What Bills fans can learn from the Miami Dolphins
The NFL's free agent signing period is only barely into its third day, but considering the way some fans are reacting, the Buffalo Bills are already in June, didn't sign anyone in free agency and passed on all their draft picks. It's hard to watch other teams sign all the big names while your team is relatively inactive. As many teams have shown, however, making giant splashes in free agency isn't the way to rebuild a football team.
For comparison, let's look at the 2008 free agent off-season in which Bill Parcells transformed the 1-15 Dolphins into AFC East Champions. A couple up-front notes: first, Parcells' job was as hard or harder than Buddy Nix's job. When Parcells opened the cupboard to check for proven talent, he had Joey Porter, Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Vernon Carey, Samson Satele, Vonnie Holliday, Channing Crowder, Will Allen, and Yeremiah Bell. Greg Camarillo, Ted Ginn and Jason Allen were promising, but yet to be proven.
By comparison, Buffalo has Lee Evans, Andy Levitre, Eric Wood, Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson, Aaron Schobel, Kyle Williams, Marcus Stroud, Paul Posluszny, Kawika Mitchell, Jairus Byrd, Donte Whitner and Terrence McGee; James Hardy, Demetrius Bell, Shawn Nelson, Aaron Maybin and Leodis McKelvin are promising but unproven.
Second, Parcells interviewed/contacted Leslie Frazier, Rex Ryan, Romeo Crennel, Tony Sparano, Todd Bowles, Maurice Carthon, Todd Haley and Gregg Williams about the head coaching job. Sparano wasn't exactly the popular choice with the sports world, but he became the Dolphins' head coach. (Bowles also joined the Dolphins as an assistant.)
Jeff Ireland was hired as the General Manager. Ireland had previously been a scout with the Dallas Cowboys and Kansas City Chiefs.
The Dolphins transformed from a hybrid defense that featured predominantly 4-3 looks, to a full-time 3-4 defense.
The 2008 free agent class was much deeper and younger (excluding players that had the franchise tag): Derek Anderson (coming off a great season with Cleveland), Michael Turner, Tony Richardson, Bernard Berrian, Bryant Johnson, Devery Henderson, Alan Faneca, Flozell Adams, Travelle Wharton, Max Starks, Jared Allen, Albert Haynesworth, Kawika Mitchell, Brandon Chillar, Asante Samuel, and Drayton Florence. For the full list: 2008 Free Agents
Parcells released, waived or cut over twenty players prior to the draft, including Zach Thomas, Trent Green, Marty Booker and L.J. Shelton.
Parcells signed QB Matt Baker, OT Trey Darilek, LB Junior Glymph, CB Joey Thomas, WR David Kircus, TE Sean Ryan, WR Ernest Wilford, LB Charlie Anderson, QB Josh McCown, OG Justin Smiley, DT Randy Starks, LB Reggie Torbor, FB Boomer Grigsby, S Keith Davis, K Dave Rayner, CB Nathan Jones, WR Tab Perry, S Chris Crocker, S Will Billingsly, and G Steve McKinney.
Grigsby, Wilford, Smiley, Ryan, Starks, Anderson, Torbor, Crocker, and Jones made the final roster. Anderson and Smiley were the only starters, and are still starters. Torbor and Starks remain with the team as reserves. Wilford was a bust.
Parcells traded away Jason Taylor.
Parcells traded for Akin Ayodele, Anthony Fasano, and Jason Feguson. All made the final roster and started. Only Fasano is still a starter.
Chad Pennington was added after the draft.
In Summary
Free agency added two long-term starters and two depth players for the Dolphins.
Trades added three starters.
While we aren't focusing on the draft, the Dolphins added three starters in the 2008 draft (Jake Long, Kendall Lankford, and Phillip Merling).
The Dolphins added Pennington after the draft.
Conclusions
Parcells didn't leverage free agency for big names. Smiley, Anderson, Torbor, and Starks were all signed a couple days into free agency, not at opening day.
Parcells used trades to fill key needs at NT, TE, and Mike ILB. All three players were acquired from Parcells' former team, Dallas.
Clearly, Miami's rise had little to do with free agency. The four free agent players that contributed to the 2008 Dolphins were not headliners. They were need fill free agents at market value (sound familiar?). Miami got more starters out of trades (3) and the draft (3) than free agency (2).
What this means for Buffalo
Just because media outlets haven't reported much activity doesn't mean the team hasn't been busy. Remember, the Chan Gailey hiring was a surprise; the team has shown it's good at keeping intentions and future activity under wraps.
As Brian, other media personnel, and Buddy Nix himself said, Buffalo would build through the draft, not free agency. We, the collective Bills fans, should not be shocked or dismayed at the current level at activity. Free agency isn't the way to re-build, and patience is probably the best virtue to have for a fan during this off-season. Miami is a perfect example to learn from.
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I commend the effort, Der Jaeger, but if a fan wants to mope, they’ll mope. That’s a hard truth to swallow, and I’ve given up fighting the good fight of rationality.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 7, 2010 9:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's well beyond moping, Brian
People are caterwauling because the Bills let Wade Smith (who???) leave town without a contract. We’re not exactly talking about a Pro Bowl offensive caliber lineman, but rather someone who might provide some depth.
The number of available free agents was cut down considerably by the rules of the uncapped year. The quality of the available players seems to me to be below capped year standards. Take a look at some of the bigger names:
Karlos Dansby: he flat out said he wanted to go to Miami and he did…and I don’t think he meant that he wanted to go to Miami once or twice a year as part of the opposing team
Chester Taylor: RB isn’t a pressing need for Buffalo
Julius Peppers: Everyone questions his work ethic and he’s viewed as a potential GM killer
Daunta Robinson, Antrel Rolle: DB isn’t a pressing need for Buffalo
Kyle Vanden Bosch: He was a non-factor without Albert Haynesworth
The only guy who was readily available that we might question CHIX for not pursuing (assuming they didn’t make an offer) was Anquan Bouldin. Buffalo could have signed him to a 4-5 year contract and likely could have beaten out the Ravens for him simply due to the difference in draft position. Even Bouldin wouldn’t have been a slam dunk signing, given his generally surly attitude in Arizona for the past several seasons.
So, while we might not care for CHIX’s seeming inactivity, really, who is out there?
Jamal Williams was released by San Diego and his name hasn’t been associated with any team that I recall hearing. With Jason Furgeson being suspended for half of the year in Miami, the Dolphins and Bills might be vying for his services….unless they know more about Williams’ injury than anyone is letting on. Assuming that Jamal Williams is healthy, we can hope that CHIX is working on getting him to Buffalo.
Larry Foote is another name popular among Bills fans. He’s been cut twice in two years, once by the Steelers (a 3-4 team) and once by the Lions (a 4-3 team). Could it be that CHIX has looked at him on tape and not been too impressed?
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Mar 7, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
We’re not exactly talking about a Pro Bowl offensive caliber lineman, but rather someone who might provide some depth.
We could really use some OL depth.
Smith
We aren’t complaining that Smith left because of the football player he is or will be, the complaint is that Cogs was not signed because Smith was a better option for the team. So they let Cogs go untendered and brought in Smith who then left without a contract. So in a sense we lost two interior OL that could have helped us for depth . To me this is a total blunder.
It’s only a blunder if CHIX thought that Incognito was worth keeping or that Smith was the best interior line option. We can infer that CHIX didn’t think all that much of Incognito. We can also infer that CHIX thought enough of Smith to at least bring him in for a look. Without Geronimo to give us the inside view we’re left to assume that CHIX and Smith had different thoughts about Smith’s value.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
They could have tendered Incognito and brought Smith in, too. One doesn’t preclude the other from happening especially since we’re not talking about that much money. They didn’t tender Incognito because they thought he was worth less than $1.7M. It has zero to do with Wade Smith.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Rec’d for, ya know, being rational.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Caterwauling...
Nice!
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I was actually in the process of writing a Fanpost titled ‘Caterwauling’ when your story appeared. It kind of made mine moot. I was thinking as I drifted off to sleep at how amazing it was to read so many posts and comments about how the Bills needed to jump on this mediocre guy or that has-been.
With that said, I will be both surprised and at least a little disappointed if Buffalo doesn’t make a play for Jamal Williams—given Nix’s connection to San Diego and Buffalo’s need for a run stufffing DT. If Buffalo doesn’t make a run at him and Williams plays (and plays well) in 2010 for someone else then I think I’d have to join the caterwauling.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
Agree
Being rationale never seemed that hard before.
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Pity the FA detail is all wrong
Dolphins signed Smiley to a 5 year 25 million deal, traded for Ferguson and signed Wilford all on the first day of FA that year. Smiley was actually the first FA signed that year – so the FA comparison from Dolphine 2008 to Bills 2010 is kind of 99 % off base one could say.
Agreed though that our timing matters little – so long as we get the right bodies at the right price.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
Details not wrong....
The details are below, but again….
Free agency began on 29 February that year. Link.
Smiley, Anderson, and Starks were day 2 signings. Wilfork was the only day one free agent. Link.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Well, I've put the ESPN link fior Smileys day 1 signing below.
Considering he was the very first guy signed in FA that year I find it amusing that you think he was not on day 1 :)
If ESPN have it wrong in their archives then you have my sincere apologies. However it did seem pretty plain when I looked at it.
I think we are talking about the WR not the NT – so I assume you don’t mean Wilfork ?
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
Wiki ?
You were going off Wiki ? OK, I’ll just ask if you could look at the ESPN archive link I put in our below chat and let me know. If mine is wrong I’ll man up and say a very big sorry to you. I’ll even apologise in CAPS :)
I am at a point now where I’m curious to see which of us is right since we’ve both seen it written on our versions.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
ZOMG WHY HAVEN"T THE BILLS SIGNED ANYONE YET????
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 9:25 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
RICHIE INCOGNITO WAS THE MISSING PIECE!!!
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by UZ on Mar 7, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
And yet the rec counter stands at zero.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Mar 7, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If I could I would rec
But I can’t. My fav part was “generic free agency comment here” classic!
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 7, 2010 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Excellent writeup
Someone should post this over at the buffalobills forums. I don’t know if any of you guys do, but I still occasionally lurk around there and it’s chaos right now!
Never gone back.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with the sentiment that you don’t necessarily win by adding the flashiest free agents. I understand the patient approach you are preaching, etc. I don’t, however, agree with comparing OBD to Bill Parcells. Bill Parcells gets the benefit of doubt because he has proven he’s a winner and knows what he’s doing. OBD has proven time and time again that they are losers and they don’t know what they are doing. Patience has not paid off for Bills fans in a decade so healthy skepticism from Bills’ supporters is more than warranted and doesn’t deserve to be chastised. As long as Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick are at the top of the depth chart at QB, our patience will continue to be fruitless no matter what approach OBD takes in this rebuilding effort. I’m hoping that Nix and company will get this right, but my experience with this team has taught me to expect nothing but failure from OBD and it’s their job to change that before fans can be mocked for being impatient.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
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Parcells used all lanes of avialablity to acquire talent and he has a proven track record so to compare the way he turn around miami to what very little Chix has done in this off season is foolish
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Rec'd Der
Why is it foolish, aren’t they showing similarities so far in how they went about in the rebuilding process? I think the article is right on, I don’t think anyone said we have the equivalent of Bill Parcels on this team.
We can’t go about a similar process that Miami showed can be successful because we don’t have a proven leader on the team? That doesn’t make any sense to me.
Parcells
Let’s be careful with the “Bill Parcells is a winner comments.” Yes, the first year as GM was a success bit that’s one year. Secondly, what few notice is that Parcells was a sub .500 coach and won ZERO playoff games when he was without Belichick on his staff. That’s right- SUB .500 and NO playoff wins unless he had Bilichick with him. As an example, take a look just at the turnaround when BB joined him with Jets. Parcells is overrated. Kind of like Dan Hawkins without Chris Peterson.
by FergusonQB12 on Mar 7, 2010 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
I thought Belicheat was in Cleveland when Parcells to the Pats to the Super Bowl against the Packers. Or am I just misremembering?
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
that's correct
Also, Belicheat hasn’t won a title since Spygate…I’m just saying…
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
and brady has looked decidedly less magical… coincidence..? Gregory House doesn’t think so
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
You say “healthy skepticism,” I say… well, the moping ain’t healthy, that’s for sure.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 7, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
and yet blind optimism is no picnic either..........
as for patience……..well……..
Woodrow Wilson said it best
“All things come to him who waits – provided he knows what he is waiting for”
The problem isnt the waiting……..its the waiting for “what exactly” that is the problem………
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There can be optimism without it being blind. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
not when it comes to this team.
:-)
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At this point, the fact that CHIX haven't done anything stupid
like signing Smith to a “Dockery like” deal is reason to be optimistic. If we start building through the draft and show signs of becoming competitive, then we will be able to lure FAs to Buffalo.
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Woodrow Wilson said it best
"All things come to him who waits – provided he knows what he is waiting for"
Do you suppose he was talking about the League of Nations? Or maybe his debilitating stroke?
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
QB depth chart
I don’t think there’s anybody here who thinks we’re set at QB. I just don’t think that there’s any answers out there in free agency. Historically, the most successful FA QB’s are those who have been successful before, had an injury, and were let go by their team in place of a younger QB. I just don’t see anybody like that out there.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 7, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nix and Gailey have had Edwards and Fitzpatrick on the top of the depth chart for about two months...
…. and zero games. That’s the part where patience comes in.
It’s absolutely NOT the job of the front office to make moves to satisfy the fan base. It’s the job of the front office to make moves to win football games.
There’s a little bit of mocking the fan base for being impatient at the beginning of the story… I’ll totally admit that. It’s more a call for rationality though. We’ve all been through the past ten years as well, so complaining about a decade of failure and then crying about it falls on my deaf ears.
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It’s absolutely NOT the job of the front office to make moves to satisfy the fan base. It’s the job of the front office to make moves to win football games.
Great……..unfortunately too many fans cant voice their displeasure by not coming to games until they start winning………….for fear that they might lose their team…….
Its hard for someone like me to fully understand because I dont live in the area……but I hear many on here lamenting those thoughts.
I mean what better statement to make to the “powers that be” than to not show up………but sadly thats not a viable option.
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think with the lack of salary floor this year, we might feel less forced to support the team financially if they continue to underperform.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 7, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
That said....
…the line of logic goes:
Front office ignores popular moves and improves teams. Fan base is pissed.
Team improves and wins.
Fans base is happy.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
this team has been there and done that..........
rarely has this team gone with the popular move………..they instead overspend on lackluster free agents……so either way they’re doing it wrong.
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I have a news flash for everyone who says “I only buy tickets to keep the team in Buffalo.” It’s not going to help in the long run.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 8, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
COME ON!
It’s been 48 hours since free agency opened why haven’t we signed peppers and dansby, traded for vick and troy smith (a backup plan for the backup plan), put an offer out to marcus mcneil, offer sheet for marshall, already announce what we will be doing at #9, trade our entire 2011 draft for the #1 pick this year tpo draft clausen (you know, in case vick and smith and brohm dont work out) and printed our playoff tickets?!!!?!!! SLACKERS!!!!
by jmkney on Mar 7, 2010 9:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Your only getting a ground rule double from me.
Abosolutely nothing about the Wild Cat. You did mention Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown but before I go to far. How far would Parcells and the Dolphins have gotten with out the wild cat.
Der Jeager, your posts are always grand slams or mimimum solo shots, but this one is like a Trent Edwards Pass hitting the ground first. Please comment on how the Wild Cat has helped Parcells time in Miami. Other than that you touched everything else. Unless your suggesting that Chix may have something up their sleeve in form of a surprise scheme set up. If that’s the case, I can wait not to see it.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
Parcells isnt the coach and he isnt the one who installed the Wildcat
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So it was the coach that took the dolphins from worst to first in a year.
And Parcells was ignorant to the whole thing? I do agree that Parcells isn’t the coach.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
I do agree that Parcells isn’t the coach.
Well, I would certainly hope so. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 7, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
And Henne is Parcells guy!!
Not spagnola’s
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
Maybe
a little too much credit given to the Wildcat… It’s simply a power running scheme with one wrinkle that the RB might throw it, which the Dolphins did probably a handful of times. The Jets run the ball equally effectively with a power scheme and no Wildcat… does that mean that Jets management has the I-Formation or a 2 TE set to thank for their success?
The Wildcat is a fad, like the 3-4 defense. Living in south Florida I get stuck watching Miami games a lot… and they only ran the Wildcat as effectively as they were running the ball in general in any particular game.
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It’s not just that the RB might throw it. It makes you stop the running back with one guy. Instead of the QB handing off and essentially acting as a decoy at best the RB takes a direct snap so it’s 11 on 11. With a WB handing off and getting out of the way it’s essentially 10 on 11.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 8, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
The Wildcat had a great deal to do with the turnaround
However, it’s not like the Dolphins wouldn’t have made a jump in the standing without it.
The Pats game in NE was certainly due to the Wildcat. So are a couple other games. Even if you believe that the Wildcat was responsible for 5 of the 11 Miami wins, a 1-15 to 6-10 turnaround is good. And they did it without a big splash free agency period.
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Well said. The reason why it got so much attention was because Spagnuolo used to it outcoach the Pats, in the Pats first regular season loss in two years. It was a giant upset and the Dolphins used that win as a catalyst to turn their season around. While the wildcat was important to that win and that win was important to their season, its importance to their success was vastly overstated.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 7, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
The dolphins big splash was the introduction of the wild cat and did assist them in the rebuilding of a 1-15 team to an 11-5 team. I would assume that at least a dozen or so other teams felt the same as they too installed various forms of the same scheme.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
I think there’s a lot of logic in this article. Real good points were made. Good read Der Jaeger. Also, I’m pretty sure they added Davon Bess that summer. He was an undrafted rookie out of Hawaii or something and he is now their #1 Wideout and Henne’s favourite target. I would certainly take that kind of rebuild as opposed to “only having to give up a 3rd and a 4th for Boldin”
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Correct.
They did add Bess as an undrafted rookie before the ’08 season.
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and bess is no slouch. he’s the best receiver on their roster and he was free. so let’s all relax a might. crack a carling, roll one up, put on the brier and let the new One Bills Drive do what they are going to do. A year from now we could all be praising them for stockpiling draft picks and not “making a splash”. Cue the “we’ve done that for ten years you stupid canadian”…
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by rockybillboa on Mar 7, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
The Bills have traded for players, signed big free agents, and tried to build through the draft. None of it worked since the 90s. There’s no set in stone way of doing this stuff.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I beg to differ.....
and it all starts with the front office. You need good scouting, a plan of action and commitment from the owner (financial wise). The reason why Parcells is so successful in building real competitive teams is the simple formula of starting with the lines. if you have a strong O-line you can throw in Pennington, or for that matter any QB with good decision making abilities. Marv Levy always said you got to be able to run the ball and stop the run. Acquiring QB’s like Manning, Brady, Brees is great but really is hit or miss or luck. Also, what’s the use in having them if you have no line to protect him or run the ball. Nuthin’ but road kill.
Whatever decisions this front office makes this offseason will clearly show what their plan is and how they’re thinking. Personally, I hoping their focus on OL, DL and LB with a sprinkling of skilled players. How’s that for a recipe..LOL
thats a cop-out
There’s no set in stone way of doing this stuff.
the set in stone way of doing things is getting a good schemer, and a good personnel guy, and having them mesh well.
the teams with constant success, or at least repetitive success, dont just get lucky trying new things.
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not a copout. The Bills have tried every method that fans are screaming for and none of them have worked.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well written article
Great points made.
Miami is a perfect example to learn from.
YES, sir they are. They are run by the premier football man in the game, Parcells is a genius.
Although I 100% agree with you Der Jaeger , I also understand why many fans are dispointed. Last year was one of the lowest point in the past 30years – Fans actually paid for billboards to get a coach fired! Fans need something to get exited about and unfortunately Nix & Gailey are not that exiting and the moves they’ve made to date are well, non-existant.
What’s good about Nix is that he is older and really doesn’t seem to care what other people think, he’s got a plan and intends to see it through. I definitely think your comparison to how Parcells fixed the Dolphins is accurate.
Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...
Last year was one of the lowest point in the past 30years
We had back to back two win seasons. This doesn’t come close.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Last year was worse
Those two win seasons were the bottoming out following a nice little run of contention in the early 80’s…also, with the team holding Jim Kelly’s rights, there was at least, a CHANCE that better days were on the horizon…Going into last season with Jauron and Edwards was like watching toilet water circling the bowl. Last year’s bottoming out capped a decade of irrelevance and was as inevitable as the sun setting in the west. Last year was a lifeless death march that I never had experienced supporting a team in all my life…a season with absolutely no hope of accomplishing anything…I vote 2009 as the lowest point and I don’t think it’s close.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
Yeah it was a lot better when our first-round picks were choosing to play in the CFL and USFL. I just can’t believe perspective is so out of whack.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. It’s been much worse than last year.
by radan on Mar 7, 2010 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah; and we played all of our home games in the freaking United States of America back then too…Hate to break it you, but there’s no concrete answer to an ambiguous debate…To ME, last year was my lowest point ever supporting this franchise. Several of the Bills’ supporters I watch the games with every week felt the same way too…no tortured supporter of the Bills needs to apologize for an “out of whack” perspective. The apologies need to come from Ralph Wilson.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
Understood—I’m just older than you. At least we can blame it on not having a GM this year. I can remember various regimes where we’d have been better without one.
by radan on Mar 7, 2010 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
PS—you’re right about the common denominator and where the apologies need to come from
by radan on Mar 7, 2010 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Apologies?
What in world does the owner owe an apology for? He’s spending money on a “product” that you can choose to “buy” or not. People take this thing a little to personal. If you were a share holder I might better understand your angst.
by buffalobacker on Mar 7, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right. We should thank him for the ineptitude that keeps this site Rumbling.
by radan on Mar 7, 2010 3:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL! Rec'd
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
wow dude
like writing dark poetry in the graveyard?
"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."
"If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again."
great job
I have to live with the Fins slant daily and must say Parcells is still criticized for not getting the team to the next level (by now).
My only “beef” with the Bills so far is the seemingly lackluster effort to go after Pashos and/or Hicks. Their talent was widely described in several pieces here. They are/were available and God knows we need OL help. I know – cue the Dockery/Walker diatribes.
I wholeheartedly support the build thru draft philosophy but we need some FAs to even field a team. Pashos or Hicks would have bolstered my support even further.
"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
Couldn't Agree more with Der Jaeger
There’s another way to put it: the time to judge the Bills offseason will be two months from now, after we see what they have done in free agency, trades and the draft. To start passing judgment on how Nix and Gailey have done two days after the start of FA is nuts.
The one place I wondered if they were going to be more aggressive was in pursuing a veteran OT, but that hasn’t happened. It makes me think that they have looked at Bell, Meredith, Ramsey, etc. on tape and decided that they already have some very good young talent at the position that they want to put on the field during this rebuilding year in order to give them playing experience. I will be very surprised, though, if they don’t bring in at least one vet for insurance and add an OT in the first round or two of the draft.
Randy Starks is a starter
and Starks remain with the team as reserves
And he turned out to be an excellent 3-4 DE
2009 NY Phin PhansFantasy League Champion
2009 Best Regular Season Record in NYPPL.
2010 The Jim Mandich NewsFlash Award Winner.
This is correct.
I thought that Lankford and Merling were the starters. Starks plays RDE. It still doesn’t chance the concept.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Very enjoyable article!!
Parcells is a football person and so is Nix. Nix as worked under some of the most successful front office personnel in the NFL which includes arguably one of the best ever in Polian. He has a plan and is going to follow through with it no matter who is disappointed.
Can’t teams rescind their offers on the RFA’s tenders? I believe that is the case but I’m not 100% sure. Teams right now are fishing when tendering players to see if they can get a team to give them draft picks. Some of the tendered players will be released in the near future. Nix & company might be waiting to see who becomes available to make a move.
"Whether or not you write well, write bravely"
maybe they just don’t want Incognito… and perhaps Wade Smith thinks in his mind he has a better chance of starting elsewhere, before committing to BUffalo… its been three days… there is a long time before the season starts, when we as a team will have all the players to fill out a roster… 5 teams or so did some things… that leaves 25-28 teams that have sat back and let the landscape fall into place going into the draft. I am not worried at all.
On the hunt... Bills in the playoffs 2010
by killascript on Mar 7, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
there’s no room for logical arguments here killascript. take that sensible opinion elsewhere.
Later Losman!
by rockybillboa on Mar 7, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
what am I thinking right...?
we need some moves to happen sure… but pieces of the puzzle that build long lasting success come from the draft, and we’ll have to face the facts that even if the Bills find a way to break .500 this year… it will still be an up and down battle for the next five years before we even have the chance to be a perennial winner
On the hunt... Bills in the playoffs 2010
rec'd
Take the wildcat out of Miami’s offense and I wonder if there would even be a comparison. Maybe a comparison of what not to do, ie Raiders and Lions would be more relevant but not as interesting.
This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.
Great read
Inspires hope. The only thing is, Parcells has a lot more pull just with his name. People think "winner “when they hear it. (Not to mention Miami”s weather) Hopefully Nix’s calming southern charm, (the same thing I’m convinced made W president) can persuade some talent to take a chance on us…
"This is what happens Larry!, This is what happens! "-Walter Sobchak
by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Mar 7, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
As a Bills Fan I am not shocked
But disappointed as usual. The whole AFC just got a lot better so hopefully Nix/Chan have something up their sleeves or else we are gonna be last in the AFC East again.
Dude, unless an entire team gets injured, we’re gonna be last in our division this season.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 7, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
REMAIN CALM.....ALL IS WELL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
Well... Perspective is what's lacking.
Maybe the Buffalo winters are too depressing or something… but I think what y’all need to realize is that the team cannot get worse from here on out (unless Schobel decides to retire). The draft will add talent and free agency will add depth at some point. Guys get cut, guys are released for financial reasons… etc. Buffalo has a lot of young talent under contract and they’re not going anywhere. We don’t know how many players we’ll add just by giving young guys a shot at playing time. All of the whining probably has more to do with the individual than the reality of the situation. You don’t build a house overnight, and you don’t put the shingles on before the trusses.
"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."
"If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again."
the problem isnt that the team is rebuilding....................
that happens…………..but the team has been rebuilding for 10 years.
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Then
by all means, whine about it.
"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."
"If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again."
I shall.
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
189 days from Sunday 3/7/10
to Sunday 9/12/10. A lot can happen.
"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"
by fansince60 on Mar 7, 2010 2:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Gotta add my 2 cents...
Excellent write DJ.. A major thing left out though, I’d like to add…
Everyone is aware there is no cap this year I’m sure, but few realize that next year, with a new CBA, there will be… Probably a bit lower percentage of revenue too which would mean, the new cap in all likely hood, will be lower than the one from last year.
So, for the teams going nuts (Chicago??), the probability of their signings being cut once again, to get under a cap in 2011 are pretty good…
In perspective for the bash Mr Wilson crowd, I would hope that most of you are aware that during the “Glory Years”, there WAS NO CAP!!! And Ralph paid to keep talent like the Jim Kelley’s, Thurman, etc… It was once the cap was initiated that the Bills were forced to literally blow up the team to get under it…. Granted, most of the future HOFers on the squad were beyond their primes, but it sure would have been great to let Reed, Thomas, Smith, etc finish their careers right here, in Buffalo…. The cap stopped that from happening, not Mr Wilson being cheap….
by Cinga on Mar 7, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Wow
that makes way too much sense… therefore no one will comment on this
"I don't agree with a damn thing you say, but I would die for your right to say it."
"If I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again."
Why is there lower revenue than last year? It’s the same contract so far.
In perspective for the bash Mr Wilson crowd, I would hope that most of you are aware that during the "Glory Years", there WAS NO CAP!!! And Ralph paid to keep talent like the Jim Kelley’s, Thurman, etc… It was once the cap was initiated that the Bills were forced to literally blow up the team to get under it…. Granted, most of the future HOFers on the squad were beyond their primes, but it sure would have been great to let Reed, Thomas, Smith, etc finish their careers right here, in Buffalo…. The cap stopped that from happening, not Mr Wilson being cheap….
You have no idea how rational and intellgient you sound when you say stuff like this. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 8, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Nice read
And echoing everything rational people are saying. People just need to chill. Those saying they will jump ship without “so and so” singing need to go take fandom 101 and relearn how to be a real fan.
I remember when they signed Wilford. I really thought he would have been a good Orr the middle complement to Evans. I guess I was wrong cuz he didn’t exactly pan out. I think a vet wr should be a higher priority (after oline depth) because if the loss if reed and to. I’m really hoping against hope that #84 pika it up this year to the tune of 60 catches and 800 yds.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 7, 2010 3:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Compensatory Picks
Does anybody know if we’ll be in the running for any compensatory picks?
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Mar 7, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions
Smiley
Uhhh, Smiley was signed on the first day or so of FA for the Dolphins that year – 5 years for 25 million. They also grabbed Ferguson very early on and 1 or 2 other bodies in FA were grabbed in the opening day/s.
Nice attempt at comparison – but my memory tells me you have your timing details wrong.
For the record – I only want us to sign whoever we want / need. Whether that takes a day or a month.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
Timing was right
Free Agency started 28 Feb. So it was roughly 48 hours.
Smiley, Anderson, Torbor, and Starks were all signed a couple days into free agency, not at opening day.
Fegurson was a trade.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Smiley signed 1 March.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Smiley, Ferguson, Wilford - all signed day 1 of FA !!
So your comparison is way off the mark sorry. Also, i’m Just saying – they at least signed 3 big names well before we’ve moved. IMO a guard going 5 years for 25 million (2 years ago) makes him a big name. Wilford was a big name FA at the time.
Ferguson was traded for on Feb 29th – rapid for a trade ! Feb 29th was the first day of FA that year (not the 28th)
Ernest Wilford – signed Feb 29th as well – again day 1 of FA.
Again – I agree we can be patient. Just not seeing the similarity with the 08 Fish that you are. Also pointing out that the only 3 guys I looked at do not agree with your posting.
You can make the point that we shouldn’t jump in to FA if you like. However you should refrain from the 2008 Dolphins comparisons when they made a big splash on day one !!!
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
I kind of sense that you're making a big deal about this just to take me down....
…. that said.
2008 UFA started 12:01 on 29 February 2008.
Execpt for Wilfork, all those Dolphins signings happened on 1 March 2008.
Wilfork signed on the first day, along with the Feguson trade. Smiley, Anderson, and Starks were not day one.
I have a habit of researching stuff before I throw it up. And when I’m wrong (Starks not being a starter), I’ll freely admit it.
Besides, the real point of contention is: the Dolphins add a #2 WR and an older NT on the first day, and you call that a splash? Haynesworth, Peppers, Dansby… splashes. If you want to argue that point, I’m game as well.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Sorry again - BUT
Smiley was the first free agent signed by anyone in 2008.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3269418
The above link in to a John Clayton article from 4.23 AM on the first day of FA stating where Smiley was inked as the first name in FA that year.
I guess where we differ is that you don’t call a starting NT, one of the top FA Wr’s (at the time) and a 25 million dollar guard all on day 1 a splash. I do. That said, if you don’t you are certainly entitled to that opinion and I respect that.
I also consider the 08 Dolphins approach to be a very different approach to FA to the one we’ve taken (or not taken) so far.
Nope, not trying to “take you down” (I enjoy many of your reads and think you do a fine job), just pointing out that the FA comparison you are making is erroneous. Considering the article is largely based on that I would say it’s a valid point I’m making.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
I stand corrected on Smiley.
However, I do disagree with you on the concept. I don’t count salary as a big splash.
The effort wasn’t there from the Niners because Smiley hadn’t reached his potential. Miami overpayed but was fortunate that Smiley worked out.
Wilfork caught 45 passes and 3 TD’s Hardly a top free agent WR.
Ferguson was hurt all but one game in 2007. He made one tackle. Being well over 30, Ferguson can be looked at as a stop-gap, even at the time Miami traded for him.
The best player they signed was Starks.
In all, I don’t consider the acquisitions of a yet to be proven guard, barely #2 WR, and an old injured NT a splash. And Torbor and Anderson weren’t splashes either. Anderson has 7.5 total career sacks. He’s a depth player. Torbor has 6 sacks. Another depth player.
Miami added mid-range free agents. If we added Wade Smith, Joey Porter, and Tyler Thigpen, that would be comperable.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
I agree
However, the fact that we have added nobody as yet makes a difference between the 2 situations.
Yeah the Dolphins overpaid for Smiley at the time – but if you want a guy inked at 4 AM on day 1 you generally have to overpay. Ie The lions and WR this year.
Hopefully we get the right bodies – because we need about 20 of them (which seems to be about as many as Miami picked up that year) We can’t get all those bodies in the draft. Even if we do get more picks from players – that means we need more bodies again.
Would love to see a team interested enough in our #9 to gather an extra 2 picks minimum. (even if its a 3rd and 5th – pretty sure a 3rd rounder would equal a starter in our D front 7 at the moment)
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
There's still a lot of good players out there.
OT: Adam Terry, Barry Sims, Levi Jones, Mark Tauscher
NT: Jamal Williams, Bryan Robinson, Jimmy Kennedy, Ian Scott, Shaun Smith
DE: Nick Eason, Dwan Edwards, Corey Redding
OLB: Joey Porter, Danny Clark, Chike Okeafor, Derrick Burgess
ILB: Larry Foote, Ryan Fowler, Chaun Thompson, Jeff Ulbirch
WR: Chris Chambers, Derrick Mason, Bobby Wade, Kelley Washington
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
WR
I find that WR list very un-inspiring – ala Ernest Wilford. (Except Mason – but he’s past his best)
Not sure re Levi Jones any more either, but the rest of your list gives me hope. I think we need 3-4 guys from it (and some extra “jersey stuffers”) though to give us a chance to plug the rest in the draft.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
The guy I'd really like to see Buffalo sign is Terry
Williams would be nice. So would Kennedy.
Porter or Okeafor would also be good for the right price.
Fowler and/or Ulbirch for 3-4 ILB depth would also be nice.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Similar
Pretty much the same guys I’d like to see from the list – a legit NT (even if no elite any more) and an OT.
Adam Terry would also be good – I have a friend with the same name who I always pay out whenever Terry gives up a sack. It might add some amusement to what could be a rough season from my point of view. A few calls consisting of “frickin Terry” might just help me get through another losing season.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
Wrong Der Jaeger
Smiley, Wilford both day 1 FA’s (Feb 29th that year) Ferguson traded for on day 1 as well. Kind of an active day 1 actually.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
Incorrect...
… see above.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Oh nice
Just making a point based on fact.
I also feel that this article is kind of an attack on the poor sod who yesterday posted that he was disgruntled with the lack of FA action from the Bills (I cannot remember which user made the post, but I’m sure we all know the one). That considered , I thought I should point out the flaws it was based upon.
Nothing personal to anyone – just friendly debate.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
LOL - dont want to keep 2 threads
On the same argument going so I’ll also just refer to my above reply :)
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
So i guess Joey Porter is not showing up tomorrow.......
lol
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 5:39 PM EST reply actions
Or Tuesday, as the fake report said :-)
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
yeah.....sorry for some reason I kept thinking today is monday.....
thats the problem when you work weekends……..mondays are forgettable……like Thursdays haha.
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
It is over here !
Hey, it’s 2.12 PM Monday over here – so you were still right in my book :-)
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
The Fins also had the number one pick that year in the draft which certainly helps when you are trying to rebuild seeing as you can either get who you want no matter what or you trade it away for more picks which always good when rebuilding. The point could also be made that although the Fins made improvements in 08 that most of that is largely attributed to them utilizing the WildCat as the offense du jour and the Pats losing Brady during week one.
I like the article though because it puts things in perspective. I know a lot of people dont want to hear about having to wait another 3-4 years to even think about the playoffs but the harsh reality is what it is. Hopefully they do it right this time and things turn around.
Where else would you rather be than right here right now - Marv Levy
"Wilfork was a bust"
Wouldn’t that be nice?
I think you meant Ernest Wilford.
And with the 9th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select...Hey, Buddy, you can't select a high school senior!!!




















