Bills schedule workout with QB Tim Tebow
Gil Brandt at NFL.com is reporting that the Buffalo Bills have scheduled a pre-draft workout with Florida quarterback Tim Tebow. The workout will occur after his pro day at the University of Florida, which is set for March 17.
Tebow has also set up a pre-draft workout with the Seattle Seahawks, and more are certain to follow.
This isn't necessarily huge news. Tebow is already one of the most controversial football players - let alone NFL Draft prospects - in the history of the game, and given his well-documented mechanical flaws and the fact that he's been working diligently on correcting those flaws throughout the off-season, many teams will want to see Tebow up close and personal more than once.
Brandt mentions in the report that Tebow has been working predominantly with coach Noel Mazzone, who was recently named the offensive coordinator at Arizona State, and CFL head coach Marc Trestman. The two coaches, according to the report, are teaching Tebow the "numbered offensive system" and the West Coast Offense, which are the two most predominant systems in the NFL today.
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Oh, and before y’all get your knickers in a twist and freak out again, understand one thing: Tebow won’t be anywhere close to the only QB to work out in Orchard Park before the draft. :)
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Although.....
You and I are both hoping he is still hanging there in round 2 or 3, right Brian? :)
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~Vince Lombardi~
Round 1...
Just thought about it. I believe I would be ok with them drafting him in round 1 as well.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
I like this guy.
Hambones gotta good brain in his head.
by gatorempire127 on Mar 7, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve never said that.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Ha, I should have been clearer: I am not saying that.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
This makes sense. Lets face it if not for his mechanical flaws he really doesn’t have many faults. His biggest detractors are quick to point that out as his weakness, but if he cleans that up…..
I also have to point out that there have been other QBs without prototypical mechanics who have been successful.
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by sireric on Mar 7, 2010 5:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree. Philip Rivers mechanics were not perfect, he's doing well.
Def not opposed to taking a long look at Tebow.
by StroudFanClub on Mar 7, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I may not be a huge fan of Tebow
But with his woek ethic and drive it is hard to bet against him. If anyine can change his throwing motion and still become successful it is him. He does remind me a lot of Rivers.
If Gailey thinks Tebow is the man then
I wouldn’t be upset if we took him at 9.
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~Barack Obama
Someone is going to take him in the first round.
I don't take a dime of their [lobbyist] money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House.
~Barack Obama
What makes you think that?
Not many mocks projecting him as a 1st rounder except to the Jags for marketing purposes and even that is iffy.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
I just don’t see every team passing on him. It’s one thing to pass on him in a mock draft but it’s another to be the GM who passes on a QB who is a proven winner.
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
There are reasons he is not a 1st round pick...
If you wanted to be considered the worst GM of all time, sure take him at #9.
He is still not an accurate passer, you know, the most important aspect of being a QB.
You all know, that I am not a Tebow fan, but IF they decide to draft Tebow, it can’t be before the 3rd round or it is a wasted pick in terms of value. Let someone else reach and the better players will fall to us.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
though I have my reservations about Tebow. If he can fix his mechanics he sounds like a very good prospect!
by buffalobacker on Mar 7, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
The problem is you don’t know if his mechanics are actually fixed until you see him actually playing, which he won’t be doing before the draft. Even if his mechanics look good in workouts, what happens to his form when he’s actually in a game situation and being pressured by some of the best pass rushers in the NFL? It’s a bigger deal than it might appear at first.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
If we take him at #9....
I don’t think I could follow this team anymore. I am not against Tebow per se, but at #9…. I will burn all my Bills paraphenalia, have my tattoo removed, and find a new team.
Then go be a Jags fan when/if they take him right after us and provide a solid QB for them for the next 10 years.
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
That makes zero sense.
He doesn’t want Tebow at 9 so you want him to go root for Tebow as a Jag when the Bills don’t pick him at 9?
Exactly
It was a ridiculous response to a ridiculous statement.
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
Why is that ridiculous?
Because I think it would be an incredible reach to take Tebow at 9? When we have so many holes to fill and can get an immediate impact player at that spot. Why on Earth take a guy that everyone agrees is probably 2 years away from being able to contribute at QB?
I was thinking more of the second part of the post that involved burning of paraphenalia and tattoo removal.
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
why
Makes perfect sense to me, if you do get rid of your bill’s stuff let me know, I’ll take it !
by buffalobacker on Mar 7, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
why do we need an instant starting impact player right away
when we’ll still need a good QB to lead us to the playoffs?
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention..
we are a good 2 years away from rebuilding this team anyhow.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
when we’ll still need a good QB to lead us to the playoffs?
Then why are we talking about Tebow? OMG, he throws the ball different now! I think…Well, at least when no one is pressuring him he holds the ball up a little higher now, all of his accuracy and play-recognition liabilities have been resolved. YEAH! No more problems…take him at #9!
Let me control my enthusiasm
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Why on Earth take a guy that everyone agrees is probably 2 years away from being able to contribute at QB?
Because he plays QB, and if you get a shot to take a QB you think might be able to be the face of your franchise, you take him, no matter how far away he is.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 6:35 AM EST up reply actions
Well said...
We are 2 years away from playoff thoughts anyhow so why not take a guy you believe could be the face of the franchise. By then he has experience and is ready to take the reigns.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
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Yes, exactly Brian! I’m fully on board the Tebow train, as long as his off-field persona doesn’t create too much of a stir in Bills nation.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 8, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Because he plays QB, and if you get a shot to take a QB you think might be able to be the face of your franchise, you take him, no matter how far away he is.
Tim Tebow = Trent Edwards
In terms of what we actually know about how he will perform, we all thought Edwards would be able to sit and learn and be the ‘face of the franchise’ down the road, how did that turn out? I just can’t get over the fact that people tend to “forgive” Tebows faults so easily, as if they WANT him to succeed.
How do you know Tebow won’t turn out like Edwards, Tebow is by far one of the riskiest QB options in this years draft. How does he and/or his handlers continue to get people to forget about his multiple problems…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair...
Edwards didn’t sit and learn. He sat 2.0001 games worth of time. Who was he going to learn from? Losman? Talk about the short end of the stick.
And Tim Tebow is not Trent Edwards. Coming in, Edwards’ biggest strength appeared to be his accuracy and his biggest flaw was his injury history. Coming in, Tebow’s biggest strength appears to be his leadership and his biggest flaw is his accuracy. Edwards leadership wasn’t really an issue in college because he was basically the most talented player on his team. He had a patchwork line and no real weapons to speak of, so he took a heck of a beating. Now that he’s in the thick of it, other issues have emerged for him, leadership included. Tebow has not had the same development path. I can’t imagine two more different QB prospects than Trent Edwards and Tim Tebow to be honest.
If Tebow is one of our picks, it’s tough to say what will happen. The light may just click and he’ll be fine. It might take time. He may never pan out. What’s definitive is that the career path of Trent Edwards is absolutely no indication of the career path of Tim Tebow. New coaches. New philosophy. New team. New player.
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
I wouldn’t be upset if we took him at 9.
I sure would be upset at 9 or at our 2nd rd pick,
we need Offensive Tackles big time and a nose tackle,
3rd round or later, I wouldn’t care, that would be fine.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
we have a NT
and his name is Kyle Williams.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a rotational NT at best, If they plan on playing him at NT in running situations, we are gonna get run all over just like last year, he is not a good run stuffer.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Jay Ratliff is rotational at best.
Keep in mind we didn’t exactly get run over up the middle. It was to the sides with poor run containment from the OLBs and DEs.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ratliff went to the Pro Bowl
He’s a bit more than rotational.
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We got run on constantly between the tackles, especially between the tackles
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
should have
especially between the tackles on misdirection and cutback runs
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
most of the misdirection and cutback runs went back around the DEs, not the DTs
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
Our biggest deficiencies in stopping the run occurred up the middle and to Kelsay’s side, finishing 23rd or worse in yards per rush there….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Ahhh
The Kelsay “jab” You never miss the chance to punch this guy K (Gotta take your shots when they’re there I know) I love reading your Kelsay comments. I even think he deserves most of them.
I do picture you belting your fist down on a table whenever I see the name Kelsay :-)
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
It wasn't a jab though
It was the reality of the situation.
Teams ran for 4.9 yards per carry (29th in the NFL) when they ran off tackle on Kelsay’s side.
Teams ran for 5.15 yards per carry (27th) when they ran around Kelsay’s end.
I didn’t even have to go out of my way to criticize him here. Those numbers speak for themselves….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Those numbers do make your job easier
Not brilliant for a guy who’s supoposed to be a “rounded” player (Well he certainly wasn’t a sack artist)
It must have been a beautiful day for you when we annouced we were going to a 3-4 and you saw he didn’t fit.
I do wonderwhy he’sstill on the roster now unless the Bills feel they can wrangle a 7th out of someone ?
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
It must have been a beautiful day for you when we annouced we were going to a 3-4 and you saw he didn’t fit.
Oh, not yet! He’s still around isn’t he?!?!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
True enough
Uncork the Moet or Dom when he’s officially “unloaded”
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
Jay Ratliff is alot Longer than Kyle Williams
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
TWSS
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Oh the beauty that is a TWSS moment.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 8, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
His name is Robert Paulson.....his name is Robert Paulson.....his name.....
by StroudFanClub on Mar 7, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
rec’d
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I would say if he is there in round two he could be a steal. maybe trade up into the mid to late 20’s IF AND ONLY IF they feel he can be the man, if not…..
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
If top ots are gone
Top three that is. Then they should trade down and pick him up there an pick up another third or so
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 7, 2010 8:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tebow is growing on me… Starting to like the guy… He DEFINES intangibles.
I got nothing.
by Jason from OH-IO on Mar 7, 2010 6:00 PM EST reply actions
He's starting to grow on me too
But I think it’s pure desperation for the Bills to have a QB that’s driving that growth for me.
How’s that old boxing saying go “You’re looking for that ‘something’, sometimes you want it so bad that you’re not even sure if it’s real”
I’d love Tebow to bethe Bills savious – but then again I’d love anyone to save us !
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
He DEFINES intangibles
He just doesn’t define a good QB
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
If CHIX wants him as somone to build around
They are going to have to get him sometime in the first round. He will not make to the Bills’ second round pick
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~Barack Obama
Agree
Besides, what’s wrong with getting a NT later? Or Rodger Saffold in the second?
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
by Der Jaeger on Mar 7, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
jamal williams, torrell troup, and Rodger Saffold oh and Tim Tebow
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Don't take him at 9 because
we already have one first round project player in maybin. no need to add another because I do not believe Tebow will be ready to start come week 1.
Later Losman!
I do not believe Tebow will be ready to start come week 1.
Why does that matter? He can sit for a bit, even a whole year before he starts.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
He can sit for a bit, even a whole year before he starts.
And 1 more year we waste a chance to improve the OL with a LT in the 1st round.
He is already a project and without a decent OL to protect him, good luck developing him, when he is getting his head bounced off the cold hard turf constantly,
We should have taken Oher last season and if the FO passes on LT again at 9 if there is a quality one on the board, I will be quite upset.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
LOL yeah because if he is on the bench for a year we couldn’t take a OT next year.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
This is a deep year for OT
Next year is a deep year for QBs not OT
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
You also don’t have to take one in the 1st round.
Also you may think that the draft looks less desirable from OT next year but to say it is early is an understatement. Players develop, Juniors declare…..
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
by sireric on Mar 7, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
Oh that is so true. I dislike hearing about "next years QB’s will be better etc – I hear that every single year without fail. Guess what – there actually have been some good QB classes in the last 10 years, but apparently “next years” always look brighter.
As you say – Seniors regress (IE Brohm), Juniors explode and declare . I’ve never ever seen a mock draft for the following year (aka 15 months out) look remotely like the actual draft does 15 months later.
I seem to remember this class was “going to be great” Bradford, Snead etc – (how’s Snead looking now)
Perfect comment sireric
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
Always tough
to say “next year is a good draft for” Because you just dont know – Locker could “do a Brohm” , Mallet may not put it all together (he’s still a huge work in progress too).
I have no isses with QB this year and OT next – or the other way around. You take your QB when yo can, because if history has proven anything – Top end QB’s are much harder to find that OT’s. Yeah, you have to be able to protect “your guy”, but if you dont have “the guy” what’s the point ?
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
by Will G on Mar 7, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or
And 1 more year we waste without going after a young QB to groom as the face of the franchise.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
or year one, or year two, probably, for that matter.
EDWARDS THE NEW PISTOL , OWENS THE BAD SLAYER , EVANS THE FLYING METEOR AND COMING SOON THE BEAST MODE THIS IS SPARBUFONIA - abayarde
again, why does that matter? he could sit like Aaron Rodgers did and if he turned out to be as good as Aaron Rodgers would you still pass?
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Especially if we trade a 3rd or later for McNabb
give him a couple years behind a vet like that (Except pound it in Tebow’s head that there are ties in this sport)
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Not reasonable at all...Philly would never make this trade
Especially if we trade a 3rd or later for McNabb
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
We don't have the luxury
of an established QB like Green Bay did with Farve to sit him if we use a high pick on him.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
if you don’t think he is ready and or the best man for the starting job then you leave him on the bench until he is ready. You don’t need a Favre on your team…..
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
With a 9 pick you should be getting someone that will help the team in 2 years max, Aaron Rodgers fit that bill, the only reason he sat longer was because of Favre.
Many scouts think it could take as many as 3-4 years to develop Tebow into a legitimate NFL starter, you don’t waste a #9 pick on a mega reach like that, maybe a 3rd rounder but certainly not a 1st.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I never suggested taking him at #9. I would trade back into the late teens early 20’s if they really want him….
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
I think even that is a reach, trading back into the late second might be worth it, just because of the intangibles and you can use him other ways if the QB thing doesn’t work out.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well you obviously don’t like him as a QB so you are biased.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
I don’t like his value as a 1st round qb pick, or 2nd rd.
I’d take a gamble on a 3rd rd pick where most NFL scouts have him graded.
If we take him at #9, it would be a bigger reach than Whitner at #8, at least Whitner graded out at a late 1st, early 2nd rd pick.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Again, I never suggested taking him at #9. I think that if the Bills think he is the guy for them they have to take him in the first. Please read that as not necessarily at #9, they could trade up or down.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Again, I never suggested taking him at #9
You didn’t but a bunch of people on this thread are.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Which scouts?
I don’t have access to any of the32 team’s draft boards. Do you? If so, please send.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
I don't.
But people like Mike Mayock, Kiper, etc know scouts, talk to them and get the general vibe about what they think then report on the gist of what they get on how different scouts feel, and they generally report 3rd rounder for most scouts.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
But...
…. they don’t have access to the actual draft boards. And that’s a huge thing. That’s where the real truth lies.
Besides, nobody is going to tell any of those guys the real truth. If Pete Carroll really likes Tebow, his scouts aren’t going to reveal their thoughts on him to anyone. They’ll follow the league party line and say he’s in the 2nd or 3rd.
And there’s lots of proven NFL guys who have commented on Tebow as a first rounder: Parcells (before the season), Gruden (before the season), and Dungy (not in the business anymore, so it’s unvarnished).
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
fact is, Tebow has at least an equal chance of being a franchise QB to either Bradford or Clauson. He clearly trumps the other two in size, athleticism, and attitude.
most of my posts get deleted :(
And probably commands more for his autograph
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
of course. the only reason aaron rodgers turned out was because of brett favre. we don’t have brett favre, unless he gets a robot arm and comes back again to play with another random team like five more times. sooner or later the dice will land on us =)
EDWARDS THE NEW PISTOL , OWENS THE BAD SLAYER , EVANS THE FLYING METEOR AND COMING SOON THE BEAST MODE THIS IS SPARBUFONIA - abayarde
Aren’t we trying to build for the future not put together the team that will be able to win the most games next year? Why, if the Bills’ braintrust thinks that Tebow is THE MAN would they pass on him because he can’t step in and play at a high level on day one?
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
i’m crying inside, simply because it means they’re actually considering having a TE play QB for us.
EDWARDS THE NEW PISTOL , OWENS THE BAD SLAYER , EVANS THE FLYING METEOR AND COMING SOON THE BEAST MODE THIS IS SPARBUFONIA - abayarde
by the_prophet on Mar 7, 2010 6:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it’s going to be our “trick play” like the WildCat was. A TE that can throw, noone will have an answer to that….?
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
you’re missing the point. it’s the throwing that’s the problem.
EDWARDS THE NEW PISTOL , OWENS THE BAD SLAYER , EVANS THE FLYING METEOR AND COMING SOON THE BEAST MODE THIS IS SPARBUFONIA - abayarde
by the_prophet on Mar 7, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
:-)
I love it. Sweat Jags, SWEAT!!!!!!!!
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
From a management standpoint they have to do bring him in to at least get a no kidding first hand look at him. It doesnt mean we ARE going to draft the guy. I am probably one of the biggest anti-Tebow for QB people in the world but you at least have to see what he has improved on since the end of the year. But I am not going to get bent out of shape about this until April and we are on the clock at 9 and all the cameras are focused squarely on Tebow in NYC (assuming he is there) and that knot in my stomach grows exponentially.
Where else would you rather be than right here right now - Marv Levy
Release marshawn and have Tebow be a 6foot 3 running back that can complement fred jackson. He’ll run half the time and pass half the time, and he’ll make us have a pretty darn good wildcat.
Ik everyone will shoot that down, and it wont happen, but the thought of it is something interesting to ponder…
I just don’t see why you would outright release Marshawn. He still has some trade value, even if it’s not excellent. And I’m not sure Tebow has the build to take the pounding of an RB, even a complimentary one. Even if he did, do you want the guy that is throwing 1/3 of your passes to be taking that kind of beating?
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Well I of course like the move........
and I will go on record again…..and say…..drafting Tebow would be a good move for the Bills.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 7, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions
this.
though I’d rather trade back and snag Bulaga if he is available and then try trading back into the 1st.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking more and more...
… that whoever wants Tebow’s going to have to take him in the first round, especially if his motion is cleaned up. If that means #9, so be it.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
You can clean up the motion, but in actual pressure game situations instinct will tend to return for awhile. There have been reports Florida tried to clean it up but in Game situations, the catapult motion would return.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Favre has funky motions
They cleaned them up pretty well in game situations.
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Now if Roethlisberger could just clean up his tendancy for sexual assaults….
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
Nice!
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They dont have anything like the roman catapult that Tebow lugs around...
Now Byron Leftwich’s motion is a much better comparison.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
If his motion is cleaned up FULLY then the question will be is he available at 9 ?
If his motion is “on the way there” and showing a lot of improvement then someone will take a chance on him by mid 2nd at the latest. The Big Q is – who and where ? I think you’re probably right – someone will move up to late 1st if he’s shown a decent amount of improvement.
As for “game situations” well he has training camp , pre-season etc to help with those rough spots.
He is indeed an interesting prospect. I bet he’d laugh if he knew how much he was discussed on all of these blogs :-)
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
If it's fully cleaned up, then he may not be there at 9
But I don’t think his Pro Day will be Stafford-esque. There will be questions that remain. Tebow would need to be perfect. I’m not sold that that type of improvement can be made this fast. A year, probably.
I think the metric is “how much has he improved?”
Which is why I like the idea of Buffalo working him privately. Buffalo will be able to make Tebow does things that are unscripted. If Tebow shows good improvement, then I think 9 overall is a good spot for him.
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That is indeed the big question
The answer will sadly not come until draft day. If the scouts love him they will BS and say – “oh, he showed some improvement – but has a ways to go”
Man, you’d love to see how those “private” workouts go.
Us fans will have to settle for the rundown on the actual pro day.
"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"
All teams are in smokescreen mode
We will never know what’s really going on.
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April
We’ll know after the draft I guess. Still, the supposed “Draft experts” usually manage to piece enough of it together a few days before hand to give you a decent idea (of course 1 or 2 players rise and fall more than they expect, but they get the “area” right on 85 % of the first round.
Tebow may be tougher for thenm to project though.
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As the resident Tebow "guy"....
… this is good news. As Brian mentioned, the Bills are going to check out every QB, not just Tebow. They’ve already met with Clausen. I’m sure Clausen is being asked for a private workout as well. Same for Bradford.
Some things to consider:
- Jim Kelly, good or bad, has the boss’ ear. As Jason from O-hi-O said, his intagibles are through the roof. And he’s got plenty arm strength. That’s going in favor of Buffalo picking Tebow.
- Nix was part of the San Diego front office that traded for Rivers. Remember that Rivers was a 2nd round prospect with a questionable throwing motion and hold position, at the start of the draft process. That works in favor of Tebow being the pick, even at #9.
- Nix was part of the San Diego front office that, despite a bad OL, built it up outside the first round. That works in favor of #9 not being an OT.
- As Sireric said, if Tebow’s throwing motion is cleaned up, what are his flaws? That he can’t read defenses? Clausen is a high pick, in part, precisely because he’s one of the few college QB’s that understands reading defenses. If the motion is cleaned up, his stock skyrockets.
- Gailey is an offensive mind that like mobile QB’s, and has worked with “franchise” QB’s like Kordell Stewart, Jay Fiedler, and Tyler Thigpen, producing good results.
This is just a report and it’s still early, but I can’t say I’m not smiling.
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by Der Jaeger on Mar 7, 2010 7:15 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Question: Just because Tebow was a running QB at Florida, does that make him mobile in the NFL?
Tebow isn’t your Vick type runner. He was more the battering ram. I know he did very well at the combine in the running drills, but I am trying to match that up with what I saw of him during the season and at the Senior Bowl. Tebow didn’t look very elusive in the Senior Bowl. He didn’t make anyone miss him and was caught from behind a few times. Point is, that if Gailey wants a running QB, I am not sure Tebow is your guy.
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I don't think so
I see him more as a McNabb type. Scrambler that can run, not a runner.
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Tebow has mobility
not elusiveness. He won’t be your Drew Bledsoe/Trent Edwards statue in the pocket. If the protection breaks down, he should be able shed defenders and if not pick up a few yards on the ground, at least buy himself time to allow receivers to get open. I am not a Tebow fan. More or less because of his super bowl commercial. And by no means do I feel he is a top 10 pick in the draft. But it wouldnt be the worst thing for us to have a player like him. He would bring a lot of attention, mostly good, to the city of Buffalo. And I feel like his demeanor and competitiveness would be infectious to a city and team that needs it. With that said, our rebuilding process is going to take a long time, I would prefer the Bills took BPA at an area of need (which would only exclude kickers, rbs, and dbs). Tebow does not qualify, regardless of his attempts to fix his throwing motion, as the BPA at #9.
Also, forgot this Joe...
…. Senior Bowl defenses are limited in the coverages that they can play, so we were seeing a zone that was able to come up fast. Also, most of Tebow’s good college runs were designed runs. Evaluating Tebow as a running QB is inaccurate. I think he’ll be effective at scrambling, as I mentioned above. He should be effective at QB sneaks from under center. When he does run, he’ll be smart not to try to run anyone over, unless it’s a John Elway helicopter type situation.
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That is exactly what worries me
Tebow didn’t look comfortable scrambling at the Senior Bowl. I also worry that because he was prone to take off and run when things broke down that we really don’t have a good idea how well he moves in the pocket. Don’t get me wrong, I still like the guy, just trying to be objective.
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He's not the fluid scrambler that Steve Young was...
… but he suffers from the same problem (when Young was, well, young): running instead of fully reading progressions.
Mike Mayock had some great video of Tebow at the Senior Bowl outlining this. Tebow began to run a couple times, but hadn’t crossed the LOS yet. his eyes were on the LB’s. Had he looked up, he would have seen multiple receivers open.
Young did the same thing. It’s not that hard to fix…. with Tebow out of a spread option climate, it shouldn’t be too hard.
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Tebow isn’t your Vick type runner. He was more the battering ram.
Daunte Culpepper anyone?
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well said.....Rec'd
I’m right with you on the Tebow front. I’ve been a supporter from day 1 just like I was hoping the Bills drafted Rivers in 2004. I love QB’s that stay for their whole college career and those that have not only the intangibles but a career full of winning. Can’t ask for much more can you?
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
Rec'd, Der Jaeger. I'd take a winner like Tebow on my team anyday. As simple as that.
by StroudFanClub on Mar 7, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Tebow
Just not with the #9 Pick ever, that would be an epic reach of Darius Heyward Bay proportions
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
If they think they could trade back and still get Tebow, then I'm all for that.
by StroudFanClub on Mar 7, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
In the 2nd round sure.
Most NFL scouts Grade him a 3rd rounder.
I could maybe justify a back half of the 2nd.
Russ Brandon and Ralph would love it, the media attention and buzz, his jersey sales would make up for the loss of TO jersey sales.
But a first rounder is a big reach I think, too big with all the holes we have and a strong QB draft class next year.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow would only be a reach if he didn't turn into a franchise QB
Would Brady be considered a reach if someone had taken him in the 3rd?
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Because if you could take him in the 6th, then you take him in the 6th and
pick someone else you couldn’t pick in the 4th round with your 3rd rounder. That’s why reaches are bad.
by StroudFanClub on Mar 7, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Please mail your crystal ball to OBD so they know when everyone will be drafted :-)
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
at the time yes, in retrospect no.
Does he ever become the player he became if the Detroit lions take him in the 3rd and he has a crappy team around him?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's still a reach to pick Tom Brady in the 3rd round if you know you can
pick him in the 6th round instead. Even if you know he’ll be a HOF’er. Never pick someone a round early if you are convinced you can get him in the next round. You can always then get him and a guy would wouldn’t be able to get if you’d had taken Brady in the 3rd round. Or, if there is nobody there you want, you trade the 3rd rounder and still pick Brady 6th round.
by StroudFanClub on Mar 7, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
if you can read the minds of 31 other GM’s, then you’d have the luxury of knowing when to take a guy that you’re targeting.
Personally, I’m hoping some other team’s(philly?) desire to land McClain will result in the Bills having two 2nd round picks. Then they could still get a top tier OT in round 1, Tebow early round 2 and still have Thomas or Troup available with the second round 2 pick. Nothing lost, but maybe a franchise QB gained for almost nothing.
most of my posts get deleted :(
by dzil on Mar 7, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just not with the #9 Pick ever, that would be an epic reach of Darius Heyward Bay proportions
more like Donte Whitner at #8 overall. He was projected to be top 50 at best.
most of my posts get deleted :(
Yeah that is probably the better comparison.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
- Nix was part of the San Diego front office that traded for Rivers. Remember that Rivers was a 2nd round prospect with a questionable throwing motion and hold position, at the start of the draft process. That works in favor of Tebow being the pick, even at #9.
Rivers had a great Senior Bowl and didn’t have the horrible footwork Tebow has, and was projected as a first round pick. The unorthodox throwing motion and arm strength were the major concerns.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
Rivers’ throwing motion was weird. He had a 3/4 release. He held the ball near the bottom of the breast plate of his shoulder pads with the top of the ball outward. And I forgot about the throwing motion. Rivers did have a great Senior Bowl though.
San Diego had Schottenheimer and his staff coaching the Senior Bowl, and felt comfortable with Rivers. Rivers’ continued a great draft process and rose up draft boards into the top ten.
Tebow’s situation is different in facts, but somewhat similar. Throwing motion flaws and bad footwork. Senior Bowl wasn’t impressive. But if he shows at his Pro Day that the footwork issues and motion have been cleaned up significantly, and the Pro Day is elite (ie: perfect, ball doesn’t hit the ground, accuracy is great, no sign of bad motion), then Tebow begins to rise of draft boards, similar to Rivers.
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And I forgot about the throwing "strength."
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But there are more problems with Tebow.
Ability to read defenses?
Even if footwork and throwing motion are great on pro day, does it stay perfect when under pressure in a game? We won’t have a clue until pre season games start and that is a lousy time to have buyer’s remorse on a #9 pick. There is just no way to evaluate the changes in mechanics and footwork until you get him actually playing again in a real game. He has more flaws and question marks for an NFL prospect than Rivers did heading toward the draft, as you look at the old mock drafts from 2004, the ones from this time of the year mostly had Rivers as a Low first round Pick and then moving up to the top half of the first as the draft approached. You see a few here and there with Tebow at #10 to the Jags for marketing purposes, or a team like New England who has stockpiled picks and have the luxury of a QB already to develop him behind.
To use a 1st rounder on Tebow when he has so many more question marks than Rivers and we have so many holes is unwise.
A 2nd rounder is a reach I think, but a reach a few teams might be willing to make,
But using our #9 on him, Is such a huge risk, when we have so many holes as it is, and we can get someone like Bulaga, fix the line and get a QB from a draft next year that is deep and actually have a good enough line where a prospect has a legitimate shot to develop.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Reading defenses
QB’s that are NFL ready in terms of reading defenses: Clausen.
All the other top QB’s (Bradford, Tebow, McCoy, Pike, Brown, LeFevour) played in spreads that limited reads. Kind of hard to knock Tebow when few college QB’s do it well either.
Rivers was a low first rounder around now… prior to the Senior Bowl he was a high second rounder.
NFL Draft Scout and Scott Wright have Tebow going 22 to New England. So, while not completely comparable, Tebow as a first rounder is out there. And Parcells, Gruden, and Dungy have all called him a first rounder.
Rivers’ big jump came after the Senior Bowl, where his throwing concerns slowly went away. And he kept rising with a good Combine and then a good Pro Day.
Tebow’s big jump will come if he has a good Pro Day. If it’s good, Buffalo won’t get a shot at him at 41. Is 9 overall a reach? Yes. But the only position you reach for is QB.
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Depending on how Roethlisberger’s latest allegation plays out, the Steelers could find themselves very married to the idea of Tim Tebow. Does Ben Roethlisberger now deserve as much criticism as Michael Vick? Do the Steelers dump him if he’s found guilty? Do the Bills make a run for Big Ben?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 8, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
come on
trade for vick and draft tebow. ill be happier than a a bird with a french fry!
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Contradictory
If Tebow’s throwing motion is cleaned up, what are his flaws? That he can’t read defenses? Clausen is a high pick, in part, precisely because he’s one of the few college QB’s that understands reading defenses. If the motion is cleaned up, his stock skyrockets.
His flaws: Inaccurate passer, slow to read progressions & defenses, atrocious throwing motion.
You said
if the motion is cleaned up, his stock skyrockets
but just before that you said
Clausen is a high pick, in part, precisely because he’s one of the few college QB’s that understands reading defenses
if he still can’t read defenses, why would his stock skyrocket? Because he no longer begins his throw by pulling the ball from his back pocket? That still doesn’t fix his inaccuracy or defense-reading issues…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand what you're getting at
His flaws: Inaccurate passer, slow to read progressions & defenses, atrocious throwing motion.
Tebow’s current work is on fixing his motion, which you mentioned. He’s also fixing his footwork. Footwork is usually the culprit of inaccuracy. Clausen is accurate because his footwork is very good, being coached by Charlie Weis for three years.
So, that leaves us with a very talented QB that can’t read defenses. His stock skyrockets because of the things he can do. He’s got a better arm than Clausen or Bradford. He’s deadly accurate on the fade route, leading me to believe that his cleaned up footwork will allow him to at least be in the accuracy conversation with Clausen. He’s bigger and stronger than Clausen or Bradford.
And other than Clausen, no other QB in the class can read a pro defense. They all play in spreads. With QB needy clubs and the importance of the position, his stock will rise significantly.
Also notice that I said “if.”
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by Der Jaeger on Mar 8, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
used to hate Tebow as a prospect, dislike his somewhat preachy attitude on religion (my opinion I dont care if you dont think hes preachy, I do)
But somewhere along the way I realized that the Bills dont have a leader. Tebow can lead.
Hes physically capable of making all the throws he needs to to be able to succeed.
His throwing motion has looked exponentially better in the last 2 months, showing that hes capable of altering it.
He seems more than intelligent enough to master an NFL offense, and is a film-watching machine.
He wants to be a great, and will not settle for failure.
Sounds like an Ideal Franchise QB to me.
And for y’all sceptics out there, how awesome would it be to have ESPN talking about the Bills as much as they talked about the Jets and Mark “Franchez” last year?
So take him at #9 Chix, heck, take him at #3 (after bradford and suh of course) … actually… maybe not at 3… 9 sounds good.
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
as long as Tebow doesn't turn into Reggie White Preachy
then it could at least be overlooked.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
White's got a SB ring
If he turns out to be as good a player as Reggie White, he could be the Protestant Pope for all I care…
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Good to bring up Reggie White. I had forgotten he became so outwardly preachy. I feel better about Tebow’s situation now because in all honesty, I had zero problem with anything about Reggie white the man. ZERO. I never gave his views a second thought when it came to his play on the field.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 8, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Mike Mayock on Tebow
Here’s a guy who’s arguably the best player to ever play college football, yet most NFL scouts will probably put him in the third round."
Former Florida star Tebow oozes intangibles. But his elongated release fueled criticism at the Senior Bowl.
Tebow hired former NFL quarterback and head coach Sam Wyche along with Zeke Bratkowski and Marc Trestman— both with experience as NFL offensive assistants — to revamp his throwing mechanics. The result is a quicker, more compact release, according to Tebow.
“Tebow is never going to look like Sam Bradford, that classic passer,” Mayock says. "But can you modify him to the point where those changes stick under pressure? It’s one thing to go out on your pro day and throw. It’s another thing when you’re facing an overload blitz from the Pittsburgh Steelers and you’re trying to get rid of the football to your hot-read receiver.
seriously people #9 for Tebow?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
Nobody is going to take Tebow that high unless he blows them away at his Pro Day with his new throwing motion
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by Joe P. on Mar 7, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I read this
“Nobody is going to take Tebow that high unless he blows them at his Pro Day”
Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway
that could be the difference between millions...
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
it says scouts.........
sure scouts have some pull…….by GM/coaches make the call……..not the scouts.
The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.
by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Is his throwing motion a concern? Did the Jags just never try to teach Leftwich how to get rid of the ball more quickly or was he just incapable of doing it on the field under live game conditions? If the Jags tried to address the issue was Leftwich just not personally capable of made the adaptation or are throwing motions so ingrained from a decade+ of experience that they can’t be expunged?
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
I would imagine that a throwing motion in football isn’t all that different then a pitcher’s throwing motion in Baseball. Those get tinkered with and changed all the time. I really can’t see how it would be that difficult to fix with good coaching.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
So
I really can’t see how it would be that difficult to fix with good coaching.
would it be a good idea for the Bills to take Tebow??
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
well they have new coaches..so maybe, plus he has had other guys teaching him…
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
If he does improve, I would hire Tresman as QB coach to continue working with him
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by Joe P. on Mar 7, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it is George Corez, but I think Tresman would be an upgrade
I don’t know, make him assistant OC….whatever it takes.
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
Too late....Rex Ryan made him the LBs coach
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
Great Idea!!!!!!!!
Assistant HC/QB Coach
Love it!!!!
rec’d
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Because
I would imagine that a throwing motion in football isn’t all that different then a pitcher’s throwing motion in Baseball. Those get tinkered with and changed all the time. I really can’t see how it would be that difficult to fix with good coaching.
In Baseball you don’t have 275—350lb monsters coming at you trying to take your head off before you can get the ball out.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Mar 7, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
that would be awesome!!!!
I might watch more baseball :-)
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ha!
no that would make it more interesting.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
unless you hit Prince Fielder
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 7, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a matter f the motion and the mechanics. The original question was -
are throwing motions so ingrained from a decade+ of experience that they can’t be expunged
The point is that athletes can change that stuff, it is doable if the athlete in question is willing to work at it. I think that Tebow has proven he is willing to work.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
But then you are making your athlete think, not react instinctively…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
No one is trying to take the pitcher’s head off while he’s throwing the ball.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
you guys completely and totally miss the point…but that isn’t new around here
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
I get your point, I simply dont think it can be changed so easily
if ever at all
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with that completely. When under immense duress could a QB revert to poor mechanics? Sure, but at that point as long as he gets the throw off and it isn’t a turnover who cares what his mechanics are? The simple fact is this – If he can get the ball where it has to be when it has to be there who gives a crap what his arm motion looks like?
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
The defensive ends swiping the ball from this hip really like his delivery
who gives a crap what his arm motion looks like?
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Please read what I wrote:
When under immense duress could a QB revert to poor mechanics? Sure, but at that point as long as he gets the throw off and it isn’t a turnover who cares what his mechanics are?
IF HE CAN GET IT AWAY WHO CARES?!?!?!!?
Please read that as a scream.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Well, at least we would find out if there is a God.
If the Bills drafted Tebow and he lead us to a Super Bowl win, then you can conclude that God does exist……
So theres that.
why not get a jump on things
You would be a HUGE free agent signing ;-)
A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people remembering the same thing!
I’m pretty sure that if there is a God he hates the Bills.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
My head is exploding!!!!
As the resident Ga Bulldogs fan, I’ve posted before my resentment of Mr Tebow… But I recently posted that 3rd round might be OK, I’d just have to shower afterwards…
Anyway, as I’ve been following his progress through the offseason, I’ve changed my mind, and am actually leaning toward second round…. Excuse me, gotta go wipe my a$$…..
OK… I’m back… If the coaching staff likes him, the kid is actually growing on me…. But I would insist on one major thing…. He needs to leave that Gator crap in Fla, where it belongs….
And in his rookie season, Marcus Stroud gets to do the hazing!!!!
Which Gator crap are you referring to?
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He'll box it up
It’ll be all Tebow’s new team, all the time.
BTW, I’m way North of the Fla-Ga border with all my Gator stuff. To include my “My Bulldogs’ name is Gator” shirt.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Bulldogs
Cinga—-spoken like a true Bulldog fan who is sick of seeing the Dawgs get their asses handed to them by the Gators. You will really be pissed this year when Brantley lights up the Dawgs…
Go Gators!!
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What if....
we grabbed Vick from Phily with trading Whitner and a 2011 6th round pick. If we draft Tebow or Lefevour we would be able to bring them along as Vick runs the show. They are all left handed throwers and would not put as much pressure on the 1st round LT we would draft. If we got a solid RT we would be in business. Vick for two years and then Tebow.
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a bunch of us have been pulling for precisely this
If we assume Clausen and Bradford won’t be available at 9, I would like to see Vick run a system designed for Tebow to inherit 3 years down the line.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
do you honestly think the “character” guys Gailey and Nix will seriously consider Vick? I’m guessing they’ve got a man-crush on Tebow though.
most of my posts get deleted :(
i get a feeling
that “character” is just a bunch of talk that can be used whenever its convenient. For example, Vick has paid his dues, is now working with the humane society to help prevent dog fighting, and is much more mature and can teach younger guys to learn from his mistake. Thats “character” if you want it to be, right? I honestly have no idea how interested Chan and Buddy are in Vick, I just know I like the idea.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
wasn’t passing judgment on Vick at all, just restating what’s been reported about what their claimed priorities are. The other thing that you hear frequently from Nix is that he judges players on their “body of work” more than anything. Unfortunately, Vick’s body of work for the last few years has little to do with actually playing football.
most of my posts get deleted :(
oh I wasn't saying
you were passing judgement on Vick, just pointing out that I dont know how important “character” ever really is as it can be defined so loosely. I think Chan and Buddy would be ok with a Vick – Tebow tandem because they know it would buy them time and patience from Ralph and fans. At the end of the day, keeping their jobs will probably trump “character” ideals.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Mar 8, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
one would hope. but it’s the only explanation I can come up with for them not even attempting to re-sign Incognito. Gailey has talked about changing the entire mind-set of the team, focusing on character and discipline. Just makes me wonder.
most of my posts get deleted :(
i hear you on Cogs
but I think Cogs just wasnt what Chan and Bud wanted around a young, impressionable team. You want your vets to be mistake free not mistake prone and Cogs is a penalty machine. Personally, I love the guy and would have wanted him to stay.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Mar 8, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
feel the same about Cogs. However, Demetrius Bell redefines penalty machine. His 10 penalties in only 7.5 games made him the most penalized LT in the league.
most of my posts get deleted :(
yea true
D Bell is in his own league. Though in his defense, it was his first year starting and it wasnt exactly fair of Dick Jauron to throw him into a no huddle LT starting role when he was undrafted and clearly not ready to see playing time.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I’d have loved to pay my dues under house arrest in a mansion after declaring bankruptcy.
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 8, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
what?
you do know he spent over a year in real prison right?
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
two i thought
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
"Vick" and "mature"....
don’t belong in the same discussion… Everyone remembers his dogfight days, but forget his flipping off the fans in ATL (more than once), and his contributions to the herpes epidemic…
He’s got a very long ways to go before anyone can put a “mature” tag on him…
people are very worried about Tebow's legitimacy as a QB
so what good would it do him to learn behind a glorified runningback who’s been terrible throwing his entire career?
Draft Eric Decker in the 2nd!!! Eric Decker > Golden Tate
by NordicBillsfan on Mar 8, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
no one wants him to learn behind Vick
vick would hold down the fort and provide the Bills with instant production at quarterback while Tebow is taught and developed by the coaching staff for 2-4 years. If Tebow gets the time he needs to learn a system, fix his mechanics and observe the mentality and behavior of an NFL locker room he will be more effectively able to adapt his quarterback AND leadership skills to the next level. Vick would give us something to watch and allow the coaching and management crews to build a proper offensive line, receiving corp and running game – not to mention defense – around an unorthodox quarterback who can move.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
for those of us that believe this, it is still an understatement
people are very worried about Tebow’s legitimacy as a QB
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Because that's where he is heading but as a power back and not a speed guy. IMO
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 9, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
been preaching this for awhile
except the whole donte AND a draft pick. donte straight up or a 5th maybe 4th for vick. let tebow learn and it will be alllll good.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Why. Gailey has proven to make the most out of nothing at QB before.
Fat, Drunk, & Stupid is No way to go through life.
Why all the debate??
Tim Tebow is a proven winning quarterback with awesome physical skills; so what’s the debate?? Mechanics, schmechanics. Good Grief….. The man can play. He is a class act. What have we had at QB for the last 10 years??
Do what we have to and sign Tim Tebow. He is not Ryan Leaf. Sign the man.
alittle devils advocate action
if you saw him at the senior bowl, you probably wouldnt be tut tutting the mechanics issues,
in only a few attempts he fumbled twice due to his throwing motion dip.. thats a HUGE red flag considering he was playing against college players, albeit only the good ones
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
one fumble was from the snap i think
the other was a strip. he hadnt worked on his motion before the senior bowl, which is precisely what hes doing now. can you imagine if he has been able to make considerable promise in only a month? imagine what he could do in a year!
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
oh yea, your right on the snap fumble
but i distinctly remember it being discussed that he had been working on his throwing motion since the season had ended. and the senior bowl is live action situation, a tape of him doing drills with his coaches is very far from the same thing.
Meyer claims he did the same thing with his motion a few years back, and that once gametime came it went right back to elongation…
but like I said, thats all just bein devils advocate… I wouldnt even mind tebow at 9
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
meyer is saying that to save recruits
meyer did the ol “if it aint broke dont fix it” routine. and i dont blame him. tebow won tons of games with that funky motion.
as far as i know. tebow worked on it some, but mainly worked on taking snaps from center before the senior bowl. he hadnt really starter working on his throwing motion until after. thats why he didnt throw at the combine. he doesnt want to unveil his new motion to anyone until he can become comfortable on target with it. no reason to do that in the senior bowl. honestly, i dont know why he played that game. his accuracy was good tho with 8-12 completions. i say draft tebow, late first or with pick 41, then try to pick up cooper in the 5th. it would be a great pairing, and i think cooper will be a late round find. good number 2 wr.
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
well according to DJ several weeks ago in the other Tebow thread,
bq. Tebow doesn’t do this for every throw. Interestingly, he throws just as well when he doesn’t dip the ball as when he dips the ball.
and I trust every word that dude writes
i just dont understand why he would want to put all of the onus on bumping his draft stock onto his pro day workout when a decent senior bowl showing would have done wonders for him… instead he lost alot of ground that day
but if your right on him working mostly on snaps then that would make more sense
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
s’spposed to be a quote there
Tebow doesn’t do this for every throw. Interestingly, he throws just as well when he doesn’t dip the ball as when he dips the ball.
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
and just found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arJsVtGUfCY&feature=related
its dated last spring… so i guess he wasnt completely lying then…
we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
my understanding is he hasnt worked on his motion till after the senior bowl.
hes putting his stock on the pro day because he will be throwing to his wrs in his stadium with his coaches. whether thats a good enough reason or not, im thinkin thats why hes doing it. not to mention that he can stretch out a couple more weeks to do it at pro day than the combine or senior bowl. this way he can really hone it in.
interesting on how often he throws it the ways he does. i wonder if theres a correlation to how far he dips the ball, and how far he throws it? like lower dips mean longer balls…
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea why Tebow is so polarizing. I agree with the anti-Tebow people out there in that the whole “he’s a winner and a class act” argument is flimsy. I agree with the Tebow-fans in that I like his physical attributes. Overall, he’s just another college prospect- more than half of them end up complete busts- it’s all just throwing darts at a dartboard. I’m just glad that Buffalo is looking at high profile QBs in this draft. The one camp I’ll never agree with is the “wait for 2011” wafflers out there. Gregg Williams, Mike Mularkey, and Dick Jauron all spent their first year with a QB they didn’t really like and we can all see how their piss-poor tenures turned out…there’s no better time to get the QB of the future in here because the QBs of the present on this roster are all CFL-bound by 2011 anyway.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
by Port Royal on Mar 7, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
then I guess we shoulda kept Jauron until the team was bad enough that they could get a QB worth drafting in the 1st
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-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I just don’t pretend to be a scout. I don’t know the entire college landscape to have a real idea of who is the 41st best player compared to the 51st best player…I DO know the Bills enough to know aht positions on that roster are an absolute joke…I’d start with Trent Edwards anbd Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
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Goooood, join the grey side….
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by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 8, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im not a waffler, from the end of the college year I have been saying I dont like any of the QBs this year
The one camp I’ll never agree with is the "wait for 2011" wafflers out there
You dont’ have to agree with me, but my stance is that next years QB class will be better. I have been anti-draft-a-big-name-QB-this-year (Bradford,Claussen, Tebow, McCoy) the whole time.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
This is probably not the most appropriate place
for this. But I just wanted to point out the difference between this forum and others in the SBN. No matter what is said by everyone in this forum, the editors of this site always have clear, concise, and rational explanations and arguments for every topic. At least if we can’t have a winning franchise to follow, we can read well-written articles. This article is from the Chargers forum in which one of their columnists suggest that Vincent Jackson is worth the #3 overall pick in the draft and that Darren Sproles, as a backup to the Rams, would be worth the first pick in the second round. Is that absurd to anyone else?
I think it'd kind of funny
Why would the Chargers fans want the #3 pick instead of a fantastic WR in Jackson? Hilarious.
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duh, Only Megatron is worth that high of a pick, who cares if hes proven
/sarcasm
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 7, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jay Barker was a “winner”. So was Ken Dorsey. So was Tony Rice. So was Tommie Frazier.
Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.
yea but this guy is the best ever. Calling him a bust already is a joke. Your mocking his mechanics….right? He has a huge arm, is extrememly accurate. Go tell Philip Rivers you don’t want him because he throws side aremed, or Kurt Warner. Seriously man, this guy is a winner and the only knock he has is that his mechanics are off, and he is working on that. By the time his pro day hits, im sure he will impress. He is a hard worker and dedicated to winner….remind me why you don’t want a QB with these traits running your football team?
Hoe many game has he won in the NFL?
ZERO
Please stop calling him a winner and expecting him to conintue his “college-ways” in the Pros. Not Likely.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
you dont know that its not likely.......
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
why are you so sure he will suck? just curious? The only knock he has is his mechanics on how to throw the ball and his footwork which he is working 9-5 on everyday. His job is to correct that, and he will, he is determined. So the only knock is that his mechanics are bad right? He has arm strength, accuracy, and the ability to run people over if need be. He is smart, a damn hard worker and wants to win. Again, please enlighten me on why you think he would suck? If all it is is mechanics then i guess philip rivers would have never made it too right?
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that is all
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hahahahaha
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I am a supporter of bringing Tebow to Buffalo
but even I have to say that taking Tebow at 9 may be jumping the gun a bit.
I do think Tebow has a good chance of making it to the second round at pick 41 and if not that, at least he will fall to the late 1st and we can try and trade back or up to get him. I can’t imagine the Jags going through with Tebow at 9. As of right now, Troy Williamson is looking to become their number 1 receiver, they need defensive help badly, and there are holes in their o-line. The Jags would not pass on Dez Bryant if hes there and David Garrard is the least of their concerns.
Personally, I would be very happy if we drafted Tebow if Bradford was gone by 9.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
you forgot about mike sims walker
didnt he turn out to be a wr stud for them last year? maybe im wrong, i dont feel like looking it up before i sound stupid.
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
if
63 catches, 800 yards and 7 TDs is a stud receiver then yes, he and TO were both studs last year! haha
No, your not really wrong, Sims Walker broke out for sure but I think its too early to call him a stud. He seemed hot and cold last season. He is only 25 but if I’m not mistaken the Jags expect Troy Williamson to be their number 1 and Sims Walker their number 2
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
yea maybe "stud" was a bit far ha
but my point was would they really be interested in dez if they have two very capable 1 and 2? i think they would be looking at a slot guy, someone like reed actually…..
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
in my opinion,. Troy Williamson has done nothing to prove hes a capable number 1 or number 2. Mike Sims Walker is nice but unless Garrard has real targets to throw to, MJD won’t be able to get the job done. I think Dez Bryant makes a ton of sense for a Jags team that has been receiver starved for years. They actually brought in Torry Holt to be their number 1 last year, thats desperation!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
he is proving his work ethic already
id take him at number one just knowing he would do whatever it takes to be a help to my team, qb, tight end damn he could be a linebacker hahaha
T-Bow or not!!
As a T-Bow fan and a Gator fan of course I would enjoy seeing him in Buffalo. Let’s face it he is the type of player with his strengths and weaknesses that makes for a great debate.
If he some how manages to end up with the Bills he will undoubtedly bring so much press coverage that the Bills will be on TV & in the news continually. Hopefully, that will translate into other players wanting to play for the Bills like they did for the Gators…
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I ask this question completely out of curiosity, and with absolutely zilch in the way of ulterior motives:
Why is T-Bow a more desirable way to spell Tebow? You’re actually pressing more keys…
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
hahahahahhaah
sometimes Brian, its not about the convenience, its about the fan – player connection! Schouman takes less keys to right than Shoe-Man but I do it anyway because he is the Shoe-Man and it just seems like the right thing for me to do.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
There's a good bit of talk in here about LT being the "MUST" pick at 9 (warning, lots of finger quotes follow)...
saying that if the Bills were “crazy” enough to even think about taking Tebow at that time, they’d give up rooting; that it’d be a huge mistake. Well, perhaps it could be, only because Tebow’s a known “work in progress.”
Tell me. All those guys projected to be “great” fits for the team at 9, are they sure-fire picks? Are they guranteed to come in week 1 and dominate…to even start? There’s no sure thing in the NFL. I’m not necessarily saying the team should take him with the #9 pick, but i’m also thinking it’s best to stop saying that because he’s a unique type of QB, he’s destined to be a bust. Mike Williams was supposed to be a sure thing. Erik Flowers was supposed to be a sure thing. I could go on about “sure things” that were drafted to address need areas.
The team has guys on the team where one more than likely (barring a Thiggy trade) will be the team’s starter week 1. They’re not exactly franchise QBs at this point, and I don’t think any had the intangibles in college that Tebow has at this point in his career.
I guess it’s important for me to think hard about this guy before I dismiss his ability to help a franchise in need of an identity, our beloved Bills.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 8, 2010 9:59 AM EST reply actions
when a player works out privately for a team, where is the work out held? at the player’s college campus or the nfl team’s facility?
Good question
I believe they’re probably at the college campus.
Tebow is scheduled to workout for the Bills and Seahawks the day after Florida’s Pro Day. It’s highly unlikely he’ll be flying all the way to Seattle and Buffalo within a day.
Another factor would be having receivers to throw to for a QB’s workout. I’m guessing Evans, Hardy and Johnson aren’t sitting around Buffalo right now to take part in these workouts…
I’m sure teams also work out other players during these individual workouts. They get a chance to see what these players can do instead of just running through the Pro Day workouts. If the Bills want to see Riley Cooper catch passes from Tebow and then show them nothing but route running, that’s what they can do…
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