Bills tender Wilson, Ellison, Schouman and Youboty
by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2010 2:39 PM EST
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PrintMark Gaughan at The Buffalo News is reporting that the Buffalo Bills have offered a restricted free agent contract to safety George Wilson at the second-round level. Should Wilson sign a deal with another team and be allowed to leave, the Bills would receive a second-round pick as compensation for the 29-year-old safety's departure. If Wilson signs his tender, he'll be paid $1.7 million in 2010. There have been reports that the team is talking about extending Wilson beyond one year.
Earlier today, WGR 550 reported that the team had extended a tender offer to linebacker Keith Ellison, as well. It's not yet known what level of tender offer Ellison received.
The team has now confirmed that Ashton Youboty and Derek Schouman received tender offers as well. The club does not disclose tender levels, so Wilson's second-round tender is the only one we know for sure at this moment.
The decision to extend tenders to just four players leaves Gibran Hamdan, Joe Klopfenstein, Jonathan Scott, and Richie Incognito out of the loop. They immediately become unrestricted free agents.
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Gibran Hamdan, Derek Schouman, Joe Klopfenstein, Jonathan Scott, Richie Incognito and Ashton Youboty.
Gah. What a motley group. Would we miss any of these guys? I’m think no.
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I'm of the opinion
We definetly need to keep Incognito for at least 1 more season. Why make more holes?
Why is everyone around here so afraid of creating more holes? I hear that so much any more.
"We can’t cut player “X”, or trade Player “Y” for draft picks because we can’t create more holes."
Heaven forbid we cut our 3rd string TE without someone griping about the hole it just made in our already thin roster. It is like many of you are missing the point of rebuilding. If the Bills start to rebuild, like they have, but keep all of the same players they had from the previous year, what exactly are they rebuilding? You can’t keep the roster intact and rebuild at the same time.
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No ones suggesting leaving the roster intact that I've seen
But seriously we already have holes. If an area’s not a weakness, why tear it down. Fix the weakness’s first then move on to upgrading elsewhere.
Who did Incognito get cut from? The Rams, the team with the #1 draft pick in this years draft because they were so bad. Lets build around him!
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He didn’t get cut from the Rams due to a lack of talent though, Eric.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I never said he's a building block
I’m just saying he’s not a guy you have toupgrade from right this instance. This is all moot anyhow since the Bill’s didn’t tender him anyway’s. lol
And all I am saying is why keep him if you aren’t going to build around him? I also never said he should go just that if he did, who cares?
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Very bad move Buddy!
Cogs should have got a 3rd round tender. Cheap to keep and hold the fort down until Wood gets healthy.
Great pickup for free, and stupid release for nothing.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 4, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe - just maybe
This is a sign that they are very confidant re Wood recovering. We do afterall have these fellas called “Team Doctors” It’s in the realms of possibility that they know something that us general fans do not :)
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I sure hope you are right Will....
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 4, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
There was no third round tender.
Tenders for RFAs with four years experience
Original draft pick tender – $1.176M
Second-round tender – $1.759M
First-round tender – $2.521M
First and third-round tender – $3.168M
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have to be a guy to build around
in order to keep him.
Why keep Ellison? Youboty? Schouman? Why do any teams keep RFA’s that they don’t build around????
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yeah, I’m a little surprised they wouldn’t at least keep him as backup. The rest, I’m not disappointed.
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You don't know that Brian
It was likely a combination of Attitude and Talent – ie Bad attitude and mediocre talent. If he had enough talent they would have overlooked it. Also, it might be fair to assume that if we saw talent in him he would have received a tender – even the low one.
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haha nice
I think they original tender Youboty just to use him as trade bait; Cogs for depth and maybe the same for Schou
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What kind of trade are we going to make for an injury-prone fourth CB?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
what effective RB are you planning to get with that..?
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Clean Slate
Holy Crap! Just wipe the slate….we need a completely new team—completely. I like Freddy Jackson and……WIPE IT!!
im guessing this means cogs gets the first round tender
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
just thought this team wouldnt want to let go of o line depth
i guess i was wrong. with wood very questionable, its a weird decision to let cogs go
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
This is good to hear I hope we sign him to a longer term contract and have him and Byrd as our starting safeties next season.
i think scott is the better SS
for now. scott is better at run support. but wilson should be in for the passing downs with byrd.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not Enough
I think they should have went a step further and placed the 1st round tender on Wilson. He definitely should be starting for us next year, and I wouldn’t trade him for a 2nd round pick.
I would trade Wilsonfor a second round draft pick
In a about half a heartbeat. He’s a nice player and all but a 2nd rounder for him would be a fantastic value.
by mob16151 on Mar 4, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hell yeah
get that 2nd rounder for undrafted guy… I think it makes all the sense. Good guy, nice player… Ill take more draft picks
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Agree - we dont need Wilson and Whitner
if you get a 2nd for EITHER of them you jump on it – start the other and use Scott where needed.
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Look on the brightside
If we do lose Wilson by some freak occurence,we still have Whitner on the roster.
Dang
While Whitners been a dissapointment when you consider where he was drafted, he’s not exactly what I would calla scrub either. He’s a solid pro. And the most valuable safety on our roster when you consider his versaitility.
And the most valuable safety on our roster when you consider his versaitility.
I assume you mean SS. And even then I disagree. He makes no plays.
What versatility?
Anybody can line up as a FS, a SS or a nickel corner. Whitner hasn’t proven he’s good at any of those positions. If he was making plays at any of those positions, then I’d agree with his versatility tag, but he’s just another guy out there.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Really?
If solet’s put Byrd at SS and see how that goes. or Scott at FS. C’mon man you know your exaggerating now. lol
What?
I am missing your point I guess.
My point is Whitner has been average, at best, at any position he’s lined up at. Just because he’s played free safety, for example, doesn’t mean he was any good there. And I think it hardly proves how versatile he is. When I think of a player having versatility, I tend to think it means he can be successful in a number of ways/positions/situations. I don’t see that in Whitner.
Wilson on the other hand is versatile to me. He has played free safety well, played very well at strong safety last year, can help against the run and pass, and was a special teams captain.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2010 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
First for the record I'm not a huge Whitner fan.
But what I’m saying is that Whitner is the only guy in our secondary that can play at 3 different positions. Byrd can play FS only doesn’t tackle well enough to play SS. Scott’s a dedicated SS, he doesn’t have the range for FS. Wilson can play either Safety spot but would get murdered playing Cornerback. And while Whitner’s not great at any 1 position he doesn’t get you killed anywhere you put him either. Plus he’s only 24 and his salary is very,very reasonable for the next few seasons. Which makes him the second youngest safety on the team. Don’t get me wrong I love George Wilson, I just don’t know how much success he can maintain over the course of a season. But I do hope he play’s well for usfor the next several year’s. But if I can get a 2nd rounder for Wilson, I’m gonna take it knowing that we still have 2 young safeties with upside still on the roster.
Sorry about the wall of type btw.
I disagree. I think Whitner got killed at CB.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
@ K
I tend to think it means he can be successful in a number of ways/positions/situations. I don’t see that in Whitner.
I am not you, so I can’t say what you use to judge success. It seems you count “making plays” as a barometer of success, while personally, I count not screwing up as a type of success.
Was Byrd successful at making run-stopping plays last year? Not really, but you wouldn’t call him unsuccessful because of it due to the plays he made in the passing game.
While Whitner may take a bad angle every once in a while, he made multiple plays in the running game last year, while not making many plays in the passing game (although he had a career year in that regard).
I took Mob’s meaning of versatility as Whitner can play all three positions if needed without being too much of a liability, most safeties in the NFL cannot play nickel corner at ALL.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
It seems you count "making plays" as a barometer of success, while personally, I count not screwing up as a type of success.
Well making plays is one part of the equation, as is not screwing up. However, I think Whitner screws up a lot more than anyone likes to admit. Average tackler, terrible in man to man coverage and always late to the ball as a safety in the passing game.
Byrd was successful against the pass, in terms of INT’s, but overall and I’ve said this before, he has a long ways to go. His run stopping was mediocre, to be nice, and I still believe he needs to recognize and react to passing plays quicker. He was in great position a lot, but there were times I remember him being out of position or overplaying.
As for him not being too much of a liability as a nickel CB, I don’t really agree. He routinely got beat by TE’s and slot WR’s whenever matched up against them the past few years. Just because he might not be as terrible as a Bryan Scott or George Wilson at nickel CB, doesn’t mean he’s better than an actual 3rd or 4th or 5th CB. That’s why I can’t consider him this super versatile DB that some do.
Just my two pennies…
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well making plays is one part of the equation, as is not screwing up. However, I think Whitner screws up a lot more than anyone likes to admit. Average tackler, terrible in man to man coverage and always late to the ball as a safety in the passing game.
Amen. I’d add to your stellar assessment that he must have fallen asleep the day they taught geometry—he takes so many bad angles in coverage or run support.
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I didn't want to pile on
:)
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Now I feel bad…I’ve been harping on the same thing for years and I swear that I’ll give it a rest.
Then… I watch some play where the guy with the ball is running into the secondary and Whitner is/should be in a position—especially with all his speed—to limit the damage. But dang it, he runs to the wrong spot, watching the defender cross in front of him safely out of his reach. Next, we watch Whitner and a parade of other Bills trying to catch the guy from behind. Eventually McGee makes the tackle with Donte helping to cover up after the man is falling to the ground.
I’m obsessing again; It’s back to the therapist for me.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 4, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying he's a scrub
But he was way over-drafted and I’m kind of sick of hearing/seeing players taken much later than him on our team with limited looks proving to be more successful than him. Sure he’s versatile, but give me production over versatility any day.
But he was way over-drafted
I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m just saying Whitner’s not as bad as some people make out. And he’s still young.
Whitner
Is average at best and is limited in pass coverage.
Sireic—-I don’t believe I’ve read where posters are saying don’t trade or cut a 3rd string player (I know you are exaggerating) but there are players that keep coming up that some want to trade to get draft choices. Some of the players such as Williams, Incognito, Lynch can and will still be productive under the new coaching staff instead of giving them away for unproven draft picks.
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Sireic—-I don’t believe I’ve read where posters are saying don’t trade or cut a 3rd string player (I know you are exaggerating) but there are players that keep coming up that some want to trade to get draft choices.
Check out this thread. from when Derek Fine was cut, and tell me that nobody was complaining. A quote form Ron:
Derek Fine
Ugh. Yet another hole to fill.
Some of the players such as Williams, Incognito, Lynch can and will still be productive under the new coaching staff instead of giving them away for unproven draft picks.
The point is that this team is rebuilding. Do you rebuild around marginal players or do you try and get better ones?
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The keyword is there is rebuilding.
Basically you have to identify where your "most "mediocre and upgrade there first. If you have a journey man at a position that’s not a problem. You know you need to upgrade from said journeyman,just not right away. Rome wasn’t built in a single night and all.
I have been saying that this is a two year process at least, for sometime now. I am also not saying that the Bills SHOULD cut ties with players like Incognito, just that if they did, who cares? Is he going to be on the team in two or three years when the team is (hopefully) ready to compete? Probably not, so if he goes now or a year from now what is the difference?
If the Bills dropped Incognito and replaced him on the roster with a 7th round pick to develop is that the worst thing in the world?
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Fine
Sorry must have missed someone saying Fine in all the 100’s of post.
What you consider marginal players some of us consider players worth keeping to help in the “rebuilding process”.
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You're not building around those players though
You’re building depth with them….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
You’re building depth with them….
Sure…really crappy depth, but I guess your right it is depth.
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Are we expecting quality depth this offseason??
I know I’m not. We have a ton of needs and depth concerns just about everywhere, and only so many free additions and possible draft picks to fill them.
You don’t think Lynch and Williams make for quality depth though??
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
UPDATE: Bills have tendered Wilson, Ellison, Youboty and Schouman. Richie Incognito and the rest did not get offers.
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Why Not?
Is there some other guard/center depth option on their mind?
by IthacaBillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Could be they don’t want no locker room disharmony with Kawika and Incognito.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Surprise
Out with the old, in with the new. Screw the line, other than Wood and levitte, they can all go bye, bye. A little surprised about Incog. but he was a desperation pick-up. I’m liking the apparent house cleaning so far..
by buffalobacker on Mar 4, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’m surprised Youboty was tendered too with so much time on the shelf the past several years.
I’m definitely disspointed Incognito wasn’t tendered, wouldn’t be surprised to see him going to camp with the Dolphins this coming season.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the new regime isn't a fan?
Could be a myraid of reasons as to why he wasn’t. Anyone know what round he was drafted in?
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 4, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Could be.
Incognito was drafted in the 3rd.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you, I hoped someone would know, been a long week and didn't feel like looking it up.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 4, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Youboty
Hopefully they just tendered him at a low level hoping someone else signs him. Either that or maybe Catavalos coming back influenced us keeping him?
by IthacaBillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Way off topic but...
How about Catavalos as the HC ( maybe after being a DC for a couple years) after the Gailey experience. I mean Gailey is older, I hope he does well but lets be realistic. Maybe, the new Nix/Whaley FO works out and they bring up Catavalos through the ranks. I know a big reach but IMO should be approach to getting coaches, Buffalo isn’t a desirable destination for HC’s these days (from thet last few searches, espc. this search). So, if we can’t get the big names to come here, maybe we got to groom some good guys like Catavalos. I know, big reach but I’m a thinker and stoned, ha jk.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 4, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Gailey seems to be grooming his OC buddy Mankins for a future HC job. But you’re right, it’s way off topic.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
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Stoned and thinking, that could be dangerous!!!
by buffalobacker on Mar 4, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Could be.
or maybe Catavalos coming back influenced us keeping him?
Maybe
Youboty is a decent player if he can stay healthy, I like his open field tackling.
Knock on him is the injuries.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
IMO, that is the only thing wrong with Youboty, I hope he stays on.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Youboty is a VERY good special teams player, IMO
He can also play in this defense and fight for the nickel/dime CB role.
That’s not something I’d be willing to say about Ellison.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Is Ellison getting tendered
as trade bait. I think whatever his tender is round wise, he could be a valuable player for those small 4-3 D’s, like our former D. I’ve been reading a lot about rebuilding vs. keeping certains players, lets let the new “inner cricle” define who they want and don’t want. It’s their first official off-season, with tons of transitions, we’ll see how we feel about our roster around april 20th? Anyway, if Ellison is one of the guys that doesn’t fit, I feel get what we can for him. Just how I feel, and I hope Wilson isn’t on the trade block, I personally would rather see Whitner go, even with his versatility. He just isn’t the safetey we thought, obviously but just having 4 career INT’s and the first one was the first game of his career ( I think; Brady?). He’s a vocal leader but hasn’t earned that leadership by his play on the field to date. My take on Whitner, regardless of draft pick (don’t wanna think about it).
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 4, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions
Well there you go
Incognito wasn’t tendered so chances are he won’t be with the Bills.
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Maybe Richie
Growled at Nix everytime he tried to get him to sign the tender sheet. If I was 70 year’s old I’d be afraid of Incognito. Heck I’m28 and Richie makes me “mildly apprehensive”. And he was on our side lol
I doubt that's it.
He publicly said he liked Buffalo and would like to stay here.
I’m betting character issues in the past and Chan Gailey is another “high character” guy.
Add in Kawika’s displeasure when we claimed him off waivers and there is a few good reasons to start.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I would take Mitchell
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 4, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I would have liked both.
Nix claims they want to run it. Incognito is good at that, getting a block at the point of attack and a second seal off at the 2nd level from the side the play is running away from, he could have helped us. He’s a punisher and a finisher in the run game, not so great pass locking as he is run blocking.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with mob16151 – I’d rather have Incognito over Mitchell.
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Why?????? This Cogs love people have is a mirage....when has he ever done anything to merit it?
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Yeah, I don't understand that one at all
Mitchell is going to give us quality depth at LB, and maybe even start. He’s had some productive moments as a Bill, while Incognito has done a whole lot of what?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Ummm
K, I’m putting 50 bucks on the answer to your Question being – PENALTIES
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Yeah I know you're a Incognito fan
and I’m also in favor of both but we’ll see. Richie brings us that toughness and depth like you said about pounding the ball. Him, Wood, Levitre, and even Hang are a nasty quality interior, with depth. We’ll see if ODB has another interior guy guy they must like.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 4, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions
and even Hang are a nasty quality interior,
I don’t like Hangartner playing center. He short snaps bad snaps late in the game out of the shotgun way too much. I don’t know if it is conditioning or center not being a natural position for him but he did it alot last year in the 2nd half. I do like Hangs mobility to pull, but he also showed a weakness against the bull rush too. I really would like to see Wood be a center since that is where he played his college ball.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I want Kevin Mawae PLEASE!
I like Hang, but as a solid reserve/spot-starter…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t forget he had that back injury for a while too. It was weird because he was doing fine and then the short snapping thing suddenly sprung up. As far as the bull rush thing, yeah, I see that. But being a center against the 3-4 NT’s in the AFC East has got to be the most thankless job in the NFL though.
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The only one I have a problem with is Incognito. The guy came in with only a few games left in the year, didn’t throw a temper tantrum or anything on the field, had to learn a new system on the fly and still performed admirably. with an offensive line that has more holes than swiss cheese and falls apart like one dollar suitcase and is subject to all these cliches needs as many on the depth chart as it can get.
Sucker!
You actually bought a $1 briefcase
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by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
That's pretty unfair.
Tom Donahoe bought the $1 briefcase with that sloth Mike Williams. Richie isn’t the Million dollar briefcase, but he is sure much more than the $1, he can run block pretty well.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Shotgun problems
are well documented, agree on that note but Hang is our C for the next 2-3 years for sure.The Org. likes him and he could hold the line untill we get the great Kristopher O’Dowd OC from USC in a year or 2. He’s a stud.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 4, 2010 5:41 PM EST reply actions
Then why not?
Switch Wood and Hang? It would make sense to move them back to their natural positions. The only position change up that worked for the last regime was Byrd and Levitre (and Levitre still got bull rushed too), I think it makes alot of sense to move them back where they are natural positions with Wood and Hang all three are mobile and can pull. It makes no sense to me keeping Hang at center unless the FO thinks it is a conditioning problem and Wood doesn’t have enough mobility to pull around the Tackle on an outside run, I think he can.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
incognito
I think i must be missing something, we have almost no o-line talent and we pass on this guy a $1.2M a year. It cannot be a character issue we have lynch still on the roster. As i recall miami tried to get him, too. Atleast we got the otehr four tenders correct, but we took care of the db’s and ignored the line again.
by wab2 on Mar 4, 2010 6:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You are probably on to something...
I think i must be missing something
There is definitely something about him that Nix didn’t want to deal with.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
It cannot be a character issue we have lynch still on the roster.
Actually it can be because of Kawika, I think they value him more, he is good at jumping the snap while poz isn’t, I think they see Kawika as the rusher from ILB and don’t want issues between him and Richie, that makes the most sense to me.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 4, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'll Quess
We grabbed him up outa desperation in the midst of the season. Seasons over and new coaches have a different course of action.
by buffalobacker on Mar 4, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
With you Bro.....
"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 4, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Approve of this. for the most part.
I would have tendered Incognito to some degree tho. Maybe this is a good indication that Eric Wood is healing up well, hopefully. Also Ellison? Does he in anyway fit into a 3-4 defense? Maybe this is a good indication that the Bills are going to tailor their own version of the 3-4 to their personal.
I do like Shouman tho, I think if he can avoid injuries, he can prove to be a very good no. 2 TE beside Shawn Nelson. Also ive liked Youboty, if he also can avoid injuries I would much rather have him at 4th string CB and dime CB than say Reggie Corner.
A 2nd. round tender is a pretty good amount in my opinion to place on Wilson as it makes it extremely unlikely that another team will try to sign him but it does make it so that their is some even miniscular chance that if another team really likes Wilson so much then the Bills would get great compensation.
does not make sense to not tender Cogs
even if we dont want him, we could try to get something out of it
and i really don’t care about his past he is great depth at the least
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Like who we tendered, not disapointed to see anyone gone.
Cogs was a finge starter at best, decent depth at worst, and a huge headache all around. We can get a player that is just as talented and nowhere near as troublesome in free agency. let him go.
As for the guys we tendered. Schouman is looking to log a lot of reps as our number 2 guy at TE. And Wilson is a great player. I truly hope that we sign him long term, Byrd and him were majic at safety for us last year!
Ellisson and Youboty I could do without, but Gailey and Nix both stressed deffensive depth, so I guess that explains them.
The more I see, the les I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2010 8:00 PM EST reply actions
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