Bills need to be hole-pluggers starting Friday
We're less than 48 hours away from the start of the 2010 NFL free agent signing period, if you'll believe it. When the league begins its new season at midnight early Friday morning, the Buffalo Bills - led by the new-look decision-making hierarchy of GM Buddy Nix, Assistant GM Doug Whaley and head coach Chan Gailey - will begin re-tooling their beleaguered team. Again.
We recently took a look at 41 unrestricted free agents that could be of interest to the Bills as the team starts knocking positions off its mountainous needs list. With restricted free agent tenders due by tomorrow (Thursday), players that are no longer of interest to their current teams may become unrestricted free agents, which could alter the UFA landscape, if only slightly. Still, the next two days bear watching, as some solid players might become available as unrestricted free agents or with low-round restricted tenders.
What follows after the jump is a potential plan of attack the team could employ. The players listed are only examples of the type of player the team could target; some might be actual targets of the team, but we won't know that until we know, as they say. You're free, of course, to discuss the merits of your own free agent strategies in the comments section.
A quick 2009 recap
You might not find this particularly relevant - it's not, because Nix, Whaley and Gailey weren't making these decisions - but the Bills have been very active early in free agency in the past. Last season, the Bills decided that they needed to address three positions primarily via free agency - backup quarterback, center and wide receiver. The team immediately scheduled free agent visits with Ryan Fitzpatrick, Geoff Hangartner and Laveranues Coles. Fitzpatrick was signed on the opening day of free agency, and Hangartner put his John Hancock on the dotted line a day later. When Coles left Buffalo to sign with Cincinnati, the team turned its sights to the one and only Terrell Owens.
The team also plugged holes. When Jabari Greer let a deadline pass on a contract offer from the Bills, the team turned its sights to Drayton Florence and signed him to a two-year deal. The next day, Greer signed with New Orleans. The team also signed low-tier depth players such as linebacker Pat Thomas and guard/center Seth McKinney.
In short, the team identified a handful of need positions and got guys they wanted at those positions. They remained flexible with their own players and their situations, and they made some depth signings as well. There's no reason to not expect a similar tactic this season, even with Nix running the show.
A possible 2010 tactic
Buffalo has a myriad of different needs this off-season - just about every position on a football field is included on that list - but based on the talent available in free agency, only a few positions are worth addressing via the free agent pool. We've got four such positions for you.
Offensive Tackle - There isn't much top-end talent available here, as you might expect, but there are players capable of starting at either tackle spot or swinging inside if need be. Versatility will likely be a key asset here. Buffalo is, as you're well aware, hurting badly at tackle, so the Bills could add one or even two veterans to the roster.
Defensive Line - You won't find any wide-bodied nose tackles out there, but there are some quality 3-4 defensive linemen that would fit in well with the personnel the Bills currently have (which, unfortunately, includes virtually nothing in the way of depth). There are a lot of players worth discussing here, and adding even one 3-4 end would really help Buffalo's defensive line rotation.
Inside linebacker - The starting spots appear set, but Buffalo has nothing in the way of depth. If there's any one position that will be addressed more than the rest this off-season, it's linebacker; the Bills need as much depth as they can get. Big, physical, downhill players are the name of the game here. I wouldn't be surprised to see anywhere between one and three players signed at this position.
Wide receiver - With Owens on his way out of town alongside Josh Reed, Buffalo is suddenly very young at this position. James Hardy and Steve Johnson are young guys worth working with, to be sure, but a little veteran competition would go a long way toward keeping coverage away from Lee Evans. (So would help from the tight end position, Shawn Nelson.)
There are five players that, were I Buddy Nix, would target at 12:01 AM Friday morning: Vikings tackle Artis Hicks, Steelers end Nick Eason, Jets linebacker Ryan Fowler, 49ers linebacker Matt Wilhelm and Chiefs receiver Bobby Wade. Hicks is capable of playing guard, but I'd look at him as a potential starting (short-term) tackle on either side. Eason could start at end to platoon with Kyle Williams, Spencer Johnson and sure-fire starter Marcus Stroud. Fowler and Wilhelm are bruisers that would really help the team's ILB depth, as well as Bruce DeHaven's special teams units. Wade is a savvy veteran that could push Hardy and Johnson and be a really nice slot option in multi-WR sets.
There are backup plans that the team could pursue at all of those positions. That's why those positions make the list - they're deep enough where the Bills can afford to be aggressive; if they strike out, they can move on to a Plan B quickly.
Should the Bills address those four positions, they'd cut their critical needs list down significantly. Yes, they'd still need line help on both sides of the ball; nose tackle is still an issue, as is offensive tackle. They'd need a quarterback. But their depth would be significantly improved in other areas, and those signings would allow the team to focus on their most critical needs via the draft.
A wild card
I don't anticipate any of Buffalo's departing unrestricted free agents affecting the team's acquisition strategy, but there is one position that will be on the back of Nix's mind - and that position is, of course, quarterback. There's only one veteran option worth pursuing to my mind, and that's Chad Pennington.
Right now, Pennington's something of an enigma. Not on the field - he's a proven commodity there, and what he's accomplished on the field is what makes him worth discussing in the first place - but rather in his future prospects. Reports have circled that Pennington would like to continue playing, but isn't sure whether he wants to pursue a starting opportunity or work as a backup. If I know Pennington, his competitive nature will get the best of him and he'll listen to starting offers, but it's not a given.
So yes. I'd set up free agent visits with the five names I mentioned above as soon as the signing period started. I'd also get on the horn with Pennington's representatives as quickly as I possibly could. There is no more critical need in Buffalo than the quarterback position, and Pennington would buy the team some time to find "the future" at that position, while giving the team a chance to install a system and, heck, maybe win a game or two. If Pennington isn't interested, then he isn't interested, and we go look for our young quarterback anyway. If he is, see if you can't get him to sign a one or two-year deal so you can breathe a little easier at the NFL's most important position.
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other names i'd consider
Larry foote ilb, dwan edwards de, kevin walter wr
Both de and ilb are very thin. These guys can come in and compete if not start and would be the only players on our d with prior 3-4 experience.
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You went and named three guys that could get some of the most lucrative deals in unrestricted free agency this year. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 3, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
We have many holes and we can fill a few with fringe players but we could earmark one of those guys I listed and really go after him. Our defense could really use a leader with prior 3-4 exp and plus I don’t see larry foote getting that lucrative of a contract. He was an fa last year and no one broke the bank on him.
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by evdawg419 on Mar 3, 2010 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So? If Ralph doesn’t cheap it up, it shouldn’t limit us. Kevin Walter is a great 2. WR, who’s capable of doing a lot of the little things right, and he’s very tough and physical, too. Dwan Edwards would be a great fit in our 3-4 scheme as DE and though it’ll cost more than it usually would, that’s just the way it is. If we can acquire a starting RT, ILB-depth and a 2. WR, we’ll have accomplished a lot in this free agency period and we’ll enable us to focus on QB, LT and NT in the draft.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 3, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Hey Denmark....
I need a favor. It is getting a bit old for you to be continuing to say, in EVERY post you reply to, that Ralph is cheap. Can you lay off of it please? You have nothing to back it up with to be honest and aside from that, using it in every reply just doesnt make sense. Lets move forward with how the front office is going to revitalize the team and not bash Wilson.
Thank you!!!!
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Sorry man, but I’m just frustrated as heck by the decisions Ralph makes and the fact that he – at least before this year’s coaching search – de facto wasn’t willing to spend a lot of money on acquiring a quality coach. I love the Bills, but I hate the fact that he’s our owner, because I personally believe he isn’t fully committed to being successful, i.e. not meddling with personnal decisions etc. I hope and pray this time will be different but I’ll remain skeptical..
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 3, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ralph
Try to consider it’s a two way street, prospective new hires have to want to work for the Bill’s. Sometimes its not all about the $$$$.
by buffalobacker on Mar 3, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
The Bills may go hard after one big name player...
… and they will have to overpay. I like Foote a lot, but I’m not sure if he’s worth overpaying for.
I reallty like Foote too, but if we have to overpay for anyone, lets make it Edwards. The guy is a rock at DE and could help anchor our line for a long time.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah he is.
Very explosive and strong. The play I keep remembering was in the playoffs this year I believe, and he blew by the RT and hurdled the RB to sack the QB. They called a BS roughing the passer call on it, but an awesome play.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Where is the Draino?
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
As much as I love Kevin Walter and value the talents of Foote and Edwards, they are players that are better fits for a playoff ready team. It’s hard to believe players from Houston (who’s on the rise), Pittsburgh, and Baltimore (perennial contenders) would submit themselves to a team that is a good two years of rebuilding away from the playoffs (being generous). These guys can command lucrative contracts from playoff teams if they so choose. I dont see any amount of money enticing any of them to come to Buffalo.
But remember that the top 8 teams that made the playoffs last year are limited in their signing of FA’s this year. It’s a strange rule associated with the uncapped year that could benefit the Bills in this kind of situation where they might be going after a player who would like to be on a playoff-level team.
Spending?
Does anyone think we will be big spenders friday? I think we will be. I think Ralph realizes the team needs whatever help it can get, and the only way to do that now is to spend spend spend.
I hope we get one impact starter at least
Ahhh
I was under the impression Bill’s FO stated they weren’t gonna be very active in FA.
by buffalobacker on Mar 3, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
There aren't many impact starters out there
So I wouldn’t expect us to find one…
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Yeah. I don’t anticipate the Bills being big spenders more from the fact that there simply aren’t a lot of guys to spend big money on.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Very very very true this year, the 6 year wait for FA is killing the market this time
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Come on, this is too easy
Bills need to be hole-pluggers starting Friday
TWSS
This team really needs to go after a veteran OT, a player along the DL, a stopgap WR and LB depth, and doing so early Friday is the best way to proactively try filling these holes. They need to get creative, but most importantly they have to be aggressive.
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I always find it interesting that in baseball you don’t get signings for weeks and months after free agency begins. In football, you get to work at 8am and there’s already been signings made, and after the first week teams are picking what’s left of the scraps.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens, but I don’t anticipate the Bills pursuing top free agents (and I don’t think that’s a ‘cheap’ strategy’).
You should see opening day of free agency for the NHL. About 50% of all signings for an offseason are done within 6 hours of the opening day of free agency (with free agency traditionally starting at noon). It’s nuts how many players are signed so quickly in the NHL.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
on a quick side note...
the Trade deadline today has been dead so far. Not many stars on the block tho…
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Everything always happens within the last 3 hours. just wait and see, once noon comes around you’ll see a lot more action.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
yeah usually they push right up to that 3pm EST deadline. And then they announce them the following hour. How about Skoula being traded twice in like 14 hours lol. Thats funny. Wonder if that counts for his career stats that he was a Leaf for 14 hours. Kind of hard to put that on the back of a hockey card haha.
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Technically it doesn’t count because he was never on their active roster. I mean in counts as part of his dealing in his career, but his stats wont reflect the 14 hours he was with them.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
haha yeah.
Just kind of crazy. But Burke knows what he wants, and goes out and does it. As much as I hate the Leafs, I like Burke. Especially for what he put on the ice in Vancouver… I was impressed. Im sure you had a much better feeling after the gold medal game tho, judging by the name lol.
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I cried tiers of joy, and thats not even a joke. Hockey is like a religion for me.
As for Burke, well I hate the Leafs but have to admit that he is really turning the Leafs around. Give them 3 years and they will be a force to reckon with.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
First congrats on Gold...
And second…
Give them 3 years and they will be a force to reckon with.
I know, and that scares me being a Sabres fan. I hate the Leafs… lol
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I’m a Habs fan, how do you think I feel?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
haha. Alright, I got it lol. till suprised they didnt trade one of their goaltenders. Are you Halak or Price guy… Personally I think Halaks got what it takes and Price just doesnt have “it.” Hes shown signs of “it” but I think Halak is much more consistant…
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- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
I`m a both guy, so I’m very happy that they didn’t trade either one. They work great as a team and thats how they should staty for now. And since both are restricted free agents, I don’t see why we needed to trade either one. Plus I think that there is a very good chance that some one signs one of the two to an RFA tender this summer, giving us at least a 1 rounder, so not trading them is also worth more to us in the long run.
As for Price, he deffinatly does have the “it” factor. I’ll compare him to Marc-Andre Fleury of the Penguins. He’s still very young and is struggling with consistency (just like Fleury did), but give him time to mature and he’ll turn into one of the league’s best, just like Fleury. Price is very much the future of the Habs at the goalie position, he’s just 2 or 3 years away from that future.
As for Halak, he is currently the most consistent goalie of the two, but unlike Price, he doesn’t have that ability to steal games for you. Halak is a lot like Chris Osgood. Put a great team in front of him and ask him not to lose games for you and you will have one of the most solid goalies in the league. He’s just not ever going to carry a team on his back.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Its called the Combine, most of the wheeling and dealing is done there
All the agents with people to move go there under the pretense of watching their incoming guys work out, but its too talk with all the GMs that are there.
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Don't we have better roots than in the past.......
With Whaley and Nix…….
Both come from playoff calibur teams. Both have their strengths as far as talent eval. With both of them working together, i am not as skeptical as I have been in the past.
Now this is all looking backwards and they were on SB contender franchises but certainly i have a little more faith in SMART signings than i have in the past.
Good article. But I think that you lissed a name or two.
Larry Foote is deffinatly a guy I’d put ahead of Wihlem and Fowler. Heck I’d even call them the backup plan to Foote.
Chad Clifton/Mark Taucsher iI think would also be good targets for the tackle positions. One of the two should hit the open market and we should deffinatly look into signing them.
As for pennington, I’d actually mark him down as top priority, try to sign him to a 2 year deal and tell him that we only ask of him to be a starter for one year and make the second year optional on his end.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions
Foote’s a starter. We don’t need a starter. We do need starters elsewhere. Save some money at LB.
Clifton is incredibly injury-prone, Tauscher is solely a right tackle, and Hicks is younger, more athletic and more versatile than both of them. Could be cheaper, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 3, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Who else would you have starting opposite Poz at ILB? Because I really don’t think that Mtchell is suited to play strong side ILB in the 3-4. So yes i do think that we need a starter.
As for Mitchell himself, I think he’ll be our Jack-Of-All-Trades at LB, but not a starter at any given position.
And I agree that Hicks would be a way better pickup than Clifton or Tauscher, but we do need backup plans. And so what if Tauscher is only a RT, we need a RT anyways. So he’d deffinatly fill a big need.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
CBF
I disagree on your Mitchell point. I firmly believe he would be a solid fit, if healthy, at a middle LB spot along side of Poz, as a starter. He could be our best LB of the bunch to be honest. Just my opinion.
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I’ll agree that he’d be a good starter at ILB, but I think a better use of him is roating him on both weak side ILB on rushing downs and strong side OLB on passing downs. I’d still leave him on the feild for about 70% of the snaps which is what he’d get starting with Poz. I just think that a guy like Larry Foote would be a lot better starting opposite Poz and have Mitchell moving around depending on the situation.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t the Will the one that makes the tackles while the Mike takes on the blockers? If I had a nickel for every tackle that Mitchell over-pursued, I’d have a tube sock full of nickels. I’m not sure why you’d want Veek as the Will under any circumstance. Maybe my understanding of the 3-4 is lacking though. I’m still trying to wrap my head around it.
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I get that, I just don`t think that he’s a 3-4 Mike either. Poz is deffinatly a Will, but I think that he’s got a shot of disapearing on running downs, much like AJ Hawk did with the Packers last year. I’d want Veek in on the WIll on obvious running plays., if for no other reason than he’s better at shedding blocks than Poz. Not much better, but better.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Would you be willing to double up with Pashos and Hicks?
That would make for a good bookend pair along with Bell as our swing man.
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I know this is exactly "hole-plugging" material lol
But has there been any mention about what Schobels doing? He said he would let them know before FA starts, right? tick, tick-tick, tick-tick…
Ifs hes out, then thats another hole to fill… So I guess it kind of is
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Porter.....
That is the answer I would like to see if we don’t have Schobel.
by MikeEverett08 on Mar 3, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
as would I my friend...
In fact… I would rather have him instead of Schobel… I just dont see him being a good OLB rusher.
"Hey ey ey ey"
Yes I agree with that too.
I just cant see Schobel out in coverage… It just doesnt make sense to me. Sure hes dropped into coverage from the DE position a few times a game. But thats different, thats a wrinkle in the scheme. If hes playing OLB he’ll be expected to cover TE’s, RB’s out of the backfield and crossing WR’s. I just dont see that happening. Im sure he’d try his butt off, but still dont see him sticking with 90% of WRs, RBs, and receiving TEs in this league.
Plus I think we can get value (3rd and 6th rounders) for him and that 3rd can be used to draft a player that CAN do those things. Plus younger, faster, stronger, more suited for a 3-4.
"Hey ey ey ey"
The only way it works......
Is if he becomes a Mike Vrabel type where they move him but only to rush primarly and drop him into coverage seldomly and only to cover an area.
I do think his IQ is high enough to cover screens well from that position but Porter is much more aggressive IMO from what we have seen.
Please lets let Porter loose on the rest of the AFC east and put him on Strouds side….
by MikeEverett08 on Mar 3, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Good article
I agree for the most part, but I rather take a chance on Trent than having Pennington come over, either way it looks very hard for us to make the playoffs so why not give Trent one last shot.
I´m also interested in making a move for Thigpen, and with the history he has with Chan I think it could work out.
You’d rather go with an injury-prone guy with little success over an injury-prone guy with success and a history of mentoring other QBs?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Quality Depth
This is what we need to accomplish with one or maybe two potential starters. Our starters last year may have not been house hold names, but then none of them really played long enough to establish themselves because of injury. Things fell apart in a hurry when we dipped into the second and third teer. That is in large part to be expected when so many injuries occuur but IMO that was too big of a drop from starter to back up. Agree totally, that linebacker was almost as glaring as Tackle regarding depth. These would be two critical areas to address in FA along with a soft mention towards TE. Overall quality depth is what I am looking for. Then prepare for the draft to bring us back to a more competitive internal point where players practice for their right to play.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
Trent
Some would say he had his shot. We know how that worked out. I too felt he deserved another chance but as was pointed out to me it was more than just the lack of blocking for him. He “lost” the team, I think it’s time to move-on.
Could not agree more
I like Pennington over anything we got.
Trent is not a good decision maker on the spot. He has too much self doubt which leads to late throws and when you only get one pass every 3 downs, that is a bad combo.
Pennington knows his strengths and weaknesses. He knows he has a weak arm and has for years but has dealt with it and compensated in other areas(accuracy, better decision making, and getting the ball out).
Our current QBs have problems and either refused to correct the areas of weakness or are unsure how to do so.
Time to move on is absolutely correct…..
by MikeEverett08 on Mar 3, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
we have Chad Pennington on the roster........
He just goes by the name Ryan Fitzpatrick………………and he (if I believe correctly) has a pretty decent hold on the team……….I think the guys responded well playing with him.
Not that he would be my choice of QB’s on the roster………but..luckily for the Bills, I dont get paid to make those choices…….
I just get to whine and complain about the choices they do make :-)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 3, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
You bring alot of that on yourself
with all the whinning and complaining. But I do agree with you that Ryan Fitzpatrick only loses his starting job if your not Buddy but Chan see’s that he is not the fit for the offense he wants to run. With all the rumblings here about Trent, Ryan isn’t going to repeat last years Training Camp. This year he is coming in as the QB of the Buffalo Bills, until Chan says otherwise.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
well I would love for a reason to not complain..............
just waiting on one……….from the last 10 years.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 3, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I can't get beyond something here at Rumblings...
and i’ll try not to bring this up again. Why are so many people in love with the idea of Chad Pennington in a Bills uniform? he’s not dependable in regards to his health, he’s not on the right side of a productive career, and he’s probably not someone who wants to come in and be a stopgap. I really hope they miss out on him.
To me, Pennington’s a bit like seeing how far you can go once your low-fuel light has come on. You know there’s not much to go on, but you’re going to see how far the risk will take you.
It may seem unreasonable to say so, but i’d rather the team roll the dice with Edwards, Fitzy, and Brohm for the 2010 season than try their hand at these "win-now stop-gap players.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
i will rec'd
because I agree.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 3, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
2nd that motion.....
Totally agree! if Chad Pennington came over he’d be killed because of the line. Fix the trenches first with depth. Too many holes and not enough depth.
not a Pennington fan at all. I dont believe he would be of any value here. Whats the point of bringing him in? Hes not here for the future, he certainly isnt Peyton Manningesque… in the sense that he would bring 2-3 more wins a year with him.
I would honestly rather have Marc Bulger (minus contract) over Chad Pennington.
"Hey ey ey ey"
I don’t dislike Pennington. I dislike him as an option to the current team. I don’t look at Chad Henne and think, “boy that Chad Pennington really helped him become an NFL QB.” I see a guy who still struggles with most reads in the NFL and who is playing because the guy who was supposed to mentor him got injured yet again.
A fear for Pennington fans should be: what happens WHEN he gets injured? What happens when the other 2 incumbent players haven’t been given the attention from these new coaches and a possible rookie is suddenly seen as the best option?
Edwards and Fitz have a good number of starts behind them and I don’t think either are void of learning valuable things from a new set of coaches. Brohm is pretty much a rookie.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I should have been a little more clear...
I don’t dislike Pennington. I dislike him as an option to the current team.
Thats what I meant. Not a fan of him in Buffalo. It just doesnt fit… But yes I agree.
"Hey ey ey ey"
Same here
Not hatin on the guy. It’s just his ship has sailed some time ago and would not be a step toward progress if the Bills signed him.
Yeah a few years ago
Or even when he first left NYJ that might have been a good idea… maybe… but not now.
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rec'd thank you
I have vowed not to mention the “P-word” so I thank you for doing so. If a nail has a head, you hit it!
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3rd or 4th that notion
Boo to Pennington. Washed up. Noodle arm. IR spot already has his name on it. Sorry but about 6 years too late to get on that train.
he’s probably not someone who wants to come in and be a stopgap
He’s smart enough to realize that’s all he’s gonna be just like he was in Miami.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's the reason I'd take Him for..
To me, Pennington’s a bit like seeing how far you can go once your low-fuel light has come on. You know there’s not much to go on, but you’re going to see how far the risk will take you.
CP’s biggest asset is what He knows..Sure we’re running on empty here now,but with the kind of influence a guy like that brings,as well as buying us time with his arm we can let another QB season and possibly be ready to take over in a short time..His leadership is something that we don’t have now,and really need bad from our QB,just my opinion of course..
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i completely agree
I just dont get all the people out there hatin on Pennington. Particularly if your a fan of drafting a QB this year, I dont consider Fitz or Trent capable of effectively mentoring the new guy. Neither have enough experience in the league IMO, Trent is afraid of deep-reads and Fitz is just too average a player.
Pennington is one of the most intelligent QB’s in the league and is on the short list of QB’s that would be considered the best options to teach young guys how to be an NFL QB. His drawbacks are all physical, weak arm & injury issues, and have existed for most of his career, yet hes been pretty successful almost completely due to his mastery of the position. Plus he still can play, as long as hes not injured, and we’ll have edwards to whine about and pennington can continue teaching the rook when he does get injured.
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 3, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno but maybe I'm confused.....(or stupid)
What is the purpose of the QB coach? I keep hearing about vet QB’s mentoring young QB’s, what is the Qb coach suppose to be doing? I can understand some aspect of onfield exp. to the yungin’ but come on…what do teams pay QB coachs to do? or for that matter OC’s? Aren’t they the ones who supposed to prepare the QB not only with the offensive game plan but what defenses to look out for? I dunno maybe its me….
I don’t think it’s you, but I think people will say you can’t get the same level of teaching from someone who’s not currently in the position, on the field.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
I got on rick P yesterday but I’m coming around.. I didn’t realize how little is available at OL in free agency. Looks like this draft is going to be all about the lines and LB… I hope.
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I just read this:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/11000/afc-east-almost-loaded-at-left-tackle
and became even more disenchanted with the thought of Bell at LT.
Bills left tackle Demetrius Bell was dead last in PBP rating (per ProFootballFocus.com). In eight games, ProFootballFocus.com charged Bell with five sacks, seven QB hits and 18 pressures. Bell also was one of the most penalized players in the NFL before an injury ended his season at Week 13.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah thats not a very inspiring piece… How was he supposed to step in and be an LT from day 1 again? lol
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Someone should have told Jauron this. I tried defending the man on many an occasion, but that was a MAJOR faux pas, throwing a guy not quite ready for the NFL into such an important role.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
or Jauron would have replyed with...
“Well we’ll have to look at the tape”
haha sorry I had to.
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What would you think of bringing Vick to Buffalo?
Or maybe draft a QB second round. There will be a good handful around, most likely. Pike, McCoy, Tebow, Snead.
Then draft okung, buluga or williams or davis with the no. 9 pick. I feel like one of them will be around at 9, and none would be reaches.
Then if possible, what about terrance cody in the second round?
Sign recently released orlando pace for depth at tackle.
Sign recently released orlando pace for depth at tackle.
That guy’s done.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I would make two lists for FA
Stretch Signings- (Guys I would do if the money is right and the years right as in 2 years or less)
Chad Pennington- QB
Larry Foote- ILB
Kevin Mawae- C (Gives us the option of moving Hangman out to G until Wood gets back and allows us to make a decision on where he should play, I think Wood goes in as backup to Mawae)
Tony Pashos- OT (He would be a depth signing too work alongside Bell since I anticipate we go LT in the draft.)
Derrick Burgess- OLB
Needed Signings- (Brian’s five all make it here since they are all solid depth people, and possible stop gaps)
Artis HIcks- OT
Nick Eason- DE
Ryan Fowler- LB
Bobby Wade or Domenik Hixon (fast fast fast)- WR
Matt Wilhelm- OLB
If I was Nix, I would make hard goes at Burgess, Mawae and Pannington out of my stretch group and would do everything to sign the guys in my depth area, all of whom we should be able to get. I am a sucker for speed at WR so thats why I like Hixon, he also has ST usability.
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Yeah, kid has some wheels
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Good Article!
I agree with your statements and points; Bills have a lot of holes to fill…..I like the 4 names you mentioned, but not sure about Bobby Wade. Although, he was very highly rated coming out of college. While he was with the Vikings, didn’t do too much, but didn’t have a QB – Look how Sidney Rice’s stock rose with Favre at QB.

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