Free agent visitor Wade Smith was to address the media at noon Saturday, but meetings with the coaching staff and front office ran long.
Smith ran out of time before he had to catch a flight to Houston so he did not comment to us or reporters.
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thanx for stopin by
just like last year alot of visitors and few takers
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
sounds like a "thanks but no thanks"
not a good sign, leaving without a contract :-/
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Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhhgBQoZpvM&NR=1
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Buddy is sleeping on the job. He’d better wake up and sign some guys or else this team will make it virtually impossible to add enough depth in the draft to be any more than 5-11 and Buddy can’t afford such a record. The fans won’t buy the product nor should they, when we’re passive in FA or rather too cheap to spend some serious money on quality players. We’ll likely end up signing Wade Smith, Kelley Washington and Charlie Whitehurst and they’ll try to make it out to be a tremendously productive free agency period for us.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST reply actions
what? really?
Buddy is sleeping on the job. He’d better wake up and sign some guys or else this team will make it virtually impossible to add enough depth in the draft to be any more than 5-11 and Buddy can’t afford such a record.
Buddy gets one year and one year only to completely retool this franchise? He has to go out and sign a bunch of big name players to to make a splash or something? If the Bills go less then 5-11 he gets canned?
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
not that its really Buddy Nix's fault or anything......
but after 10 years of bologna sammiches……….some people are craving something a little more classier………..like I dont know…….roastbeef……or perhaps some bbq pulled pork…..
Can you really blame them?
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 6, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
True enough. It makes very little sense, they should be patient, but I get the point.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
well Im not really the one to be championing the "patience" card.......
but its hard when from the looks of things……not much has changed except for names….you know….FA come in and leave and go sign somewhere else…..much like in the past.
I think thats what some people have an issue with.
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 6, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
So
It’s the Bill’s fault that they prefer to play somewhere else? Not sure if your expectations are a little high.
by buffalobacker on Mar 6, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
im sorry........
i have no idea what you are saying here.
Please clarify
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 6, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm Saying
The Bill’s can’t hold a gun to prospective players and force them to sign. And I don’t think the Bill’s are gonna throw $$$ around.
by buffalobacker on Mar 6, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think thats the issue...
Most FA’s choose where they sign based on money or the opportunity to win a championship, which one are they going to come to Buffalo for?
I don’t know if anyone realistically expected the Bills to sign the biggest names out there but I thought the plan was to use FA for depth purposes and that hasn’t happened either.
I think it’s justified for there to be some questions from the fans.
its all good.
True
But it aint over yet (FA). Gotta at least wait till after draft before we get antsy.
by buffalobacker on Mar 6, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
oh I know that.....
but dont you think it says something about the organizations that players simply dont want to play here?
It says a lot to me.
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I just thought that was already a established fact. Buffalo hasn’t been a desired destination for some time. Hence a new organization, somewhat…
by buffalobacker on Mar 7, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
It does make sense eric,
you didnt copy this part from denmark
The fans won’t buy the product nor should they, when we’re passive in FA or rather too cheap to spend some serious money on quality players. We’ll likely end up signing Wade Smith, Kelley Washington and Charlie Whitehurst and they’ll try to make it out to be a tremendously productive free agency period for us.
he never said that he gets the axe after one year or even calling for his head in that statement. What he is saying is he is fed up with the same crap every year. And frankly so am I. WE as sports fans, BILLS fans for that matter, deserve better. At last a change in a positive way. Hell, he switches a whole d scheme and has yet to plug a hole with some quality, yet expensive players that have already signed.
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But the Bills have guys at ILB and DE already on their roster. Who were they supposed to sign to plug the holes?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t exactly what I had in mind when I wrote it, but I can understand why you interpret it that way. I simply mean that Buddy can’t afford to sit back and just be passive and hope that somehow we’ll become a great team. He needs to be active and aggresively pursuing potential players that can improve this team and so far he hasn’t done that. I’ll gladly eat my words if/when he signs a fair few guys that have some talent, but signing Wade Smith is – suffice to say – not going to improve this team.
If I were Buddy, I’d at least try to do something like this:
1) Contact either Jamal Williams and/or Maake Kemoeatu and try to sign either of them to a big contract, heavily front-loaded and try and get some productive seasons out of them. If that’s not possible, then try to make a trade for Shaun Rogers. A third and fifth rounder might do the trick, perhaps a bit more, but I’d be willing to pay that price, because the guy is one of the best NT’s in the game.
2) Contact the Eagles and offer next year’s first round pick for Kevin Kolb. I know a lot of you think I’m completely mental when I say this, but I really, really like what Kolb brings to the table and given the Eagles view him as their franchise QB, we’ll need to offer our first rounder for next year. The Eagles would then ride out 2010 with McNabb under center and then draft one of the top QB’s in the 2011 draft.
3) Offer Dwan Edwards a four-year, 20 million dollar deal and see if he bites. The guy is a very underrated 3-4 DE, who is stout against the run and does his job well.
4) Trade Marshawn to the Chargers for their third rounder
5) Offer Artis Hicks a four-year 20 million dollar deal
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 6, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are phone lines and internet access at OBD
How do you know or not know that they haven’t contacted anyone? Just becuase only one guys has come to WNY means nothing.
Bills fans, collectively, had NO idea that Chan Gailey was even in the running as head coach until a day prior to the announcement that he was about to become the coach. If the team can keep that under wraps, then they are quite capable of keeping their contacts with players under wraps.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
I don’t, but having been a Bills-fan for all my life has taught me to forget common sense while discussing what the Bills will do. They usually do what nobody expects them to do and perhaps that’s the way they like. All I know is they’ve had very little success. I get that we’re building through the draft but everybody knows we have a ton of needs and not all of them can be addressed in the draft; in other words we’ll need to address some of them in FA, in particular depth and hopefully acquire one or ideally two starters.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 6, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Measure of Effectiveness
but having been a Bills-fan for all my life has taught me to forget common sense while discussing what the Bills will do.
We’ve probably all been Bills fans all our lives. The Bills drafts and free agency period have brought in some good players and some not so good. Other than coaching hires and a couple picks, what wasn’t common sense at the time? McCargo, Dockery, Lynch, Mike Williams, Evans, and Losman all made sense at the time of the draft or free agency.
There’s no possible way you can defend you position. Unless you’re willing to research and talking about picks and signings over the past ten years than made no sense in comparison with those that did, at the time the pick/signing was made, then you’re argument isn’t solid.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Actually, I have every bloody reason to think the way I think about the Bills and it’s a bloody fact that the Bills way too often as a team and as an organisation have forgotten all about common sense. Here are a couple of examples from the last few years:
1) Hiring an 80-year-old Marv Levy to be the new GM, when he had never been involved in drafting; that was Bill Polian’s job solely.
2) Drafting with the eighth overall pick a late first round pick in Donte Whitner, when a possible franchise QB in Matt Leinart or a Pro Bowl-NT, Haloti Ngata, was on the board at the time.
3) Drafting John McCargo in the first round, when everybody had him rated as no more than a mid-to-late second or third rounder. We completely forget about value and ONLY focused on need – draft mistake 101.
4) Making an average starting guard (Dockery) one of the highest paid O-linemen in the history of the game.
5) Believing that huge, lazy slob Langston Walker could be a viable LT-option and drafting Maybin over Orakpo, when Orakpo was higher rated on most people’s board and when he was clearly the more productive and NFL-ready player (and why I mention this is because we all knew before last year’s draft that this was the make-or-break season for the Jauron-regime; in other words they needed to draft guys that could come in and provide instant impact. Orakpo was one of the most NFL-ready players in the draft, while Maybin had just turned 21 and was still very raw).
6) Hiring Buddy Nix as GM because, as Ralph so “shrewdly” put it: “Russ and I scanned a list of possible candidates. We didn’t know them. I didn’t know them. I don’t think Russ did. We narrowed it down to two candidates for the job of general manager of football, two in-house candidates.”
That last quote tells you all you need to know about the Bills and why I think they’ve had a propensity to forget all about common sense when making decisions.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 6, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Don't understand the hate for Walker.
He was, and still could have been for us, a very solid RT. Keep in mind Lynch was averaging much better runs behind Butler-Walker than Peters-Dockery.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 6, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but nobody in their right mind would think he could be a good LT. He simply wasn’t athletic enough for that.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 6, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
not going to disagree with this statement.
but he didn’t exactly asked to be moved either.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 6, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
should have included this...
Walker was overpaid, but that wasn’t his fault.
Despite being overpaid, he didn’t play poorly at his natural position.
Dickie J’s biggest mistake last year was cutting Walker altogether. He would have been great depth at RT (or a good starter if we kept Bulter at RG and had Wood at C with Hang as solid depth). I’m not saying DJ should have foreseen the rash of injuries, but giving up quality depth is just a no-no, even if you have 5 probowlers on your line that haven’t been injured in the last 5 years (obviously the last part was hypothetical).
Tak. Hejhej og vi ses.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 6, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Everything you are saying is in retrospect or in the future
When the Bills hired Levy, it was considered a great move, the same way the Parcells hire was considered a great move. So this didn’t violate common sense.
McCargo was not considered a 2-3 round prospect. He was, by most serious sources, considered a fringe first rounder. So trading to get him made sense.
Signing Dockery and Walker made a ton of sense because Levy addressed an OL that Tom Donahoe failed to adequately address for years.
Whitner didn’t make sense at the time. The contract size for both Dockery and Walker made no sense, but seemed OK if we wanted a decent OL.
You can’t grade the Nix hiring yet. Purely your negative attitude.
If that’s you’re case for Buffalo not making any common sense moves, consider more than half the teams in the leaque as teams that don’t make any common sense moves.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
I disagree with you on most of your points, in particular on John McCargo. All of the big scouting websites (nfldraftscout, nfldraftcountdown, scouts inc.) had him rated as a mid-to-late second rounder. He was a big reach.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 6, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Kiper and Nowrocki thought he was a fringe first rounder.
Nowrocki is the most accurate predictor of the first round, and Kiper is Kiper. I’d take their opinion over the three sites you listed. Not bad sites, but not as good as Nawrocki and Kiper.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Even so the next DT taken was in the third round. If the Bills thought he was head and shoulders above those guys they needed to get him at some point and didn’t have many options after that.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Still a big-time mistake to let need completely dominate value. McCargo had a mid-to-late second round grade on him and we decided to reach hugely and grab him in the first. I get that we really needed a DT at the time, but still it’s a huge mistake to completely forget about value, especially when we had a lot of other needs and thereby might as well just take the best football player on the board.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 7, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
value is subjective to those who have the need.............
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
You’re both making good points and I’m not arguing. The Bills were aggressive in trying to fill a need they felt would help them get to the next level. People complain when they’re passive like now and when they’re aggressive like then. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
well when you rush into a stupid plan.......
it looks bad…….
and when you sit back and let something good slip through your hand……….
it looks bad…….
But we’re all guilty of being irrational fanatics at times……if running an NFL team was as easy as we think it should be……..then we wouldnt be here complaining all the time.
:-)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
You’re absolutely right and at the end of the day what matters is what we accomplish on Sunday :)
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 7, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
When the Bills hired Levy, it was considered a great move, the same way the Parcells hire was considered a great move.
Totally disagree. I know many people were not happy with the Levy hire. Many wanted an experienced hire and questioned the personnel ability of an 80 year old with no experience at it….
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by Kurupt on Mar 7, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d – I totally agree
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Mar 7, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Kind of like double secret probation??????
I imagine the interview going something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-Dqj4fHmM&feature=related
And then after the interview, the Bills FO gets together to plan their next move
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5zsLfgwBTg&feature=related
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Draft
Nix already said they wouldn’t be pursuing alot of FA. Looks like draft will be are source for improvement. As I feel it should be. I don’t doubt they’ve tried to sign FA ‘s. But we can’t make em play for us if they don’t want to.!!
by buffalobacker on Mar 6, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
BFFD...couldn't agre more
I am all for patience and finding the right ‘fits’ for our team. But that being said, we have huge holes for starters and for depth. Why on earth would we not be aggressively pursuing guys like D Edwards, Hicks, J Williams, Kemoatu? These guys fill great needs for us and all could be had for reasonable contracts. Edwards and Hicks could be productive for the next 4-5 years too. IMHO, those are exactly the guys we should be pursuing very aggressively. Even if we have to overpay A LITTLE, we should be willing to do that.
Well
FA aint over yet. What makes you think their not pursuing players? Could be holding $$$ for draft picks, hell I don’t know. But time will tell..
by buffalobacker on Mar 6, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm
Or he could be weighing his options. Would seem like the best course of action, if I were him. He does have more than Buffalo seeking his services…
by buffalobacker on Mar 6, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Players that leave an interview without signing rarely if ever sign with that team.
If he were to sign with the Bills now odds are is because every other team that had interest decided they don’t.
move along ppl.........
nothing to see here.
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 6, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions
this is terrible
for the sake of production get to work on bringing in some quality guys….you can’t even get an average player like wade smith to commit??
Rrrawrrrr, rrrawrrr like a dungeon dragon-Busta Ryhmes
Smith ran out of time before he had to catch a flight to Houston so he did not comment to us or reporters.
AKA, GET ME THE HELL OUT OF THIS TOWN!!!! ;-)
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 6, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions
Why do I feel dirty?????
maybe because we have just been used.
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List of things to do today....
Complain about Wade Smith visit…Check!!!
Post often using “scrub” ………………..Check!!!
Cry about Dansby, Boldin, etc………Check!!!
Complain about not signing Smith…. Check!!!
Tell JoeP to go shower………………………Check!!!
by Cinga on Mar 6, 2010 3:27 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
LMAO Love it! Rec’d
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 6, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!!!!! But I usually have to feel much dirtier before I shower ;-)
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Rec'd. One more item.
Begging the Bills to tender Incognito………….check
by Long Beach Bills Fan on Mar 6, 2010 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why? I mean yes he had talent, but his personal issues outweighed them.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 6, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
And before you even think of mentioning TO, his talent outweighed his personal issues.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 6, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
TO or Cogs?
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 6, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Agreedon TO, he was actually pretty stand up guy when he was here. Cogns on the other hand was a penalty machine. His personal dicipline problems cost us a lot of yards.
The more I see, the less I know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 6, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Buffalo fans are so hungry for a signing, if they really want Wade Smith so bad
If you give a starving man a cracker, it will be the best cracker he ever had.
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thnx
hes actually not a bad player, versatile, good run blocker
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by Joe Goodberry on Mar 6, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Pashos and Hicks
BOTH to the Skins….lovely just lovely!!!
"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
enter the twilight zone...
Skins fan: Dockery and Walker. BOTH to the Bills….lovely just lovely!!!
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 6, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
NOT SO FAST . .
Per PFT, Pashos left w/o a contract.
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Either OBD is:
just simply keeping things under wraps, or they are WAY off base by not at least attempting to bolster our much needed depth at too many posisions at a minimun. I don’t know & I seriously doubt anyone here w/o inside knowledge does either.
I HATE saying “be patient – it’s still early yet”, but it is – what it is right now… We just don’t know yet.
Lets give ‘em the benefit of the doubt for the time being . . . . WE DID ask for ’change’ and a FOOTBALL guy to run the organization – right?
That being said, I really hope they have some plans for some depth, knowing they have already stated that they aren’t going for the ’BIG splash". This year!!!!!!!!
STILL WATING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 6, 2010 11:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
REMAIN CALM......ALL IS WELL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro
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Sure....but you might want to keep your pants on ;-)
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