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Bills ink OT Green to three-year deal

Jason La Canfora at NFL.com is reporting that the Buffalo Bills have reached an agreement with free agent tackle Cornell Green on a three-year, $9 million deal.

Green, 33, is a 10-year veteran with plenty of starting experienced, having logged 38 starts over the past three seasons, all of which he's spent with the Oakland Raiders. The vast majority of those starts came at right tackle, though he did log a few starts on the left side earlier in his career.

Buffalo was in need of tackle depth before the retirement of Brad Butler; that need became dire, and directly led to Green's signing. The Bills are likely to continue to add depth along the offensive line, so we'll pencil Green in as the lead dog in what could turn into an open competition for the right tackle spot between Green, Demetrius Bell and Jamon Meredith.

The contract seems a little steep for what basically amounts to a "for competition's sake" signing, but the contract, at least, is not prohibitive. Green struggled last season in Oakland, giving up several sacks and, more importantly, providing the Raiders a plethora of untimely penalties.

Green is one of just two free agents to visit One Bills Drive through the first four days of NFL free agency. The first, former Chiefs guard Wade Smith, was in Houston today for a visit with the Texans.

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Left Tackle?

Are we assuming that the starting LT will be drafted?

"It took twenty five years to get there, and they did it in championship style" - Van Miller 1/20/91.

by Michael_Necci on Mar 8, 2010 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

We have to because I sure as hell don’t want Green at RT.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

?

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 9, 2010 6:44 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 9, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I ment that I sure as hell dont want Green as our starting LT, not RT. Typo.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

he’ll be a RT

We got the tools, We got the talent

by J2 on Mar 9, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a typo. I want him as a RT, I don`t want to see him spend any time at LT.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

RT

and hopefully he will be depth. or the first round of cuts. he was awful on the raiders. he was never really great anywhere. hoping that he doesn’t make the final cut. simple as that. throw kirk chambers in if you want someone who just plain doesn’t belong in the nfl anymore on your starting offensive line.

FS Jairus Byrd aka the Buffalo Bills' Silver Lining

by Ren Diggity on Mar 9, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

or the first round of cuts

Your gonna be dissapointed if you think Green is gonna fall victim to this.

by mob16151 on Mar 9, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

we all will be disappointed

if he doesn’t

FS Jairus Byrd aka the Buffalo Bills' Silver Lining

by Ren Diggity on Mar 9, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Just check on NFL Vet Salary for 10+ years

2010
$860,000
2011
$875,000
2012
$890,000

So we definitely paid more than NFL vet minimum…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

right we did.......but we dont know how the contract was loaded.

i.e signing bonus, incentives, guaranteed money etc……..so just going by the AVG 3 mil a year is not the most proper way of looking at it………sure it makes it simple though.

Compare to last year Hang got 5 mil……….salary and he was a starter…..not nearly as much experience.

Butler got 2 mil last year and he’d been in the league what 4 years?

Wood got almost 3 mil as well last year…….

So its not as cheap as I first though…….but its not outrageous either….

Its not Langston Walker or Dock kinda money for sure.

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Its not gonna break us

If he beats out Bell and Meredith for the RT spot, then fine. If not, he is an expensive backup…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Well plus you have to imagine.......

if they really wanted this guy they were gonna have to throw a bit more money at him to get him to stay……because as we have seen……if they leave…….than thats usually the end of it.,

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

gotta be better than Oak

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

NOW DOES EVERYONE SEE WHY PEOPLE LIKE ME WERE SO UP IN ARMS ABOUT RICHIE?!

We could have procured a year of Richie’s service, whether that was bench warming or starting for $1.25M. And now we willingly paid $3M / year for a guy who’s proven for years that he sucks.

by BobHamis on Mar 9, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

What in the name of Dockery is going on here?

I like Bob’s point. Rich wasn’t the best but he was better than this guy. I guess Chix viewed we needed more T depth than G.

by Moose68 on Mar 9, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Viewed

Yeah, and Chix’s view would make sense to me. Seeing how T position was like a revolving door.

by buffalobacker on Mar 9, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

good experience

should be starting RT and draft LT 1st

this could work nice if Bell and or Marideth develope behind him

 we will be set on the line for a while

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

But there is little chance of Bell and Meredith developing behind him since they are already better OT’s than he is. About the only thing they can learn from him is how not to play the position (unless the object is to give up as many sacks as possible). I’ve seen a lot of Bills FA signings over the last thirty years, but this one may be the absolute bottom of the barrel.

by Macktruck on Mar 8, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

come on

The Steelers just signed Jon Scott, this kind of stuff isnt the Bills being stupid, its filling out the roster. Frankly, I’d take a guy who has experience in the league and has started for three years than Jon Scott. Considering how decimated we were by injuries the more experienced bodies on the line the better. This is definitely not the worst free agent signing ever.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And Green as a better OT than both Bell and Meridith at this point. He was one of few bright spots on the Raider’s line.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You are aware, I hope, that he gave up over seven sacks a year for the last three years, as well as committing 28 penalties in that time. Last year he committed 12 penalties in 12 games. And he is about to turn 34. I’m sorry, but I would prefer Jonathan Scott to Green at this point (and that’s not saying much). Let’s all hope for the team’s sake that he doesn’t make it onto the 53-man roster.

by Macktruck on Mar 9, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

His contract would suggest

That the Bill’s view him as a roster lock. At least in 2010

by mob16151 on Mar 9, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Let’s all hope for the team’s sake that he doesn’t make it onto the 53-man roster.

Why? He has starting experience and our o-line is extremely inexperienced. Let him compete, its not like we have enough talent to shove this guy to the unemployment line. We’re rebuilding, and considering our injury history, I’d like to have a guy who has started available to come in instead of forcing guys like Meredith, Bell, and Scott who had never taken NFL snaps to get overwhelmed.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 9, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry Poz, but rebuilding and 33 year old inept tackle acquisition don’t belong in the same sentence. If he actually had some positive attributes to demonstrate for younger players, then maybe I could see a reason to offer the guy a league-minimum shot. Naming him the starter(with a starter salary), at this point, makes me wonder what sort of decision making choices we can expect from our new leadership. I’m already fighting that back that familiar Bills fan sinking feeling…

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 9, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, not great, but good signing.

Hoping that Green ends up being a depth player, though.

Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway

by Der Jaeger on Mar 8, 2010 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

yeah me too. If hes depth I will be alot happier about this signing.

"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST

by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm relatively happy about this signing

first of all, now maybe all the pissin & moanin about how the Bills let the offensive powerhouse Wade Smith leave without a contract will stop and most importantly, we signed a player with quality experience at a need position. Good signing, now how bout some DL & WR help if possible

"The ball is like a cold to Clifford Franklin..... Clifford Franklin the only one catchin' it....Clifford Franklin the only one comin' down wit it!"....... Clifford Franklin

by Jax Bills Fan on Mar 8, 2010 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

maybe we could end up with him again for less

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

wouldnt that be something?

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

right

i woulod be ok with it we are gunna need some WR help against the jets

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

we are gunna need some WR help against the jets

You can say that again. But that would be kind of funny if he did end up re-signing with us. I would like it.

"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST

by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

so would all the people who baught his jersey last year

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

…me haha

"Its always Miller Time
Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
- by Jsz on Mar 3, 2010 6:25 PM PST

by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

uh we need WR help against everyone.........

not just the Jets.

:-)

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

ha yeah

but the better those guys look the more i hate them

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

understandable.

Thats how I feel about the Dolphins and Cowboys.

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

call it jealousy

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

mines just pure dislike.....

I just like to see them fail.

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

that too

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe

we could get him for $56K a catch vs. the $118K in ’09

"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"

by fansince60 on Mar 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy now, everyone in the “just sign someone anyone” camp?

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub. Until I get the newsletter out, anyway.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Big East Champs!!! G'Orange!

by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

Hope the guarantees are small

The financial impact wouldn’t be so bad that way.

I hope he turns into a depth player, but at least we were able to be bring in a guy with starting experience. Let’s take a RT prospect in the mid/late rounds now.

Time for a C/G now…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2010 5:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

i would wait on the RT to next year

and draft as many LB’s and DL as possible

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s take a RT prospect in the mid/late rounds now.

They really don’t need to take one at all with him around and Bell/Merideth sticking around, I think. C/G I agree with tho.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub. Until I get the newsletter out, anyway.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Big East Champs!!! G'Orange!

by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

I don’t really see Bell or Meredith as RT’s. Neither has the bulk or strength, IMO, at least yet….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

depth is the key word

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to start an arguement, but I believe we just signed our starting Right Tackle.

Based on the 9 million dollar offer, He better be our starter and better be good enough to start.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Mar 8, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

whether he is or isnt

he has still provided depth at the position…

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW

so doesn’t Jarmon Meredith.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Mar 8, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not quality depth no.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree. Or at least our starting RT until bell steps up his game.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Bring in Mawae for a year. he will be able to not only play better than anyone on our interior but he will be able to coach along the younger guys like Wood and Levitre. This in my opinion would be a great sign for both production and experience/teaching purposes.

by csc06258 on Mar 9, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

our first non-practice squad acquisition of the 2010 season! moving up in the world. next stop, playoffs. woo hoo.
/more sarcasm
:-)

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

SARCASTIC TITLE

WITTY COMMENT

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub. Until I get the newsletter out, anyway.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Big East Champs!!! G'Orange!

by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be on board with that

"The ball is like a cold to Clifford Franklin..... Clifford Franklin the only one catchin' it....Clifford Franklin the only one comin' down wit it!"....... Clifford Franklin

by Jax Bills Fan on Mar 8, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

the move is

in keeping with the “age” motif we’re going for this year! Wrinkles are in! 34 is the new – oh never mind.

"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"

by fansince60 on Mar 8, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

34 is the new 43, amirite

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub. Until I get the newsletter out, anyway.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Big East Champs!!! G'Orange!

by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

if you're

talking knees of O linemen it might be the new 53!

"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"

by fansince60 on Mar 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

what about Clifton

Had we been able to steal him from the Packers, all the age talk would be nonexistent….he’s gonna be 34 in June

"The ball is like a cold to Clifford Franklin..... Clifford Franklin the only one catchin' it....Clifford Franklin the only one comin' down wit it!"....... Clifford Franklin

by Jax Bills Fan on Mar 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

well we dont really have any quality experience on the line

we have some age in the depth but those guys have little talent

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

I’m still waiting to read a positive on this guy. This appears to be a foolish signing at first glance. Buffalo would be much better off signing young veterans rather than 33-year-old Raiders’ cast-offs…thumbs down.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe the fan base should have stopped whining about how they weren’t signing anybody if they didn’t want them to start signing bad players.

I saw this coming a mile away.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub. Until I get the newsletter out, anyway.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Big East Champs!!! G'Orange!

by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Those damn whiney fans

Selling out every game for years to support a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in a decade. Where do they get the nerve?

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 8, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said the fans aren’t supportive.

Just saying they’re being dumb here. The Bills are signing people after the fans said to sign people. The problem is there’s nobody to sign that
1. Wants to play in Buffalo
2. Is really worth a starting spot on a good team.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub. Until I get the newsletter out, anyway.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Big East Champs!!! G'Orange!

by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody better than the Cornell Green's of the world anyway.

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub. Until I get the newsletter out, anyway.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Big East Champs!!! G'Orange!

by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but if a guy qualifies as 1 and 2, you have to wonder about the terms of the deal. Like others, hopefully the guarantees are small b/c I’m hoping he’s a competition guy…..we’ll see.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Mar 8, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Who's being dumb, Bills or Fans?

You can’t really believe the Bills are signing players because the fans say to? Heck, if that was the case we’d have won at least one SB by now if it was that easy. I really think ypu’re trying to bait some of us whiners that don’t happen to think the way you do.

Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!

by UtahBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Better than buying Direct TV to watch the LA Bills

Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway

by Der Jaeger on Mar 8, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

id rather a raiders cast off

who has actual starting experience and can hold his own, than another practice squad guy for depth when injuries plague the bills again. dont you?

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

name 2 tackles under 30 that are available

and by available I mean not having to give up a single draft pick or 7 mil a year

"The ball is like a cold to Clifford Franklin..... Clifford Franklin the only one catchin' it....Clifford Franklin the only one comin' down wit it!"....... Clifford Franklin

by Jax Bills Fan on Mar 8, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Not a lot out there, may have overpaid, but if you look at the list of choices, not really much if anything out there that would be better that Green.

by billsfan69 on Mar 8, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Why the stipulations?

Philly didn’t have such stipulations when bamboozling us to grab Jason peters last year. I’m not going to peruse a list of free agents and come up with winners. Buffalo doesn’t pay my salary, they pay Buddy Nix’s…the reports on this guy are bad. Maybe he’ll surprise, we;ll have to wait and see, but at first glance, I see this as a garbage pickup.

Just say no...to Trent Edwards at QB.

by Port Royal on Mar 8, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

 Peter’s was leaving one way or another, nobody stole him from us.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

bamboozling us to grab Jason peters last year

Wow. Where to start?

How about with the fact that Peters wanted out and even if we refused to deal him, he would have never played another game in a Bills uniform.

Or how about the fact that the Eagles were the only team willing to give us a first rounder for him? Let alone 3 picks in total.

Or the fact that we used the picks that we got from the Eagles last year to draft the core of our interior line for the next 5 to 10 years.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Pashos and Hicks may not be that young, but they are infinitely better OT’s than Cornell Green and would not have cost that much more. The Browns got Pashos for $10 million for 3 years. Why didn’t we at least try to outbid them? This was a very dumb move. The downgrade from Brad Butler is simply enormous.

by Macktruck on Mar 8, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i would disagree that it is an enormous downgrade from butler

he was always injured and was better at G

"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-

by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Trick questions

There were only two to start with: Terry and Pashos.

Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway

by Der Jaeger on Mar 8, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we did alright in the Peters trade

we got rid of an overrated player who was more concerned about money than anything and got a few picks in return…… I’d make that trade any day in spite of the fact of all the problems we had on the OL last year…. Peters may have helped our situation last year but his trade certainly didn’t spell doom ……..

"The ball is like a cold to Clifford Franklin..... Clifford Franklin the only one catchin' it....Clifford Franklin the only one comin' down wit it!"....... Clifford Franklin

by Jax Bills Fan on Mar 8, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely DON'T agree

Everyone knows how hard it is to find a capable LT to watch the backside of a QB. Peters def not overrated. I think the Eagles got him cheap and solidified McNabb’s blind side. The Bills just don’t want to pay. How many contract disputes did Bruce Smith have during his stay? Why did Bill Polian get fired?

by blknites on Mar 8, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i wish perry fewell was still here for this

greene would have all of his fingers chopped off for false starts.

by sketchydave on Mar 8, 2010 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

I like this signing

Chan Gailey’s offense and its implementation will require guys who understand the NFL and its language, styles, and schemes. Meredith and Bell couldn’t be further from that as both are raw. Chan will probably give the vet a heads up in the competition for RT because of experience alone. I wouldn’t mind letting Green, Meredith and Bell have a training camp battle for RT and leave it at that – winner starts based on merit. I think RT is officially addressed for this upcoming season. Meredith and Bell will have more time to develop and overtake Green even if they lose out to him this training camp.

Next good signing? If trading Marshawn Lynch to RB starved San Diego comes to fruition lets grab Justin Fargas from Oakland too.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 6:16 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I like Fargas..........

but I wouldnt count on getting him.

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

"The ball is like a cold to Clifford Franklin..... Clifford Franklin the only one catchin' it....Clifford Franklin the only one comin' down wit it!"....... Clifford Franklin

by Jax Bills Fan on Mar 8, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Lynch

Poz, if we trade Lynch to SD (and get a 3rd or better) I’ll be grabbing a bottle of Bourbon rather than Fargas ! Extra day 2 picks seem juicy at this point !

"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"

by Will G on Mar 8, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

A beggining

Well at least it is a start. We need around 15 – 20 bodies with our holes and the 3-4. At least we have one on board who will either start or offer depth.

For those freaking out re 3 years for 9 mill. Look at his age – I’d imagine the odds are very short that a lot of the money is in year 3 – and he’ll never see it ! Guys who are low tier and 33 or so years old generally do not see the last year of the deal.

So in the worst case we likely signed a low starter or good depth and he’ll likely see abour 4 – 5 mill over 2 years. That is not the end of the world.

Now, more bodies in the next week or so please. Lets fill some depth or maybe even a starter somewhere. No need to rush, but we do need some more guys before hte draft.

"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"

by Will G on Mar 8, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

if he stinks, he’ll likely get released and re-signed to the P.S.
Not sure why anybody cares what he gets paid anyway.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Lilja!

Colts starting guard released…only 28 maybe tooooo young!

"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"

by fansince60 on Mar 8, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

Starter ?

Do we really need a starting Guard if Wood is healthy ? wood and Levitre should be the long term starters – dont we need depth there instead of starters ?

Does anyone think a colts starter would come to Buffalo to be a backup ?

Now if you brought some other LT options up I’d be keen to hear them.

"Fan ?" You want to talk about being a fan of the Bills ? Try getting up at 3 AM every Monday to watch their games knowing they'll likely lose. Do this for 18 years and then call yourself a "fan"

by Will G on Mar 8, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Is wood healthy though?

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by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

ah

the 64,000 dollar question. and i put it to you. would it be terrible to sign this guy and let wood have the entire year to heal that way its done correctly and he doesnt become a brad butler??

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly and wood could go to C

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by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Who knows

Unless you know that Wood is out for over a year then you don’t sign a starter on starters money. whats the point ? You tie up cap (when the cap returns) Hang did fine at Centre – so what he goes to over priced backup then ?

Wood and Levitre were drafted to be the future at guard – barring a very long term injury they should be left there. Signing a starting guard makes very little sense considering the spots we actually need starters at.

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by Will G on Mar 8, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yes cuz when wood is better he can go to C

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by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

that's my thought

plus with that injury he wouldn’t be rushed. I have a feeling it may take time. Either way, it would be a good move.

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by fansince60 on Mar 8, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

almost too good

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by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

yea we do cuz hangartner sucks and wood should be moved to center. Hangartner is horrible and spent most of 09 on his back

by csc06258 on Mar 9, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Just cuz you keep saying that doesn’t make it true. Hang was not a mauler, I’ll give you that. But he was one of the 2 offensive linemen that actually started every game last year and he was playing with 2 rookies on each side for the majority of the year. I’d like to upgrade too, but I don’t think it’s an immediate need as you seem to imply.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 9, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I know he had to have 2 rookies on both sides of him, then rookies at OT.

He was the one that maybe wasn’t the best lineman we had but I’m sure he had some sort of leadership role on the line, being one of the few vets on the OL. He might not be a bruiser but he’s more of a technition at his position, that doesn’t make him a terrible C. I feel that Wood should stay at RG, he could become a great one, then we could use Hang as a stop-gap untill we draft or develop another C ( K. O’ Dowd, IMO he’s great). We have way to many other needs that adding another one this off-season would’nt be smart, use Hang as the stop-gap at C and keep our future OG duo together for years (Wood come back healthy please). I just don’t understand why most people want Wood at C so bad, their will be other options in the future. Lets get our OT’s in order and the front 7 of our new 3-4 together. That’s how I feel about that.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 9, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

 There’s very good talent at the center position available in the mid to late rounds of this years draft. Hopefully the Bills see fit to grab a pick that could swing between center and guard.

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by dzil on Mar 9, 2010 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Would be a great signing if we could get our hands on him. He’s a starting quality player that would allow Wood to move to C and let Hang be great depth at both C and G.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry for deleting the Tebow stuff, folks, but I was seriously about to bleed from the eyes.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, ha. That explains why my posts kept falling.

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by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha. That Tebow talk took off and didnt look back

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

it always will

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

thats for sure… I had to look up at the top of the window to make sure I was still in the Green article

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

awww

what a buzz kill. THANKS BIG BROTHER! haha jk

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

So glad you did.

Tebow is interesting – but not on every post.

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by Will G on Mar 8, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

can you ban a word?

Maybe the “T” word for a couple weeks! anytime someone tries to type it, it won’t post?

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by fansince60 on Mar 8, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s a whole post devoted to him o nthe front page. Why can’t people just use that?

by MattRichWarren on Mar 8, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

poor Dirk Nowitzki happened to make his first and probably only appearance on Buffalo Rumblings in a sub convo between Nor Cal and I that happened to be in the midst of the Tebow talk. Poor Dirk, innocent bystander…..hahhaha

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

haha. Never would have thought a Cornell Green article would have brought up Dirk

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Cornell Green ---> Tim Tebow ----> Dirk Nowitzki

hahah bizarre indeed!

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHA

He even got his first sympathetic post…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for acting quickly. Never saw it.

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by thefourwinds on Mar 8, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian don't like his post hijacked :-(

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by Joe P. on Mar 8, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

its your fault.......

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

but it was fun. I argue both sides of Tebow just for the amusement value.

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The first Gailey/Nix signing!

Nice to have some solid experience. The bit about being penalty prone is worrisome, but beggars can’t be choosers.

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by Undee on Mar 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

but beggars can’t be choosers.

They’re trying their hardest to be

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by UZ on Mar 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

So the Bills still take a tackle at No. 9 right?

Rookie/Bell – Levitre – Hang – Wood – Green/Bell/Meredith

I can probably live with it.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 8, 2010 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

Good visual...

Thats how I see our O-line next year… wouldnt mind Mawae in at C though…

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d rather we sign another guard and move Wood to C.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

eventually yes, I want Wood at center. But I think a year or two learning from Mawae could even turn out better for Wood. But totally agree on Wood being the eventual center

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by bflo on Mar 9, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Learning behind Mawae would deffinatly have some merit. Question is would Mawae even be interested in playing for us. My bet is that no, he wouldn`t be.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I doubt he’ll have much interest in Buffalo, but he would be a nice mentor to Wood.

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by bflo on Mar 9, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like good line to me, or at least a good improvement over last year’s.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Still a well below average line

Unless that rookie is a Bulaga or Davis….Then it might be solid….

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by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats what I`m really hoping. Add a firt round LT and we have a very decent line, and a huge upgrade over last year’s.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a big fan of this deal. I’d like it a lot more if it was 2 years, 5 mil or something along those lines. To me, this is classic Bills. And I hate that I’ve got the compare the new FO with what happened under Jauron, but when I see a versatile and pretty decent player in Artis Hicks sign for 3 years, 9 mil and then watch Buffalo go out and add a below average player for the same total, all I can think is that it’s the same old Bills. I’ve been a defender of Brandon and his role with the team, I’ve defended the competance of Buddy Nix, but they’re going to have to do better than this to win me over. And I don’t mean better, as in much better players or lots of significant moves. I just want Buffalo to find value in the free agent market instead of overpaying for barely passable starters. Hopefully there isn’t much guaranteed money or the deal is backloaded with unguaranteed salary because if it’s not, I think Buffalo just did the one thing that I thought they couldn’t afford to do and that’s overpay for guys who aren’t even that good of stop gaps.

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by kaisertown on Mar 8, 2010 6:29 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

the Bills always have to overpay though

Do get Cornell to sign here we probably had to offer him the 3 mil a year deal and give him verbal assurance of an open competition to start at RT. We would have had to offer Artis Hicks something like 5 mil to come here. Obviously, I have no proof of that, but it just seems to be a rule. I’d rather give this kind of non-prohibitive deal to a guy who can step in for one or two years while Bell / Meredith develop and let the new regime save more money for more impact signings than get Hicks for more than he deserves.

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

but it just seems to be a rule.

This meaning a rule that the Bills have to overpay for players, like how TO wasnt generating any interest last year but we still had to give him 6.5 mil.

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m glad you mentioned the deal not being prohibitive, because it’s not. Not that kaiser was implying that it is, but I also tend to agree with kaiser – it seems a little rich.

And seriously, this guy has STRUGGLED with a capital STRUGGLED with penalties. Cannot emphasize that enough.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Bills have to overpay for good players, or even guys like Artis Hicks. But I don’t think that a guy like Cornell Green is getting this kind of money or this kind of playing time opportunity with any other team in the league.

I don’t have a problem with Buffalo not signing Hicks or getting a player as decent as him for that price. My problem is with giving a really, really mediocre player, who probably shouldn’t be starting, the same money as Washington gave Hicks. If Buffalo can’t compete with Shanahan and Washington for the best mid tier FAs, then that’s fine. But don’t overpay for bad players when a cheaper FA, or maybe the same guy in a couple weeks, could come in and do the exact same job.

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by kaisertown on Mar 8, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But I don’t think that a guy like Cornell Green is getting this kind of money or this kind of playing time opportunity with any other team in the league.

Sadly, though, I think this is what we have to offer to get even guys like him to come here. Why would Green want to come play in Buffalo where the team is completely rebuilding and there is a national stigma of being boring and cold when another team which has a national stigma of being an exciting and warm city and is a contender for a ring is offering him the same thing? The only thing we can offer is more money and more playing time right now. A team can usually get by in free agency with one of the two – a rebuilding team in a city that has a great national stigma as being exciting and warm and fun or a tough, well established program that is in a city with a not so great national stigma, like Pittsburgh and Green Bay right now. Unfortunately we don’t have either one right now.

Since we have to overpay, and since we might be hoping that Bell or Meredith can be the answer down the road at RT, why not overpay at 3 mil for a worse aging player than overpay whatever would have cost Hicks, another aging player if both are only stopgaps? The stopgap is obviously necessary and this is just the reality of being a rebuilding team in an unfairly perceived city like Buffalo.

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

so you’re saying the Bills are the NFL equivalent of The Land Of Misfit Toys. :-)

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

im a charlie in the box!

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

haha right now? yes, I am

this team has to rebuild through the draft before it can ever hope to sign anyone for a good deal. Actually, we don’t even need to rebuild, we need players to think we have a future, we need a quarterback for the love of God! Until this team has a franchise QB, a decent offensive line, or snaps the losing streak to the Patriots in a big way, players won’t want to come here and get pummeled by the Patriots every year in the division in addition to the fact that we have to battle ESPN and everyone elses impressions of Buffalo.

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha funny analogy

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

its also

another reason, why I like that we have Nix. Trading may be our best way to get good talent now and he has connections to the Chargers who have a lot of restricted talent.

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Nix would then be Yukon Cornelius. in search of the mythical Bills abominable left tackle. I get it now.

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

silver and gold, silver and gold.....

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

does that make Ralph, Santa? haha

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s looks more like scrooge

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

or the grinch

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

haha true, at least you kept the x-mas theme going.

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

And Chan could be the dentist!

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 8, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

Because you typed out the sound affect he makes when tasting his ice pick lol

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

By far the biggest slap to my face so far...
Artis Hicks sign for 3 years, 9 mil and then watch Buffalo go out and add a below average player for the same total

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

ain't that the truth

they (OBD) have got to know something we don’t…don’t they?

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by fansince60 on Mar 8, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Either they didn't like Hicks...

Or more likely, he liked Washington more than Buffalo.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Or

maybe they want to be seen as over paying in order to get on the radar of some quality FA’s. The “Ralph is cheap” reputation extends beyond Erie county.

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is Scout's insider

Basically, rated the same as Jonathan Scott and Kirk Chambers by Scout’s grade.

2009 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
Grade: 58 | Key

Comment: Green is a 10-year veteran who had little starting experience until he arrived in Oakland two years ago. He started every game in 2008 and has good size and strength for the RT position. He has adequate balance and body control in passing situations. He lacks ideal foot quickness when matched up with speed rushers, but shows good hand use and can push defenders past the pocket once he opens his hips. He has improved his awareness and reactions to stunts. In the run game, he comes off the ball with adequate pad level. He will get overextended at times and has trouble recovering once he gets his weight forward. He does a good job as a positional blocker and can sustain contact with wide hand placement.

by labill on Mar 8, 2010 6:30 PM EST reply actions  

Basically, rated the same as Jonathan Scott and Kirk Chambers by Scout’s grade.

Then this better be a depth signing lol

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

well then if its merely for depth.....

its pretty much the Bills overspending……….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

no doubt about that

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Curious...what does this mean?
He does a good job as a positional blocker

Is he better as a non-positional blocker?

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

to me a “non-traditional blocker” would be a QB or a Defensive player :-p

haha no clue what that means

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Positional, not traditional.

All that means is that he’s rarely out of position.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you for clearing up my inability to read…

:-)

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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't that mean that he is a good blocker...

If, you know, getting into position to block is part of blocking…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Particularly with run blocking, a block can be made simply by having a good angle on a guy. That’s what it means – he has good positioning. As opposed to whiffing or having to recover.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe this is called the "Fowler approach"
As opposed to whiffing or having to recover

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but it works better on the outside. When a tackle or TE can seal off a blocker, it can create a running lane just as well as pushing a guy a few yards off the LOS does.

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by kaisertown on Mar 8, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Similar to being a hockey goalie

Some OT’s get in and stay in the proper position. Like some goalies play angles well and are always in the right position.

Some OT’s get out of position but have the athleticism to make up for it. Like some goalies get out of position and make it up through great reflexs, hand eyes coordination, etc.

It says that Green isn’t the greatest athlete ever, but he makes up for it by being in the right spot.

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by Der Jaeger on Mar 8, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking at ESPN’s ratings Green got a 61. For comparison, Langston Walker got a 64, Mike Williams got a 60 and Jonathan Scott got a 60.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?positionId=46

$3 million/year seems like a lot for a player that might not be good enough to start. I couldn’t care less that he has ‘experience’ if he’s not that good.

Green is a good sized tackle with above average initial quickness and agility. He has been pretty much a full time starter over the past three years with Oakland but has struggled to stay healthy for a full 16 game schedule. He lacks top lateral range in pass pro and will struggle when facing explosive edge rushers on the speed rush and needs to stay on the right side. He has long arms and heavy hands and can shock and stymie rushers when he manages to get a good fit. He has a lot of natural strength but needs to work on keeping his pad level down as he tends to play tall and loose leverage on blocks.

by Pistol on Mar 8, 2010 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Just to elaborate onthe grading scale...
# 70-79: Good Starter
Solid starter who is close to being an outstanding player. … Has few weaknesses and usually will win his individual matchup but does not dominate in every game, especially when matched up against the top players in the league.
# 60-69: Average Starter
A valuable roster player but not a dominant player against the better players he faces on a weekly basis. … Gives great effort and teams are glad to have him, but he may or may not go to the next level.
# 50-59: Good Backup
This is a player who is really on the bubble and only starts because of a deficiency at the position. … He lacks complete overall skills, and although he will battle, he will hinder his team’s ability to play at a championship level if he is forced to be in the starting lineup consistently over a 16-game season. Teams don’t mind having him on the roster but are always looking to upgrade.

by Rome Billiever on Mar 8, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hangartner was rated in the 50-59 range last year

by Rome Billiever on Mar 8, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure how much stock y’all put in Pro Football Focus, but Green ranked in #48 last year at OT. That puts him ahead of Chambers, Scott and Bell. (Also, strangely, puts him ahead of Marcus McNeil.) He does, however, rank behind such stalwarts as Tyler Polumbus and Dennis Roland.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 6:41 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

hahahahahahah rec'd.

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by poz on Mar 8, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome...Rec'd
rank behind such stalwarts as Tyler Polumbus and Dennis Roland

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

ummm

is that the same Pro Football Focus that has Green just one spot behind Phil Loadholt? ha ha, o.k.

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm

Phil Loadholt is way overrated. Just sayin

by mob16151 on Mar 8, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

overrated at the bottom third of NFL tackles?

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by dzil on Mar 9, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

well

if you figure there are 64 starting ot’s, then its not that bad. throw in all the backups and injury replacements and hes better than half i would think…..optimism right?

plus hes 6’10….thats gotta count for something.

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

he’s 32 out of 52 tackles that played 60% of their teams snaps, or a 61.5% grade. could be worse.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

better be on the FG block team. OMG he is Langston Walker! haha

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Whens it gonna be Sabres-Offense Time?"
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by bflo on Mar 8, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

plus hes 6’10….thats gotta count for something

6’7 315 are the numbers I found.

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i found both espn and SI say 6'6

wiki says 6’10. who knows for sure. but probably closer to 6’6 than 6’10

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL yeah, he’s definitely not 6’10".

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Signing Bonus

$3 million per year may be just shoe polish. Maybe he is getting no guarantees, with $7 million in year 3 (with no year 3 to occur).

by labill on Mar 8, 2010 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

He has a mean streak

Green was arrested on a domestic violence charge on March 21, 2009 in Florida. He was accused of hitting the mother of his two children with a mop handle and slamming her against a wall. He was arrested at the Tampa International Airport while trying to board a flight for Oakland, California.

by labill on Mar 8, 2010 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

that qualifies as thug streak more than mean streak.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yup. same ’ol story.

by labill on Mar 8, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

wow beating up the mother of his kids.......

what a great guy

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

"allegedly"!

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yes of course :-p

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I have one big, all important question...

why did I have to grow up loving the Bills? I am from Vermont. I could have loved the Pats or the Giants or Jets or Steelers. But no, this is where I am at in my life. Rooting for the Bills that have to overpay to get guys like Green to come play for us.

It really, really sucks to love a team so much and just have NO hope for the playoffs in the near future.

by CBATL32 on Mar 8, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

a quarterback will give you hope

just ask Steelers, Cardinals (when they had Warner), Chargers, Colts, Patriots, and Saints fans. No matter how bad their teams are, or what circumstances they have to face, they have hope of getting to the playoffs and winning as long as they have their QB, no matter how many players they lose.

Its why I’m tearing out my hair trying to figure out why people dont want to do everything we can to get a QB early in this draft.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh and

if we had a franchise guy like a Ben Rothlisberger, you can bet FA wouldnt care about the “Buffalo stigma” anymore. They would want to play here.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

big ben might be suspended

if he keeps “allegedly” acting like a fool!

Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones

by silverstreak3k on Mar 8, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

well of course

that maybe wasnt the best time to use his name but he has won two superbowls before the age of 30….he also seems to have garnered two allegations of sexual assault before the age 30….

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably because you’re my age and the Bills were awesome when you were a kid.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 8, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

cuz?

my cousin is from VT and is a huge Bills fan, is that you GR?

by In8DON on Mar 8, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha!!!!

Buffalo Rumblings bringing together family!!

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I am with you Poz

I would do almost anything within reason to get Bradford or Claussen. I know the scouts are mixed on Claussen. I personally think he’s going to be really, really good. But if our scouts view him as a franchise QB, then we should do whatever it takes to get him.

by CBATL32 on Mar 8, 2010 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

yup

if Clausen or Bradford are there at 9 we get them, or at least we better.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no quarrles with this guy but their is only one s in Clausens name.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 8, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. He’s putting us in quite a pickle.

by MadmanJack on Mar 8, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Raiders just cut Greg Ellis

he was a good OLB for Dallas and hes aging so he could be a good stop gap for us.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

Ellis hated playing OLB though, he just put up with it because he liked Dallas. I don’t see him signing with a 3-4 team.

The more I see, the less I know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Just watched Green interview

And Green says. “I LOVE to run the ball” Can’t wait to see him.

Maybe a change of scenery will do him good. A

nd you can’t really count how many penalties he got as a member of the Raiders, isn’t that part of their philosophy?

Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway

by NolaBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

A Raiders fan

called him a “fat bag of penalties”.

"huge, big, fast, nasty...all those terms"

by fansince60 on Mar 8, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

But isn’t that part of the Al Davis theroy of football, “Just win baby, and if not make lots of penalties so we can blame the refs for losing”
You can’t blame the guy for following orders…

Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway

by NolaBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt false start penalties are part of the approved plan.

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t put anything past Al Davis…

Never confuse movement with action.
~Ernest Hemingway

by NolaBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Tom “The Jaw-Breaker” Cable

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 9, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Better to get depth now than in November...

I agree that this contract is a touch steep, but I am happy that we are getting a potential starter (even if he is thoroughly mediocre) at this point in the season rather than as an emergency fill-in when we start getting hurt. I’m sure one of the not-so-hard-to-make observations from CHIX about our last season is that our line fell apart and we were left scrambling (Jamon Meredith, Richie Incognito, Kendall Simmons, Andre Ramsey, Christian Gaddis… did I miss anyone?) to patch together a group of players that didn’t know the offense or each other.

Get him in now, let him take the reps, and I am 100% confident that a mediocre over-priced (potential) backup is going to be a much more capable than a PS cheap signee forced into action without enough practice come the second half of the season.

by Squirmin' Thurman on Mar 8, 2010 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

Relax. Its not that big a deal.

I find it hilarious to be honest to see many going nuts over some the Bills signed for depth and a chance to start. I will take this guy with experience over Meredith or Bell who arent even close to being ready, and may never be ready to be honest, to play on the line in the NFL.
People that are going crazy for how much we signed him for are blowing it a bit out of proportion too. I mean, really. The only time you are going to be able to sign someone for a veteran minimum is during the year when they are desperate to find work. Everyone needs to relax on this signing a bit and take it as it is.
Nix did what he said he would. They signed someone to add to the depth at a position because they can’t do it all during the draft for obvious reasons. Thats it.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Mar 8, 2010 9:09 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Too add to my comments....

As far as everyone thinking we over paid. Look at the contract that we signed the likes of Dockery a few years back. 7 mil per year. He was absolutely horrible. So, all in all, 3 mil is nothing. You can’t expect much during this off-season because there isn’t a whole hell of a lot out there.
Relax everyone and enjoy the ride of our first year under the new regime. Next year we can start complaining about players since we will know then what we have in coaching and players after 1 full season.
I am very much ok with this signing.

"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~

by Hambone on Mar 8, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Green has been told he'll be the starting LT

“Listed at six-foot-six and 315 pounds, Green said he’s been told he’ll be the team’s new starting right tackle, taking over the position after Brad Butler(notes) retired last month.”

by sgtpppr84 on Mar 8, 2010 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

and he’s bringing Teriyonal Ebony Flowers with him.

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by dzil on Mar 8, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparantely the wife he had a domestic dispute with… That isn’t great.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Mar 8, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

what I was sayin’

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 9, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

we will draft LT

for the starting position

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by billsoferie on Mar 8, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently the steaks in Buffalo are deal sealers

Who knew?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo Chophouse. Yahoo and ESPN both mentioned it which I found odd.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a start

I am ok with this as a depth signing… Seems like we overpaid a little, I would have much rather had Pashos for simalar money.

I got nothing.

by Jason from OH-IO on Mar 8, 2010 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, that's a surprise

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too, but we'll see how this pans out.

Why do today, when it can wait til tomorrow; the games on!

by UtahBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Eh, I was More Excited About the Practise Squad NT we Signed

This is experienced camp fodder. The only way this signing makes sense – given the dollar amount – is that it is very light on the guaranteed side of things.

Because then if he’s confident that he can still play at a high level (or just plain still play, really) then I’m willing to give a guy like this the rope. I’ve got to see this guy in camp before he gets any money out of my pockets.

I’m not groaning, but matter-of-fact: sorry state when this is the top of the ledger. And that speaks to more than Ralph being “cheap.” I tend to agree with what Der Jaeger wrote a couple days back about the Dolphins being a model (as much as I hate admitting we have another AFC East team to look up at)… so i guess I am looking forward to seeing something along those lines. This isn’t such a hot start and it’s also boring (zzz) from a football perspective because this tells us nothing about the direction OBD (there, I said it) is trying to take regarding any position.

“We need depth…” OK, if that’s your justification for signing the towel boy… wake me up when you sign someone because you thought they presented us with a piece to the puzzle.

by kgun201 on Mar 8, 2010 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

the towel boy??

Practice squad fodder? Kgun, wake up my man. This guy was just given a 3 year, 9 million deal on the heals of starting for three straight seasons. If you think hes camp fodder you’re going to be mighty surprised when he might be atop, or the second guy on, the RT depth chart.

OK, if that’s your justification for signing the towel boy… wake me up when you sign someone because you thought they presented us with a piece to the puzzle.

A championship caliber team isn’t something thats built, put on the field in a fell swoop. Its a constantly evolving team ideal. Sometimes, you need starters to fill in and hold the fort until the best installment of that team is ready to make its title run. Cornell Green is not a towel boy, hes most likely a guy who can keep the line operational until Bell or Meredith is ready to play.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d for the term “fell swoop.”

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by thefourwinds on Mar 8, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You misunderstood half of that...

There are going to be signings that are justified beyond “we need a body that can play in the league,” and those are the signings I care about. This gentleman is about as significant to all of that as Meredith or Bell – even less so.

Let’s not talk about placeholders (which is what you yourself would call him) as being pary of a championship team. Everyone needs depth. There are players out there that can bring something tangiable to the Bills. This guy brings someone who can play in the league, little more.

If you don’t view it that way, that’s fine.

But talking about some guy who can theoretically “hold it down” as being part of a transition to greatness? Who needs the wakeup?

Every decenting opinion is not a gripe. There are going to be moves I’ll be very happy with because they make sense to me. There are going to be moves like this that I will call “lateral movements.” If OBD sees Green as more than that, well that’s a different story. I hope they do. If it comes down to he’s penciled in as a starter because he just signed a 3 year 9 mil contract – that’s not only “conservative” it’s downright low expectations.

In my book… if you are over 30 and you are not a guaranteed starter… you ARE camp fodder – until further notice.

by kgun201 on Mar 8, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I want a winner as much as anyone.

I believe he is signed to start at RT. If Meredith out performs him or Ramsey for that matter, I say cut the man loose and send him packing. I want a winner as much as anyone but not at the expense of the integrity of Bills nation. I would be satisfied with eleven Keith Ellisons and a continuation of 6 – 10 seasons before that. He better come to play or get him the hell out of here.

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Mar 8, 2010 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

Agree.

I'll stop whining, when I stop caring!

by UtahBillsFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to wonder...

Why I had to get to nearly the bottom of these comments to find the first comment about the domestic abuse charge against Green.

Funny how this borderline thug is OK with the fans. Are we that desperate that a player of this quality and character now excites us? How many of the above comments are from the same writers that trashed Incognito, and defended the Bills for not pursuing him?

Things are really sad when a signing like this generates so much enthusiasm.

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by ChipShot on Mar 8, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

WHAT ENTHUSIASM!!!!??!!!!!!!!!??

My God, you guys who are just trying to be depressing are relentless. What enthusiasm?? The fans who are happy we are building veteran depth on the offensive line without splurging on a huge contract? The fans who are content with a signing that adds an offensive tackle to an offensive line that was SCRAPPING, I mean SCRAPPING, for starters, any starters at all last season?? No one is jumping up and down and screaming for joy. We are encouraged that this team is trying to put some freaking meat on the most starved offensive line in the NFL. I cant think of anyone who was happy that Incognito was allowed to walk away, I know I was hoping he would start at guard because I dont think Wood will be near ready.

Things are really sad when a signing like this generates so much enthusiasm.

No, things are sad when a fan base starts whining at a new regime after only its first signing, and a 3 mil a year contract signing at that.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Or when a fan ridicules the hiring of a new coach.

Repeatedly, over and over like they have noone else to listen too them speak. Or how the red carpet is rolled out for a College QB that has played for one of the most highly recognized D1 school in the country and is still totally unproven at the next level with obvious deficencies that he had four years to work on. Is that your point. Then I would agree

This is like dumping a new puzzle from it's box. Now let's start putting the peices together. I guess this is what we all asked for.

by VanScottM on Mar 8, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose my point could be that stuff as well if you'd like

although I think most fans are willing to give Chan a shot and there are just as many people who hate Tebow as much as there are people who are anointing him the next Super Bowl champ. I just can’t understand all the anger over a signing, in a thin free agency pool, of a guy who has started at RT for three years and isn’t being paid all that much. I doubt he’ll be handed the job and if anything we have another guy to compete at a position of supreme weakness for a very neutral contract.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 8, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Or when a fan ridicules the hiring of a new coach.
Repeatedly, over and over like they noone else to listen too them speak.

Thats why you’re here :-)

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 9, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

again

every dissenting opinion (i spelled it right that time) is not a gripe. it’s not mandatory that we look at every signing with awe like it’s a masterpiece that we just can’t “understand.”

by kgun201 on Mar 8, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i'll respond to both your posts here just to make our discussion easier
This gentleman is about as significant to all of that as Meredith or Bell – even less so.

I totally agree, which is why hes not a towel boy. Meredith and Bell are pretty significant to this team unfortunately. We need all the tackles we can get and this guy adds another guy to the roster who will be given a shot to play if he earns it. Meredith and Bell are not practice squad fodder and neither is Green. We are weak on the line, we need as much competition as possible.

There are players out there that can bring something tangiable to the Bills.

There sure are but they are also expensive for a young team rebuilding that should be looking to save money for when that young talent develops and needs to be resigned. That money should also be saved for a year or two from now when there is a better free agency pool and this team has a better idea of which young players are keepers and where we need real, expensive talent to surround our drafted talent with to make our push. That time is not now. Right now we need guys who “can play” in this league as you put it because we need to field a team which can support a functioning squad to help us provide our younger talent with a fighting chance to develop. Competition at camp helps that and so does Green. If Bell and Meredith aren’t ready we need other options because we only have so many holes we can fill this year.

But talking about some guy who can theoretically "hold it down" as being part of a transition to greatness? Who needs the wakeup?

Of course you need guys who can “hold it down” to transition to greatness. Teams, especially young rebuilding ones, need to learn how to win and you can’t learn how to win unless you have guys who can “hold it down” along the way. Otherwise your stuck in the cellar no matter how much star talent you have. Calvin Johnson, Matt Stafford and Brandon Pettigrew are stars or future stars for the Lions but they dont have guys who can “hold down” the d-line, o-line or secondary and they keep picking at the top of the draft and making minimal progress.

Every decenting opinion is not a gripe / it’s not mandatory that we look at every signing with awe like it’s a masterpiece that we just can’t "understand."

I never said dissenting opinion is a gripe and I never asked that anyone see this signing as a masterpiece or declared that I can understand something you don’t. But on the opposite end of not every dissenting opinion is a gripe is the point that not every small splash is a disaster or an exercise in futility. Whats the point of getting mad about the Green signing? We need two starting tackles and probably two or three more backups on the line. Adding a guy with starting experience who is relatively affordable is aiding that cause. Hes only got a three year deal and we need to sign guys like him because not every o-line addition can be a great player.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 9, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Ummm

Speaking for myself I understand what the Bill’s are doing here. Do I wish the deal was for a few less dollars ? Yes I do. But I understand what the Bill’s are trying to do here.

by mob16151 on Mar 9, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Do I wish the deal was for a few less dollars ? Yes I do. But I understand what the Bill’s are trying to do here.

Wow, I feel stupid now. That was a much simpler response than my lengthy one. Well said. Exactly how I feel.

"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny

by poz on Mar 9, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It's all good poz

I’m in awe of you guy’s that get all in depth with your responses.

by mob16151 on Mar 9, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

i understand as well

all i really said with all of those perdy words is “wake me when one of those future pieces are signed or discussed.” this is not a bash. this isn’t making a big issue out of a depth signing.

the one thing i said that, and i think was misunderstood, is that “depth signings” with regards to 10 year vets at the opening of FA is not exactly an inspiring thing. honestly, i would get much more excited about an unknown quantity type of guy, like the Favourite signing, because i trust in the scouting. this isn’t a scouting coup here, this is exactly what you have all been calling it… a “depth signing.”

let me rephrase – because i honestly don’t know what Nix is looking at – i hope the bills have fierce competition at every spot along the o-line this camp. this gentleman having the ability to stick on the Oakland O-line is not the line on his resume that earns him a starting role. his 9m shouldn’t be the deciding factor either.

by kgun201 on Mar 9, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i hope the bills have fierce competition at every spot along the o-line this camp

Except LG I presume?

by mob16151 on Mar 9, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

why?

why would you presume every spot except LG?

from a fans perspective, were not stupid. we know that certain players are a “lock to start” simply because of larger holes. but from Nix and Gailey’s perspective, that’s not the methodology that should rule right now.

Here’s my philosophy of the day: this is a new regime. i don’t care what you did well in the old system, you’re all competing starting today. actually, sorry… i looked at tape and you were actually competing starting last season – but now through these eyes.

i will not drinketh thy coolaid...

by kgun201 on Mar 9, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

LeVitres set at LG. The rest of the starting spot’s on the O line should be up for grab while the Bill’s wait on Woods rehab. So worst case scenario only RG is set. Best case scenario and Wood is ready to go day 1, C,RG,and LG are all set. With "open " competition at the 2 tackle spots.

by mob16151 on Mar 9, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

yea, haha you sorta missed the obvious Levitre subtext of that post

Hes entrenched

we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
-abayarde

by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 9, 2010 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

This guy is real Solid!

I just watched about every youtube video i could on him and he looks very solid. He will easily start for us at RT, no doubt. He is very good on the run and solid on the pass. He is our best Tackle…thank God we got someone that is a decent starter in this league! horray.

by csc06258 on Mar 9, 2010 12:51 AM EST reply actions  

no im actually being serious, he looked half way decent although what i watched were all highlight reels

by csc06258 on Mar 9, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s because they don’t make lowlight reels.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 10, 2010 7:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes they do

Blooper reels and Oakland Raiders season reviews

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 12, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey Kurupt

Is Green gonna be your next Kelsay when Kelsay is gone? I got the odd’s at 50/50 right now.

by mob16151 on Mar 9, 2010 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

Huh?

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

The guy you complain about the most

He seem’s like a good bet to hang around and be overpayed for a while. A lot like Kelsay is.

by mob16151 on Mar 9, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Not even close

I don’t care about Green and I don’t expect him on the roster in a year or two. Plus, we know he’s going to be a penalty machine, so expectations should be extremely low….

Is it complaining if it’s legit? :)

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

apparently yes it is..........
Is it complaining if it’s legit? :)

The only cure for a bad today is tomorrow.

by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 9, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Wade Smith

Apparently left Houston without a contract and is visiting Arizona.

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by pasaluki on Mar 9, 2010 3:19 AM EST reply actions  

What are those Texans doing?!?!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Once he proves himself in training camp and makes it through without injury we can start judging his performance – I love the acquisition because it adds immediate help to our young lineman, the man has been in the league for ten years.

The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.

by Cutter3636 on Mar 9, 2010 3:48 AM EST reply actions  

interview

Not an impressive first interview for Cornell Green. What was good was he talked about how he loves to get down and run block. What was dubious were his claims to be a leader. What was bad was that he referred to Bills running backs as “Lynch and that other guy”. Here’s hoing he gets to know and love “that other guy” real quick. Personally, I think “that other guy” is the current face of the franchise.

by williamsDT on Mar 9, 2010 6:14 AM EST reply actions  

what did you expect? he’s a Raider.

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 9, 2010 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

"That other guy"

Haha. Nice.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously dude. Pay attention. He’s the one that’s gonna bail your butt out when those 3-4 OLBs beat you like a rented mule.

Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.

by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 9, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Just went and followed the daily links to the silver and black blog. All I can say is thank God I’m a buffalo fan and buffalorumbler. I think sometimes we take for granted the high quality articles and comments from everyone here especially Brian and the editors/authors. Go read the comments for five minutes and you’ll understand, I’d say happy Green is gone is an understatement.

Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!

by mavadjdj on Mar 9, 2010 7:44 AM EST reply actions  

The thing that troubles me most about him, as others have astutely pointed out

is his penchant for assaulting women. 1 time is too many, and I find it to be a MAJOR character flaw. How Ritchie Incognito was seen as less desireable, I don’t know. Though, Incognito wasn’t going to play RT.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 9, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

Couldn’t they get a crappy tackle who didn’t beat his wife?

Just asking.

by Pruitt on Mar 9, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

OT Draft

Trade D.Whitner and our next years 2nd round pick to get Clevelands number one this year.
Then Draft B.Bulaga/LOT out of Iowa.
With our number one draft R.McClain/ILB out of Alabama.

In the third round grab S.Lee/ILB out of Penn State for solid back up role in the 3/4.
In the fourth round grab K.Calloway/ROT out of Iowa.
In the fifth round grab A.Ulatoski/ROT out of Texas
(Switch him over to starting ROG)

Bills 3/4 Starting Linebackers in 2010
C.Kelsay/OLB R.McClain/ILB P.Posluszny/ILB A.Maybin/OLB
Backups K.Mitchell/S.Lee/E.Ellison

Bills Starting Offensive Line in 2010
LOT/B.Bulaga—LOG/A.Levitre—OC/G.Hangarten—ROGA.Ulatoski—ROT/K.Calloway
(E.Wood goes back to OC once he is healthy from injury)

by Dziedzic on Mar 10, 2010 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

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