Trade possibilities to be found in Buffalo
With the beginning of the new league year on Friday at 12:01AM, the NFL's moratorium on trades is also lifted. Especially with new rules restricting movements of players with less than six accrued NFL seasons, trades may take on an increased role in this NFL off-season - and Buffalo has pieces they may move.
The new regime in Buffalo may be looking to add draft picks while ridding themselves of some overpriced or ill-equipped veteran talent. The switch to the 3-4 defense has turned some solid Tampa 2 defenders into potential 3-4 liabilities.
After the jump, you'll find a list of Buffalo Bills players that could eventually be traded this off-season. You can also speculate in the comments on who you'd like to see leave or arrive via trade, as well as the cost you'd be willing to accept in order to make the trade.
Current Bills
Marshawn Lynch - A hot name in trade talk this off-season, Lynch may be moved for his history of questionable decisions off the field more than his lackluster 2009 campaign. His 2008 Pro Bowl appearance may bolster his trade value, and Fred Jackson seems capable of handling a full-time rushing load.
Aaron Schobel - The second-leading sack artist in team history may be on his way out of town, if only to be closer to his family. Schobel has said his wife and kids will remain in Texas during the 2010 season and beyond, a departure from seasons past. In an effort to be closer to his home and family, Schobel may ask to be traded or simply retire altogether.
Donte Whitner - Whitner's name has surfaced in a rumored trade to the Redskins involving QB Jason Campbell (more on that in a second). Whitner's disappointing play since being drafted eighth overall in 2006 has made him a favorite whipping boy among Bills fans, but it's not fans he should be worried about. Whitner was supplanted at FS last year by rookie Jairus Byrd, and RFA George Wilson had a tremendous year at safety as well. UFA Bryan Scott has started for the Bills at SS, too, making Whitner expendable for the right offer.
Kyle Williams - Williams was a solid piece on the interior of Buffalo's defensive line in 2009, and Buddy Nix has stated the team plans to use him as a NT in some capacity in 2010. Williams is only scheduled to make $1.75M in each of the next two seasons and $1.8M in 2012. Trading a cheap 26-year-old DT coming into his prime seems like a crazy move, but if Williams looks like a fish out of water in the Bills' new 3-4 defense, he might get moved at some point before the season starts.
Lee Evans - Evans is probably the Bill with the most value on the trade market. He's not old (29 on March 11th), has talent, and would bring back a solid pick or picks in return. Will Evans really be young enough to contribute on the next Bills sustained playoff run?
Trent Edwards and Roscoe Parrish - If the Bills are serious about turning the page on offense, they may want to look at getting whatever value they can for these two disappointing Bills. Both have seen their value drop significantly after being benched during the 2009 season. Both players probably won't be dealt on their own, but certainly could be involved in trades during the NFL Draft.
Potential Bills
Michael Vick - The Eagles quarterback is due a $1.5M signing bonus Friday. If the Eagles hold on to Vick until then, they will certainly want to trade the troubled signal caller to regain some of their investment. Vick may hold more esteem with the Bills following the NFL Draft in April if they can't get their hands on a QB prospect of their own.
Charlie Whitehurst - The Chargers' third-stringer has been a rumored target of the Bills since Brian Galliford of Buffalo Rumblings tweeted about it in January. His hunch was corroborated, as much as hunches can be, this week when USA Today mentioned the Bills were "believed to be researching" the QB. Whitehurst is a restricted free agent, and could be signed by anyone for a likely third-round pick or less beginning Friday.
Jason Campbell - Campbell is also a restricted free agent, and is potentially on the outs in Washington, where they also have a new coach in the form of Mike Shanahan. If Shanahan is convinced he wants to bring in new blood at the position, Campbell represents a valuable trading chip coming off his best season as a pro in 2009. Campbell was tendered at the first round level yesterday, but with the addition of Whitner in a potential trade, Campbell may be had for less, especially if Washington selects a quarterback at the top of the draft.
Marc Bulger - The National Football Post's Matt Bowen suggested earlier this week that the Bills could be interested in the maligned Rams QB. Bulger's $8.5M price tag in 2010 certainly wouldn't entice the rebuilding Bills, but the 32-year-old may have something left in the tank in the way of a stop-gap. He's easily my least favorite possibility on the list, but is included thanks to Bowen's report this week.
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Evans and Williams are the only players on that list that have value. The caveat is Lynch (annual off-the-field issues) and Schoebel (pending retirement) hold little value because of their respective situations. I also would much rather Lynch and Schoeble be on our team this year than traded for mediocre draft picks.
Furthermore Evans and Williams both hold (or in Williams case held) more value to the Bills than any other team, so receive compensation comparable to their value on the team would be difficult. I also do not understand why we would trade Evans, we would not be able to easily replace his talent at WR, and he has a reasonable contract. I also dont’ like the idea of trading Williams until we have filled out our roster with 3-4 guys to fit the new system.
As for Whitner, he is a first round bust, we place value on him primarily because of his draft position. He isn’t worth his contract and isn’t going to return us sigificantly value.
Edwards, Parrish, Kelsay (why didn’t he make the list), are marginal players, more likely to be cut than traded.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Mar 4, 2010 8:43 AM EST reply actions
Kelsay didn’t make the list because I think he’ll be cut whereas Parrish and Edwards especially hold some marginal value.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going to say this and put it out on the interwebs
I think Kelsay holds some marginal value…especially in comparison to Parrish and Edwards.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Key words marginal, Roscoe and Trent
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I disagree that Evans isn’t replaceable talent. While not “easy” in most regards, I think he’s been an extremely underwhelming player for this team. People will say that he’d be so much better with another wideout and better QB-play. “Who wouldn’t” is my counter. I think Evans needs to be the type of player who excells DESPITE his surroundings. A little more Dwayne Bowe in his game would go a long way in helping this team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wideout and better QB-play. "Who wouldn’t" is my counter
lots and lots and lots of players that are currently not in the NFL.
Evans is a talent that is being wasted because of QB play, lack of offensive proficiency and lack of other weapons around him.
We got the tools, we got the talent
by J2 on Mar 4, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
As a Bills fan, I agree with this line of thinking and think we need to keep him. As a fantasy keeper league team owner with Evans on the roster, I want AfghanTwilights thinking to prevail and trade Evans, to a team with an aerial attack. 1400 yards and 10 tds! HELLO! Unfortunately, given the reality of his talent and contract, when Lee retires, he will probably never know how good he could have been.
If Terrell Owens and Fred Jackson arent enough talent to surround Evans with, then he is not this irreplaceable talent you guys think he is. Good players make plays happen. Evans does not. Like AfghanTwilight said, Look at guys like Bowe, Megatron, Andre Johnson, Braylon Edwards circa 2008, Antonio Bryant 2009 and etc. For every player that fails because he is not surrounded by talent, there are players that excel for the exact same reason.
I'll answer your question with another...
How did Dockery and Walker have such humongous price tags?
Front office stupidity.
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Because contracts are mostly backloaded?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
For some other teams anyway....
cash to cap, while bashed a lot, front loads a contract, so in that, most of our players under contract would be a “cheap” buy for any trading partner, like the Rams, who still use the older backload models….
Alright heres my take on current Bills that could be traded...
Lynch – Not worth it. Hes more valuable to us than a 2nd round pick, and theres no way hes going to get a 1st in return. He is still very young, and sometime immature… but if chix can get in his head and turn him around, I see a very very nice rebound year for him.
Schobel – Yes. Yes. Yes. Trade him. I think his value is somewhere around 3rd and 5th/6th, and I would take that in a second. We need draft picks to rebuild and he does not fit a 3-4 no matter if he says he thinks he does. I can not see him out in coverage at all, and would be better off (for us) as traded away for those picks
Whitner – Is worth hanging on to I think. I would rather have a Byrd – Wilson backfield, but players will get injured and Whitner is still going to be able to make some plays…
Williams – If we could get a 4th for him, send him out. If not then lets ssee what he can do in a 3-4. Im sure they’ll put him at both DE and NT.
Evans – Thats an interesting one… I’ve heard his name brought up but never gave it thought til now… but still would rather have him. Unless somehow we did a sign and trade with AZ for Boldin… Then Im down.
Edwards – Depends on if we draft or get a FA QB. If not then he sticks.
Parrish – Im willing to give him one… more… year… Lets see if he FINALLY gets it in this new O.
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- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
I pretty much agree with this 100%
I don’t think we have much worth trading, other than the ones that are better off staying or cannot get good value in return. Schobel is probably the exception, as much as I like him.
Also, nobody on that list of QB’s excites me in the least or looks like an upgrade to me.
Agree on the QB's
If we bring in Campbell, Pennington or Bulger i would be very disappointed.
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- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
by bflo on Mar 4, 2010 4:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Williams would bring better than a fourth, unless another player is supplementing the trade. Pro football Focus has him ranked for ’09 as the leagues 13th best out of 87 interior linemen league-wide. Ahead of names like Ngata, Jenkins, Ratliff, Ferguson and Pickett.
most of my posts get deleted :(
I know hes worth more than a 4th, probably a 3rd… But teams know we are switching to a 3-4 so they know we’ll want to dump him for a pick. I would ask for a 3rd but would take a 4th, if that makes sense lol.
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by bflo on Mar 4, 2010 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good list..
Bulgar is my least favorite questionable pick-up—-the guy gets injured tying his shoes…
The only reason I wouldn’t mind seeing Schobel traded is I would like to see him play for a playoff team before he retires.
Whitner will never live down that he was picked before Ngata or even Bunkley for that matter. Plus, he is average at best and struggles in pass coverage!
Evans is another player that has talent but playing in Buffalo has been a detriment to his stats and career. He reminds me of what Moulds went thru with the QB carousel.
Williams is too good a player to trade for an unproven draft pick. It will be up to the coaches to find ways to utilize his strengths whether the principle defense is the 3-4 or the 4-3.
Roscoe played possum last year hoping to force a trade or to get cut out right. I shake my head when realizing he went form one of the top return threats in the NFL to being benched. It looked like he talked to McGahee on how to get out of Buffalo…
"Whether or not you write well, write bravely"
This is Deepest Draft since 1983
- So, since this draft will be loaded with talent, I don’t have a problem unloading Lynch, who is one strike away from suspension – There are a lot of great Running Backs that you can draft in the 3-5th rounds – Ray Rice anyone?
- Schoebel wants to play in Texas, better to get something in return for him rather than have him retire.
- The Pats are notorious for trading big name players when they get older and are no longer in their prime – For DRAFT CHOICES!!!!!!!!!!!
- The Pats are notorious for trading big name players when they get older and are no longer in their prime – For DRAFT CHOICES!!!!!!!!!!!
hmm… maybe they got something going on there :-p
haha completely agree!
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- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
They need youth to keep the average age down on the team.....
For when they Sign Senior Seau for 6 games a year…..
by MikeEverett08 on Mar 4, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Haha good point. He makes that avg age skyrocket.
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- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
yeah I saw that… Thats crazy. I sent that link to my dad and told him… See you still got a shot!! lol
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Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
Rumor
Sabres are about to sign Gordie Howe—-they figure teamed with Vanik it will open up the scoring. They are also trying to get a hold of Bobby Hull to play the point on power plays!!
"Whether or not you write well, write bravely"
haha the sad thing is… Bobby Hull would improve the PP, and Howe would probably end up knocking out Vanek if he knew he made 7mil a year for 18 goals at this point… Ugh… Buffalo sports!!!
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- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
Anyone else hear that...
Jim Kelly has been working out??? Heck, Bruce Smith and Andre Reed still look in darn good shape too!!!
They'll comeback if..
The Bills promise to get rid of the jinxed ugly uniforms that they are currently wearing and go back to either the Super Bowl teams or the retro’s—- or else they will stay retired!!!
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This just in....
All 3 are demanding a trade, or a return of House, and Hull to the starting lineup…
Haha nice.
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by bflo on Mar 4, 2010 4:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ray Rice was a 2nd round pick
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and fantasy stud
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Mar 4, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Completely
With bigger things in store for this year….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
And he crushed the Pats playoff hopes in about 10 seconds lol. Gotta love him for that as well.
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by bflo on Mar 4, 2010 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We were 6-10
Who cares if we lose any of the so-called talent, which Bills fans tend to believe that they have on this team – Have not made the playoffs in ten years – Time to get as many draft choices as we can for those who are getting paid more than they deserve, and build through the draft – This time, the correct way.
No doubt
If any of these guys are dealt, that’s fine. This team needs to REBUILD completely and correctly. Hanging on to some of these guys simply because we drafted them and their so-called value is slightly higher here doesn’t make a ton of sense. Nix needs to do what is necessary to turn this franchise around and getting rid of some of these guys, even if it might be difficult, is something that definitely needs to be considered.
Nobody is saying give these players away, and I think that’s where people are overreacting at the thought of trading them….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody is saying give these players away, and I think that’s where people are overreacting at the thought of trading them….
that’s a big 10-4. rec’d
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Mar 4, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I purposefully left “what I’d take to trade them” off the table. Didn’t want to get into a pissing match.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
I can’t beleive I am the only one to disagree here…
You HAVE TO keep your young quality talent. Every draft pick is a gamble. Keep the quality young talent like Brian put together on a previous e-mail… Purge all of the useless parts and try to rebuild. Ultimately we are going to be a marginal team until we fill the QB spot, but you can’t win on a QB alone.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Mar 4, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
"Useless parts"
Interesting statement… Since Lynch is no longer a starter and since Williams doesn’t fit well in a 3-4 are they now considered useless? As much as Nix says otherwise for Williams, I think so.
The problem as I see it is we have good players, but no superstars. I’d be much more interested if we can as many 3rd and 4th round picks (and in the case of Evans maybe a 2nd) as we can to speed up the rebuilding process, rather than getting some other teams 2nd or 3rd stringer.
Curious...
if the Bills and Chargers would discuss a straight-up trade of Lynch for Whitehurst? I can’t wrap my mind around the Redskins being “that” ready to move on without Campbell when they’ve placed a 1st-round tender on him.
It’s too bad about Bulger. 32 is a good age in terms of experience and development. He just seems like a 38-year old QB these days.
Would anyone in their right mind trade for Lee Evans? His contract is bonkers given his production.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions
No matter what the Redskins put on him it would have had to be 10% more than his salary last year so why not put a first-round tender on him? It’s essentially the only tender they could have given him so I don’t think it says anything other than “he has value”.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Actually
Evans deal is quite appealing to teams looking to pickup a good WR. He will make $5.4M in 2010, which is a lot, but not prohibitive for a trade. There is a $3M roster bonus, though, but I don’t know how that figures in and who would pay it in a trade. He makes just $3.025M per season for 2011 and 2012, with a $1M roster bonus in each. That’s a pretty good deal for any team that thinks Evans is a missing piece.
Don’t forget, if somebody wants to trade for Evans, they could always rip up his old deal and give him a new one….
As for Lynch for Whitehurst….I wouldn’t do that. Lynch does have value and trading him for a 28 year old QB who’s never thrown an NFL pass, to me, is just giving him away. If the Bills trade for Whitehurst, I’m not giving SD anything more than a 6th or 7th, or future conditional pick that can increase based on performance.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Completely agree on the Lynch – Whitehurst comment.
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- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST
by bflo on Mar 4, 2010 4:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That’s a pretty good deal for any team that thinks Evans is a missing piece.
cough Baltimore cough
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Yes...pretty much
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Any chance.....
If we do trade Lynch…..which I am opposed to……that a deal is done with San Diego or Philly as they seem to be the most in need at running back?
One would assume the trading team has a running back need.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Captain Obvious reporting.
One would assume the trading team has a running back need.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Philly needs a RB
They might need depth, but their current RB is better than Lynch, IMO.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Agree. I would take McCoy over Lynch even if Lynch didn’t have the off field issues.
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As would I. Shadys going to be a good back in this league. I love the way he plays.
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by bflo on Mar 4, 2010 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have fun with your Lynch discussion...
I find it funny ridiculous dissapointing that he is mentioned first,
andhe is in the picture!
There’s some SERIOUS denial up in these parts. ML is going to be moved because of his off-field concerns? Well, thank god no other front office but the Bills’ knows or cares about that, because Buffalo can fleece somebody as long as no one finds out! I hope no one finds out, because if they do, POOF, there goes any chance of a 3rd round pick (or a player of that value. (ML will not bring a 2nd. Period. Smell the Folgers in your cup.)
Chan Gailey has spoken in favor of Marshawn, and even if it is to demonstrate he has value on the team (to let other teams know he won’t be cut, or be had on the cheap,) that should let you know Gailey is open to keeping him around. He also complimented his play.
The one argument that might be somewhat relevant for trading ML is that RB’s are so hard to find. Oh…wait…Brian Westbrook, LT, and Thomas Jones are all looking. Oh..wait.. a good RB can be found in the middle rounds, sure thing! Oh…crap…
Bottom line: Marshawn Lynch is more valuable to the Bills, including risk factor, than to any other team.
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by Undee on Mar 4, 2010 10:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Comparing the aging games of Tomas Jones, Brian Westbrook, and Tomlinson to Marshawn Lynch don’t add up. Lynch is young, talented, AND proven. Those players were outright released because their days in the sun are numbered.
To me, Marshawn Lynch should be traded IF the trade allows the team to get better on either of their lines or at the QB position. He’d be traded because he’s valuable, not because he’s a detriment to the Bills’ success in 2010 and beyond.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
totally agree
"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
Agreed....
Buyt I think it applies to all our players… Trade only with the intent of improving the team…
Oh, for sure.
I think many people DO think that teams trade a guy out of negative fears, but i’d bet all the money I don’t have in the world that no other NFL team would take a guy who’s outwardly a poor decision for their club.
With Lynch, he’s a proven player, so I think he would bring a good return IN TRADE. In draft picks – it’s doubtful. So yeah, if Lynch goes, i’d bet it’s because he’s someone a club thinks will take their running game to the next level.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
So yeah, if Lynch goes, i’d bet it’s because he’s someone a club thinks will take their running game to the next level
And the Bills, in return, receive compensation that will help us get to the next level (or some kind of level other than the bargain basement).
"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
LOL. So because you like him there’s no way hecould be traded? I never said any of these were likely. Just the most likely. That’s like calling someone the tallest midget.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
*little person, Matt. =)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Just quoting Family Guy.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
as a former midget i take offense (i got robot legs – it was a risky operations – but it was worth it)
We got the tools, we got the talent
by J2 on Mar 4, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha i started reading and all i got thru was “as a former midget”.
Hahaha that was good, i like that one
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by bflo on Mar 4, 2010 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow. You so missed my points. Where did I say I like him?? Nice MWR, nice. I could have easily said you put him first b/c it looks like you don’t like him. Lol right back at ya.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
That is, indeed, why I said “undies in a bunch.” Was leaning toward “knickers in a twist.” :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
San Diego and Lynch
Why would San Diego give up anything for Lynch, when they can sign Thomas Jones tomorrow without giving up anything?
Come on people… with each passing day Lynch’s value erodes a little bit more. I was a fan for trading him too, but at this point we will not get fair value for him. We are better off keeping him than we are replacing him.
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They wouldn’t have let Tomlinson goes if Thomas Jones becomes a priority. That guy really fizzled out late in the year. He had 317 yards or so on the season AGAINST the Bills. Take those numbers away and he looks tired.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I think you’re half right. Take out the Bills stats and yes, he only averaged 3.8 yards per carry last year. But you’re still talking about an 1100-yard, 13-TD back. And while he had bad numbers in the playoffs, he also didn’t get his usual rushing load. To close the regular season, he ran for 75+ yards in 10 of the Jets’ last 11 games. That’s not “fizzling,” sir.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
In fact
It was his best season in terms of rushing yards and touchdowns.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I guess the Jets are counting on Leon Washington coming back with a vengance. You have to wonder where Jones will land. I could totally see New England pouncing on him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Shonn Greene is going to be an excellent starter for them
That’s what they’d be counting on, not so much Washington coming back with a vengeance.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I guess you’re right, Brian. I do think he’s been used too much and I bet the Jets saw it. I’m actually surprised they just cut him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I'm more surprised they're letting Sproles walk for nothing
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I think Sproles isn’t someone you can count on being a full-time, feature back. He’s like a RB version of Roscoe Parrish.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Why would they count on that?
Letting him completely walk away, with no RFA tender is the puzzling part. Just like any team making him the feature RB would be puzzling. Sproles has been a great change of pace and return guy for them, and they had a chance to keep him for at least another year, and decided not to. I guess the fact that he was franchised last year is why he wasn’t retained. I believe they would have had to pay him a one year salary greater than last year’s franchise amount…..
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Oh yes, I agree. Letting him walk without getting anything in return is VERY puzzling.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I believe they would have had to pay him a one year salary greater than last year’s franchise amount…..
It’s a minimum 10% increase over last year’s salary.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
As was I
After they let LT walk, I was shocked they were not bringing back Sproles. Heck, they could have let Sproles go a year ago and saved millions.
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To keep Sproles they would have needed to pay him 110% of his 2009 salary, 6.6M. I wouldn’t pay 7.2M dollars for him either.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently
The Jets also want to bring Jones back after cutting him to avoid his bonus….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
That’s bad business and I hope Jones burns them.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
to clarify:
sound business tactics, but it’s really poor to treat an employee like that.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Trades
Not gonna say much different than previous posts. We are probably keeping ML, unless he’s involved in a trade for a QB. I wouldn’t be upset if we packaged ML for Whitehurst. Please trade Parrish and Edwards!!
There's got to be something we are missing.
And I don’t mean quality players. It seemed that our weaknesses were so cut and dry until the announcement to the 3-4 was factored in. LineBacker depth and Offensive Tackle. Isn’t that what we were all thinking. Oh yea and a franchise QB and quality Depth accross the board.
Have we fallen off the deep end yet. Now we’re talking about trades for draft picks and FA for giving up draft picks. One thing we do know is that Buddy has told us it will take a couple years to get competitive again. Competitive in the sense as being considered a potential Playoff team. I believe we have been told that we will rebuild through the draft and can forget about big name FA signings. So maybe there is some direction here in trading some of the above mentioned names for draft picks. We have already started with bringing in Meredith and Brohm, signing Icognito. I hope that some of these guys bring us draft picks in the top half of the draft.
The only other thing that I am hanging onto for next season is that Buddy and Chan see things alot differently than I do and most of us. What could we be missing if anything.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
Bulger huh???
Hadn’t really given him much thought before, but would be an interesting, and MUCH better option than Papa Pennington ever would…. Could the Rams be screwing up for the second time in a row, by letting go a quality QB too early in their career (remember a guy named Warner)??? Of course!!!! They’re the Rams…
The difference between Bulger and Warner is that Warner won the Super Bowl and played in another with the Rams, and Bulger has won, wait, let me think… oh yeah, precisely nothing.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Trading Lynch
I think trading Lynch would be a signifier of just how bad the front office is and would sum up the entire last decade of decisions. The idea is to buy low and sell high, and trading Lynch would be the complete opposite. Taking a first round pick and trading him after his worst season and when he’s one bad decision away from a long suspension would create a buyer’s market for him. There’s also a plethora of free agent talent at that position right now, especially high-character guys, like LT and Westbrook. Nobody would want Lynch for more than a late third-rounder, considering how much of a risk he is.
Also, it’s not like we’re laden with RB talent. Of course we have Freddie, who has maybe 3 years (if he’s lucky) left before he hits the RB wall that most seem to hit at that age, but after that, who else. It’s pretty important to have at least two capable running backs on your roster. So, if we traded Lynch, it would create one more hole on a team that has far too many already. We would end up needing to use whatever pick we get for him to fill the hole that trading him left. It’s much smarter to allow the player with pro-bowl ability to redeem himself, and to see if he’s capable of regaining his form with an O-line that isn’t different every week, a qb who’s not afraid to toss the ball downfield, and with a coach who is recognized as being a top mind is producing an effective running game.
The idea during rebuilding (I don’t know why I don’t see that word more often) is to make the most of the talent you have. Lynch is young enough and talented enough to be around when the rebuild is complete. The only good reason I see to trade Lynch would be if Chuddy decides that he can’t play for their team and he would be cut otherwise. We simply wouldn’t be getting enough for him to make it worthwhile in any other case.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions
its amazing how some people think that people we deem as tradeable because for whatever reason.........
is something another team is automatically gonna wanna.
If we dont want them, why would someone else?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 4, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions
So here's my idea and I've seen it proposed elsewhere
What about giving a 5th rounder to Minnesota for T-Jack?
I don’t think anybody trades a starting QB for a fifth. Favre isn’t guaranteed to come back yet.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine that if Favre doesn't come back
And they can’t get McNabb, that the Rosencopter get’s the edge in the competition for starting QB.
Yeah, I can imagine that. They’re still not trading Jackson for a fifth.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
And why not
They’ve already indicated that Jackson isn’t in there long term plans. And he was originally drafted in what the 4th round? Theres noreason they wouldn’t do it,unless they get a better offer.
Yeah, and they would. There are very few teams that wouldn’t give up at least a 4th for a young backup qb, who has taken his team to the playoffs.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Put it this way, if the Bills end up with Jackson for a 5th rounder, I’ll buy you season tickets.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I live in NC sooooo.......
I’m saying there probably won’t be a huge market for Jackson this year. When you have guy’s like McNabb,Pennington, or Orton potentially available I wouldn’t be suprised to see T Jackback in Minny.I just don’t see who else would make a play for him.
I agree with you that Minny would listen to any offers for him and be willing to part with him for the right price. I just don’t think that a 5th round pick is possible. Heck, we might even be able to get a 5th for Trent.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Tavaris?
I’ve heard good thing’s about him. Basically a young QB who was drafted to high but improved every season in Minny.
Yeah Tavaris
Thank-you, spelled his name wrong. Weren’t the vikings struggling with Tavaris under center? How do we know what were getting in this fella?
by buffalobacker on Mar 4, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Simply don´t understand why some of you are interested in Campbell. Anyone watched the redskins last year?? I know it wasn´t all on him, but the offense was a complete joke.
I rather trade for a Skins cheerleader.
They do have some of the finest pep squad talent in the NFL.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I went to a game last year
And the cheerleaders were dancing to “I’m goin in” by lol Wayne (a song completly about sex) and the were essentially humping the ground. Needless to say I’d go back
by ballinbills1315 on Mar 4, 2010 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’d pay their ticket prices to see that?
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
They’re among the highest in the league, right?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they are. The stadium is gigantic and the tailgating is the worst I’ve ever been to.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
When ever I watched the Redskins play it was a mess all around, worse than Buffalo. Not sure why ppl are attracted to him as a QB.
by buffalobacker on Mar 4, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Why would the Giants?
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Osi’s at the top of my Bills shopping list tomorrow.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't see why NY would do that
Osi could be traded for a lot more than a DE that will be retiring in a year, I’m guessing.
And how does Osi help the Bills since he’s a 4-3 DE through and through IMO???
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2010 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Osi project's as a rush linebacker than Schoebel
And as for Schoebel retiring in a year, Coughlin may very well be coaching for his job this season.
So how does a coach trying to keep his job prevent a player from retiring?
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but Coughlin isn’t the GM. He has input, but no GM would make a bad trade just to save his coach’s job.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think people tend to get enticed by big names and forget all else. Osi would be a huge bust in Buffalo in a 3-4.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
as a DE, sure. As a Rush ’backer…I challenge thee to a duel!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
If i had to go with a DE making a switch to OLB, I’d rather stick with Maybin, who we’d have to give up nothing for.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but i’m talking about the other side. Schobel is definitely NOT staying in Buffalo for much longer. The team needs a guy and if Osi is someone that could be had, I think he’d do well in the spot.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you about Aaron, he won’t be around at the end of this rebuild so we might as well get as much as we can for him. I just think Osi would be a bad fit in a 3-4. I just think he’s a sexy name and we might be better suited getting someone who fits the scheme better. I don’t think it’s wise to have an entire defense consisting of guys playing out of position.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 4, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
It kind of makes sense.
The Bill’s get a younger player, Fewell get’s a guy he knows on defense with some gas still in the tank, and Schoebel get’s a pretty good shot at making the playoff’s.
Well all i know is ill be looking forward to the “Guys! I have a friend at Buf/Nia Airport that just saw (enter FA here) get into a limo on their way to OBD!!!!!” posts.
I love those and we’ll see a bunch this week. lol
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Brian does, but he is not telling
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
Even if he did...
he’d have to be sure to keep his nose clean, at least for a while, under new management…
A Surprise Trade?
Teams engaging in major rebuilding like the Bills often pull trades that are total surprises. If that happens, I wonder if the player involved might be McKelvin.
Think about it. It is very unlikely that McKelvin is going to be starting this year. McGee and Drayton Florence will both beat him out, relegating him to playing the nickel. The following year may be a lockout, bringing Leo to the end of his rookie contract. And the fact is that the Bills in the past have consistently let their young CB’s who were first-round picks move on rather than give them exhorbitant new contracts (see Winfield, Antoine; Clements, Nate, etc.) Rather than wait for that to happen, why not get some value from him now instead of just letting him play nickel for a year?
Also, McKelvin was drafted to play in Perry Fewell’s Cover 2 zone scheme, but it looks as if the Bills are going to be moving more toward man coverage. McKelvin is a big-time risk taker who has trouble playing man-to-man because he tends on occasion to bite on fakes and get badly beat. He can certainly play in our new defense, but it’s not his forte.
In all likelihood we could probably get a first-round pick for him from a team like Atlanta, who desperately wants a CB this year and is thinking about trading up into the Top Ten to get one. Just giving us their first-rounder would be a lot cheaper for them. Think of the player we could select with that pick (there are a lot of good possibilities). Would you rather have that guy, or Leodis? And if McGee or Florence get injured, we would still have Youboty, who is arguably the best CB on our team during the three or four games per year he manages to stay on the field.

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