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Some things to glean from the 2010 NFL Combine

Instead of doing a rising/falling article and re-hashing the debate about how important the NFL Combine is, let's assume that the Buffalo Bills have their board perfectly set up, and the rest of us are just playing catch-up. Here are a few players who should be on the radar of Bills fans after the combine drills and measurements.

By the way, if you're interested, SB Nation has released its first mock draft with commentary from this very blog.

Clifton Geathers, DE, South Carolina. Geathers isn't a familiar name because he was a surprise early entry into the draft. The type of talent that could have worked his way into first-round consideration next year, Geathers declared early despite being considered a mid-round pick. Geathers needs to be on the draft radar of Bills fans because he's a perfect fit in the 3-4; he stands 6'7" with absurd 37.75-inch arms and huge hands. To put that in perspective, only four other defensive lineman had arms that measured in over 35 inches, and the second-longest, Al Woods of LSU, had 36-inch arms. Think about the advantage that those long arms give Geathers, as he can grab hold of a blocker and really use his arm strength while a guard with 32 or 33 inch arms will struggle to reach and get a hold of Geathers' jersey. Clifton wasn't unproductive, either, with 41 tackles - 8.5 of which were behind the LOS - and 3.5 sacks. His draft status is something of a mystery to me, so I'll say that anywhere between the second and fifth is possible.

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Donald Butler, ILB, Washington. An under-the-radar prospect who anchored a decent UW defense. He had 94 tackles, 15.5 of which were in the backfield, and he forced three fumbles for the Huskies. After weighing in at 245 pounds, putting up 35 reps and having a measured arm length of almost 33 inches, he looks like an excellent fit as a 3-4 inside linebacker. In a draft class that has very few players who are a natural fit in that role, Butler should be a name the Bills consider calling in the middle rounds. You've also got to love that he had a huge game in Washington's 16-13 upset of USC, registering 12 tackles (two for a loss), an INT and a FF.

Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian. Jared Veldheer has been getting all the press, but Washington was more impressive at the combine. Taller than 6'6'', very long arms, big hands, good bench and athletic in drills. Don't be surprised if Washington gets his name called before Veldheer on draft day. He only played one year of high school football before playing at a JUCO school; he then transferred to his DII school. Despite the inexperience (or maybe because of the level of competition), Washington was an All-American performer.

These guys might be good players, but it won't be in Buffalo
Colt McCoy, QB, Texas. He's barely 6'1'' and has very questionable arm strength. McCoy needs to be in a dome, and simply doesn't have the physical abilities to succeed on an outdoor team with weather like Buffalo has. If I were running the Bills draft, I'd consider taking McCoy off the board entirely. I think he's that poor of a fit here.

Pat Angerer, ILB, Iowa. Name and attitude not withstanding, Angerer probably doesn't fit in the 3-4. He's a good prospect, but at 235 pounds with short arms, he's more of a 4-3 player. It's a shame, because the Iowa product would probably be a fan favorite here.

Stock solidified
Eric Berry, S, Tennessee.
Weighed in at 211 pounds and ran well. It's looking pretty likely that Berry will be off the board when the Bills pick, and that's a very good thing for those hoping that their favorite LT or Rolando McClain will be available.

Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State. Super long arms, a great performance in the bench press, and reportedly impressive interview sessions mean that Okung is less available to Buffalo than ever. He's really solidified himself as the top OT.

Questions remain
Joe Haden, CB, Florida.
4.58 is an ugly time for a cornerback to run, especially one who was supposed to run in the low 4.4s. Haden won't drop down draft boards based on these 40 times, but GMs won't laugh those times off either. Every team in the league is probably going back to the tape with Haden to make sure that he really does play as fast as they think. My guess is that Haden did something wrong on a technical level, hesitating early in his run and will do well at his pro day, but it's certainly something to keep an eye on.

Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa. 33 inch arms are considered long enough, but they'll be a concern moving forward, especially since he doesn't have the feet to recover consistently when beaten. Considered a Top 10 prospect by some and a Top 20 guy by others, the debate over whether or not Bulaga is a reach in the Top 10 will last right up until the draft.

Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers. Looks smooth and athletic on film, but looked stiff in his drills. One thing I havn't seen mentioned, but could be a concern for teams, is that he didn't put in enough effort to ace the drills. If he's as athletic as he often looked in games and didn't time well in drills, it's possible that he simply didn't put the work in that other prospects did.

Sliding (I couldn't resist)
Dezmon Briscoe, WR, Kansas.
I think his slow 40 times will hurt him. He ran a 4.64, and people can say what they want about 40 times not mattering, but Briscoe isn't a sudden or explosive player. He's more of an open field strider, and that works fine in spread offenses where receivers aren't challenged at the line, and where open space is available. But in the NFL, I think Briscoe will struggle.

Joe McKnight, RB, USC. I don't really believe that McKnight is sliding. I think he's always been very overrated based on being a top high school recruit. For a supposedly explosive RB, McKnight isn't that explosive of a player. Add in some fumbling problems, and I don't see McKnight as a player who will be chosen in the earlier rounds of the draft.

WNY connections looking good
James Starks, RB, Buffalo.
Starks is a tall RB whose upright running style will likely limit him to a backup or part time role, but his solid combine performance will get him drafted. Starks ran a 4.5 at 218 pounds and looked good in drills.

Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse. Only a WNY connection due to the amount of 'Cuse fans in the area. Jones, coming off a knee injury, didn't work out. But his measurements were impressive. He weighed in over 300 pounds and his 35.25-inch arms and ability to hold up blockers makes him an ideal fit in two-gap schemes.

Doug Worthington, DT, Ohio State. The WNY native is a little taller than 6'5'' and his 34-inch arms could give him an advantage against guards playing as a 3-4 DE.

Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona. The other WNY native, Gronkowski was the tallest TE at the combine (6'6"). He was the second-heaviest and second-longest TE, and also had the biggest hands at his position. Add in some good athletic ability and a great attitude, and Gronkowski could go very early.

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Joe McKnight, RB, USC: Did he run the 40 at the Combine? If he did, could someone post what he ran. I always thought he was a tad overrated, but not his fault. He was the one behind Bush and they all expected another Reggie Bush, not gunna happen. (College version anyways) I wouldnt mind him in the 4th if McCluster is gone by then. Feel like he could be a nice change of pace back. And who knows maybe plays with a bit of a chip on his shoulder to prove he CAN do it all.

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by bflo on Mar 5, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

He did

He ran a 4.47

Also, McCluster ran a surprising 4.58.

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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

wow! McCluster only ran a 4.58?… that is suprising. I would be happy if we could get either one in the 4th. Id rather have McCluster, I dont need a 40 to know hes fast lol, that little dude can run. But McKnight might be a more “safe” pick due to size. Not that hes big, but bigger than McCluster.

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by bflo on Mar 5, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

McCluster has game speed, which is so much more important than Combine speed.

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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

anyone else notice

how it seems like all the 40 times in the Combine seem to be low since being held in the new stadium? i noticed that the turf seems much more spongy than the old stuff was, and also that a lot of guys that you expect to be sub- 4.3 end up being just over 4.4. then at their pro-day they light it up. i just wonder if the times are skewed, thus we have opportunity to look at many more players who could still translate, but we don’t because the doubt is created at the combine. seems like the place can almost work against people that could otherwise pan out. still a necessary evil though. thoughts?.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn’t the turf a big issue with Malcolm Kelly? Didn’t he want to wait until his pro day to run, and then he still ran slow as a QB?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 5, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

but we don’t because the doubt is created at the combine

I don’t see that because its a level playing field for all the guys that ran – they all ran the same track.

Combine isn’t going to make or break a lot of these guys anymore – I think game film means so much more than it did even 2 years ago. When you see teams like the Raiders just picking guys based off of size/speed/strength but still suck then you know the combine is more about the interviews and just making sure the players are in shape than actually changing draft slots.

It’s possible guys will jump a little – but definately not a ton anymore. Even Nix has said that they will go off of film more than combine numbers because what’s done on the field is more important

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

its level only at the combine.

however not all guys compete at the combine, mostly the guys from schools that don’t have a lot of talent go because the scouts/coaches won’t necessarily make the trip to their school. most of the significant schools have a pro day where the players can showcase their talent with their teammates which is more condusive in most peoples opinions. so if they “shine” at their pro day, and i disagree with you, i do feel that it creates this late surge and a late rise on the boards (see “Sanchez” from last year)

and FYI, citing Al Davis’ insanity does little to prove a point.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

the point that i was trying to make was that combine numbers aren’t end all be all.

if someone runs a 4.4 at the combine then runs a 4.33 at his proday do you honestly think that teams will even care?

game film means more – combine is just adding information. even Nix said that they have their draft board almost set and the combine wont’ really change any of that.

as per Al Davis – he is the easiest target – there are many examples of teams reaching for players becuase of their combine and not going on game film then having them flop because of it.

game film means everything – combine just shows these guys are still in shape and they can do interviews there (which is important)

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

game film in college

is very different as it is difficult to gauge the talent level and ensure that the player translates in the NFL. the senior bowl is almost the only example of a “level” playing field in college. the rest is guess work, because you can have tremendous stats, but be from a D 2 school, and be dominant against lesser talent. that is why the SEC is such a significant breeding ground for NFL talent, because most of these teams are running pro style systems and have solid and consistent recruiting. so measurables may help a guy to get noticed, and have a shot at being drafted or signed, where as they otherwise may have to take the Fred Jackson route, which is so difficult and counter productive, as you may end up as a first year starter at the “ripe old” age of 29.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel pretty confident say that NFL scouts take game film into consideration far more than combine results.

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

without asking them personally,

i could only speculate. Combine seems like a pretty big deal if it isn’t as important as seeing what they “already accomplished” in college. especially when so many college “superstars” don’t translate. how many Heismann winners went on to do NADA in the NFL? their game film was likely great. doesn’t mean they can play the next level.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

without asking them personally, i could only speculate

NIx said as much

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

thats one guy

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

so has Bill Polian, AJ smith – i’ve heard that manyh times from GMs over the years.

Combine is more for the media and fans than for actual scouts. yes the scouts get things out of it – but not as much as game film

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The biggest "goings-on" at the combine were

talks between the FO personnel and agents prepping for FA…besides the interviews of course.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

so the 40 times and the bench presses and the arm measurements haven’t been discussed ad nauseum all over this site and others? that is just ignorant.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They have been talked about...

because there was nothing else to talk about…

You act as if scouts would not find out any of this info at the pro days…I dont even understand where you are going with this anymore…you started talking about the discrepancy in 40 times at the combine and some of us stated that the combine is not all that important. You tend to think it is, good for you, but you wont change my mind with such an argument.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the measurements are a really big deal for teams. I think that guys definitely slide up and down boards based on how they weigh in and measure. The weigh ins are also a good chance for teams to see the physique of the players and whether it’s muscle or fat and whether the player can pack on additional weight in the future.

I think the 40 times and other workouts are more of a confirmation of what scouts see on tape. Teams are far more interested in game speed than what these guys do in shorts. So, when somebody like Haden or McCluster runs slow, it doesn’t necessarily hurt them. It just means that teams are going back over the film and they’re doing it with the knowledge that these guys might not be as fast as they thought. Some teams might see those low 40 times, rewatch the film and come to the conclusion that a guy like Haden isn’t that fast and slide him down the board. Or they could watch McCluster and say that he’s definitely explosive and that his 40 time is meaningless.

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by kaisertown on Mar 5, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and may be an important one to Buffalo

but he isn’t our savior yet. save the martydom for the real Polians of the league.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

like I said – I just said Nix because he’s on the Bills – but most GMs think that way.

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

most gms? over 16 of them? talked to them have you? i am just saying there must be validity to the process otherwise it wouldn’t get the focus it does.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

most gms? over 16 of them? talked to them have you

nope – just waht i’ve read – and interviews i’ve seen. i’m not just saying – i’ve definately read and saw interviews with GMs that say that.

i am just saying there must be validity to the process otherwise it wouldn’t get the focus it does.

there is – but to a point. game film means so much more because you can see how they look and react on the field.

the reason the combine gets so much focus now is because of ratings. they want the NFL to have year round attention. there is nothing going on in the NFL right now – so the combine gets all the coverage.

combine is good to see players in certain lights and especially interviews. but to say that the combine means a player will jump from the 3rd round to the 1st because he ran a 4.4 when scouts thought he’d run a 4.7 is stretching things

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

heard of Chris Johnson?

graded late second early third based on competition and game film. when did he go…? his 4.2 forty sure didn’t hurt.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He would have gone earlier than that anyways…it was pre-draft prediction by a professional wannabe-scout who probably never heard of C. Johnson, but I bet the Titans knew who he was LONG before the combine.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yup – especially since he had over a 6 yard per carry his final year in college and 17 TDs

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

in East Carolina!!!!

not exactly the stiffest competition

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

still impressive numbers – which is why we took Byrd so high. same situation

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve McNair, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice…talent comes from everywhere

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

T.O

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by billsoferie on Mar 5, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Johnson

rushing
236 attempts 1423 yards 6.0 carry 17 tds

receiving
37 for 528 14.3 average 6 TDs.

those are pretty impressive stats

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yup they are

and go check out xavier omons stats

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

different types of players – Omon wasn’t a burner like Jonnson is. that was known

Johnsons speed was never in question off of his game film – I remember people here wanting him as a RB because of how fast he was.

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

what i am saying

is competition in indicative of some stats. Johnson may not have had those numbers if he played for ND or USC or The U because he would have been playing other talented college players. obviously we can speculate otherwise based on his NFL success. HIndsight is 20/20 in this example

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnson may not have had those numbers if he played for ND or USC or The U because he would have been playing other talented college players

but he would have also had better players around him. better blockers etc…

you could argue that if he was on a team like USC or ND that he would have been more productive because of the guys he had around him.

he obviously showed tremendous talent or else he would have never even been invited to the combine.

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

graded late second early third based on competition and game film

Everybody knew that Chris Johnson was the fastest player at the combine before they ran. Just like Jacoby Ford this year. If everybody was predicting that Johnson would run 4.3 flat and then he ran slightly faster than that, how does that really help his stock?

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by kaisertown on Mar 5, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

how many Heismann winners went on to do NADA in the NFL?

well they don’t also go high do they? look at Tebow – he’ll go into the second round because he doesn’t translate per his game film.

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

his film

 shows that he has ability to be leader and win games. if that doesn’t translate it is because teams aren’t sure about the throwing style. worked for warner though.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

teams aren’t sure about the throwing style. worked for warner though.

either throwing motion or the spread offense. teams are worried he won’t transition because of the spread offense and he ran a lot. thats why

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

and no teams use a spread?

like maybe Pats, or Saints, or Cards, or Pitt, or Vikings, or any other playoff/ super bowl team of last 5 years? assumption that it can’t or won’t translate.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and do those guys QBs run the ball?

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

don't have to

they can throw a 2 yd crossing pattern. because they have a LINE. and yes Big Ben does. but he is a phenom.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

he ran 217 times this year for 910 yds at 4.2 yds per clip.

I think that bears consideration.

there are reason teams won’t pick him early – the draft will confirm as much

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Shotgun isn’t necessarily spread. It’s about reading defenses. And Tom Brady and Drew Brees are asked to do so much more in those few seconds before the snap and the few seconds after the snap than somebody like Tebow or McCoy. Don’t confuse the Saints putting Drew Brees in the shotgun and asking him to read a pro defense, go through his progressions, and time everything out to hit players as they’re making their breaks in the route with Tim Tebow taking a snap from the shotgun, reading one safety to determine if his first route is open and then looking to a simple drag route as his 2nd progression and then taking off and running.

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by kaisertown on Mar 5, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

and maybe becuase he cant throw a ball and hit the broad side of Kim Kardashian’s ass…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

nor could i

but i think that it might be bacause throwing something else at Kim Kardashian’s ass if given the chance. who is to say he wouldn’t too? wouldn’t be the first NFLer to do so hahahaha

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason White

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- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST

by bflo on Mar 5, 2010 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Eric Crouch, Troy Smith… Heisman means nothing. Especially with QB

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by bflo on Mar 5, 2010 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Troy Smith's

Only problem is crappy luck. If he doesn’t get sick in the pre season, Joe Flacco doesn’t start his rookie season.

by mob16151 on Mar 5, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The Heismann is not the award for the best NFL prospect either

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

you're right

what is? first round first pick? that is hardly the point. point is you need to gather as much info as possible to make an educated decision.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The counter-argument to that is this:
is why the SEC is such a significant breeding ground for NFL talent

Or at least people think that…there are countless examples of SEC players being busts, just because they played in the SEC (the most overhyped conference of all) fans think they are going to play well in the NFL due to the level of competition. How has that worked out for Glenn Dorsey, Vince Young, Jamarcus Russell, or any of the LBs from the state of FL, or any linemen from Texas?

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

remind me why we are drafting a RB in the 4th round when we have no offensive line and already 2 starting caliber RB’s? Much rather pick up one of the 10 good ones in FA.

by csc06258 on Mar 5, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I personally expect us to end up with more picks than we have right now. So with those extra picks, we would be able to add a McCluster/McKnight. Freddy will be on that side of 30 next year. And adding a young, faster style back is something we need IMO. Lynch and Jackson arent going to be able to break the long one, whereas these players can. Its not like we sustained many long scoring TD drives. If we can get a few long ones from these guys, thats a win.

I think of the Cowboys: Barber (Lynch) Choice (Jackson) Felix Jones (McKnight/McCluster)

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by bflo on Mar 5, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice Post...some comments to add

Bulaga’s arm length is apparently the same as Jake Long’s so that there should answer the question if he can play LT. If the guy doesn’t pan out as a top LT would you be upset with a very, very good RT? I wouldn’t.

 If I were drafting, I would take Bulaga if he is there at 9, which I have a feeling he won’t be, just because he is extremely polished. If Bulaga isn’t there, the pick has to be Rolando Mcclain. The Bills have to take the best player available there, and Mcclain is a guy that can man the middle for years alongside Poz. This automatically upgrades our defense but still leaves us 2 tackles to find. At a spot like 9 you have the ability to upgrade your team, and its not by taking the 3rd best OT, its by taking the best “someone” at their position. Grant it, LB is one of our needs anyway and Mcclain should be the guy. Nice thing about this draft is there are plenty of LB’s that could be very good in this league that can be taken later in the draft. That is not so true for OT’s, which is another reason the Bills may be desperate and grad a tackle at 9 and hope to land a solid LB in the later rounds. However, if they go this route, I have a feeling will be calling Anthony Davis or Bruce Campbell a bust after year one like some of us are with Maybin.

Your spot on in regards to Anthony Davis. This guy has got Jason Peter’s (or Andre Smith…Bengals) written all over him. He has the physicality to be dominate but doesn’t have the mind to be. Like Peters, he is lazy at times and that will hurt your football team. He obviously didn’t prep that well for the combine as he looked horrible in drills. Trent Williams on the other hand, worked very hard and impressed at the combine. That said, I wouldn’t touch him either, unless you wanted a RT. I’ve seen him play and he fits better as a RT than a LT. Bulaga will give you his all on every play and is a safe pick. Thats why he is above Campbell and Davis. The risk reward is too much there to gamble on if I am a GM. I want players that give 100% and want to work, not players who are just worried 100% about their next paycheck. Bulaga is a safe pick at 9 and worst case scenario he would be a very good RT in this league if he can’t make it as a LT and I am fine with that versus hoping Davis gives a damn about football or if Campbell can actually play football and not is just a workout freak.

by csc06258 on Mar 5, 2010 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

don't you feel

your focus on 9th overall should be on the biggest need? though we need bookends… the LT position is far more important and should thus be the biggest are of concern between the two tackles at very least. i understand your saying that you can try him out at LT and see how it goes, and then you can always move him but i expect there to be enough players out there that translate that we don’t need to reach. we can sit where we are, and take the best player, or move back to compile picks. either is likely, and works for trying to accomplish the goal long term. take the best players because you have needs everywhere. we are in a multi- year (like 4-5 probably) rebuild with little expectations of playoffs for the forseeable future. now is not the time to set yourselves further behind on a project player at 9.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

your saying exactly what i said. I dont want a project (Davis or Campbell). Bulaga isn’t a project, he is very polished and Mcclain is a stud. I would be very happy with either two of these guys, but not Davis/Campbell

by csc06258 on Mar 5, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Project?

Curious why you consider Davis a project? And Bulaga polished? There both coming outa college so were did Bulaga get more polish? I thought Davis was a stud OT. Everybody’s scared of Davis because of Williams fiasco and I think that’s unfair. Hell Bulaga barely has the wingspan necessary to play LT. Why isn’t that a issue?

by buffalobacker on Mar 5, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

David is a project...

he also has a higher ceiling than Bulaga, but Bulaga is ready to play now, hence the "more-polished: player. BTW, Bulaga learned it in college from his coaches, and maybe mentors. Davis obviously didn’t learn the same lessons. Just becuase they are both rookies does not mean that they are at the same level…Bulaga is far-more ready to play now.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

O.K.

I’m surprised that Bulaga is considered “ready to play” and Davis is a project. Everything I read leads me to believe either one is a projected starter!!!

by buffalobacker on Mar 5, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Davis is a project that may never get completed. There are BIG questions concerning his work ethic and motivation. Among other things his performance at the combine was very disappointing, apparently because he wasn’t in the best of shape. If there was ever a red flag, that’s it.

by Macktruck on Mar 5, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’ve heard that knock on him.

by buffalobacker on Mar 5, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This is just my opinion, so it doesn mean anything

Davis = More potential to be a Pro Bowler every year, less likely to a consistent NFL T.

Bulaga = More likely to start entire career, less likely to be a HOFer.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Norcal

No worries,I ‘ve seen your opinions and and I don’t find them “meaningless”.

by buffalobacker on Mar 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a good statement and probably true, thats why i might just go with Rolando Mcclain at 9 because he = Patrick Willis and thats good… its tough tho b/c we really need tackles.

by csc06258 on Mar 5, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I tend to think the same thing about the Tackle situation...

Regarding McClain, I too once thought he was Willis Part Duex, but that isn’t fair to McClain, he is a different player and deserves a chance to carve his own name out there.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont understand what Williams has to do with Davis??? please explain if you have a reason. Everyone is scared of Davis because he doesn’t have good work ethics and doesn’t show a passion for the game. Bulaga is a hard nose guy that gives 100% on every play, exactaly how Eric wood is. Wood will go down field 10 yard and crush a guy just for the sake of doing it until he heres the whistle, thats the kind of guy you want. and IF you read my post you would understand that bulaga has the same wingspan is Jake Long who I believe is playing LT for the Dolphins and made it to the pro bowl a couple times.

by csc06258 on Mar 5, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Williams vs Davis?

I must be high! I can’t figure out who or what your referring to.!!

by buffalobacker on Mar 5, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass the Dutchie on the left hand side...

He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named-Who-Played-At-Texas vs Anthony Davis

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhh

Got it! but that’s noy what csc was talkin about. oh well I’ll live not knowing.

by buffalobacker on Mar 5, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i am totally lost? Were you talking about mike williams, because i dont see the correlation between him and anthony davis?

by csc06258 on Mar 5, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Clearly he who shall not be named

Is either Lord Voldemort,or Brian Orapko.

by mob16151 on Mar 5, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

haha this part of the conversation is funny to read the next day…

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by bflo on Mar 6, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

O orakpo yea he is the guy i said was a stud and Maybin is a joke when we drafted Maybin. I got chewed out for that then but now it seems like i was right. at least we are playing a 3-4 so maybe he can do something but i still doubt it.

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And it begins again…

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by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 6, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

and thats exactly

why i am NOT saying what you are saying. I would happily select Davis or Campbell. At like, 15, having picked up a 4th. i am saying that it seems like unless we go DT or LB, there is a high probability that our #9 could be a large investment in failure, which we have done over and over. wouldn’t you rather end up with the next Cushing or Willis or outstanding pro bowl caliber LB our roster has lacked since Bryce Paup? (sorry Poz, i know that you may disagree, but #51 has the size and potential but until he stops trying to make arm tackles in the NFL, he will not go to a Pro Bowl.)

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

IIf I had a choice I’d pick BPA. We have plenty of needs. Just questioning peoples rankings of OT

by buffalobacker on Mar 5, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea Mcclain at 9 would be a good pick…i said that??? im confused.

by csc06258 on Mar 5, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

now is not the time to set yourselves further behind on a project player at 9.

someone should have sent that memo to DJ last year with the Maybin pick…..

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

point is

any of these LTs mentioned could be potentially “project” players who may cause a setback. i am not saying LT is the biggest need. Most others are. In a multi year rebuild, the biggest need is talent. so we need to take the best guy, and if that guy is not a fit, we should attempt to move to a spot where “our” guy is.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

point is

We need a talented starter with our first pick, cuz that boy’s gonna be gettin paid. and needs to produce.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

actually one could argue that since we are going to win maybe 5 games this year that this is the perfect year to take a player htat you need to develop.

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

agree considering the fact

that in the first year you should still gain improvement from the early draft picks to see what you have in other players as well. counter productive to take a whole team of guys where you don’t know what you got or who will work out or if its the supporting cast or ……….. you get the point. who is to say Trentative couldn’t have been successful with a line. but if you take project players and hope in 3 years they work out, how many others are they going to hinder on their way to maybe not reaching their potential?

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

how many others are they going to hinder on their way to maybe not reaching their potential?

well if it’s like Maybin then zero because he never saw the field – hahaha

it really depends on the position – I don’t think there’s is a position that i’d worry about that being the case except for QB. You could argue LT but the bills don’t have a QB so we really don’t need to protect one.

this year for me it’s BPA – regardless of position. too many holes to say one has a priority over the other. Only QB has a priority over the other positions. Other than that, we need 2 tackles, a guard, a WR, 2 LBs, NT, DE – with so many needs – it’s BPA

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

BPA

is my point entirely. and if a guy doesn’t guaranteed translate at the next level, he cannot be the BPA.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

is my point entirely. and if a guy doesn’t guaranteed translate at the next level, he cannot be the BPA.

well if that was the case then the scouts wouldn’t (or shouldn’t) have him labeled as the BPA.

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

so IYO

is Bulaga or Davis or Campbell the BPA at #9?

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

hwo would I knwo? i’ve never seen any of them play

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

check the game film

IMO i take none of the above. i would take williams. he played well with the sooners and they play real competition. and ultimately that is the point. players that are challenged get better.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

check the game film

I thought you would say “Check the combine numbers”…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

he is the one who hasn't seen them play

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t watch college so ya i’m definately at a disadvantage.

but I don’t like watching clips of players because they can be edited and good plays or bad plays thrown out.

only way I can truley make a judgement on a guy is if i’ve seen him play at least a few games.

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

and then some hopefully.

which is why it is convenient to know that Davis arms are shorter. that he isn’t as athletic. that he may not interview well. or that campbell has little experience, or is too small…. these are things ethat you won’t learn on game film especially when playing inferior opponents

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i never said that you can’t gain some things from the combine.

I said – and I quote….

Combine isn’t going to make or break a lot of these guys anymore – I think game film means so much more than it did even 2 years ago

yes you can definatley gain information – but the combine isn’t a make or break deal. you’re not going to fall from the 1st to the 3rd because your arms are only 33 inches.

game film means a lot

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, I was kidding…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

its cool

 and i do take stock in game film, and the combine, and competition level, and off field issues and overall size and ability and knowledge and experience and Da ta da ta da…. and that is my point. you can’t just say the combine is what it is. it was created for the scouts and coaches to have a centrally located medical exam, drills, and interview session that allows you to diagnose as many as possible because there are too many schools to go to . there will still be THOUSANDS of kids that go without even so much as a look at the combine, or a pro day, or a team workout, and can still end up on an NFL squad.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The combine gained importance a few years ago, when the 3-4 became popular again. It allowed the coaches to have tweeners join different groups and run drills at the new position of choice. After a few teams were burned (or afraid to be burned) by the Vernon Gholstens of the combine, teams have realized that game film is better at predicting the players that will transition to a new position better than the combine drills which is why, IMO, that the combine is losing importance to scouts with regards to draft position.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

based on combine

campbell will likely move up. what i saw was him getting beat on the edge often, as he is undersized, has a slow initial step and doesn’t play with leverage. so i guess as i have said before, it is additional information of which you can never get enough of, and thus valid.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

and yeah i know his 40 time. but last i knew LT don't catch many passes

and 40 time isn’t footwork. it is straight line speed

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m just going to let Nix take care of it. I certainly cannot make judgments as well as those guys can.

they’ve been scouting guys for years – know what types of guys they want for certain positions and seem to do a heck of a job at it.

Levitre was graded as their highest guard last year and he was a tackle in college.

i can’t pretend to have an opinion on something like that – i’m just hoping they take BPA on their boards because we need great players pretty much every where

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 5, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

There are simply no guarantees of anything…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If a good QB is available at #9 I would take him. QB is a much more valuable player than a LT. Our problem last year was that for half the year we did not have anybody. Everyone was injured. Our problem for the last 13 years is that we have had mediocre or bad quarterbacking.

If it takes a year or two to develop a QB we will have next year to draft a top ten OT. If a good line and a mediocre QB (Edwards/Fitz) can get us to 8-8 then next year we are in the middle of the pack with no shot at a top QB. So what I am saying is if you are rebuilding it might actually be good to pick project players now. Picking an LT this year we’ll have a 15th pick next year. Picking a QB this year we’ll have another #9 next year.

(all based on a lot of assumptions… truly I am glad someone who knows what they are doing is running the team.)

by Bill Frank on Mar 5, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say a QB is “much more valuable” than a LT, I would call them about equal. they need eachother.

by csc06258 on Mar 5, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Arthur Jones

I’ve read a couple reports where he’s a 4-3 DT or 5 technique. I think he’s got some NT potential. I watched him a couple times, and his lower body power and size are NT cailbur. And he worked well defeating double teams.

jones could be a good 4-3 NT or even a 3 technique, but he’s worth a look for our NT spot as well.

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by Der Jaeger on Mar 5, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

I totally agree. I know Dan from Mocking the draft has mentioned that Jones fits the NT profile.

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by kaisertown on Mar 5, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Dan and I have talked about him specifically along the same lines

Not that I’m looking at men’s rears, but Jones’ rear end and legs fit the term “bubble butt” well. I think he’s be a great anchor in the middle.

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by Der Jaeger on Mar 5, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that I’m looking at men’s rears, but Jones’ rear end and legs fit the term "bubble butt" well.

“Whoa, look at the butt on that one.”

“Yeah he must work out.”

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

How about

Just call the guy a fat ass.

by buffalobacker on Mar 5, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice write-up

I have my eye on Donald Butler as well. He was an ILB in college, but is fast enough to play OLB as well. My impression is that he is a second round talent who has not been getting the press he deserves and could well be available in round three or four.

On Bulaga, you are exactly right. His arm length is borderline and, above all, his feet are borderline, especially in terms of lateral movement. The guy is very technically proficient coming out of college and looks like he will be ready to start right away, but can he develop into a first-rate NFL LT? If you take an OT at #9 he better be able to do that. It’s not smart to use that high a draft pick on someone who is going to end up at RT. Campbell, Davis and Trent Williams are even bigger risks. That’s why I think the Bills should trade down to get another second-rounder and then draft someone like Rodger Saffold or Charles Brown at OT. In the long run I suspect both will perform better than Bulaga.

And you are exactly right about Gronkowski. Never mind the fact that he is a local product — he looks to be sensational and will make a huge difference for the offense of whatever team is lucky enough to get him. If his back checks out with the docs I would love to see the Bills take him in the first round and then Saffold in the second. It would be an incredible upgrade to an offense that badly needs help.

by Macktruck on Mar 5, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

Sorry, but I am really getting sick of hearing that
On Bulaga, you are exactly right. His arm length is borderline

Jason Peter’s arms are 1/8 inch shorter and Micheal Oher’s arms are 1/4 inch longer.

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by Joe P. on Mar 5, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is, Peters and Oher are MUCH more athletic than Bulaga is; they’ve got the feet to recover from their lack of reach.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 5, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not arguing with that assessment...

but do you really think that arm-length should be that great of a concern?…we have four years of film on the guy and then all of a sudden the guy cant play T because he has 33" in arms? An arbitrary number at best. I dont see a correlation between arm length (unless he has TRex arms) and success at T in the NFL.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, no one is saying that 33 is a magic number or anything. Longer arms just help you block better; defenders have a more difficult time getting into you, and if they beat you on the edge, a long arm can lengthen a defender’s route to the QB.

It’s not an end-all thing, but it’s very important that the arms aren’t too short. If the arms are short, the player needs to be a superb athlete, like Jason Peters is, to make up for defenders beating them on the first move.

I’m not saying Bulaga won’t be a good NFL tackle. I think he’ll play in this league for a looooooooooooooooooong time. I just question whether he’ll spend most of that time on the left side.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 5, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, so it seems that you just opposed to taking a RT at #9 then…I dont have a problem with though.

I think he’ll play in this league for a looooooooooooooooooong time.

Can you say the same for Davis, Campbell or Williams? If not, then what is the issue?

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL. I never said I had an issue!!!

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 5, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

: )

Well, you did respond contrarily to a post that said that arm length isnt that big of a deal…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I did. But like I said, short arms don’t necessarily doom a player. I promise you, legitimate, professional scouts are questioning whether or not Bulaga can play the left side, and agonizing over it because they love the kid.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 5, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

short arms

can mean added strength and with a quick first step, and knowledge of leverage, he could be great. but his first step is iffy at best, so many don’t know that it is worth such an early pick to find out you have a RT

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a question of value here then...

I feel like we are debating health care. : )

Everyone here agrees that Bulaga is a possibly good LT and most likely a great RT.

Is that so bad? Is it not a good use of the #9 overall pick to get a guy who can possibly be the answer at LT, and if not, would definitely start at RT?

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Putting it that way Bulaga sounds reasonable, but with the draft it is always a case of “compared to what”? If you can get someone else who is a much safer bet at LT you should probably go with him, or a player at another position of need that promises to be a real star and worthy of a #9 pick. As Brian has said, Bulaga is a sure thing in the sense that he will have a long and productive NFL career, but is he a sure thing to produce at the level you would hope for for someone taken so high up in the draft and given a very lucrative rookie salary? That’s the issue that’s open to debate.

by Macktruck on Mar 5, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying Bulaga won’t be a good NFL tackle. I think he’ll play in this league for a looooooooooooooooooong time. I just question whether he’ll spend most of that time on the left side.

But you can honestly say the same thing about Williams,and Davis though can’t you?

by mob16151 on Mar 5, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

(unless he has TRex arms)

You leave Kyle Williams out of this : )

by mob16151 on Mar 5, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you base that on?
he difference is, Peters and Oher are MUCH more athletic than Bulaga is; they’ve got the feet to recover from their lack of reach.

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by Joe P. on Mar 5, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I dont think Oher is all that athletic...

Now Peters though, he looked like a 350lb Tight End with Sammy Davis Jr/Fred Astaire-type quick feet.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Danced his way into contract with Eagles really well.

by buffalobacker on Mar 5, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

As Kaiser points out, the issue with Bulaga is that he has the minimum arm length for a LT combined with borderline foot agility. It’s the lateral movement that mainly concerns me, but the arm length does add to it. I’m not saying that he would necessarily be a bad choice — only that he presents more of a risk than a lot of people think, and that other options might be better at a lower “price.”

by Macktruck on Mar 5, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

talk about the footwork all you want, I think it is way overblown, but at least it has some merit.

The arm length issue is not an issue. How long were Walkers arms? Didn’t help him much. And good luck with Campbell, who will most likely be the first LT on IR this season, and Davis who doesn’t have the mean streak that so many seemed to love about Richie Dbag. My guess is Davis gets fatter than Peters did and will turn into a slug. I love the Bulaga doesn’t have as much upside argument. That is because he is already NFL ready, unlike all other LTs not named Okung. Bulaga is big, mean, and durable. He struggled with a short, quick DE in Grahm and all the sudden he is too slow? What a joke! Peters never got beat off the edge, did he.

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by Joe P. on Mar 5, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A think a good rule of thumb about the combine is that players shouldn’t move up with a good performance (ie workout warriors), but a bad performance can certainly move you down.

I feel like I’ve seen Joe Haden picked ahead of #9 in every mock I’ve seen (not that I’m looking at tons), but I would think that’s a situation where he might drop below that. The Bills need all the DBs that might go in their area to go ahead of their pick.

by Pistol on Mar 5, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

So true
A think a good rule of thumb about the combine is that players shouldn’t move up with a good performance (ie workout warriors), but a bad performance can certainly move you down.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

we need talent

at all positions and phases. DB may be our best depth. why would we burn a 1st in two of three years? we have no other holes to fill in our newly decided 3-4? only every single position except maybe safety. maybe. i think DB may be a focus in late rounds at best.

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by Ren Diggity on Mar 5, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think anyone is advocating us taking a DB though…you seem to want to argue today Ren…I will be your Stimpy

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Everyone complains about Whitner because even though he’s a pretty solid player he was not worth a number 9 pick. After Okung the other tackles seem solid but not worth a 9 unless you are filling a need.

The greater need is QB.

by Bill Frank on Mar 5, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree 100%

Now if only there were any QBs worth taking…because there sure aren’t any this year.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 5, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

See, that’s where my theory falls apart. I don’t really know if Clausen is any good. A lot of people have him going at #6 to Seattle. But then Aaron Rogers fell all the way to Green Bay a couple of years ago and he turned out to be pretty good.

by Bill Frank on Mar 5, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft Thoughts

After Okung, the best OT available is Trent Williams. No Question. Campbell and Davis display great athleticism, but so did Gholston last year. Looking at the tape, the choices are Okung, Williams then Buluga. Everyone has Seattle taking Claussen, but they may likely to go OT (Walter Jones is gone) as is Washington and KC. Buffalo may miss out. The only upside of that is Claussen may fall.

I think Whitner and Lynch may be trade bait. Buffalo may need to move up or drop back. Buluga is OK, and it may be the default option, but he is questionable value at number 9 IMHO.

Buffalo’s FA (and trade) activity is designed to allow them to take a WR as early as possible.

by rdusa on Mar 6, 2010 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

Donald Butler

As a west coaster who has seen a couple games, I’d put the same value on Butler as was put on Byrd last year. He owns the middle of the field and makes plays everywhere. He’s been tucked away in the NW on a poor team, but he is for real.

by rdusa on Mar 6, 2010 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

Not hearing great things about Anthony Davis at the combine, especially in the interviews.

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