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THE PLAN: Take a step back, regroup - then attack


I honestly don't care.  It's starting to look like they are purposely taking a step back, making the hard changes that need to be made and they don't care how we finish in 2010, actually finishing the year with 3-4 wins would really put us in a great position for next season (Mallet or Locker). 

So if the plan in year one is to take a step back, implement the systems (both offense and defense), pickup most of the depth guys you will need in the upcoming years, assess who you really want to keep from the existing roster, trade away what truly doesn't fit, draft really really well (BPA).  I think we need to come out of this draft with at least 2-3 starters.  Draft BPA over need, even if you are really stocked at a given position, it just gives you trading options in 20111.  When you build through the draft you must be patient and focused on getting the best player available as opposed to filling needs.

Let's be honest, we won't have a season in 2010.  If we finish with 3-4 wins it will have been a successful transition.  The huge advantage here would be that we'd be in a great position to get a franchise QB (Locker or Mallet).

Then in year 2, you can can start to fill a few needs from FA (without going crazy), trade away your overstocked players for more draft picks, get your franchise QB in rd1 and again, draft really really well (BPA).  Assuming we pickup 2-3 more starters, get our franchise QB a year learning behind his belt.  I could see us finishing .500 in year 2. 

By year 3, we should have drafted anywhere from 8-12 new starters along with our existing starters that we retained, filled a few holes through Free Agency, found our Franchise QB and ready to make a run at the playoffs.

 

So to me the real key will be how well the draft and how many starters we wind up with.  I am anxious to see if the Chix can draft BPAs and not focus on Needs and not reach.  If that occurs, we will be in good shape by Year 3.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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Sounds like your paraphrasing Buddy Nix.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Mar 7, 2010 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

I’ve never really truly believed in the BPA concept. It’s hard to see the value when your sights are set on the upcoming season.
I wasn’t sold on this approach until I was writing a response in another post. Writing my response I realized the true value of building through the draft properly (assuming you have a great FO). Then I figured I thought I had enough to make my own fan post to debate the concept of the BPA. Writing this made me finally realize what it truly means. Football is a business, pure and simple. If you’re strength as a FO is drafting quality players, always drafting BPAs is the perfect way to always have something to trade with others, providing more picks in future years.

It’s hard to see the value of drafting another player at a position that we already have good players, because we tend to want to gravitate around what we don’t have. Unless we have a great player at a given position, draft BPA. Let the better player win the spot, the fact that two good-great players are competing against each other makes them both better and increases the trade value of the one you decide to trade the year after. If you are good at drafting and you always have extra picks, you will eventually be a very dominating franchise.

Unfortunately for Mr Wilson, this approach takes time. Fortunately for us fans, this approach is the best way to ensure a very solid foundation for future years to come.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Mar 7, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

If you can honestly believe what you just wrote.

Then let me add this to the mix. Our current roster is filled with players or the foundation for a rebuilding team. They are considered average and mediocre by many on this site, but that is mainly due to thier youth and inexperience which is practically the same thing as building through the draft. The biggest factor in my opinion going into 2010 is to keep everyone healthy and allow them to grow and prove whether they belong in this league or not. Remember many of our draft picks in recent years have spent alott of time on IR. That still doesn’t eleminate our glaring needs. We needed better coaching and we made a change. We need better teachers, because of the youth and we made this change. Now we need better drafting of players and a healthy season for these guys. We are rebuilding and the foundation is the youth on our roster going forward, not some 30M dollar FA.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Mar 7, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I do

And if you read carefully, I say that I think we could be a contender for a playoff spot by year 3. I said that by then we should have drafted about 12 starters. Where’s the other 15-20 starters? ANSWER: on our current roster.

I do believe that we’ve got some potentially great players already on our team such as Levitre, Wood, McKelvin, Byrd, Maybin, Nelson, Poz, Lynch. We have quite a few very solid players such as Wilson, Williams, Jackson, Evans, McGee, Florence, Mitchell, Stroud, Moorman and Lindell. There are quite a few serviceable depth guys like Hangman, Johnson, Scott, Whitner, Kelsay,

Then there are the unknows such as Bell, Meredith, Brohm, Edwards, Johnson, Hardy

We are rebuilding and the foundation is the youth on our roster going forward, not some 30M dollar FA.

I think unless you are a perennial Playoff contender and a mere few players away from the title, you should avoid the big names in FA. When the team is 1-2 players away from a championship, then go for it!

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Mar 7, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You are not the same guy as last year.

rec’d for your ability to adjust to the times. Your passion was never in doubt. There is alot of work to be done, for me that is exciting enough.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Mar 7, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year we were in the 4th year of rebuilding the Jauron era. My main issues with that administration was their poor drafting decisions, lack of wheeling & dealing capability as well as their mismanagement of our own RFAs and UFAs. Because I had so little respect for their ability to build through the draft, I favored the Free Agent approach.

After 4 years into the rebuild process, making us smaller and faster for the tampax2, all I really was hoping for was some talent. Now, for the moment, I am drinking the Chix flavored coolaid and believing that we can actually do the proper job rebuilding this franchise.

Your passion was never in doubt
thank you.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Mar 7, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

since you brought it up.....

“The biggest factor in my opinion going into 2010 is to keep everyone healthy "…..This is THE most puzzling thing that I can’t figure out. What’s up with all the injuries? I know injuries are apart of the game but come on….. I mean a slew of them. Is it conditioning or are these guys that fragile? Is it coaching or maybe its guys trying to overcompensate for someone else’s weakness or their own? I dunno but it seems like the last few yrs Buffalo has been plagued with them.

by blknites on Mar 7, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You just wait, in 5 years we'll be something.......

Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!

by UtahBillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

you are right..........

we’ll be 5 years older :-)

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Well aren't we the pessimist ;-)

One thing that needs to be said about the Buddy Nix FO is that for once we are rebuilding the right way. New systems and a roster overhawle. Unlike the Inner circle days when rebuilding ment getting a new coach to fit the same system.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

roster overhaul?

when does that start?

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Well we’ve already released a few guys. Wait until training camp, thats when the majority of the important cuts will happen (aka Kelsey).

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Your exactly right CBF.

It will be a sad day again, but there are some mainstays on this roster that will not be in a bills uniform come September. That will delight alot of fans, for the wrong reasons, but it is part of the rebuilding process and is inevitable.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Mar 7, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

OMGz in 5 years

I’ll be teh oldzz 1111111 lol sorry,early midlife crisis.

by mob16151 on Mar 8, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really

When was the last time this team actually went with a full fledged rebuilding attempt?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 7, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Donahoe try to rebuild us?

Or was his main goal to get us out of salary cap hell, and couldn’t that be the same thing?

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Mar 7, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess so

But they pretty much had to try starting over because of the salary cap problems.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 7, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo really needs a spark not another rebuilding joke year....

how about vick or troy smith atleast they will bring some action to this lack luster O. Now is the time atleast make an effort to be better then 3 or 4 wins. We mine as well become oakland fans with your hopes and dreams for this team so low for another 3 to 5 years. lol

by Taber New Bedford Buffalo on Mar 7, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Agree 100%

Sometime short term pain (and a lot of it) is best for long term gain. Right now we are in one of the worst situations a team can be in: New front office, new HC, new systems all around, no QB, no chance of competing next year, amd no free agent wants to come sign with us.

So what should we do? Easy, run with it. If we’re going to suck for a year then lets suck for a year (I see it as accepting the inevitable). Gives us a chance to really go get the major cornerston players that we need and we will be better in the long run for it.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

Field the best team you can in 2010 but still look to the future

That’s what I hope they are doing. If you are going to trade for draft picks, for example, why not do it this year and bring in as many of the players you are going to need for a playoff-bound team in order to give them as much experience as possible in 2010? I’m also in favor of starting Brohm at QB (if he can earn the job during the offseason) to see how he can perform. If he turns out to be great, then we have our QB problem solved. If not and we lose a lot of games, then we are in a strong position to draft a QB in 2011. But above all we should play the guys we are hoping will be our building blocks for the future (i.e., Hardy, Steve Johnson, Maybin, Bell, Meredith). Let’s find out exactly what we have with them and get them to the point where they are young vets. If they work out, then we will know we are set at those positions. If they don’t, then it will be clear what we will need to address in FA and the draft next year.

by Macktruck on Mar 7, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

As much experience as possible...

experience at losing does not breed a winning environment.

by mcmaurer on Mar 8, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

One problem

with writing off a season like this in advance (as you’re implying we’re doing — “we won’t have a season in 2010”) is that it’s incredibly demoralizing to the players. Which means 2010 could get real ugly with all of the attendant fallout (demands for a coaching change, for example).

We’re also assuming, as everyone does, that we’re going to do a much better job of drafting than we have in the past (which shouldn’t be too hard) AND do a much better job drafting than other teams (more doubtful). We’re also assuming that the new system (moving to a 3-4 for example) is a good idea. Remains to be seen.

Yeah, draft for the future. Have a plan. And cross your fingers and hope we hit a couple of home runs in the draft because that’s the only way we’re going to get back into things.

by Applsoss on Mar 7, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Kind of right
So if the plan in year one is to take a step back,

I don’t think it is the “plan” to take a step back, rather it is the natural consequences of doing what is needed to for the Bills in their current condition to build a winning team. Look around the league at some of the other small market teams. You have to hit rock bottom before you can draft high enough to get that impact player(s) that can help you turn it around. I am ready to compete for the number one draft pick this year….Mallet or Locker in 2011.

A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!

by Joe P. on Mar 7, 2010 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

problem with bpa

sometimes when you draft bpa you get people like payton manning and sometimes you get ryan leaf you should never get bpa unless it is the later rounds 5-7
you have to look at value over bpa or need

do you think the rams are going to draft suh or bradford which is bpa

by Gpluehri on Mar 7, 2010 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think you understand what I was trying to say.

What is Best Player Available (bpa) anyway? I know what it means to me, do you?

The way I would run my draft is to have 2 board system.

Big Board: My first board would be a list of the best possible players regardless of position. We would rate each player based on his production, achievements, stats, athletic abilities, school conference strength/schedule, character, measurables. As a front office we’d agree on a weighing system for each category. This board would provide us with the absolute best athletes that we feel will have success at the next level.

Positional / Needs board: My next board would filter the athletes by needs & positions rankings but based on our system and environment.

Draft day: Our goal is to draft the best athletes and our big board is our primary guide. If the difference between our needs/positional board is within an acceptable difference, then we can draft for position or need. If the difference is too much, we draft the next BPA (within 1-3 slots) that best fits our positional needs.

The point I was trying to make above is that players are worth major $$ to our organization and if we have a surplus at a given position, we can trade it for more picks in future drafts. What I think I have finally realized is that the only way to really get better in the long term and more importantly to sustain that success and possibly even create dominance is to control the draft. And the only way to control the draft is to focus on BPAs and it will eventually pay off dividends big time, when you have the luxury of being able to deal big names for great draft picks without it really affecting your team. The Chargers trading Cromartie or Cardinals trading Boldin are perfect examples. Both teams can easily survive without those players and now have extra chances to win the lottery.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Mar 7, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

BPA

i understood what you said about drafting BPA BPA is crap because every team has different BPA in reality is value over need as i said they just name it BPA to make the players feel good
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/351296-best-player-available-is-a-myth-and-just-another-football-cliche

I've never met a QB who can throw off his back

by Gpluehri on Mar 7, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

BPA

To me BPA drafting approach is defined by selecting BPA irregardless of positional needs.The opposite of that I quess would be drafting by positional need. Not sure why you consider BPA to be crap. Buffalo by everybody’s comments have many needs. Either method could be used with good probability of getting good picks. It’s just a different way to the same ends. Really not following why you think BPA is crap?

by buffalobacker on Mar 7, 2010 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

didnt we go the BPA route with Donahoe?

that didnt exactly turn out very well.

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever

I’d go the crystal ball route, maybe that would work…

by buffalobacker on Mar 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

First of all, I never said it was crap, I said that I now accept that drafting BPA is the way to go.

Either method could be used with good probability of getting good picks
no not at all, consider this:
2006: we chose need, Donte Whitner at #8 when we could have chosen Haloti Ngata or Jay Cutler
2007: we chose Marshawn Lynch (because we were flushing McGahee) when we could have chosen Darelle Revis
2008: We chose McKelvin (because we let Nate Clements walk) when we could have had Ryan Clady

All I am saying is that we should take the best player on the board regardless of what we need unless it’s between a spot or two. It would payoff in the long term big time. I read somewhere that Modrak has said that he had Cutler & Ngata ahead of Whitner and I believe he wanted Cutler. How different would our team be today if we had taken Cutler, Revis & Clady instead of Whitner, Lynch & McKelvin? My point is simply that you cannot go wrong by choosing the best player available instead of reaching to fill a need.

Nothing left to say... the clock is ticking...

by keysh67 on Mar 7, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

dont forget john mccargo

and we could of had nick mangold or demeco ryans

I've never met a QB who can throw off his back

by Gpluehri on Mar 8, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree Strongly on a few points

1) 3-4 wins would be a good season if our young guys show progress. I really believe both Locker and Mallet are two guys who will play in many playoff games before they retire. Troy Smith won’t. Michael Vick won’t. Colt McCoy won’t, LeFecour won’t and Tim Tebow almost certainly won’t. Neither will Tyler Thigpen as much as I like him. In my humble opinion, Clausen won’t and Bradford might, but he won’t be there at 9. My point is that getting a franchise quarterback is hard. Sometimes, no matter how much you might want one, there just isn’t one available. I can wait a year if it means getting Locker or Mallet. But that’s just me.

2) The way you win in the NFL is through the draft. Free agents are nice to build depth, but really, it’s cliche, but building through the draft is the way to win.

3) No FO should get tunnel vision on a few positions, but then it would be stupid to go into the draft w/o a special eye for offensive tackles, outside linebackers and nose tackles. To some extent, I think the BPA/positional value debate is phony in that almost every Front Office seeks to find a balanced approach to those two philosophies. Some are closer to one school or the other, but almost none fit entirely into one category.

by TNBillsfans on Mar 7, 2010 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

Tim Tebow almost certainly won’t.

I am 100% opposed to this line of thinking. He’s got 2 knocks on him, throwing motion, which is well on its way to potentially being cleaned up, and reading defenses, just like every other college QB other than clausen. Plus Tebow has shown himself to be a voracious film student, so he’ll probably do fine in that regard too

other than that I agree, the BPA arguement is stupid… there is no FO in football that doesnt consider need at all, and there is no FO in football, barring the OBD perhaps, that doesnt consider huge talent discrepancies. Why argue a moot point?

we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde

by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

QB

I would love the have the Beast Jake Locker as long as he doesn’t get hurt again. He is the man, Mallet I don’t feel as strongly about

by billsfan26 on Mar 9, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

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