Tim Tebow Talk makes my head want to explode!

by LIBi on Mar 9, 2010 6:13 PM EST

I can't deal with the Tim Tebow talk anymore (atleast when talking about him as a 1st or 2nd rounder, especially for the Bills). I want to first acknowledge that I understand why there is so much hype around him. I get it he's got the leadership intangibles, the great college career, and the squeaky clean image. In my opinion, he will never be a starting QB in this league for any significant period of time. The delivery may be the worst I have ever seen, and in a panic move from Tebow he has tried to change it right before his pro day. I just don't understand what people see in him strictly from a potential NFL QB standpoint. He would be great on QB sneaks?? Haha. In all seriousness I really hope the Bills avoid the mistake of drafting Tebow this year, because he will go way too high than he should. We don't need a sideshow in Buffalo (wasn't TO supposed to provide that), we need a young core of star players to build around. Clausen and Bradford are great choices if they are available, if they are off the board wait until next year or go for a guy like Snead later. I understand Tebow has his loyal followers, but I don't think I have ever seen a bigger reaction to a NFL prospect in my life. The only NFL storyline that bothers me more than this is the never ending Brett Favre retirement saga.

Thank you for allowing me to vent on here, and I apologize if I didn't cite players correctly.

Also I am a law school student, and have a great interest in sports legal issues. I got to meet with Maurice Clarett's legal counsel who tried to have Clarett be draft eligible after just his freshman year. We got to discuss the pending Supreme Court decision on the American Needle case. If you aren't familiar with it you should really look into it. It will go down as the biggest case in sports history.

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so you make a thread complaining about Tebow talk.........

so that there could be more Tebow talk?

Interesting choice.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 9, 2010 6:28 PM EST reply actions 8 recs

rec’ that #$%

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by sireric on Mar 9, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions

Rec'd

Exactly !

by hightower_mc on Mar 9, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions

norcali.....you green blooded Vulcan :-)

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by Joe P. on Mar 9, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions

it was meant to be a thread about being tired of hearing how great tebow is going to be, when i believe he won’t be. just my opinion i don’t want to sound like i want to ban Tebow talk from this blog at all. i just get tired of how espn has focused on what is the biggest story instead of objective sports news reporting. you hear 3 times as much about Tebow than you do Bradford or Clausen and I think almost everyone would agree both of them are much better prospects than Tebow.

by LIBi on Mar 9, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions

Why would ESPN do a story on Bradford or Clausen right now?

Bradford is simply working out in Florida trying to get ready for his workouts. Clausen is working out in Cali for his Pro Day and workouts. Actually, ESPN did do a story on Clausen’s pre-draft prep a few weeks back now that I think about it.

Tebow is retooling his throwing motion and mechanics, something that is more significant that simply lifting weights and working out. Plus, Tebow is one of the best college players in a long time. Of course there’s going to be a lot of interested parties and desire to discuss him….

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by Kurupt on Mar 10, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions

is he re-tweaking (made up word) every day? i can’t turn on sportscenter without hearing his name. there is plenty of things to discuss about bradford and clausen. can bradford overcome his injuries? can he shift from the spread offense? will he be the #1 pick? is clausen going to turn out like highly touted QB brady quinn? will his coaching under charlie weis give him an advantage or has it just maximized his potential? could he possibly supplant bradford as the #1 pick? these all seem like better things to discuss than tim tebow.

as i mentioned above i do understand why he has some hype going in, but i don’t think it should translate to this amount of coverage. i think this leads us to a bigger problem IMO about how espn, specifically sportscenter, has turned into more of a “access hollywood: sports edition” than solid sports coverage.

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions

but that argument can be saved for another day haha.

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions

completely agree...

i think this leads us to a bigger problem IMO about how espn, specifically sportscenter, has turned into more of a "access hollywood: sports edition" than solid sports coverage.

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by bflo on Mar 10, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions

i dont think thats a fair assessment...

1 hes a great leader 2 hes still raw and has time to develop, and 3, we have no clue how he’s going to perform at the NFL level until we see him play, so it isnt fair to say “the mistake of drafting tim tebow.” For all we know, he could be the bestquarterback in the nfl in years to come.

by Lynchisin23 on Mar 9, 2010 6:32 PM EST reply actions

1) he is definitely a great leader, but i see that as an extra incentive too draft a player not the basis for drafting him. 2) he is very raw and has plenty of time yes, but the potential argument is based on the fact that he is starting his throwing motion basically from scratch 3) with this argument we could feasibly say that any QB drafted this year could be the best QB in the draft, which is a general statement that is true. the whole point of scouting and opinion is to determine from their play and skills who will translate the best to the NFL game. so it is very fair for me to say drafting tim tebow would be a mistake due to my opinion (also held by many) that tebow has a horrible delivery or hasn’t shown he can be an effective pocket passer in an NFL style system.

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions

So why are you talking about him?

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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions

Maybe

he wants his head to explode and thought this post might help???

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by NolaBillsFan on Mar 9, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions

Are we allowed to comment on your post,

or would that constitute as Tebow talk?

by Buffalonian on Mar 9, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions

haha post away i was just saying how its mind boggling this much attention to a guy that shouldn’t be taken higher than the 3rd round

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions

maybe not such a bad thing

if a future lawyer’s head explodes :-)

most of my posts get deleted :(

by dzil on Mar 9, 2010 7:46 PM EST reply actions

hey!

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions

haha i actually love lawyer jokes keep em coming

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions

I get the talk and opinions that Tebow’s mechanics are terrible and that he’ll never be a good starting QB; in fact, I actually kind of agree. But I do take exception to this part:

in a panic move from Tebow he has tried to change it right before his pro day

How is that a “panic move”? If a defensive lineman lacked strength, would it be a panic move for him to spend all day in the gym for the months leading up to the season? Prospects work on their weaknesses and Tebow needs to hold that ball a little higher and get the ball out of his hand a little quicker. He knows that teams are going to want to tweak (understatement) his throwing motion, so he’s getting a head start by working on it before the draft. It’s not like he’s trying to learn how to throw righthanded or anything.

How many people are really overreacting to Tebow? The answer is a ton, but I feel like 80% of the people overreacting are the ones who think he’s got a zero % chance to succeed and are tired of hearing about him. He’s the single most debated prospect in the history of the draft. He’s going to constantly be discussed. It’s not that hard to avoid the Tebow debates if you really want to. Sometimes I hop in and participate, other times I click on a different fanpost or “z” my way through stuff as quick as I can.

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by kaisertown on Mar 9, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions

but I feel like 80% of the people overreacting are the ones who think he’s got a zero % chance to succeed and are tired of hearing about him.

Amen, kaiser.

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by poz on Mar 9, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Mar 9, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions

i say it’s a panic move because of the timing. he didn’t throw at the combine so he could work on his new delivery. i understand that a lot of the top QB’s didn’t attend, but tebow’s arm and delivery are being second guessed so it would have been a great oppurtunity to show if he actually can. you think he can change his motion that he has been using since high school in a month or so to something that is polished and will impress NFL scouts. i guess “panic move” was a little harsh, because he really has nothing to lose. the old delivery wasn’t gonna get him drafted high so he might as well try something new. i

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions

also i don’t believe he has a 0% chance of succeeding in the NFL. at QB i would put his chances of being a long term starting QB of a team at about 10%. i think he would be an intriguing option strictly for wildcat formations, as a h-back, or maybe tight end. what round would you draft a guy like that though? not 1st or 2nd round.

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions

i say it’s a panic move because of the timing

you think he can change his motion that he has been using since high school in a month or so to something that is polished and will impress NFL scouts

I have my questions about Tebow as an NFL QB and I’d rather Buffalo not draft him, but I think you’re misinterpreting why Tebow is working on his motion. He’s not doing it to be drafted higher. He’s working on it to be a better NFL QB. He knows that teams are going to change his delivery, so he’s getting a head start on the work. Tebow understands that he’s considered a project and I don’t think he even disagrees with that assesment. Tebow is changing his motion because he wants to improve.

I think that the draft could have been the day after the college season ended and Tebow would still be doing exactly what he’s currently doing. The only reason he didn’t change things in college (even though he should have) was because he didn’t want to lose his rythym or comfort level. While in college, his focus was on winning college football games. Now that he’s not in college, his focus is on improving himself so that he can he be a starter and then can win even more games.

It’s like the example I used about the DT working on his strength. If any other player was working on the weaknesses in his game, it would be considered a great thing. Why is it any different for Tebow?

by kaisertown on Mar 10, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah and he's working with Sam Wyche? and Tressman our boy from the CFL

to fix those mechanics. I hope he gets that release point high, tight, and quicker but as has been well documented, he could revert to his old throwing motion in game situations. Which can’t be good for any team that drafts him, he’ll be a fumble machine if he keeps that motion back to his old ways. If anyone has the dedication to do this it’s Tebow, so if he keeps the new motion he could be a solid QB. If not that’s bad

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 10, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions

I used to be among the same "Tebow will never succeed as an NFL QB" camp...

but I’ve come around to the idea of getting him on board. It seems to me that we have a couple of potentially capable starters in the interim (Edwards, Brohm) that could bridge the significant gap between his rookie year and when he’s likely to be ready to take over. Tebow seems to me to be a potential organizational transforming player. I don’t mean to make use of hyperbole, but he’s the kind of player and person that won’t be denied. If the physical tools, work ethic, and capacity to absorb the playbook and coaching then he should be able to eventually cut it in the NFL.

by live6453 on Mar 9, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions

everyone will probably think i am piling on here, but i don’t know if tebow’s leadership style will translate well in the NFL. he was a great leader in college, but to be able to get in player’s faces and demand their best you better be a damn good QB. guys like peyton, brees, brady, and rivers you will see do that, but they can get on a guy because they are the franchise. tebow can’t run out on a wildcat play and start getting in lee evans face telling him to break out of his route better. to be a great leader at QB in the nfl you first must be a very productive QB.

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions

Yea some 22-23 year old

isn’t going to lead vets on his team, he’ll have to earn their repsect then he could be a leader. Just not on Buffalo.

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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Mar 10, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions

Neither of you followed his career at uf did you

Cuz if you did, you would realize this is probably the weakest argument and the biggest stretch anti-tebow guys have…..

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 10, 2010 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

i followed UF quite a bit in college football throughout the last 4 years tebow was there. i don’t think he is a good passer from what i saw. he was very effective player in that system that was built around his strengths. i’m guessing you might be a UF fan so maybe your opinion is a bit more biased than mine :)

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions

also please elaborate on why my argument is weak rather than just saying it is with no reasoning.

by LIBi on Mar 10, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions

I dont know where you get the idea he wont be able to lead NFL vets….

ALL COLLEGE QB’s ONLY HAVE EXPERIANCE LEADING COLLEGE PLAYERS

ALL COLLEGE QB’s ONLY HAVE LEAD PEOPLE OF ABOUT THEIR SAME AGE

how do you earn respect in the NFL? attitude, effort, and production
hes got the first two in spades, and that leads me to believe that if he can fix some of his issues the third wont be far behind

p.s. after brian sniped my old sig i decided to go with a Tebow Bills Jersey, Enjoy LlBi lol

we the FANS the VOICE the PEOPLE the true BLOOD of the Buffalo BILLS are just doing all this SO mAYBE just MAYbe the Coach THE teAM will just see how us the FANS the the SPARTAN aka BUFARTAN we will not Surrender to know onE.
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 10, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions

and why wouldnt an NFL vet want a firey, in your face QB?

that is leadership in a nutshell right there, holding yourself and all your teammates accountable for the teams performance. this arguement makes me sad, because the other ones, based on footwork and mechanics are actually VALID arguements against him

by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 10, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions

what he said

i didnt think i needed explaining. tebow is a great leader, just because he will be working with professionals doesnt mean his attitude or ability to lead will diminish. i was referring to his time at UF because from day one he was seen as a leader. even as a freshman, when he hadnt accomplished anything really yet besides situational rusher, he lead many seniors and upper class-men without any problems.

he has had pretty good numbers in high school, something i eluded to in a an earlier fanpost. sayign he isnt a good passer is because you buy into all the media bais on him. he is just as good a passer as clausen and bradford when you look at the stats from their years playing college ball. im not going to go into i all again, ive done it too many times for someone new to come along and regurgitate what they heard from mcshay or kiper or 100 other fans that dont go further into his past success.

one thing this team needs is a true leader on the offensive side of the ball. someone that will push his guys to get better, someone that will inspire them to be better. if you for one second think that tebow doesnt have that ability because hes a “college kid” and pros wont listen to him, then i really have nothing to explain, because to me that just doesnt make sense.

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 10, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions

and why wouldnt an NFL vet want a firey, in your face QB?

Speaking for myself I find the fiery 22 or 23 year olds annoying. And annoying is a good way to lose alocker room. When Tebow is drafted by an NFL team he need’s to keep his mouth shut. If he wants to lead, lead by example.

by mob16151 on Mar 11, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions

its not annoying when its your QB, the leader of the offense/team

by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 11, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions

the thing im not understanding....

Is why it was necessary or appropriate to place your legal credentials in with a story about Tebow. Also, why is it that anti-tebow people saying that he’s not going to be a good quarterback, are you an NFL analyst? No. You watch ESPN all day and then listen to what the analysts on there say. I think it’s interesting that arguably the greatest college football player ever is scheduled to be the biggest flop in NFL history. If you watch Tebow’s college career it should speak for itself, instead it doesn’t because some guy whose predictions are wrong over half of the time anyhow said that Tim Tebow will not be a quality NFL quarterback. I’m just curious to see the things you people say about him whenever he’s a hall of famer.

by zachass4 on Mar 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions