Why the Bills shouldn't pursue Donovan McNabb... yet
I've abstained from discussing the ongoing trade saga - or lack thereof - of Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb. Will St. Louis make a move for him? How about Oakland, or even our beloved Buffalo Bills? Does McNabb even want to play for one of those teams? If he's moved, will McNabb's new team be anything more than rent-a-franchise for a year before moving on to greener pastures?
The worst-kept secret in the NFL right now is that the Bills need a franchise quarterback. It's why the majority of mock drafters don't have the Bills passing on a QB if one is available in their projection. It's why self-represented free agents want to talk to this franchise. It's why the Bills would even be interested in a 34-year-old quarterback with one year remaining on his deal in the first place. I don't think it can be understated just how desperate Buffalo's desire for a franchise QB is.
I'm sure you read the headline of this post and are looking for the opinion portion of the article as justification. Here it is: Buffalo's not building for the short term. That's it. I won't deny that a McNabb-to-Buffalo trade would ignite the city the way only a Bledsoe or Owens deal has done the past decade. A move like that might even make the Bills a fringe playoff contender in 2010. There are lots and lots of good reasons to try to make a move for Donovan. Those reasons don't make it advisable.
The best reason to trade for a veteran quarterback, however, is to set your franchise up for the long-term. Let's imagine for a moment that McNabb is on this roster. The Bills are fringe playoff contenders. They still lack identity offensively and defensively, they still lack foundation players, and they'd better get it right in this one year, or McNabb is walking and we're back to square one.
More importantly, they'd still be lacking a long-term solution at quarterback. In an ideal world, McNabb would buy Buffalo time to groom said long-term QB solution. But this is not an ideal trade - not because it's McNabb, not by a long shot, but because McNabb only has one year remaining on his deal. The tide turns if McNabb agrees to add a year or two onto the end of that deal (likely at exorbitant salaries, which are deserved) for his new team. Then the pursuit makes a great deal more sense.
GM Buddy Nix has one shot to get this right. He knows it. Ralph Wilson knows it. The organization as a whole knows it. The fan base knows it. Nix has displayed patience in free agency, and he'd be smart to do the same in this situation. Trading even a second-rounder for McNabb, as his deal exists now, would be a gigantic step toward career suicide, and more importantly, a huge stumbling block for the progress of the franchise. Rent-a-McNabb is a terrible plan. If that deal is extended, and only if the deal is extended, does it make even a small amount of sense for the Bills.
I'm not going to write about this again until something more concrete happens, because Philadelphia doesn't have to do anything with its star quarterback until early May. It's pretty clear that Nix and the Bills organization have informed the Eagles that they're interested in McNabb. Now they should - and likely will - back off. Let McNabb's camp decide what they want to do with the contract, and where they'd like him to play out the remainder of his stellar career. If things break well (i.e. he extends his deal and doesn't whine about destination), then Buffalo should re-open their pursuit of No. 5.
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I think the only way they make this trade is if they agree to an extension first.
What type of value would swapping 1st Rounders give the Eagles?
- overall is worth 1350, #24 overall is worth 740. The difference of 610 puts the value between #30 (620) and #31 (600).
by tm on Mar 26, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually don't mind the idea at all.
I was more opposed to giving up 41 for McNabb. I think in this deep draft I’d rather have 24 and 41 (along with McNabb) in my pocket than just 9 and McNabb.
Assuming
again assuming of course that he signs at least a 2 yr extension
It’s definitely not the worst idea. They’d have filled the hole at QB, plus still be able to address LT & NT with the 24th and 41st picks.
by tm on Mar 26, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that I see this as realistic...
if McNabb signs an extension…
if Buffalo is able to trade for him w/ the above-proposed trade…
Then it would one hell of a move…and I would be all for it.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They’d have filled the hole at QB
Yeah, for 1 year. After that we’re back to nothing, and they STILL don’t have a long term answer in that situation. The idea of filling the QB spot so they can win right now is not a good enough reason to trade a high pick for an old QB that will only remain 1 year.
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by UZ on Mar 26, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole conversation was based on McNabb signing the extension though…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone would disagree with that
Is there anyone who thinks the Bills should trade for McNabb if it appears he is unwilling to sign here past this year?
You should get almost 100% agreement on that, I would think.
I was hoping you’d tell us why it’s a bad decision to acquire McNabb even if he resigned with the Bills past this year. Now that opinion I would be interested in!
out of curiosity...
what pick would you be willing to give up for a 1-year deal? I might be in the minority in this one, but a third for a year of serviceable QB play would be fine by me. I understand that using past third-round picks to judge value doesn’t make a lot of sense bc this is a new FO team, but they are so hit-or-miss, I would rather take the chance of getting him for a year and making enough progress to sign him.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Mar 26, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I just don't see how bringing in McNabb to lead us to 4-5 more wins helps us next year
But I’m prob in the minority. I don’t see a difference between a 3-13 record and a 7-9 record, except that after the season we have a worse draft pick. I want them to “bottom out” and become a bad team and rebuild like the Pittsburgh Penguins did with Crosby and Malkin….opps, wrong sport, but you get the idea.
I know other people think you need good QB play to develop the other players, get a sense of winning, yada yada yada, but I don’t subscribe to that.
So to me, to bring McNabb in for one year is not helpful. I would give up like a 6th rounder maybe.
by StroudFanClub on Mar 26, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
a one year deal serves no other purpose than to sell tickets. got that done last season with TO and didn’t have to give up a pick to do it. At most, an un-extended deal is worth maybe a first round swap plus a 5th round pick, but would still just be a PR tool. I don’t like the idea. Extension or nothing, IMO.
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Totally agree...
I want them to "bottom out" and become a bad team and rebuild like the Pittsburgh Penguins did with Crosby and Malkin….opps, wrong sport, but you get the idea.
Im not a hockey fan, but Pitt sucked when Lemeaux (or however its spelled) retired, until they got Crosby with the top pick.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping you’d tell us why it’s a bad decision to acquire McNabb even if he resigned with the Bills past this year. Now that opinion I would be interested in!
Well, sorry. I don’t hold that opinion.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 26, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
How about this then: How long can I grieve for before I have to get back to normal life
I am speaking about the Butler debacle, of course…….
by StroudFanClub on Mar 26, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
SFC
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by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that is why I would have been interested in that opinion
Cause knowing you thought it would be a good idea to sign Pennington for a few years, I thought you’d def be in favor of getting McNabb in here for a few years as well. At the right price, of course. So that’s why the title of the article fooled me a bit!
by StroudFanClub on Mar 26, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha. Maybe it was written for that purpose. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 26, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I should have known! Brian, you'd be good at chess I'd imagine
Always thinking 2-3 moves ahead.
by StroudFanClub on Mar 26, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d prefer a more sarcastic headline, something like “Signing McNabb to a long-term contract would undermine the wildly successful Bills QB development program”.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely agree. I’m not a McNabb hater but he is getting older, would have to learn a new system, and command a hefty salary as well as cost draft position or picks. No thanks. The pressure should be on Philly anyway holding onto 3 QBs will eat away at their cap like nobodies business so they will make a move either way just not nec. to Buffalo.
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Why I completely disagree with this article...now.
While I agree with Brian that McNabb is not going to lead anyone to a playoff in Buffalo this year, DiCeasre’s article in the Buffalo News outlines the best reason to get a Vet QB such as McNabb: To bridge over the next few years.
The fact of the matter is, no one knows how good any of the QBs in the draft class are-we have the same guesses about it as we have every year. It could be Marino and Kelly and Elway…or it could be Couch and Leaf and Ware. You don’t know.
What you do know is that the Buffalo Bills have a hell of a lot more holes on this team than QB. What you do know is that Buffalo has absolutely no leadership/identity on offense. What you do know is that unlike a litany of Bills QBs, Donnavan F. McNabb has playoff experiences, can throw the ball and is willing to play on a broken ankle.
If Buffalo could sign a guy like McNabb it brings in veteran leadership at a key position. You would also assume that if he’s coming in, he’s been signed for a few years-that gives you a window at QB to find and groom. That gives you the freedom to sign an OT/NT in the first round (no one is giving up their 1st this year for him, I guarantee) this year rather than gamble on a QB that is only highly rated b/c there are no other highly rated QBs. In essence you buy credibility by signing McNabb, and you buy yourself the first thing that doesn’t reek of “loser” on this team in a while (Brian Moorman and a few scant others not withstanding).
Of course, the real problem is that he won’t want to come to Buffalo-there are better options for him (particularly St. Louis with friends, an indoors and a fairly weak division). But this isn’t the question. The question is not “will Buffalo sign McNabb” or “does McNabb want to come here” but “should Buffalo pursue McNabb?”
From the Bills perspective there is a great deal to be made here at the right value, and I would be sorely disappointed if Buffalo didn’t at least puruse it.
Brian only said it is a bad idea to trade for McNabb on his current contract of 1 year remaining
He didn’t give his opinion on bringing in McNabb for more than 1 year yet. Do you disagree we shouldn’t bring him in for 1 year only?
by StroudFanClub on Mar 26, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
In that case...no. But....
But I don’t think any team is bringing in for only one year. That would be career suicide for everybody (except, apparently, Minnesota which can get away with that).
But Brian also said:
Rent-a-McNabb is a terrible plan. If that deal is extended, and only if the deal is extended, does it make even a small amount of sense for the Bills.
My real point is that it makes more than a “small amount of sense” if the deal is extended. The team that realistically trades for McNabb stands to gain a lot.
I agree with you. I don't think anyone is advocating renting McNabb for one year
Which is why I was hoping we would get Brian’s thoughts on if it’s a good idea to trade for McNabb if he plays 3-4 years for your team.
by StroudFanClub on Mar 26, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL, so you didn’t disagree with the article, just my choice of words. I can deal with that. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 26, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, no biggie. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 26, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Bob DiCeasre said the same thing as Brian, though. It only makes sense if McNabb agrees to a three-year contract.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Vikings are smart..
They will trade their #30 for McNabb.
They currently have fallen victim to the Brett-a-donna saga and are in limbo. Even if Brett decides to come back in 2010 it’s almost guaranteed he won’t be there in 2011.
We certainly cannot ignore the Chilli / McNabb connection here. The Vikings are really close and McNabb would be just as good as Favre to put them over the top. McNabb knows the system and he wants to have a chance at a ring. Donovan would jump at the opportunity and would extend his contract in a heartbeat. The Vikes could not only get there but stay there for a few good years. I will be surprised if McNabb goes anywhere else.
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is coming back, and the Vikes can’t keep mortgaging draft picks. They have many veteran players and need to start reloading at OL/DL positions.
McNabb is a nice idea for a team like Buffalo, but the fact that this is year 1 of the rebuild under Gailey, and the fact that Ralph will undoubtedly scoff at giving McNabb a 3 year extension at $12M or so a year, makes this thing hard to foresee happening. I’m firmly in the camp that Buffalo needs to just have a good draft this year, let the chips fall where they may, and do everything in their power to get the QB of the future in the 2011 draft.
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I disagree with you on this one. Brett did not confirm anything yet and getting McNabb, a great QB with at least 2-3 more good year left in his tank would ensure that they stay at the top for the foreseeable future.
It’s looking more & more like Claussen will be there at #9 and I can’t see them passing on him.
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Brett did not confirm anything yet
He’s Brett Favre, he doesn’t need to.
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by UZ on Mar 26, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I can tell you that if I were the GM I would pursue McNabb in a flash. I’d make sure it’s kept confidential until the deal gets done but I sure as hell would prusue him. He would give my franchise a chance to go to repeat Superbowl appearances. If Brett’s feelings get hurt in the process, too bad.
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How in the world would a team manage Favre and McNabb on the same team? You just know Favre is coming back as soon as training camp wraps up. So if they sign McNabb, and Favre wants back in, do they turn their back on the guy who got them to within 1 throw of the SB?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 26, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
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Bleh
The crippling contract that extending a QB on the wrong side of the hill (with an extensive injury history) in itself is enough to make me want no parts of this. Now, I admit, McNabb is one of my least favorite prominent athletes of the last decade; I simply despise his personality. But that’s not the reason to stay away from him. Adding the contract that McNabb would cost is simply not worth it for a team that is trying to rebuild from the ground up. If Bledsoe was a misguided addition in retrospect, McNabb would be 10 times worse. Stop looking for temporary solutions to a chronic problem and get a young, talented QB, OBD. McNabb, his contract, and his emotional baggage (violins in the background) are simply not worth the time and effort.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
by Port Royal on Mar 26, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bledsoe was not a misguided addition. In fact Mike Mularkey and Tom Donahoe’s jobs were almost saved by that guy. If they have made the playoffs that year Donahoe might still be here and Mularkey would have had at least one more season.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
totally disagree
The bottom line is that Buffalo gave up a #1 pick to a division rival for a QB who had a half a good season in three years as the starting QB. That’s not a good return. It was a gamble that didn’t work out, plain and simple.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
He had the best season throwing the ball in Buffalo Bills history and another in the top seven. He led two of the top nine scoring offenses in Bills history. It’s OK to say the experiment didn’t work because they never made the playoffs but I don’t think the blame for that falls on Bledsoe. He had two very good years in Buffalo including a Pro Bowl and another solid year in Dallas after the Bills let him go. I’m not saying it was the best move in Bills history but if they go to the playoffs and it saves a few guys jobs I think they would have called it successful and we wouldn’t be complaining about a decade-long playoff drought.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 28, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Captain Obvious
Does anyone think OBD should swap a 2nd round pick for a one year McNabb deal? Maybe Philly, but nobody else outside of the psych ward.
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Okay, just to provide a bit of comic relief in everyone's day
What in the world would happen if McNabb came here and Trent Edwards didn’t want to give up his jersey number?!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 26, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
The problems
Bledsoe was supposed to bring veteran readership but all the team was doing was hiding the cracks.
The issue with McNabb comes down to personality – is he the sort of guy who would genuinely provide leadership? or will he more likely throw his team mates under the bus if he doesn’t get his own way.
And his injuries are a problem. If he couldn’t remain healthy with Tra Thomas defending his blindside what hope does he have with Demetrius Bell or a rookie there?
By trading for McNabb, all we are doing is putting a bandaid on a fractured leg. What we need to do in not just this draft but in 2011 and in 2012 is build a roster from the ground up not just panic into quick solutions.
by Kernowboy on Mar 26, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I agree
Build up this roster with the next 2-3 drafts instead of pouring some ’Tussin on a broken leg.
Although I still don’t understand your desire for an instant impact rookie in the other discussion…
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2010 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Instant impact
For instant impact I want a guy who can start from Day 1 on either side of the trenches, preferably the OT, not another RB or WR etrc
Under Donahoe and since, we seem to have constantly gone after skills players like McGahee, Evans, Losman, Lynch etc without actually getting the fundamentals of the team established. During this period the Pats took non-flashy guys like Warren and Wilfork and Mankins and look how well it has served them
I agree that the trenches should be a priority
But I’m not saying someone has to be an instant impact player. You want a big trench guy, and not a skill position player. That’s fine, but that’s also different than wanting an instant impact guy only. If we draft Dan Williams and he only plays a handful of snaps each week as he progresses, would you be upset?
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2010 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HAHA
instead of pouring some ’Tussin on a broken leg
Headaches…take some ’Tussin
Stomach aches…take some ’Tussin
Broken leg…put some ’Tussin on it and walk it off
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by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Tra Thomas? Don’t you mean Jason Peters? Thomas is looking for a job, if that’s who he wants.
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Tra Thomas
was McNabb’s LT between 1999 and 2009 before Peters joined and he couldn’t stay healthy during this period either.
Thomas was there for a long time
McNabb couldn’t stay healthy throughout is his point…
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree with Kernow
Bringing in a QB in his mid-30s who has been having increasing problems with injuries and is on the downslope of his career is not the way to build a franchise. The way to develop a young QB is to give him playing time. McNabb would prevent that. And the business about having a vet like McNabb to mentor someone makes no sense with a coaching staff full of teachers who are good at developing QB’s. It would be a total waste of a draft pick IMO even if McNabb did sign a three to four year contract.
by Macktruck on Mar 26, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bledsoe was supposed to bring veteran readership
Veteran readership? I thought that’s what Poz and K were for?
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
I saw that coming!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 26, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether or not you want him to be the next QB in Buffalo, I think we might all hope he doesn’t suffer the fate of joining the Raiders. He deserves better than that.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 26, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
McNabb isn't worth it
If we want a 34 year old band-aid, I don’t want to be giving up 2nd or 3rd round picks and potentially $12M per season for a few years if he actually decides to extend here. I don’t think McNabb would be adding more than a handful of wins a year, leaving us still a fringe playoff contender at best. If we were further along in the re-build, it would make more sense to chase a vet QB like this, but we simply aren’t.
I’m probably one of the few, but I don’t believe in McNabb either. He sure seems to pack it in in most pressure situations, and has way too many bad games for a supposed elite QB.
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2010 10:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Are you o.k. with the possibility of throwing a potential franchise QB draft pick into the fire around mid-season this year if one of the three left-overs doesn’t blossom?
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Depending on how hot the fire is
If the kid would get beat up behind a suspect line, then probably not. When the kid is ready, you let him play.
I think we can all assume no blossoming will occur from our current trifecta of suck.
I don’t want to go after McNabb because of the draft pick cost and financial considerations. We can’t fix a fester wound by putting a used up, dirty bandage around it. This team needs a young face of the franchise to build around, not an aging question mark for decoration.
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Come on K
I think we can all assume no blossoming will occur from our current trifecta of suck.
I dont assume any of them will be great, but I sure as hell haven’t written off Brohm. He has played all of 1 game behind a horrid O-Line.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think highly enough of Brohm
to actually consider him a viable option or potential long term solution…
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And I’m still sruprised at the number of people who do.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a little unfair to Brohm
but I get your point…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to clarify why I thinks its unfair...
Brohm was being coached by Jauron/Schonert and he had one week to prepare behind a horrible OLine…how many QBs would look good in that situation? I just think QBs are held to unrealistic expectations.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I'm not even taking that coaching into account
I didn’t like him coming out of college, I didn’t like how poorly he performed in GB and I didn’t see anything in his limited action last year to lead me to believe he’ll amount to anything. That game against doesn’t mean much to me, but his prior performances and lack of accuracy doesn’t give me any hope for him.
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2010 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brohm needs to be viewed as a lottery ticket trhat you can’t depend on at this point or in other words, a perfect #3 QB until he shows something…I never understood keeping an older QB like Hamdan around all those years in that spot when Buffalo was neither grooming him or confident enough in him to get him on the field. I like the Brohm addition, but the team needs to proceed as if he’s a non-factor and since he was waived after one year in the league by the team that drafted him in the second round, that is still the most likely of outcomes.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
Brohm wasn’t on the team until after both Schonert and Jauron were fired.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 28, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with entire 1st paragraph and Rec'd (first paragraph only!)
by StroudFanClub on Mar 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
So I guess I earn a de-rec after that!!!
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2010 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agree on all acounts here
Age, draft pick compensation, heft of contract, spotty track record in in big games, etc…McNabb is a terrible fir for what Buffalo should be looking for. I maintain that Buffalo should be looking to draft a QB high with the intent to groom him in their offense as well as find a 1 year competent (that rules out Edwards and Fitzpatrick) band-aid option to start in September. This band aid shouldn’t cost a 2nd rounder or a $10 million+ multi-year contract. McNabb is a terrible fit for the Bills.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
Into the fire
Do we really have the luxury of “grooming” a rookie QB? Like it or not, I don’t think we do. It’s not realistic to think we can solidify are offensive line, get a franchise QB and secure a vet QB to groom said rookie. We gotta take chances and hope O/L stays healthy, pass on Mcnabb, maybe get QB in draft and he’d play behind whomever ends up starting this year, maybe even taking over at some point. Everyone extolls the need for a QB but is leary of subjecting him to our O/L. I say if he’s good he’ll be fine, if he breaks oh well wouldn’t be first time! Hell were due a little luck!!
This is the PERFECT time to groom a rookie QB...
Do we really have the luxury of "grooming" a rookie QB?
Yes. Yes, we do. This is the first year of a rebuild, the Coach &/or GM can get the QB they want, and groom him. I dont want a rookie QB playing too much this year at all, regardless if he is even the most talented QB on the team, still a rookie and still needs to time to learn how to prepare, practice, watch gamefilm, learn the playbook. I hope we are awfull next year in terms of our record. I want to see 10-14 losses by a TD or less, not that I necessarily want my team to lose mind you, I want the better draft picks and I dont want the rookie (this year or next) to be saddled with unrealistic expectations. I can already see the Buffalo media annointing our next rookie QB as the next Jim Kelly, its sad how people build things in their heads that dont represent reality. Low expectations and solid moves gradually building a winner. Ok, now rip me if you want, I am steadfast in my fandom, so another losing season, 16 sad Sundays and 16 worse Mondays (from trying to make the sad Sundays go away) is no big deal to me. I want an early pick in what is hopefully, a draft with rookie draft deals slotted by pick, negating the big money problem with early picks (which would be very advantageous for trading down if we wanted). Even with a lost year, that is my ideal situation. I am in it for the long haul.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Renting a starter for one year would be a terrible idea with any QB. Not just McNabb.
I say that we don’t trade for anyone. If we suck next year, then we suck next year, big deal. Lets do things right! Renting a QB for one year is NOT doing things right.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 26, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
I have no problem with renting a starter. I have a problem with giving up picks. If we could sign a decent FA vet for only one year, I’d do it in a heartbeat. What possible reason could anyone have not to?
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No thanks......
McNabb isnt the answer…..how do you do a complete rebuild with a guy who has as many miles on him as he does?
Thanks but no thanks.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 26, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
McNabb
i hope buffalo stays so damn far away from this guy. he should remind everyone of Delhomme,just more polish. he’s NO BIG GAME quarterback. to me,he is what he is,good enough to lust after,but, no lasting love!! lol.he’s tough,he’s got arm strength,but, brain dept,he has always seemed a lot stupid.this guy has all the tools,but, always falls apart in big games.BUFFALO, LOOK AT HIS RECORD,SEE ALL HIS BIG GAMES AND DECIDE ACCORDINGLY.
What you say is fine, and I understand the sentiment. Saying that, for Buffalo to even have the opportunity to play in a big, meaningful game. I’d take it with McNabb any day over what’s likely to continue for some time.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 26, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
just sayin...
lol.he’s tough,he’s got arm strength,but, brain dept,he has always seemed a lot stupid.
a.k.a. Undee
Agreed
He’s a choker and an excuse maker. I really don’t like him as a player on or off the field…stay away.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
One thing that I think is getting overlook
I’m not advocating for Buffalo to trade or not trade for McNabb. Frankly, I haven’t formed a strong opinion on the potential move just yet. But I do think something very basic is getting overlooked. Even if Buffalo trades for McNabb without giving him a new deal, it’s not necessarily determinative that McNabb would only be a Bill for one year.
Buffalo could keep McNabb for up to three years using the tools of the franchise and transition tag. As it stands now, a team could only use a franchise tag on a player once, but is allowed to use a transition tag on a player in two consecutive years. So by way of example only (there are literally dozens of different ways the Bills could go about doing this), Buffalo could trade for McNabb without giving him a new contract in 2010, use the transition tag on him in 2011 (if there is even football!) and then the franchise tag on him in 2012. By that time McNabb would be 37 years old.
Of course, there are many fluid variables not to be overlooked. Will a new CBA change the rules pertaining to transition and franchise tags? Will there even be football in 2011? Would McNabb refuse to sign the tag? (He may moan about it, but a 35 year old QB wouldn’t have much leverage on an organization that tags him – sign or retire would likely be his only options.) If Buffalo used a transition tag, would another team sign him to a contract with a poison pill in it? (Unlikely in my opinion and it would still afford Buffalo compensation via draft picks in return).
The point off all of this is not to advocate for Buffalo to trade for McNabb without giving him a contract extension, but to illustrate that the absence of a contract extension doesn’t necessarily mean Buffalo has decided to go the "rent-a-McNabb" route.
John I.
Always a possibility John
But you have to consider the cost of using the Franchise Tag on a QB.
Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are going to be getting new deals this year. I think Drew Brees just signed a new deal, or will soon. Ben Roethlisberger, if he’s not in FPMITA prison, has a huge deal getting a hefty yearly salary. Brett Favre, if still around, will have a $12+m per year deal. Matt Stafford’s salary might be bigger than expected, without looking it up. Tony Romo got a new deal recently, as did Eli Manning for a huge sum of greenbacks. Sam Bradford will be earning a ton per year soon. I think Carson Palmer’s contract is way too big for him, as well.
Without running the numbers right now, and without knowing this year’s franchise # for QB’s, I’d have to guess in a year or two, the one year salary would be in the neighborhood of $14-15m. Unless this team is a miraculous contender at that point, I just don’t see how that would be worth it at all….
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2010 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
nah man.......
i believe you’d get your #^$ kicked saying something like that man……..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 26, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You can use the franchise tag twice. They get 110% of the previous year’s franchise amount.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No Thanks
A couple of years I was pulling for the Bills to go after McNabb or Farve. That’s when it looked like the O-line was on the verge of being an above average unit. Then Mouse McNally retired and Peter Potamus pulled his hold-out and the cohesiveness of the unit sank faster than the Titanic!!!
The Bills should stay committed to building thru the draft and continue to pick up role players that could contribute as starters. If the Bills build a winner “The Players will come”!
At this stage of McNabb’s career he deserves to go to a contender that he could help get over the hump and not to a team such as Buffalo that is just about in a total rebuilding mode with a below average O-line in front of him…
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Before the dumb-headed dismantling of the O-line prior to last season, I thought the Bills were just lacking in the skill positions. Now they’re lacking a whole lot more. Because in the 2007 and 2008 seasons, Edwards was getting what I would call, pretty decent pass protection, but he just wasn’t finding guys open. That was most likely due to below – average receivers not getting open, and predictable play-calling by Jauron/Schonert. Then they went ahead and traded Peters, creating a huge hole on the blind side and cutting Derrick Dockery and Langston Walker to complete reschuffle the line. These guys weren’t the most athletic, talented run blockers but they seemed to be getting the job done at protecting the passer.
If they had Peters/Dockery/Hangartner/Butler/Walker as a starting line last season, I would bet anyone here that Edwards would have had a very good season and the Bills would have made a strong playoff push.
The core of their problems exists in the offensive line. Once you fix that, then you’re going to see improved quarterback play no matter whom is behind center. And now of course, they have to bring in a NT and OLB for their new D, and offensively they need Hardy and Stevie Johnson to step up in the Slot and WR positions or they need to look in the draft and/or bring in a veteran FA.
I like the idea of a 1st rnd swap for Mcnabb,(maybe throw in a 5th next year) IF he signs a two year deal…(at least)
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 26, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
lost in all of this is the fact.......
that there is a reason that guys like Charlie Whitehurst & Derek Anderson are getting overpaid deals from some of these teams… add in the fact that a guy who should certainly know something about the QB position (Mike Holmgren) would “find it hard to take” the Rumblings golden boy Jimmy Clausen speaks volumes….. aside from maybe (big maybe) Bradford…. very few NFL talent evaluators (not draftniks or fans) apparently, truly believes that the QB’s in this draft class are the next Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Drew Brees……. McNabb (only with an extension of no more than 3 years) might actually be worth a shot.
I’m not saying we need have a win now mindset about a trade such as swapping #1’s, but quite obviously, OBD did not think highly enough of any of the available “second tier” QB’s as stop gap measures or learning examples for a young rookie. If they are in fact thinking about cutting Fitz and or Edwards & if a QB they like is available in the draft, then a I would certainly rather have a guy like McNabb being the one they hold the clipboard for a few years.
Not to mention, public relations & revenue stream increases are not a bad thing to have on a perennial (10 year) also ran who resides in a small market…… done the correct way, it could be a decent situation.
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Its all draft mumbo jumbo
If Holmgren is so against Clausen, why are the Browns bothering to bring him in for a private workout/interview?
Don’t believe everything that you’re hearing or seeing now. Its all draft posturing.
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2010 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Holmgren's M.O.
Holmgren certainly knows QB talent having worked with HOFers Montana & Young and future HOFer Farve. In Green Bay he traded for Farve drafted Hasselback which whom he eventually traded for when he left for Seattle. Now he heads to the Browns cleans house of QB’s an trades for Seneca Wallace—why? He might feel that Wallace could be a starter at least for a year while Clausen sits the bench. Holmgren is a sligh old fox that will not tip his hand on Clausen, Clausen has the traits he looks for—mobile, accurate and tutored in a pro style offense.
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by Goose22 on Mar 27, 2010 8:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good post.....rec'd
Wallace is this years backup, while Delhomme mentors Clausen. I have said all along that Clausen doesn’t make it to us at #9.
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A Joke!
McNabb is a clown and we need football players of talent and youth on this team.
Giving up a pick for him for the short term is foolish.
Bills team needs:
Three out of five new starters on the offensive line.
Two new fullbacks to help on special teams and block for our running back studs.
Two young slant wr’s
Three new linemen for the 3/4 defense.
Two more linebackers for the 3/4 defense.
Two new strong safties for the 3/4 defense.
This is a lot of needs and getting the clown name McNabb would hinder us from progress and our needs.
To many needs and to little time.
Wake up Buffalo Bills!

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