If the Bills are serious about getting Bradford or Clausen
I think the Rams take Bradford with the number one pick, but maybe he has a bad Pro Day or the Rams doctors don't like what they see when they look at his shoulder.
If the Rams don't take Bradford number one, then both he and Clausen will most likely be there at pick four with the Redskins on the clock. If the Rams take Bradford, then Clausen should still be there. If Bills want either Bradford or Clausen, they are going to have to trade up to 4th to be sure to get one of them. If the Redskins think Jason Campbell is their guy, they might be looking at taking a LT but not want to take one this high, especially if Okung is off the board. How about we offer to swap 1st rounders with the Redskins and throw in Lynch? I know they have Portis, but Portis has already chosen to leave Shanny once for more money when he was with Denver. Portis has also been bitten by the injury bug lately, including a concussion. I know trading Lynch isn't a popular idea around here, but if it got us a franchise QB?
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Voted No
Because -
1) I still think it is debatable whether Bradford or Clausen qualify as “franchise QBs.”
I think they look good in comparison to the rest of the QB class.
2) Gailey has talked about installing a power running game and we are already down to 2 backs including Lynch. Provided the O-Line can actually open some holes this year, I see Lynch being as valuable as anyone else on the O.
I’m not discrediting the need for a franchise QB, I just don’t see the value of one of these guys in addition to getting rid of Lynch. Now if Lynch gets in trouble again and is suspended for the year, that all goes out the window. But as of now, he’s playing.
Just in general
The Bills need one, period. I’m just not convinced either Bradford or Clausen are the guy. Neither one does anything for me. The rest of the class is pretty weak, so I think they give the illusion of being better than they are by comparison. Just my opinion of course.
only for Bradford
he is easily the best QB of the draft
i think i would stll prefer not to though and see what we have this year
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
I voted Yes
I’m on the franchise QB bandwagon. If the team feels Bradford and/or Clausen are that type of player, they need to make a move to get one if they really like them. I’m sick of seeing the Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, JP Losman, Kelly Holcomb, Drew Bledsoe and all the other scrubs with limited ceilings trotted out there. This team is going nowhere without a franchise QB. I’m not saying whether I believe either of them is a franchise QB, but if OBD feels they are, the move needs to be made.
I don’t think the trade is enough though. Does Lynch have much value?
Also, if Washington isn’t planning to take a QB there, why move up? After them, KC isn’t taking a QB. Seattle just traded for Whitehurst, Cleveland signed Delhomme and picked up Wallace (yes, they SHOULD take a QB, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t), and Oakland won’t take a QB.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
That is pretty much where I stand too
At first glance, I would agree with you about not needing to trade up to get one of the QBs, but what if the Bills like one and not the other? Also, I wouldn’t put it past a team like Seattle or Cleveland to take Bradford or Clausen and let them sit a year or two. Whitehurst might not work out and Delhomme is not a long term solution and would be a good mentor.
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why wouldnt oakland take a qb?
do you think they are set at the qb position? do you think al thinks they are? i would be surprised if he did.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Oakland invests top 10 money in another rookie QB. They’re crazy but not that crazy.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No because...
Only Bradford is worth trading up for but throwing in Lynch makes it too much. Lynch will have a huge year with Gailey, I am convinced of it and I am willing to take the chance that he no longer get’s in trouble.
I am not even convinced that I would take Claussen over Okung so for sure I would trade up for him. I’ve read too much on him that is starting to make me question his leadership/character. Not saying I wouldn’t take him at 9 but trading up is a bit steep.
Rome wasn't built in a day but there was a plan.
ha, I wonder who cast the Clausen vote,
but I wouldn’t want to go that route of trading up, we need to trade down.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 25, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
So, with my vote, your vote and anoither vote for Clausen ( 3 votes, so far), I wonder who the other one was maybe Silver, uPITT, who knows?
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 25, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
you jes never know
no it wasnt me tho. like i said i like clausen around 15-20. but would be tempted to do it for bradford. altho i dont like trading up in general…..
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
For me Clausen is a 8-20 pick kinda player, IMO.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 25, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
wow. figured you had him at no. 1
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I could see why, ha, but we both know he's not # 1.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 25, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
but walterfootball doesnt… they got a bigger man-crush on him than you do. at least they did last time I was there
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
He’s not #1 but I hope he goes at #9.
by buffalobacker on Mar 26, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, I agree, trading down good, trading up IMO, bad.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 25, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Voted no. It’s too early to give up on Lynch, and I don’t think they’d go for it anyway.
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 25, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry, that trade is laughable.
The # 4 pick for the # 9 and Lynch? No way the Skins go for that. You would need to throw in a draft pick too. Third round pick?
Maybe....depends on how much value you put on Lynch
Lynch is a high first round pick. Without his off the field issues, he still has that kind of value as a RB. Why does Brandon Marshall still have high value and Lynch does not?
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Well i think it's 2 reason's
First Marshall produces way, way, more at his position. Secondly Marshall’s not one more mistake away from a long, long, vacation.
Good points
But it is hard for a RB to produce behind an Oline like the Bills have had over the past few years. And the length of this vacation would depend to a large degree on the circumstances of the offense committed.
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I agree that Lynch very simply appears to be a back not unlike Emmitt Smith. That is he may only truly succeed with a dominant line. I know it’s not fair to say Lynch is as talented as Smith was, but no one ever saw Smith play with a bad line during his prime. So maybe he’d have been as poor as Lynch was last season.
Also, Lynch has been a good soldier so far this offseason. Doesn’t he deserve some support as he tries to right the ship?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 25, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Fred Jackson has looked okay the past two years.....behind that same line.
So you want to value Lynch based on where you picked him rather than what his performance has been? He is your second string running back, right?
Including his off the field issues, you would be lucky to get a third round draft choice for Lynch.
i thought portis was traded?
and didnt leave for more money. i thought he was in the champ bailey – portis trade.
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I was going by this
“Mike Shanahan gave me an opportunity. He asked me, man-to-man, ‘Do you want to be here? We can pay you and we’ll keep you here. Or if you feel like you want to leave, I will allow that.’ So I chose to leave,” Portis said.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/portis-gives-shanahan-a-thumbs.html
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i see.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Voted No
I’m off the franchise QB bandwagon. I’m on the “build in the trenches,” “you can’t throw when you’re on your back” bandwagon.
We’ve done nothing to improve our OL this offseason, and it wasn’t very good to begin with. We lost Butler to retirement. Cogs was let go. We don’t know about Wood. We signed some stiff off of Oakland for “depth.” And now we’re going to pass on drafting a LT in the first round, and lose one of our running backs just to stick a fresh-faced kid back there to be used as a tackling dummy? I don’t think it makes sense. We’ve seen what happens to “franchise QBs” thrown into this situation.
Plus I’m with billskk69 in having my doubts about either Bradford or Clausen being franchise QBs. If one of them falls to us at 9 then we’re probably going to take them. But I wouldn’t trade up.
I would prefer we take an LT with the first pick unless OBD thinks Bradford and/or Clausen are franchise QBs
You can’t pass on a franchise QB if you don’t already have one.
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Agree
Very logical, If QB’s there at #9 you grab him. If not, gotta get OT. There’s possibility that we could get Clausen 1st pick and BTA (best tackle available) with 2nd rd pick.
by buffalobacker on Mar 25, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
you can pass on a franchise QB
if they’re not the right QB for your franchise. you cannot mess up a first round pick at the most important position.
agree
You can choose to pass on any player. That’s OBD’s decision. Not sure what you mean by “mess up” a pick? But if you think there’s a “sure thing” pick out there alot of teams need you on their payroll. And yes, I think Clausen could be a franchise QB for our team. Teams “mess up” on picks all the time.
by buffalobacker on Mar 26, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't claim to be an expert by any means
and i know that teams mess up on picks all the time, thank you. I just really, really don’t want the Bills to “mess up” on choosing their next QB of the future. I don’t want them to pick a QB this year just because they feel they have to, especially when we need help just about everywhere else on the field. If OBD feels extremely excited about working with Jimmy Clausen and they take him, great. I don’t get excited about him, and I want to be dancing on the bar with joy when we pick a high-round QB.
Call it a gut feeling. You can shower me with stats about JC’s greatness, but I’m just not feeling it. I know Chix will get skewered by the media and a good portion of the fan base if they pass on Clausen if he’s sitting there at 9, but they’ll get a hearty golf clap from me.
O.K.
Nope not gonna shower you with stats, I’m not that kinda fan. Just don’t think you can draft afraid to make a “mistake”. Chix is gonna be second guessed no matter who we pick. I firmly believe we need a QB, whether OBD see’s one in this draft or FA is anyone’s guess. As a Bill’s fan since the mid seventies I as well don’t want Buffalo to mess-up in first rd, or any rd. I also want to live to be 100, doesn’t mean I’m going too. Just saying it’s a gamble when you draft, no sure thing. I wasn’t meaning to be condescending. Just responded to your statement. Later
by buffalobacker on Mar 26, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
agree 100% about not drafting scared
I also believe in drafting pro-actively, especially when it comes to QB’s. Identify your guy, do what you need to in order to get him, and surround him with the players and coaching he needs in order to excel. That’s a lot of investment and time, and I don’t want it going to a “consolation prize” or a “safe pick” which, while admittedly is kind of harsh, is what I view Jimmy Clausen as.
This is a good convo, and the QB situation is the crux of the draft for me. If we take one high it moves LT to the second priority and possibly moves WR up the list past either NT or OLB. Probably reserves a later-round pick for waterbug RB too. We focus on stabilizing the O and building it up for future success. If we don’t take a QB high I don’t know if we should take one at all. Focus on the defense, O-line, and running game instead. Phew, so many options, so many holes!
by k8 on Mar 26, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not passing on them
if they dont fall to you
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
whups
didnt really pay attention there, my bad
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Rams
nab McNabb, Clausen will likely be there @ 9, and Bradford has a small chance. No need to trade up if Donovan goes to St. Louis.
a.k.a. Undee
that is possible but not by any means certain
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I think McNabb’s an Eagle this season, I really do.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 25, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Skins won't make that trade!
They want Bradford, so they aren’t going to let us trade with them to give us Bradford. The only scenario I can see where we get Bradford is the Rams get McNabb and trade #1 to us for #9 + ________. Obviously, if the Rams get McNabb, we might be able to get Claussen at 9, but I don’t see his ceiling being as high as Bradford’s, hence don’t want him.
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I voted no.
I don’t see the Redskins wanting Lynch. They have a rather talented backfield with Portis, Betts, that other guy, and Larry Johnson now.
Or did they not pick up Spitmaster Larry?
You trade up with the Skins too early and someone else who wants one of those 2 QBs calls the Bucs to give them a ransom of picks for the right to select ahead of the Bills. I can see that happening.
I think the Bills need to stay put at 9, pick the best talent available then, and move along.
Similarly, I would love McNabb as a Bill, but even he would set this franchise back in terms of building for the future. They need the picks, not the quick fix.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 25, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
"that other guy"
I love him! He’s the best! Wait, who?
I don’t think the Skins would want Lynch because Shanahan is crazy. He likes going with no names and spending very little to acquire RB’s.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Makes sense
Shanahan is crazy.
No wonder it didn’t work out between him and Al Davis. They kept pissing off each others’ imaginary friends.
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NO
You weaken the RB position on the club to draft an unproven QB, who could possibly be a bust!!! NO WAY
Voted No
Marshawn Lynch for Donte Whitner … and have them throw in a 5th rounder and I’m all for it.
Most Teams carry four RB's on their roster.
Especially if they are to be a run oriented offense. We currently have two, need a minimum of one more if not two more. Yes, there will be other options coming available for us but still cutting ourselves that thin at a critical position isn’t the wisest idea. I do agree if there is a franchise QB that we should do what we need to get him. It is a critical need and I am all for it but it needs to be a reward/reward situation not a risk potential reward situation. I voted no, and I don’t believe good running backs grow on trees. You can get a running back anywhere in the draft, but not always a good one.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
no qb
no qb will be any good with are ot right now need ot first!
Breath
OBD is gonna address OT somewhere in draft!! We have more than one pick, breath.:)
by buffalobacker on Mar 25, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted No.
If i’m swapping picks with the skins, i’m taking Okung and looking for a QB next year while Okung develops to protect the blindside along side Levitre.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 26, 2010 4:06 AM EDT reply actions
I voted YES, but only for Bradford.
I would most certainly give up whatever is necessary to draft Bradford and solidify our QB position for the next 10-15 years. Yes, count me in. Take whatever you need to make it happen. Sit Bradford for one year, take a franchise LT next year.
Bradford is worth it, in my opinion. If accuracy in college is the best indicator of NFL success, then Bradford will be a good QB in the NFL.
NO need
to trade Lynch we have two backs and if we get rid of Lynch who is going to fill the 2nd RB slot a 4th rounder cause we still need a LT and a DT and OLB…look it this year we build through the draft next year we can juggle around the idea of trading some people we cant afford to lose more quality DEPTH and i like Bradford I am a big Oklahoma fan but we cant trade up to get him this year sorry we need to much more to start giving away players that are quality DEPTH.
I put Depth is caps because we have lacked it for so long with all the injuries and we dont need another season of Buffalo Bills Injury Football
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