available (possibly for prices as low as a 2011 conditional draft choice). Buffalo needs to pounce.
I’m completely perplexed as to how Edwards can be winning this poll after three seasons as the majority QB at the helm of some of the worst offensive production by a team over such a long time span in recent memory. Basing hope in Edwards reclaiming promise that he never really showed as far back as September 2008 is bizarre in my opinion. Who cares if some national media members who don’t cover the Bills regularly where saying nice things about Edwards for a couple of weeks in early 2008? It’s not like the offense was a juggernaut during that 4-0 start against some other bad teams. We’ve all seen Edwards’ lack of mental, physical, and leadership talents over the course of the last three years. He’s never shown anything worth a far-fetched reclamation in the first place.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
Lots of man-crushes...
I’m completely perplexed as to how Edwards can be winning this poll
“I can’t quit you, Trent”
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“Since I been lovin’ you, i’m about to lose my worried mind.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
For me – Edwards has failed because of some rather significant circumstances, from coaches that seemed (from my vantage point) to take little interest in HIS best football talents (probably way off mark), to personnel decisions that barked “we don’t know how to build this team.”
With Fitz, sure he added more excitement because he was a bit erratic when you least expected it, but he’s done the same thing in 2 places. His game was VERY similar in Cinci, so I doubt it’s coaching. I think we might know what he’s all about to this point.
Brohm: wild card. I doubt he was truly given a fair shake at the position in GB. I think he’s someone that needs molding.
Edwards has failed under Jauron, Fairchild, Schoenert, and Van Pelt: aka 1 garbage plate.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
GAHH!!!
I hate this. I hate the thought of any of these clowns starting, or even playing. It’s still hard to believe they’ve stood around and done nothing about the position, as in jettisoning Edwards out of Buffalo. I hope they still look at a veteran QB around the league, somewhere, whether it’s a Troy Smith or some other QB that may become available in the coming months. I’ll happily take someone like that, along with a rookie to groom, Fitzpatrick and Brohm into camp.
I voted for Fitzpatrick. He’s the least terrible option, to me, of these three. I wouldn’t mind Brohm winning a competition, and would in fact welcome that, I just don’t see it happening. I never want to see Trent the Turtle start another game in Buffalo. He has to be done here. His play on the field and because he completely lost the locker room last year make me question why anyone would want him starting again.
Imagine if this team doesn’t add another veteran and doesn’t end up taking a QB in the draft, or takes one late?? Mutiny, I tell you, mutiny!
This is so sad.
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 22, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I totally agreee about Trent not starting here again.
And I’m amazed how many people are OK with the idea. (Or at least are willing to give it a shot.) He’s very damaged and may be beyond repair. And it’s not his physical state that I’m talking about.
I still think he may be successful in the leauge, just not here. How can you possibly be successful when the locker room doesn’t back you? If the fans are thinking “oh no, not again!” every time he blows it, what must the players be thinking? He’s not going to get past that here.
I voted for Brohm. He may well be as damaged as Trent, but we’ll have to see. I just don’t see Fitzy being the guy that the team can rally around and look to as a leader. That said, if Brohm totally tanks at camp and in the preseason (which is very possible) I’d be in the Fitzy camp, too.
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Trent
I just can’t see how this team can turn to him again. There are a lot of veterans still on this team that want to win. Although, it’s very unlikely that that will happen, they will still play hard and give everything they have, just like they have been. From all indications, Trent Edwards lost these guys last year and I just can’t see how they can accept him as their starting QB again, after that. How exactly would that play out, besides poorly??
The last thing Chan Gailey needs is a divided locker room to BEGIN his tenure as head coach in September. That’s a major part of the reason I find it hard to believe Edwards could start here again, and why it’s kind of odd that he’s still on the roster too.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
If Trent DOES start
odds are he wont last long before getting injured. In fact, it might open some peoples’ eyes if I made a timeline on his injuries. How a coach would attempt to create a system around such a fragile kid is beyond me.
a.k.a. Undee
rec'd......Fitz was the starter last year. I don't see where anything has changed.
Who I want to start vs who I think would start if the season started today are two different questions.
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
A lot
Fitz was the starter last year. I don’t see where anything has changed.
The coaching staff and GM?
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Zing.......
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if your point is that the new coaching staff would make Edwards better, then wouldn't they make Fitz and Brohm better also?
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Maybe, not the point though
What was last year has no weight on this year, Gailey has to start over with this team and re evaluate everything. Fitz starting the remainder of last season means nothing.
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Not true
Fitz was the best we had last year….. a fact, although sad, is undisputed. To pretend what a player did last season does not matter just because we have new coaches this year is laughable. Do you really think that when CHIX look at the coaches tape, that they will somehow determine Edwards isn’t mentally broken? Now, maybe after they get to work with him in the offseason they might be able to fix him. But at this point, there is absolutely no reason based in any kind of fact that Edwards or Brohm should be the starter if the season started today.
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I never said that Edwards or Brohm should be the starters if the season startesd today
What I am saying is that none of these QB’s can be considered the starter right now and if you think that Gailey and Nix would just give it to a career backup just because he was the lesser of 2 evils last year than I think that is laughable. We never gave Brohm a shot last year, how do they know who is better?
The season doesn’t start today so they have time to evaluate what we have; it is useless to think who it would be
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
But we are being asked in the poll to name the starter NOW.....ask me in August and you might get a different answer
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well the question states: "If you had to name one current Bills QB as your starter in 2010, which of the three players below would you choose?"
not at this exact moment
so i was looking at all the things that could happen from now till then
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
but a lot of things COULD happen
Trent might get better or worse
Fitz might do the same
Brohm might be better or worse than them both.
With that said, voting at this exact moment and not knowing the future, I would pick Fitz.
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Not necessarily. Some players are more suited to the style/scheme of certain coaches.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
Well, if any of these QBs are not suited to the style/scheme CHIX are going to run, they should be gone now.
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Because he's going into his 4th season in the NFL???
I didn’t call him an experienced veteran….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
actual game experience should count for something, no? I guess Seattle agrees with you, though. Whitehurst is the same.
Of course it counts for something
I called him a veteran. That’s all. I wasn’t trying to imply anything about his actual experience or what he might amount to.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
This is question is like asking:
“Which appendage would you not mind having lopped off?”
1. Leg at the knee
2. Arm at the shoulder
3. Both arms at the elbows
I honestly can’t vote. I’m with K on the Brohm winning the QB competition, but damn.
Fatang Fatang.
by NeverendingOptimism on Mar 22, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions
Why would anybody choose number 3???
What good are two stumps? I’d rather have a completely missing arm and one fully functional arm any day of the week. Two stumps would suck!
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I dunno
I think being called Mr Nubby would be kind of cool ; )
But but but
You wouldn’t be able to point at those rascal kids who call you that and mumble “Damn young-ins”. At least if they made fun of your one-armless existent, you’d still be able to point at them and mumble, and even grab them by the collar.
Imagine two nubs though. How would you pick your nose? How would you eat? How would you write? Brush your teeth? Do anything?!?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Imagine two nubs though. How would you pick your nose? How would you eat? How would you write? Brush your teeth? Do anything?!?
I waited on a table where a young man had no arms. He used his feet to feed himself. He had mastered the ability to use his feet like hands, and he made it seem much less difficult that it sounds.
I’d go with the leg myself. It’s the only one where they’ve gotten so good at building fake appendages that you can lead a totally normal life.
I’m just wondering what QB that associates me with.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!!!! Agreed.....Someone needs to put up a fan post with a poll :-)
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Edwards Should Get 1 More Chance...
I know that Trent severely disappointed last year, that much is more than obvious. I understand we were all let down last year, in general. I debate the QB subject with my best friend nearly every other week. I do not want to make excuses for Trent, let me be clear on that. My friend argues all the time that Trent did nothing during the snaps that he actually had the time to make a play. Well, let me defend my viewpoint. Sitting at home watching the game on TV listening to a commentator break down replays and making it all sound so simple… just isn’t how it is on the field. We each take for granted how fast the NFL game is played and that Trent is still a young QB, who came out of a college program where he was beaten down like a pinata and experienced much of the same with the Bills. That being said, he has shown promise at times (often before suffering head injuries) and that gives me hope for him. It simply isn’t easy making plays with 300+ lb. NTs and DEs coming at you from all directions every play… and then suddenly your line actually holds up and you’re supposed to become Captain American instead of Captain Checkdown on that very same play. My point is, you just don’t know when those opportunities are going to happen when all the others seemingly are disastrous all too often… even when he has time, we’re talking 3 or 4 seconds on most plays (which seems like eternity on TV, but over in a heartbeat on the field). This is the same QB who just a short time ago most of us hitched our wagons to… I say give him another shot with a better-run offense with Gailey. An offensive-minded coach could be the best thing for Trent at this point… and, if he fails miserably again, then we have Brohm and next year’s draft. What do we really have to lose at this point? There aren’t any other obvious answers staring us in the face… that I’m aware of anyways.
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I went Trent. With an improved line I he might shed the “checkdown” name, and hopefully get back to where he started. anyone remember 4-0?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
4-0
I’m not trying to be condescending, but was “4-0” all that you’re making it out to be? I still have the Raiders game DVR’d (word?) in my basement and Edwards was rather mediocre that day. I remember that he was rather bad for most of the Seahawks game until the defense and special teams swung the game with field position coups. Even if Edwards was outstanding for those 4 weeks (which he wasn’t) are four little weeks all that indicative of anything grander? To borrow from the sabermetric community of baseball, it’s too small a sample size to mean anything. The entire body of his career IS a legitimate sample size to project future success and it’s overwhelmingly negative. I just don’t see what those who are bullish on Edwards are hanging their hats on.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
by Port Royal on Mar 22, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember 4-0
Trent Edwards happened to be along for the ride. For the majority of those games he was either average or below average. He played well for roughly 2-3 quarters in those games. There was nothing to be impressed with there outside of the Jacksonville and Oakland comebacks.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
he was pretty big in the San Diego game.........
people forget that.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not overlooking the San Diego game
But even a blind pig finds corn once in awhile.
or in his case 5 out of 6 games.......
he was doing fine in all the games he played in the Arizona game being the obvious exception.
Defenses were able to adjust to what the Bills and Edwards were doing……and our inept coaching couldnt re-adjust again.
Thats what led to beginning of the end……..
The craptastic offensive coaching.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
And was he even that great
vs the Bolts? Was it more like an average game compared to Rivers, Manning, Brady, etc?
a.k.a. Undee
25-30 261 yards 1 TD.......
damn good numbers…
Not a 4 or 5 TD game……….but its Trent Edwards, not Manning, Brady……etc.
If you got those numbers from a QB on a consistant basis I would have to say I would like me teams chances to win.
That same game Rivers was 22-29 208 2TD’s and 1Int……..
Not like there was much difference there.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So his ‘gem of a game’ wouldn’t raise the eyebrows of any NFL fans, except us? I don’t think that’s a reason to keep TE around: once every three seasons he has a decent game. But obviously lots of Rumblers disagree…
a.k.a. Undee
where is it written that your QB needs to throw for 300 yards and 4 TD's every week to be considered great?
If you win games……..whether you throw for 5000 yards a year or 2500 yards a year……..fans will take notice.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
but you just knocked a game that Trent played well in a won because he didnt have Brady/Manning/Rivers like stat game
so then its not about the numbers…….its just your personal preference.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
If you want numbers, let’s look at your statement:
If you win games……..whether you throw for 5000 yards a year or 2500 yards a year……..fans will take notice.
Which QB won more games last year? Fitz did. He had a better W/L, too.
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go back to 08 and Trent Won more........
and whos to say Trent wouldnt have won the games that Fitz did……..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He was hurt. Hard to win games from the sidline, so I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that he wouldn’t have won those games. And that is one of the biggest reasons Fitz is better suited to lead. Trent has missed games in 6 of his 7 seasons in college and the pros combined!!!
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he wasnt hurt when Perry first took over.....
Fewell chose Fitzy as his starter.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
look Im not arguing the merits of Fitzy at all...
I like the guy…..and if he wins the job, all the better…..to me there really isnt much difference between the two…….saying that I believe when both are 100% Healthy Trent would be the better of the two…….
But chemistry in the locker room and just being “out there” count for a lot too…..
But you cant say Trent cant win….when he’s proven he’s just as capable as as Fitz is…..of course right now I would say Fitz has his stuff together more at the moment.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We are really on the same page. I can’t argue with anything in that last comment. I also think Trent, when healthy, would be better than Fitz. I had big expectations for Trent………………………………
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you and me both brother.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
and
if Trent wins the job, I will watch next season with a hesitant, horrified, but hopeful mindset.
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Yes sir, he gives us the best chance to win IMO.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 23, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Think back to Roethlisberger…
His rookie year, if he completed 10 passes and threw for 120 yards a game, that was alot. Yet, he went what, 15-1, then on to a SB win?
This is why I really like the thought of The ‘Bow. He may not ever put up traditional QB numbers, but i’ll be shocked if he doesn’t set the NFL on it’s backside someday.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Roethlisberger didn’t throw for less than 130 yards in any of his games as a rookie. He threw for 187 yards per game and had 17 TDs. He averaged an absurd 8.9 yards per pass attempt as a rookie. Trent Edwards’ career average yards per completion is 10.8.
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Trent Edwards happened to be along for the ride
I thought Edwards played well in those games. Although he did have 4 TDs and 4 turnovers in those 4 games. I think the big thing that needs to be remembered was that those teams were literally four of the worst pass defenses in the league that year.
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Trent lost the locker room though
Does it really matter how he performed when given time, or how he checked down or whatever, if he doesn’t even have the locker room behind him???
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This point can not be quantified
by stats or anything that yields proof, but it is a HUGE problem, and one that is almost impossible to overcome.
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If Trent shows up this year with a new mindset, would it matter? Given the new coaching, scheme, and (hopefully) focus on OL/protection, I’m not sure whether the players would see him the same or not. I can’t say for certain, which is why I can’t say that I wouldn’t accept Edwards as the starter.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you could give him the benefit of doubt that he regains his role as a leader, but do the Bills have that luxury? I really hope anyone who wants to trade Lynch would have no problem with tradind Edwards.
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I don't know K
If a large portion of Bills fans are willing to let Trent take another shot at it, wouldn’t some in the locker room be willing too? Schobel at one point was really behind Trent (and couldn’t wait for him to take over from JP.) Also keep in mind that we expect a lot of locker room turnover with the change in D schemes. So some of those guys won’t be there to complain anyway.
I’m not against drafting a new guy (mostly because I don’t think Fitz is a QB of the future type and who knows what we have in Brohm) but I think it’s Trent or bust right now.
I cannot believe
Trent is getting so much of the vote here.
While I myself voted for Fitzy, because I think he brought us the best chance to win last year and out of the three I still think he does, I thought Brohm would run away with this poll.
I’m sorry, but I haven’t seen anything from Trent in two freakin’ years (not that I’ve seen anything in Fitzy but at least he won a couple games last season), and harkening back to his 4-0 days just doesn’t justify giving him another chance IMO.
by nickfeely8 on Mar 22, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The training comp - Will decide & rightfully so...
Look we can debate this till the cows come home… Who is the best QB option? But thankfully it will be decided in the best way possible – not by favoritism or past success or lack of, but by who is the best man out of the 3 Qb’s we have.
but by who is the best man out of the 3 Qb’s we have.
Or the best man out of the 4 QB’s we will have. ; )
That will be revealed soon enough
Whoever wins the competition will have my blessing, and I will get behind them. If whoever wins fails miserably, then at least in theory we will be stronger in other positions and we will be able to address the QB situation in the 2011 draft – which by all accounts a better crop from what I have heard.
Bear in mind also that we may pick up a QB of the future in the draft, who may not be an immediate starter but cold be ready from next season?
As shocking as this may seem......I went with Brohm......
Only because we know what Fitz and Trent have to offer………but BB is intriguing because at one point he was considered by many NFL guys to have a NUMBER 1 overall type of potential to him…….
Sure he never got a chance in Green Bay and he struggled his last year in college…….but its not like his “potential” just vanished……
He may or may not have an attitude issue (heard conflicting reports) but I think given a REAL shot at a open competition between the 3, Brohm would have to be the favorite to win I believe.
So there you have it.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
I believe Brohm has the most talent out of the 3
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as do I
good call.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely. He may not have the wheels that Fitzy has, but that’s fine by me. I wanted to vote Brohm, but i’m willing to see how Edwards fares with new coaches.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as Brohm is given a fair shot to compete (assuming we dont bring in a “starter” via FA, Trade, or the Draft) thats all Im asking for, ya know?
It sure is going to be a looooong wait til September lol
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In reality, it may be a very long time until we’re right here, a year from now, looking for a QB.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here
look at the college production with these guys
Brohm was a winner
the other 2 not so much
he needs and we should give him a shot, if he falls then we know and go for a QB next year
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If we draft a QB in the first four rounds this year, there’s a pretty good chance he’ll move past the 3 stooges before the end of this season. Not ideal, but dirty Sanchez survived starting day one. I expect him to be pretty decent this year.
I don't unless
They get there running game back.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
Give him a decent offensive line...
… and Trent might actually get the confidence to throw down field back. I mean seriously, of course he’s “shell shocked” when he has no more than two seconds any time he drops back before he’ll be buried and wondering if it’s concussion time again. Trent has already proven he CAN do it, he just needs to have the right tools around him, and let’s face it – almost any QB (Outside of maybe Vince Young) would suck with what the Bills had manning the line last year.
I voted Brohm
Edwards clearly lost the team last year, and if physically he shows he can make the throws in camp, that means nothing if his WR can’t trust him. Also we all got hyped up about him doing the TRX training last off season so he wouldn’t get injured – well he still got injured.
Fitz is a backup, and I am pretty positive he has reached his ceiling, he showed that he has the leadership and the players would follow him, but his accuracy was just horrid.
Brohm is a complete unknown, I think he has the physical tools like Edwards but doesn’t have the same headcase type issuses. If he were to win out a camp battle I would really like to see him start. And if Brohm wins the camp battle, they better just boot Edwards, cause that is completely a lost cause.
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I voted Brohm also
But it just HAS TO be a wide open competition in camp and preseason to find the best of what we have to work with..My honest opinion is that Trent’s concussions give me a lot of worry as far as being a leader over the long haul goes.When he got that last one,it seemed like his common sense stayed on the playing field after they picked him up and carried him off..Brohm hasn’t shown a lot,but he’s healthy,and has a decent arm..Gailey can work with that..Trent was done a huge disservice by being sent out there with a no huddle offense that looked pathetic even in preseason..His skills may be recovered in time,but I think it’s as a backup on another team..Fitz has the mechanics,but zero accuracy..Seems like the only one with a chance to get a fresh start is Brohm as it stands right now..
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went with trent
I left Brohm off the list right off the bat. I believe that if Gailey/Nix want to go with an unknown they will draft a QB in 1st/2nd round next month. I just cant bring myself to accept Fitz as a starting QB in the NFL. That left me with Trent. I think that the coaching change will benefit him the most. I just think of the 3, Edwards is the best of the worst.
the unknown qb
If we have an unknown qb on the roster, why spend a draft pick on another unknown qb? Play Brohm and see what we have. If he fails, then draft a qb next year.
I went with Trent.
Because I’m not convinced that he’s done yet. I think that if Chan built an offence around what he can do well (and no I don’t just mean checking down) then he could be good (ish). Although I’m not putting any stock in Trent being our long term answer, I do think that he is our short term answer at QB. Lets just hope that he doesn’t come out shell shocked again this season.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
If I had to choose any of these highly-mediocre QB’s, I’d choose Brohm for the simple reason that we don’t know for sure yet if he sucks as much as Trent and Fitz, though one might argue that the fact that he couldn’t beat out Matt Flynn for the backup job in Green Bay would be an indication of his abysmal play. All of this being said, I fully agree with the ones posturing that we simply can’t head into the 2010 season with any of these guys as the incumbent starter at QB; we absolutely need competition at this position, but seeing that Buddy didn’t pursue any of the QB’s on the market or apparently considered a trade (that’s me guessing obviously) tells me he’s either focused on adding a QB in the draft or totally neglecting the position before going all in for either Ryan Mallett or Jake Locker in the 2011 draft.
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by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 22, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
Some of Brohms failures in GB might have been due to a supposed bad attitude. If he didn’t endear himself to the coaches, it was probably fairly easy for them to elevate Flynn when the slightest of miscue happened.
For what it’s worth, GB did not want to lose him, but Brohm did not accept them back when Buffalo came calling.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I vote Brohm
Here is the main reasons. TE cannot stay health. I think he lost the team last year. And finally, I think he is still shell-shocked from the beatings he took.
Fitz on the other hand is a back up QB. He can come in and win you a game or two, but after that, he will not lead you to the playoffs. He jjust does not have enough talent.
That brings me to Brohm. Highly touted coming out of college (the year before he came out). He has all the physical skills to be a winner in this league. If you go back( I can’t find the link), Wood said something along the line of Brohm was the best leader that he has ever played with. I think with good coaching and few years under his belt now, he could be the guy.
I voted Edwards, although it really pained me to do it. Obviously, if Buffalo is foolish enough to stand pat with the three guys on the roster, an open competition is the best way to find a starter. But if I had to pick one of these guys right now, it would be Edwards for the simple reason that I think he’s the best QB of the three. It’s not exactly saying much, but I’d roll with him over the other guys. I’d also have an extremely short leash with Edwards and if he looks like the mentally damaged QB he looked like last year, I’d yank him in a hurry.
One thing I do find funny about the Edwards “support” (it’s in quotes because it’s kind of psuedo support) is that it’s the same people who think that putting a rookie QB behind a bad line will permanantly damage them who think we should stick with Edwards. If we can’t draft a rookie until the lines are fixed because we’ll screw up the rookie, then how can Edwards not already be screwed up?
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That’s why I, too, went with Edwards.
I voted Edwards, although it really pained me to do it. Obviously, if Buffalo is foolish enough to stand pat with the three guys on the roster, an open competition is the best way to find a starter. But if I had to pick one of these guys right now, it would be Edwards for the simple reason that I think he’s the best QB of the three. It’s not exactly saying much, but I’d roll with him over the other guys. I’d also have an extremely short leash with Edwards and if he looks like the mentally damaged QB he looked like last year, I’d yank him in a hurry.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 22, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And how do QBs on a short leash usually play?
Scared………Edwards already does that…..how much better his he going to be if he knows he is on a short leash? You better fix a mentally damaged Edwards before you make him the starter or you are just asking for a repeat of last season.
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He doesn’t need to know that he’s on a short leash. It’s all politics with stuff like that and you defend Edwards every chance you get right up until the moment that you bench him.
Trent has all offseason to wear the red jersey and not worry about a pass rush. If he isn’t capable of getting his head right by the time the season starts, then he’s too broken for me to even bother with him having a roster spot. Edwards is in the last year of his contract and he’s not getting resigned if all he does is sit on the bench all season while somebody like Fitz or Brohm starts.
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Edwards is not dumb....
He doesn’t need to know that he’s on a short leash.
he knows the situation. He needs to believe in himself first. Then, and only then will he have a shot at winning over the coaches, teammates, and fans.
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I'm with the 12%
that chose Fitz (after 900 votes!!!) His redeeming quality is chemistry with the team, and that’s more than either TE or BB can claim. For a 2010 season in which playoffs are a faint, cloudy, daydream, Fitz will provide composure to allow others on the team to grow.
If it really had to be between these guys, I would root for Brohm to blossom (imagine the Bromance on this blog if that happened,) without a doubt. But I see that as likely as UZ’s ‘mocking the draft’ result, where he nabbed Bradford.
The cold hard reality is that Trent is fragile, and he has been beaten down beyond a Buffalo repair. He can not be depended on to stay healthy, and you can’t develop an offense around him. Not now, not in Buffalo.
I would trade him before cam, in order to get a little bit in return. After camp starts, his stock drops, and he will be a wasted roster spot. Harsh I know, but that’s my two cents.
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Trent
I believe with a new coaching staff and rebuilt OL, Trent will go back to his earlier form and become a real good QB. I believe Jauron had a lot to do with Trent’s performance. Jauron always wanted to play it safe, there fore the check-downs were more Jaurons choice not Trents.
Jauron always wanted to play it safe, there fore the check-downs were more Jaurons choice not Trents.
While I dont disagree that Jauron was waaaaaay to conservative… You really believe Trent checked down because thats what Jauron would want? Instead of throwing a 40 yard td, or hell even picking up a first down… Jauron would rather see a 2 yard dump off the the tightend?
I see your reasoning but Trent needs to be able to decide who is open on the field… Because there were plently of times last year that TO and Lee were WIDE OPEN and he chose to live up to the nickname… Capt Checkdown.
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So true…the ‘it was the coaches fault’ argument does have some merit, but it was still pretty obvious what Trent brought to the pick-nick.
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Trent
I’ve still got hope for Trent with this new coaching staff and hopefully a new LT he will show what he can do. He just needs his confidence back and restore the confidence in his teammates. He has talent we all saw that at the beginning of 2008 let’s just hope he can get back to that.
by brucesmithistheman on Mar 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
Fitzy....
Was my pick just due to the success he had while behind an attrocious carousel of O-lineman last year. He is the most mobile of the 3 but his accuracy is a concern.
I think in general he can manage the offense better when given a short leash……Plus he has the confidence of the rest of the team, unlike the others.
It only makes sense......
Brohm could benefit from not being thrusted into the position as he has not shown he is ready.
And Trent, although i would like him to be my answer, I think he may have been the answer but that hit he took against Arizona 2 years ago has been his fall from grace…
by MikeEverett08 on Mar 22, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe that’s too simple. Trent is straight up injury prone, and while Adrian Wilson can claim a big part of Trent’s fall from grace, there are a whole slew of incidents that must be playing in his head when he looks at a center’s behind.
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I was so mad.....
At that hit, and others to Trent cuz I Billeved he was the guy. Good arm, decent decison making skills, Prototypical QB size and better than Lose-Man.
That is why more than ever I am for protecting the QB on the concussion type hits….
by MikeEverett08 on Mar 22, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think in general he can manage the offense better when given a short leash
his problem is he can “manage” the offense. but. he can’t execute. That is to say, knowing which receiver to hit and hitting him are 2 different functions. His accuracy is/was bad.
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I'd be curious to hear Brian weigh in on this matter.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
He voted for Edwards
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I voted for Edwards, and based the decision purely on talent. I think he’s the most talented of the three. If I’m picking the guy that will win me the most games next year, I’m picking Fitzpatrick. But I don’t see us winning much anyway. Give Trent his last shot, and if he flames out, you move on.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
so you just dont like Brohm at all huh?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know that I’d term it “don’t like Brohm at all,” but I’m certainly not infatuated with him like a lot of people here are.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Trent deserves one last shot. Somewhere else. I can’t see him being successful here. He really needs a veteran in front of him who can help him rebuild some of his confidence. It’s not looking like that’ll happen here. But it could somewhere else. If we’re looking for him to regain something of what we all thought we saw at 4-0, it’s not going to happen behind the line we have. It’ll just reinforce the idea that if he doesn’t get rid of the ball the second it hits his hand he’s going to wind up with another concussion. He has good reason to play scared here. Wouldn’t you? But if he could get a chance somewhere where he won’t be roadkill every other snap it might help him. Why not let the kid have a crack at salvaging what’s left of his career? Is keepin him here really going to help us? Not very likely. And it isn’t going to help him, either.
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No wonder the guy is "Trentative!!!!!!!!!!!!"
In his college and pro seasons combined, Edwards has had (drumroll…..) ONE season without missing games due to injury: his sophomore year at Stanford. The tally? That’s 6 seasons of major time missed to 1healthy.
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man, my 4-0 comment struck some nerves
and went a long way(just got back the dentist, which seems to have gone the way of that comment)
Look, all I’m saying is, Brohm is an unknown. We have had SOME success with trent, before protection broke down and Arizona sent him to La,la land. Fitz is def a career back up. If we take someone like Pike or Laf, you don’t want them to start right away, do you?! I would rather see Trent start, with the possibility of keeping it that way than one of the others…O.K.?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
how can you deny that we had some success with fitz either, then?
by quantumuprising on Mar 22, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted Brohm
Because, why the hell not? Unless we draft clausen, why the hell not? I’d like to see this guy play. I know he was relegated to practice squad in GB and didn’t look great in his ONLY game last season, but he also didn’t look terrible in comparison to Fitz and Trent. I think it will be an open competition and I hope he wins it.
see above comment
would you trust Brohm to start, even as a seat warmer?
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with keeping Brohm to see what he’s got, but I think he will need more time. Not saying I’m sure. Just a hunch
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I meant while a rookie is seat warming
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
OK :-)
and I agree Brohm might have potential, but no, it’s hard to imagine he could start opening day.
a.k.a. Undee
why is it hard to imagine that Brohm starts opening day? There’s going to be a new playbook and each qb will have the same amount of time to learn it. He has as much of a chance of starting as the other 2. Chan isn’t on the hotseat so it’s not a given that he will go with the “experience” of Edwards or Fitz.
It's hard to imagine him starting opening day
because of his track record. He couldn’t overcome Matt Flynn for the GB back-up, despite being bigger, having better arm and foot speed, having more playing experience, and being drafted 6 rounds earlier.
And he does have a small, uninspiring sample of NFL work. Brohm’s stat line: 17 of 29, 146 yards, 2 interceptions.
Maybe something Brian Galliford wrote on the State of the Roster series will help demonstrate my point: Brohm, my friends, is nothing more than a developmental project player at this point. Stop with the hype. Please.
So, yes, it is hard to imagine Brohm starting opening day. I’d love to see him break through, but I could crap in one hand, and hope in the other, and see which one fills up first. :-)
a.k.a. Undee
See your point(You r making me hungry)
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks,sorry about confusion.
Dentist gave me nice feel good stuff
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeporeeno:)
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
Brian Brohm
If I had to choose without a competition I’d go with Brohm, easily. He has the best physical tools on a superficial level, and he’s not shown to be gunshy. I still like Edwards, but he has been too indecisive, obviously.
We’ve seen what Edwards has done as a starter and he may need more time to marinate to maximize his potential…. meanwhile Brohm has been marinating for 2 seasons. It’s time to put him on the grill. After all, he was considered a Top 10 prospect at one point. Imagine if the Bills had drafted him 2 years ago at the top of the 2nd round, y’all would be practically burning down One Bills Drive if wasn’t given a chance to start yet.
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See your point
But I have a thing for experience at starter.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
others have said let Trent start first then go from there. I agree
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, you r making me hungry
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
well u wanna start chopped liver while we might have a juicy rib-eye sittin in the fridge. Boooooooooo
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 22, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Wellll
there’s only one way to get experience, lol. So that’s kind of the logic that doomed DJ during his time here, was not letting some young players play and develop while he put in crappy-mediocre starters… if that’s your philosophy, I’m glad you’re not coaching
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 22, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Get Fitz outta there!!!
He’s like Brian Brohm’s Ross Perot, stealing votes… Seriously, who the hell wants Fitz and why? He sucks
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"If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again."
Agree with letting Fitz go
We know what we have with him, and yeah, he is like Ross Perot…interesting, in fact, I’ve never seen the two them in the same place before..hmm…
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
one has giant ears and the other a giant dome … lol
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by NeverendingOptimism on Mar 22, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if it really comes down to it
Fitz likely is better for the young team around him, in terms of stability.
a.k.a. Undee
Wrong
What makes you think the players want a back-up starting for their team any more than the fans do? As long as the QB that’s in there commands the huddle and leads them… it doesn’t matter how much experience he has.
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 22, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong?
I didn’t even mention ‘experience,’ I said ‘stability.’ There is a difference.
What makes you think the players want a back-up starting for their team
Well, there was this game vs the Jets when Trent got knocked out (suprise) and the team instantly perked up. So ther’s that…
a.k.a. Undee
And what exactly do you mean by stability?
Being less productive?
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
stability as in......
being out there week in week out.
I assume.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
there aren’t a whole lot of QBs that will make it thru an entire season taking those types of sacks… including Fitz (who missed a game)…
And Fitzpatrick had about as many miscues with receivers as Trent did…
We’re splitting hairs here… I’ll take the talent… and it goes like this
Brohm > Edwards > Fitzpatrick
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 22, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would anyone pick Fitz?
Do you need attention?
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 22, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yes...
i was joking…
so it’s good you laughed
But seriously…. Fitz? lol
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 22, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I thought when he signed as a FA. Now he’s the best option of the three, to help this young team build a core identity, in my humble opinion.
a.k.a. Undee
How many passes has Fitz put at the feet of his receiver?
PLENTY, TE is the best option if we have a line to protect him. At very least, he can throw an accurate pass unlke fitz.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
All Trent needs.
Is
1.) An OL that can keep him upright.
2.) To be able to hit receivers in stride.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
So start the season with Trent. Cool. He most likely will be injured a few games into the season anyway. We will either see the 4th QB mentioned by Gailey, or a mix of all three of the current guys. Whatever
a.k.a. Undee
He most likely will be injured a few games into the season anyway
Give him an NFL quality OL and I think Trent will get the job done.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I should also add.
Trent doesn’t have great anticipation.
The coaching staff will need to fix that where Trent throws 1 yard in front of the numbers instead of on the numbers like Jauron wanted.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 23, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Players want the guy that gives them the best chance to win the game on Sunday.....period!
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
touch'e Foreignarrow
if only DJ had you there to talk sense into him.Alright, let Qb battle begin, but we should all remember how the last one went… JP, Gill and somebody? man, I wish it were easier..
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
I think it was Madden that said"When you’ve got a lot of something, you’ve got nothing at all"
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 22, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was Madden that said"When you’ve got a lot of something, you’ve got nothing at all"
Madden also said 90 percent of the game is half mental…………
by mob16151 on Mar 22, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
love that line!
Rec’d
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think all of this
is neither here nor there, because Trent hasn’t been able to make it thru an entire season anyways… so at some point we’re going to see someone other than him.
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
voted Trent
but if he does not have it give it to Brohm…then Fitz
We know Fitz will be ok at best never great…Brohm could be great..this year is a chance to see what we have, if someone steps up and wins games that clears a huge hole next year. If not and more probable none of these guys can prove themselves then Gailey goes out in the draft and gets his guy next year.
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Don't care which of the 3 starts
as long as they wear those throwback uniforms in the photo—love those things
T.Edwards
Draft B.Bulaga/LOT Iowa 1rd
K.Calloway/ROT Iowa 2rd
A.Ulatoski/ROT to Convert to ROG Texas 4rd
Then make T.Edwards your QB to succeed.
E.Wood comes back you move him to OC his natural position.
Thats when he becomes healthy.
If for some reason T.Edwards is only OK for the next two years.
Then target Matt Barkley/QB USC in two years.
A Stud waiting to happen.
haha, yeah I'm a Calloway fan but he could be had in the 4-5th rounds. Not 2nd, if that is what you were sayin.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 23, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
"Its the LT that is the most important player on the team" - Bill Parcells
.. and if we can find one in the draft preferably at 9 even if we’re considered to have reached, we are likely to see improved QB play.
Edwards has had Gandy, Peters deliberately letting rushers through and Bell. Manning would struggle behind that line.
Brohm has as much chance as any other to learn the system.
But if we go QB at 9, who is going to provide the pass protection? All we will do is piss $40m up the wall as we destroy his confidence with the battering he will get every single week.
If we get a proper LT, and Edwards or Brohm still suck, we will have the chance to draft a decent QB in 2011 and stick him behind a LT who has gained experience.
Edwards
Because he is the most accurate of the bunch and becasue he has no tomorrow. Fitz will always be a backup, he can find a job.
For Trent, this is basically it for him. He needs to produce in order to either re-up or sign elsewhere. Even if its the sole purpose to just backup the newly drafted QB. I mean, when we drafted him, it wasn’t to become the starter. JP Losman had just had a pretty good year numbers wise. Essentially he was drafted to become the new AVP. Therefore, Trent needs to throw caution into the wind and become more agressive.
Additionally, I think he can become a good QB given the proper scheme and protection. I would really really really really love to see more slant routes to Lee Evans (a la NYJ game this year) and 10 yard curl routes to the slot receiver. On occassion a bomb would be nice but its surely not a priority. He has the accuracy to do this, as well these routes can be completed in a 3 step drop. Which lessens the time to get sacked.
So with proper scheme and a little agrissiveness I think Trent can be very effective for a year. Also, give him the entire year. See how he responds to a full year without worrying about getting yanked. If he sucks then we do all we can to land the top QB in next years draft.
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Throws a long ball, Trent can’t. Has never challenged for a starting job when all things are considered equal, this will be his first year. Mobile, can get out and throw a block, reads defenses better than the other two, audibles when appropriate and communicates better with WR’s, I select Fitzpatrick with Brohm right on his A$$ by mid season. Took for ever to get through these comments, I never minded being in the minority, everyone has been talking about Trent being the man during the past month or so here. I am personally not ruling out a trade with Philly for McNabb, but it would have to deal with next years draft picks, not this year and that is only if the price is right and we accomplish our critical needs in this years draft.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
my take
I have read most of the comments here and I can see some valid points from all sides. I voted Trent only because he is the one guy who I think probably will win the job out right. I think all 3 should have an equal shot at the job and and may the less crappy man win. Truth be told I don’t really want any of these 3 here as a starter in 5 years, that is given what I have seen for all 3. Could one of them improve? Sure, but the Bills will draft a QB either this year or next and I am hoping that said draft pick is the QB this team builds around because none of these 3 inspire all that much confidence.
The poll question who would I choose, and I choose the guy who has the best preseason. I have a feeling that will be Trent so that is how I voted. I know some will say that the Bills should give Brohm a shot but if he can’t out perform Trent……
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Completely agree, but on the flip side, if Trent, can’t out perform Brohm…
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then we have probably found winner of the loser bracket.
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been a part of a few consolation winning teams in HS BB Tourney's before..........
you still get a trophy for being the winner of the loser bracket :-)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 22, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Or at least a t-shirt
That’s all our QB’s are looking for anyways.
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Voted for Trent
but didn’t think he’d get so much “support”. He needs to be given a full season. Pulling him this year was bogus, even if he had lost the team as we were out of playoff contention. Force him to adapt. Force him to cope with the speed of the game.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by neverbeentobuffalo on Mar 22, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, is everybody on crack?
Not to be an internet troll or anything, but …
How on earth does Trent beat out Ryan 5 to 1… which if I recall correctly is the ratio that Ryan beat out Trent in wins? Are we in Bizarro land?
Sorry, disregard previous post due to my jackassery.
I’m sure everybody already would be, but God, I’m better than that subject line.
technically, everyone is at least sitting on a crack, so i guess the only error with your statement was the way you phrased the question.
by quantumuprising on Mar 23, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Valid point.
And I might as well mention again why I voted for Fitz — I just think that all of Fred Jackson’s and Josh Reed’s catches while Trent was under center aren’t reflective of their greatness, it’s reflective of Trent’s lack of confidence. (Lee and Terrell should’ve gotten a lot more looks in my opinion, which Fitzpatrick was at least trying to do. And Brohm… not this year. Not from what I can tell from the Falcons game.)
Anyone else think
That when they said Trent lost the locker room, they were talking about Trent losing/never having Lee Evan’s?
Brohm
Voted for Brohm, less of three evils. So confused why everybody wants to give Trent another look see! He had his chance and from all indications he was a failure. It’s kinda like gettin hit upside the head with a 2×4, how many more times we gonna get knocked upside the head before we say enough! I know the O/L was terrible, but so was Trent. Please don’t forget the fact that his teammates lost faith in him as a QB. The Bill’s would be better off picking a project player in late rds. and use him, than to start Trent. Talk about beating a dead horse. Hell Trent simply put is’nt a franchise QB, never was , never will be.
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