Why the Bills will trade Marshawn Lynch
by kaisertown on Apr 11, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
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PrintI'm not sure if people realize why the Bills will trade Lynch. I don't think this problem is as simple as calling him up and smoothing things over. According to USA Today, Marshawn Lynch made $632,080 last season. He's set to make 885 K this season, which I understand seems like a lot, but how much money did Marshawn lose last year via incentives not reached? How much will he lose this year and next year if Jackson stays ahead of him on the depth chart? I believe that Buffalo has three options.
The first option is to play him. That's the way you smooth things over. You guarantee lots of playing time and tell him he doesn't need to worry about incentives because the team will take care of him. Of course, that may put the team in a position where they have to smooth things over with Fred Jackson. It also puts them in an extremely tough situation if Jackson outperforms Marshawn to the degree he did last year. Would Gailey have to break his word with Lynch and cut his playing time, or would Gailey play the less productive player to keep him happy?
The 2nd thing Buffalo could do is play hard ball. Force him to camp. Tell him that he's under contract and he's a Buffalo Bill. The concern here is the obvious one. Marshawn Lynch is already a trouble maker off the field and another season of being the backup RB could lead to him being a trouble maker in the locker room too. Sooner or later, Lynch's reduced role (and reduced pay as a result) could lead to him acting out in a way that hurts the chemsitry of the team.
The third option is to do what Buffalo looks like they are going to do and that is to trade him. Put him on a different team where he is the unquestioned starter. He'll be happy, he'll get his money and keep that athlete's ego nice and inflated. The new team would probably end up being happy and if Buffalo could get something decent in return, they'll be happy too. Obviously, this is the option that I'd like Buffalo to choose. I don't care too much whether Buffalo will get pick(s), player(s) or a combo of the two. I'd trade him to Seattle for a NT like Red Bryant or Colin Cole or a water bug like Justin Forsett straight up and wouldn't think twice about it. Buffalo needs to forget about the value that Lynch potentially has if he keeps his head straight and plays up to that potential and look at the reality of the situation. They've got a good RB who, at his best, has been a little over a 4 yard per carry guy. That's nothing special, Lynch isn't the best RB on the team and as a backup, his production is very replaceable.
In part two of this post, I'd like to make the argument that RBs pretty much are a dime a dozen and Marshawn Lynch is one of the most replaceable players on the entire team:
Running backs are easily replaced for four reasons. The first is that there are a lot of great running backs in the NFL. There might not be a deeper position in terms of top notch production in the rest of the league. There were 15 thousand yard backs last season and 16 in 2008. There were 32 RBs last year who had both 100 carries and 4 yards per attempt. When you consider the emergence of smaller backs and some of the recent draftees who will get an expanded role this year, only a handful of teams don't have a good RB on the roster.
I've seen some use the need for two running backs as a reason to keep Lynch. Teams use two RBs and that gives them more value. I actually think the opposite is true. The running back by committee has made RBs less valuable because teams can find production without a big time back. Only four teams averaged under 4 yards per carry last year. And of those four teams, three of them had great offenses (Houston, Indy and San Diego - Washington was the 4th team at 3.9 yards per carry). Teams like New England, Seattle and Tampa all averaged over 4 yards per carry last year without a name back (Lynch's career ypc is 4.0) while the supposed great running teams finished all over the place. The Giants and Vikings both averaged 4.1 yards per carry. Even the Jets finished at 4.5 per. Outside of the Chris Johnson led Titans and those great passing teams that really struggled to run, the difference between the best and worst teams was about a yard per carry. Compare that to the passing game where the difference between the better attacks and average ones is over a yard per attempt and the difference between the average and below average is another yard per throw. Running by committee has become a productive way to compliment the passing attack.
A third reason is that running backs drafted in the middle rounds bust less often than any other position. Obviously, trying to spin Marshawn into a 4th round pick to draft a new RB is a risky strategy, but the best value you can find in the draft is 3rd and 4th round RBs. Here's the list of the 3rd and 4th rounders from the last few seasons:
2009 - Shonn Greene, Glen Coffee, Mike Goodson
2008 - Kevin Smith, Jamaal Charles, Steve Slaton, Tashard Choice
2007 - Lorenzo Booker, Tony Hunt, Michael Bush, Antonio Pittman, Dwayne Wright – maybe not the best year to grab an RB in the middle rounds
2006 - Brian Calhoun, Jerrious Norwood, Michael Robinson, Leon Washington
2005 - Frank Gore, Vernand Morency, Ryan Moats, Maurice Clarett-haha, Marion Barber, Brandon Jacobs, Ciatrick Fason
Buffalo can find a rotational back for Marshawn's backup role in the middle rounds. And the 4th reason is why it's so possible. That 4th reason being that RBs make an impact right away. You don't need to develop them so filling a hole at RB is so much simpler than any other position. You draft an RB in the middle rounds, play them in a back up role and you know what you've got before the season is over. If you missed, then try again next year and if you hit then give them an even bigger role. Hell, draft two RBs this year. Get a 4th for Marshawn and take Anthony Dixon and Deji Karim and suddenly, Buffalo has a very deep and versatile group of backs for the low price of a 4th rounder, which a lot of people would like to use on Gailey's water bug anyways.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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Great post kaiser
You guarantee lots of playing time
That’s something that won’t happen, though. An NFL coach is never going to guarantee playing time to anyone. If he did, it would breed nothing but complacency, especially for a guy like Lynch. What Gailey would need to do is tell Lynch he’ll have the opportunity to earn back playing time and his carries if he works hard and proves he’s deserving…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I like the idea of trading with Seattle...
… for NT Red Bryant.
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." --Abraham Lincoln
That certainly does address a major need without the need to expend a draft pick.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
Exactly, if nothing else it beefs up the Dline rotation in our 3-4 for a couple of more seasons at a decent price
And Seattle gets a real RB to pair up with Forsett
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Great job Kaisertown....rec'd
Makes to much sense not to happen. We just have to hope there are at least a few teams interested in Lynch so the Bills don’t get low balled.
"I'm a peripheral visionary." - Steven Wright
For once I disagree with the Running Back Philosophy
I do believe that Marshawn will go and it is very unfortunate for us. Although, extremely fortunate for him. I disagree with the dime a dozen philosophy.
We’ve busted on Dwayne Wright and Xavier Omon recently, struck it rich with Freddy Jackson. The part I don’t like is that there are so many different styles that Running Backs bring that it is not uncommon for teams to rely solely on the back of one horse. Two is usually required and those two are usually of different styles. The multiple running back scheme helps keeping defenses honest by causing different personnel substitutions to defend the different style of back. Then there is the pass protection part of the running back. How critical is this when the only thing between your quarterback and a DE is a young inexperienced RB. Furthermore, if they are a dime a dozen then why did we finish the year with only two on our roster.
I’ve read this comment before, and this post is very good, but has the RB position become that devalued that we can just put anyone back there. You mention Shonn Greene as a third rounder , but even Moreno, and McCoy for Philly all showed potential last year as Beane Wells, but these guys lacked in allot of areas, ball protection, blitz pick up, late to the holes etc… There is very promising upside for these players but a dime a dozen, I firmly believe they still carry more value on a roster than this.
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by VanScottM on Apr 11, 2010 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd
Also, who says that Freddy is gonna be able to start every game? Having two potential Pro Bowlers at the RB position is NOT a luxury that most teams have.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 12, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I rec’d the fudging fudging out of this fudging post…awesome post kaiser
"If you have a milkshake and I have a milkshake and I have a straw and my straw reaches across the room and starts to drink your milkshake. I-DRINK-YOUR-MILKSHAKE! SSSSHHHLLLUUUURRRPPPPP I DRINK IT UP!!!!!!"- There Will be Blood-one of the best quotes EVER!!
But if we were to get a 4th round pick for Lynch i’d take Johnathon Dwyer 3rd round or maybe Joe McKnight 3rd round and fill out the other needs with the 4th rounders or go with Karim in the 4th(he could be a very productive scat back)
"If you have a milkshake and I have a milkshake and I have a straw and my straw reaches across the room and starts to drink your milkshake. I-DRINK-YOUR-MILKSHAKE! SSSSHHHLLLUUUURRRPPPPP I DRINK IT UP!!!!!!"- There Will be Blood-one of the best quotes EVER!!
That looks like a good plan too. I only used Dixon and Karim because I guessed that Lynch would bring back a 4th rounder and those were the two 4th round prospects that jumped to mind. Since I view Lynch’s role on the team as a backup one, I think any of these mid round guys would adequately replace his production.
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yea, i see Dwyer as being a possible good running back(starter) or being nothing, but i view Karim as a soon to be good scat back, take you pick…can’t really lose
"If you have a milkshake and I have a milkshake and I have a straw and my straw reaches across the room and starts to drink your milkshake. I-DRINK-YOUR-MILKSHAKE! SSSSHHHLLLUUUURRRPPPPP I DRINK IT UP!!!!!!"- There Will be Blood-one of the best quotes EVER!!
Is Karim really a 4th round prospect?
Watching some video of him, he’s small and not all that shifty. He’s got good straight line speed, but he doesn’t look like a guy that will be breaking many tackles. I’ve seen him listed as a 6th-7th rounder by most draft sites. Why is he getting so hyped up around here?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Lets wait a year and get Noel Devine, anyone else. We draft a Dexter Mccluster, Dwyer, or Joe Mcknight this year
" A wise man once told me, never argue with a fool, becuase from a far, you can't tell who is who" - Jay-Z
by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Apr 13, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably Correct, ...But
Lynch may be traded. But lost in the analysis is the fact that the Bills O-line needs help and if Fred Jackson gets injured the Bills will not have an adequate replacement.
I like it. Rec'd.
My seventh rule of drafting:
Unless you can draft a sure-fire All-Pro running back, don’t draft a RB in the first round.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Does anyone doubt Lynch’s ability? My only issue is with his lack of reliable availablity due to the exceedingly creative ways he runs afoul of the personal conduct policy. I think he has the talent to be one of the better backs in the league….but only if he can get on the field.
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
by Ron From NM on Apr 11, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What we want Vs What we have, It's almost like being a parent.
His lack of reliable availability due to the exceedingly creative ways he runs afoul. This is every one’s concern. Then there is that leg strength where he gets another three yards with four defenders pulling at him. Your argument is valid as well as everyone else that would like to clean the slate, but I feel we just have to exhaust all options with Lynch before we cut ties, if we can look in the mirror an say we tried then fine, what will be will be. To me it’s like having a child that continually tries to buck the system. You work with them until you can’t do anymore. A phone call to Lynch and his agent informing them that we tried to move you at your request but the offers we’re not close to your value as a top RB. This did not allow us to make that happen. That in it’s self would show Marshawn his value to the team. Now come in and show the league how wrong they are and how correct we are.
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by VanScottM on Apr 12, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lynch has talent
But I wouldn’t have drafted him in the first round. There are very few running backs that I would’ve selected in the first round, with the most notable recently being Adrian Peterson.
Other than someone of his talent level, I pass on RB’s in the first round.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Agreed about Lynch being a poor choice in the first round. However, it’s easier to say now because because of all that’s transpired – and the Bills were also in desperate need of drafting a RB because of the McGahee fiasco.
The irony of the situation is that he may end up being a worse draft choice than Whitner(glib, I know). I don’t think anyone would have said that a year ago.
That year I was hoping that Brady Quinn was the pick
Lynch surprised me.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Does anyone doubt Lynch’s ability?
No, but I don’t think that ability is anything special. He’s a really good player, but in a league filled with good RBs, I don’t think Lynch’s ability stands out in any way. And considering that Fred Jackson is the better player, I don’t think Lynch’s production is difficult to replace.
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It's the type of RB that Lynch is.
Sure, there are lots of good backs, but Lynch is a rare combination of drive, power, and sure hands. Not many backs offer that quite like Marshawn does.
Squish the fish!
by American Bison on Apr 12, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't use "sure hands"
to describe Lynch….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I guess so
“Hey Marshawn, can you name something you have two of?”
“Sure, hands”
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well, that's cute, K!
Actually, I looked up how he compares to the league avg:
League avg: 2006 179 fumbles/ 15322 c= 1.17 per 100 carries
2007 166 fumbles/ 14986 c = 1.11 per
Marshawn’s stats: ’07 = 280 carries, 2 fumbles; ’08 = 250 c, 2 f; ’09 = 120 c, 3 f.
So, during his first two seasons, he was fumbling .75 times per 100 carries. Last year was not so great, but I see that as an outlier. Also, if you subtract the fumbles he recovered, he has only lost 3 in his entire career!
a.k.a. Undee
True
I wouldn’t use “sure hands” to describe Lynch….
How about sticky fingers :-)
"I'm a peripheral visionary." - Steven Wright
Or Dr. Greenthumb
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Exactly.
I don’t think Lynch’s ability stands out in any way. And considering that Fred Jackson is the better player, I don’t think Lynch’s production is difficult to replace.
Lynch has had some nice runs during his Bills career but nothing that would make me say, “Wow! No other RB in the league could do that.” He has ability but it isn’t special, elite, irreplaceable kind of talent.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
judging by the list of 3rd + 4th round backs kaiser provided
I’d say only Barber, Jacobs, and maybe Norwood have the kind of pile-driving ability of Lynch. Not many RB’s can drag 4 defenders for 2-3 yards multiple times on the same drive. He is special, and would be more so if Gailey gets a water bug to compliment the talents of Lynch and Jackson.
Squish the fish!
by American Bison on Apr 12, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
But do the Bills need that specific skill set? If Jackson is starting, wouldn’t a home run hitter like Norwwod, Washington or Charles provide more production than a drag tacklers for the extra yard back in Lynch?
If Fred Jackson wasn’t a Bill, then I’d be on the complete opposite side of the trade Marshawn argument. But I think that as a backup, or even in a 50/50 rotation, Lynch doesn’t bring much more to the table than a 4th rounder would.
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I disagree.
If the Bills are indeed going to be a power running team, then yes, sir, they need that specific skill set.
Do you think Fred Jackson can avoid injuries all year as the feature back?
Yes I would take Norwood and Charles (and maybe Washington) over Lynch. What are the odds the Bills get a back of that quality, as opposed to Clarett, Booker, or Morency?
Squish the fish!
by American Bison on Apr 12, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Fred Jackson can avoid injuries all year as the feature back?
He did last year.
And I’ll roll the dice on drafting a potential bust. But I also think that we could draft a bust and he could come in and give us 3 yards per carry in a backup role and still be kind of close to Lynch’s production. If we’re talking about 5 carries a game, then it’s around a 5 yard per game difference.
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Fred does have a running style that seems to absorb the major hits, and he is aware of the field, so I think he has a natural way of staying healthy…but this is the Bills, right? : ) : (
Squish the fish!
by American Bison on Apr 12, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He does, he always seems to be slipping through tacklers and staying away from big hits, I love his running style.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Apr 13, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Lynch's ability
People only seem to look at him as a power RB being able to drag a few defending players along the way to gain extra 2-3yards. But he also has decent hands to catch a pass out of the backfield, and is one of the better blockers in pass plays.
Most power RBs do not have all 3 abilities (especially in catching the football).
I think you’re selling Lynch a bit short. But that doesn’t mean I won’t trade him. As Kaiser mentioned in his post, there is no point to keep a cancel in the locker room. It’s just a matter of find the right value.
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i mean "cancer"
Bills fan half way around the world
But he also has decent hands to catch a pass out of the backfield
nope – he plain sucks at catching a football. not sure what got him that label that he’s a decent pass catcher – if he is I haven’t seen it
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 12, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure have
I dont know where you get the idea that he stinks at catching the ball. Hes had some drops sure but every running back does. Marshawn has made a lot of plays for us out of the backfield. From what I’ve seen he is a good receiver.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
in 2008 Lynch had 8 dropped passes
last year he caught 28 passes – i dont’ know how many dops he had, but I remember 3 for sure so i’m guessing in the 2-5 range.
i’d say that’s below average
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 12, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hes had some drops sure but every running back does
also – from the site i listed – there are only 2 other RBs on that list. wish I had one for last year! but he didn’t play as much.
he caught 47 passes in 2008 and had 8 drops which is what about 20% so 20% of the time you throw a pass in his direction he drops it?
i’ll see if i can find last years – but for some reason i can’t seen to find it (anyone gotta link?)
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a rule I totally agree with. The only other exception I’d throw in there is a Super Bowl contending team picking late in the first round. Especially if they’re looking for a player to compliment somebody already on the roster. If they’re looker for a home run hitter or a between the tackles bruiser to finish of their offense.
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I'd go with that.
If New Orleans took Mathews I wouldn’t critic that move.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
This was a well written post.
I dont agree with the second part of it but the first part was a very well thought out description of the Lynch/Bills issue right now. Good read.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Lynch ain't going nowhere
Nix is a smart man. Lynch has no value right now, even he knows it. Make him play out his contract. I personally think that given a chance in Gailey’s offense, that Lynch will regain the starting position.
I just can’t see Nix dealing him while his value is so low, there is no reason to do so. We are desperate for an upgrade at QB and we are shaky at best at WR. Gailey is known for power running offenses. Why would you trade your most powerful RB? Gailey needs both Jackson & Lynch in order to succeed and take pressure off of our anemic QB and WR situation.
Personally I don’t care about a 4th rounder or any unproven player. I would much prefer to go into 2010 with Lynch in my backfield. Everyone is saying that Freddy is the uncontested starter this year and that might be true for week 1 but I think that could easily change if Marshawn plays the way he can. I also do not agree with giving Freddy the bulk of the carries automatically, again if Lynch is playing well, he deserves carries. It’s no wonder that most around here prefer Jackson because he’s a feel good story, a mature player who’s a rags to riches story. He rightfully deserves the starting time he’s getting. Lynch is an immature punk who’s made a few too many errors. But when you take a step back and look at the type of runner that Lynch is, just imagine the damage that he could do if Gailey is able to get the line blocking in front of him. Lynch is getting older and is maturing, I think that if he’s given another chance in Gailey’s system, that he could be a big part of our rebuilding process. He will be in camp and he will play. He needs to play big if he ever expects a big extension. Let’s capitalize on that. For the record, he has never said that he did not want to play in Buffalo or that he wanted out, it’s all rumors.
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by keysh67 on Apr 12, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
rec’d because I agree with everything you said
For the record, he has never said that he did not want to play in Buffalo or that he wanted out, it’s all rumors.
especially this – I assume that who ever started this thinks a) he didn’t get many carries last year and b) he didn’t attend a voluntary work out.
assumptions are the mother of all screw ups
I hope they don’t trade him for a 4th rounder – we spent a 1st rounder on the guy. why trade him? even if he screws up it’s no different than him getting injured. if we had other options or didn’t have a roster to fill out then I would say ok., maybe, sure type of thing – but we have so many other holes to fill and he’s a good player.
his value is so low as you point out keysh that I don’t see a trade being worthwhile to the Bills – which is what is more important. he’s also only making under a 1 million next year barring incentives – so it’s not like his salary is an issue
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 12, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I assume that who ever started this thinks a) he didn’t get many carries last year and b) he didn’t attend a voluntary work out.
And c) I think he might have made as much as three times what he made last year if he had been starting. And I think that might be true of this upcoming season too. You don’t see first round picks make $632,080, so I’m working under the assumption that Lynch has a lot of playing time incentives built into his contract. I think Lynch wants out of Buffalo because he’ll double or even triple his salary if he’s on a team that gives him 15-20 carries a game.
Or d) Mark Gaughan of the Buffalo news was the first media person to publically speculate that Lynch wants out of Buffalo and he said that his sources were other players on the Bills.
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can’t argue with any of that (I didn’t read anything about other players saying he wanted out).
good thing it’s really not up to him – he signed a contract and he has 2 years left on it.
I wonder if he thinks he’s good enough that he could sit out for a season or training camp when he already has multiple strikes against him – if i was a GM – that would put even more of a red flag up. but then again – there are some real losers still playing all in this league that I would never want on my team – but i’m sure some team would take him
We got the tools, We got the talent
Gaughan’s premise for the article was that, in talking to players, the team seemed to have a vibe that Lynch wouldn’t mind being traded. Maybe Lynch had actually said something to them. Maybe they were just speculating themselves. Maybe they knew what I’ve been speculating on about how much less money Lynch is going to make. I don’t know what it was because Gaughan didn’t come out and say anything specific. But he did feel strongly enough about it to write an article claiming that Lynch wouldn’t mind being traded.
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Well said, keysh!
I’m so glad you put this opinion together. I think you nailed it here.
I have this horrible image of Lynch being traded to the Pats for a fourth rounder, and then having to watch him carry 5 Bills defenders over the goal line…for years to come.
And meanwhile the Bills ended up with someone like Mike Goodson, Lorenzo Booker, Tony Hunt, Antonio Pittman, Dwayne Wright, Brian Calhoun, Michael Robinson, Vernand Morency, Maurice Clarett, or Ciatrick Fason. In fact, looking at that list of 3rd and 4th round backs from the last few years, I only see 5-6 (out of 23) that I would take over ML. Not very good odds of getting lucky…
a.k.a. Undee
...just to reinforce an important fact...
For the record, he has never said that he did not want to play in Buffalo or that he wanted out, it’s all rumors.
a.k.a. Undee
For the record, he has never said that he did not want to play in Buffalo or that he wanted out, it’s all rumors.
Neither did Jason Peters. And I’d call it speculation more than rumors. I don’t think I’m exactly making a leap by saying that Lynch would strongly prefer to be on a team where he would start. Especially if I’m right and he would make 2 or 3 times as much money that way.
Gailey needs both Jackson & Lynch in order to succeed and take pressure off of our anemic QB and WR situation
Why? Buffalo didn’t need both last year. And I think that Lynch’s 4 yards per carry, as powerful and impressive as he makes them look, are very replaceable. I think one of those unproven 4th rounders can come in and play a complimentary role almost as well as Lynch can, or maybe even better.
It’s no wonder that most around here prefer Jackson because he’s a feel good story
I think it’s the other way around. Jackson is the one that people prefer because he was almost a half a yard per carry more productive than Marshawn Lynch has ever shown he can be in the NFL and he did that behind arguably the worst OL in the league. If Marshawn Lynch wasn’t a former first round pick, I don’t think people would be worried about trading him when his value is down. But Lynch wasn’t a first round investment that Gailey made or that Nix made. At this point, Lynch is nothing more than a really solid 4 yard per carry RB who happens to be on a team with a better runner on the roster.
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Re Peters - agreed kaiser....some can read the signs, and some people don't know the toilet is going to overflow until after they flush
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Read signs? Obviously a 23 year old that went from hero to zero is upset and would like to go where people want him and more importantly where he can make more money – wouldn’d you? Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
I would not be surprised at all if he’d want out but the fact remains that he has not said anything yet in that regard and even if he did it wouldn’t matter because we own his rights.
That’s still no reason to trade him. We own him – period. There is no reason to give in, no reason at all. He’ll come to camp and he’ll suck it up. And when he starts having success in the Gailey system and earning more playing time, people and fans will start supporting him again.
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That’s still no reason to trade him. We own him – period. There is no reason to give in, no reason at all. He’ll come to camp and he’ll suck it up
I’m not convinced of that at all. He’s already gotten into trouble off the field and I can only imagine what he’ll do in year two of watching most of the game from the sidelines while thinking about how he’d be spending the extra money he would be making if he were in the game. Lynch hasn’t shown the ability to make good decisions and I think it’s a good bet he’d do something very stupid off the field if he were unhappy with being here.
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Lynch would strongly prefer to be on a team where he would start
That’s his problem. The way to fix it is to grow up and play like everyone knows he can and claim his starting role back. There is absolutely no need to trade him.
I think one of those unproven 4th rounders can come in and play a complimentary role almost as well as Lynch can
Like Dwayne Wright (2007)? Like Lionel Gates (2005)? Or Jarrett Ferguson (2002) ? Our luck with day 3 RBs is really bad!
As for Jackson, he’s a great running back and a very different one than Lynch. He is more of an outside runner and not much of a pounding back whereas Lynch is a North South, punisher – He could and should be used like Jacobs or Marion the barbarian. And I guess you missed my whole point… I firmly believe that Gailey will get that line to block well and I believe that it would benefit a guy like Lynch the most. What makes Lynches 4y per carry so impressive is that half of it is while he’s dragging a couple of guys on his back. We ran a pittyful offense that was soooooo predictable! Everyone knew when we would run and it was behind crap like Preston and Fowler, and he still managed to run well over 1000y in both those seasons. Last year was a crap year and everyone knows why. I am not willing to give up on him. He’s worth way more than a 4th and I for one completely disagree with selling him short.
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Gates and Ferguson were 7th rounders, so it’s tough to be critical of them being busts. The Bills did draft Sammy Morris and Jonathon Linton in the 5th round and Shawn Bryson in the 3rd round. Any of those guys could give similiar production to Lynch if they had 100 carries.
What makes Lynches 4y per carry so impressive is that half of it is while he’s dragging a couple of guys on his back.
But why does he have to do that while Fred Jackson can pick up 4.5 yards per carry by simply picking the correct direction to run in? I don’t think Lynch has the vision and instincts to consistently have big gains. He’s always had to work for his yardage, but that’s not what the best backs do. They make it look easy. And was a line of Jason Peters – Derrick Dockery – Fowler/Preson – Brad Butler – Langston Walker that bad of a run blocking line? I guess we disagree, but I think Lynch is what he is. And that is a really good RB if he’s given 250 carries and just another 4 yard per carry backup if he gets 150. As a player, his value is better than a 4th round pick, but his current role on the team isn’t worth more than that.
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Trade Lynch for a mid-round pick
and draft LaGarrette Blount, who is a stud running back – Big and Powerful.
Big and Powerful.
I bet he could beat up 6 average sized fans at the same time.
Buffalo doesn’t need another RB with character issues. I hope Blunt get his act together…………..
yup
That would be like trading in your Hummer because you don’t like the MPG’s, and then driving home in an Yukon.
Squish the fish!
by American Bison on Apr 12, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I say, Toby Gerhart if your looking for a big back.
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by SouthBuffaloNDgrad on Apr 13, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The 2nd thing Buffalo could do is play hard ball. Force him to camp. Tell him that he’s under contract and he’s a Buffalo Bill.
He hasn’t missed anything that was compulsory. They can’t make him come to voluntary workouts especially when Schobel isn’t there (and never really was in past years, either).
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 12, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
I meant training camp. I don’t think Lynch is a lock to show up for up that. This entire fanpost was written under my speculation that the rumors of Lynch wanting out of Buffalo are true and that it is entirely about playing time and money. If Lynch believes that he’ll make less than a million dollars again, I’d bet on him holding out and/or demanding a trade.
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This entire fanpost was written under my speculation that the rumors of Lynch wanting out of Buffalo are true and that it is entirely about playing time and money.
Ahhh. Gotcha.
Squish the fish!
by American Bison on Apr 12, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
This whole thing is blown way out of proportion
Lynch didn’t attend voluntary workouts. Not a great way to get on the new regime’s good side, but we’re talking about grown men. It’s not a popularity contest. I think we’ve all seen what a team will put up with when the talent makes it worthwhile.
This “rumor” is being reported that “some” players get a “vibe” or “hunch” that Lynch would be happier elsewhere? Big deal. I’m not saying that there’s a 0% chance of Lynch getting traded, but there’s no way that he deserves to be fired out of a cannon like Santonio Holmes did from Pittsburgh for a 5th round pick. They’ve both made some bad choices, but Lynch hasn’t done anything wrong… lately.
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by Run Thurmal Run! on Apr 12, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My belief that Lynch wants out has nothing to do with him not being in Buffalo for the voluntary workouts. I just can’t imagine that a guy who lost over a million dollars because he lost his starting job and who will lose another million dollars if he doesn’t start this year wouldn’t want to be traded. Add that to Mark Gaughan’s piece in the Buffalo news and I think Lynch wants out. Gaughan’s story wasn’t rumor. He was reporting on what other players on the team told him and they told him they think Lynch wants out of Buffalo.
I wouldn’t compare the Lynch thing to the Holmes trade either. My logic for the Lynch trade isn’t about him being a character risk. I think it’s all about ego and money. If Buffalo trades Lynch to a team that will give him 200 carries, they’re not dumping him, they’re doing him a favor.
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Kaiser you make a strong argument, however
I would have to disagree on a couple points. first I don’t think Rbs are a dime a dozen at least not RBs with lynch’s talent. You mention that many had 1000 yard seasons but many of those played on teams with acctual offensive lines in front of them. The bills have had well below average O=lines for Lynch’s entire career. Now I’m sure you would argue that Jackson played behind the same line last year but you have to keep in mind that they are diferent style backs and that a lot of jackson’s success came because he was more of a threat as a reciever than Lynch and did not have to rely as much on getting through non existing holes in the line.
I’m sure Lynch would love to go to a team like Sandiego and if he does It won’t surprise me if he goes well over 2000 yards from scrimage. I think we all know he’s capable of doing that if whatever team he’s playing for gives him the rock enough, something he didn’t get last year with buffalo.
i love freddie Jackson he’s got more heart than most but Lynch is top notch talent that the Bills picked in the first round and rightly so!
I don’t think Rbs are a dime a dozen at least not RBs with lynch’s talent
I agree with that. Although, I don’t think Lynch is special. For me, he’s not one of the top 10-15 RBs in the league or anything.
Where I think RBs are a dime a dozen is in rotational roles. A huge part of my logic for trading Lynch is that I don’t think the Bills should resign him after his contract is up in a couple years. Between the off field stuff, the pricetag for an established starting RB and the risk involved with long term investments to vet Rbs, I think it’s best to just let him walk. With Jackson on the roster, that means that I view Lynch as a backup player for a couple years and then a free agent. In that role, I think RBs are a dime a dozen and Lynch is very replaceable.
How many carries do people think Lynch will get next year? 120? 150? 170? More? I’d guess it’s under 10 carries per game if Jackson stays healthy or a little over 10 per game if Jackson misses some time. So how much difference in production are we talking about between Lynch and somebody else? Looking back at guys in that 120-170 carry range, there are random players like Correll Buckhalter, Justin Forsett, Tim Hightower, Justin Fargas, Ryan Moats and Jason Snelling who all gave similiar production to what Marshawn brings to the table in that role. The only players to receive that kind of production who didn’t do well were the supposedly good Steve Slaton and the completely shot Larry Johnson and Jamal Lewis. In 2008 there was Mewelde Moore, Maurice Morris, Earnest Graham and Sammy Morris who did what Lynch would do and only the Colts’ backs (Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes) and late round rookie, Tim Hightower had poor seasons. And those successes don’t include players one would expect to do well like Fred Taylor and some of the league’s good change of pace guys.
a lot of jackson’s success came because he was more of a threat as a reciever than Lynch and did not have to rely as much on getting through non existing holes in the line
Fred Jackson’s 4.5 yards per carry is considerably better than anything Lynch has ever done in the NFL and ranked 13th in the league of the 43 backs who had 120 carries. He was fantastic behind that awful OL.
I’m sure Lynch would love to go to a team like Sandiego and if he does It won’t surprise me if he goes well over 2000 yards from scrimage
Tomlinson and Sproles didn’t combine to do that last year. With Sproles still on the roster, I’d be shocked to see him have that type of season somewhere else. I don’t think he’s that type of player.
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by kaisertown on Apr 13, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess..
The biggest difference between your stance and mine is that you’ve already wrote him off, whereas I have not.
I believe that a back with his talent will come alive in a Gailey run offense whereas you don’t. Name me one back that is harder to bring down than Lynch (other than maybe Barber), you’ll be hard pressed. It seems that every play he’s dragging people on his back and the whissle goes without Lynch every touching the ground – that is pure power. I can only imagine what Gailey’s offensive philosophy will do for Lynch’s game, I am thrilled at the prospect of our shinny new guards powering their way though opposing D-Lines, blasting a hole for Lynch to “Beast his way through” and attack the second level. I think Lynch could not only win back his starting job but also win back the hearts of the fan base as well. I love Freddy Jackson, he’s a great 3rd down back and change of pace guy but he is not a beast of a north south runner like Lynch is, very few are. I think Kaisertown, what you are completely forgetting to factor in is just how bad the line was for the past 5 years and more importantly the importance of it had to Lynch’s running style compared to Jackson’s.
Simply put, you want to get rid of him and I personally don’t. If we were trading him for a second round pick or a first I wouldn’t like it but i’d accept it as probably the smart thing to do but for anything less, I much prefer to keep him because I know he can flourish in Gailey’s system.
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I’ve called Marhsawn Lynch a really good back a number of times in this thread. I don’t think I’ve written him off at all. I just think Fred Jackson is the better player and it’s not that close. I also think that Marhsawn won’t put up a higher ypc in a reduced role than he would with 250 carries.
If there is one consistent thing about Chan Gailey led offenses, it’s that he rides one running back. He didn’t use Travis Minor in Miami, Chris Warren in Dallas, Eric Pegram in Pittsburgh or Jamaal Charles in KC for more than 20% of the running attack. I don’t think he’ll go with a rotation here and I think that regardless of style, Fred Jackson is a better player. He instinctually knows where to go and how to make guys miss better than Lynch does. If Lynch could really turn a hole into a bigger gain, then why haven’t we seen glimpses of that?
Simply put, you want to get rid of him
This fanpost is entirely about how I believe Marshawn wants to get rid of Buffalo, not the other way around. And I don’t mind that because I think his role on the team is very replaceable.
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I never realized that Gailey’s never used multiple backs or rotations and I guess if you think he won’t even with Lynch/Jackson then I agree with you that lynch has very little chance if proving himself worthy. But I don’t feel that way. I think that if Lynch starts proving that he is worthy of more carries that he’ll get them
If Lynch could really turn a hole into a bigger gain, then why haven’t we seen glimpses of that?
c’mon Kaiser, you can’t be serious here? Marshawn Lynch Highlights or here’s the 2009 highlights of both Lynch & Jackson
I look at the 2009 highlights and clearly they are complimentary backs. At 3:42 into the video you can see a long run by Jackson and the last 8y were gained because of a great block by Lynch, not the act of a selfish person. Lynch & Jackson work well together, nobody that we can get in the 4th or off the street will have the same value or impact. Another thing that is quite clear in this highlights video, Jackson is an awesome outside runner, a completely different type of runner than Lynch.
Obviously Marshawn would prefer to start and getting a fresh start in a city that doesn’t hate you, in a city that has a chance at a playoff run would probably be appealing to Lynch right at this moment. Half the fan base has turned on the guy, can you blame him for wanting a trade? It’s still not a good reason to trade him. He is not a bad person, he’ll be in camp and he’ll work hard every chance he gets. Why trade someone that could bounce back and has a chance to be such a huge part of the rebuilding process?
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Lynch had 530 carries over two seasons. Of course there are highlights of him breaking some longer runs. You could probably pull up a youtube video of Justin Fargas and make it look like he’s got big play potential. The truth is that Lynch hasn’t been able to show the ability to find open field like Fred Jackson has and Jackson did it behind a worse OL.
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You are comparing apples to oranges here
Jackson is not a North South power back, here’s an outside “slasher” type running back. Marshawn earns his living running up the A gap and Freddy earns it bouncing to the outside. You cannot say that Jackson is better behind a bad Oline because he does not need big blocking up the A-gap, he rarely runs there!
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Without getting too detailed
In looking at each player’s statistical splits from their ESPN profiles, Jackson is doing a much better job running up the middle.
Lynch:
2007: 59 carries, 179 yards, 3.0 yards per attempt
2008: 67 carries, 200 yards, 3.0 ypa
2009: 44 carries, 155 yards, 3.5 ypa
Total: 170 carries, 534 yards, 3.1 ypa
Jackson:
2007: 19 carries, 75 yards, 3.9 ypa
2008: 38 carries, 177 yards, 4.7 ypa
2009: 84 carries, 298 yards, 3.5 ypa
Total: 141 carries, 550 yards, 3.9 ypa
OK, so he doesn’t have quite as many carries as Lynch does up the gut, but he’s performed much better, it would seem.
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I think a line would benefit Lynch the most – he seems to dance and whatnot around the LOS – but if you can get him to that second level then he probably won’t be running away from guys – but he’ll definately be running over them
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 13, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If there is one consistent thing about Chan Gailey led offenses, it’s that he rides one running back. He didn’t use Travis Minor in Miami, Chris Warren in Dallas, Eric Pegram in Pittsburgh or Jamaal Charles in KC for more than 20% of the running attack. I don’t think he’ll go with a rotation here and I think that regardless of style
true but flawed to a point. he’s going with the 3-4 because it seems to work better – the league seems to be moving to a rotation of RBs so it’s not out of the question even remotely that he will adopt the rotational RB plan if he feels that its a proven method
We got the tools, We got the talent
Jamaal Charles got 67 carries in 2008 and then exploded after Gailey left. Not because Todd Hailey was a better coach, but because they actually gave him the football. Charles had a 18 carry, 106 yard game in their 8th game of the season and Gailey responded by giving him 2.5 carries per game for the rest of the season. That was just two years ago.
And it was awhile ago, but it doesn’t exactly take a trendsetter to give Travis Minor and his 5 yards per carry a few more touches per game while mediocre Lamar Smith slams into the line 300+ times per year for 3 yard per carry production. Gailey has always ridden his starting RB. I know there has been talk of adding a waterbug and the league is changing, but I can’t imagine a running back other than Fred Jackson getting 10 carries per game for the Bills.
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Keep Lynch This Year
Give him a chance to get more carries. Let him train in California, let him come in, when Camp starts. At 885,000 this year, there is NO BETTER option in the NFL for the Bills, as a backup RB … than Marshawn Lynch
At 885,000 this year, there is NO BETTER option in the NFL for the Bills, as a backup RB … than Marshawn Lynch
And that’s exactly why I’m not confident he will show up to training camp. That is the reason why I think Marshawn Lynch wants to be traded and may be doing things behind the scenes to make that happen.
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90% of our worries are for nothing.
Until he doesn’t show up, he will. I will remind everyone that he has not said one word to substantiate these rumors. He has chosen to skip the voluntary workouts, so what? I don’t think it’s very smart of him but he’s a grown man and can decide for himself. I don’t see anyone making a federal case out of Schobel’s absence or Brett Favre’s absence.
And again, even if he is indeed unhappy with the situation and privately hoping for a trade, who cares? He is under contract and he has never given anybody around here a reason to think that he’d do anything else but the right thing, so why are we speculating so much? For the possibility of getting losing him for a 4th? C’mon, that’s not good sound management and you know it.
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For the possibility of getting losing him for a 4th? C’mon, that’s not good sound management and you know it.
this is where you and I see eye to eye.
unless we get really good value then why would we trade him? if he’s on the block then I have to assume it’s for higher than a 4th or 5th or he’d probably be gone already (holmes comes to mind).
he was a high-ish first round pick and now we want to trade him for a 4th or 5th because he “might” not be happy playing for a losing franchise? big f’in deal – like you said keysh – unless he doesn’t show up to a mandatory meeting or OTA then we might have problems – but he has to know his value will only drop even furthur if he starts pulling stunts like that.
I have to think that Nix would do it but only for the right compensation – so if he wants to use him to move up the board for a player they really like then i wouldn’t be opposed to it as long as the compensation fits.
We got the tools, We got the talent
I’ve never mentioned the voluntary workouts as part of my reasoning. Lynch wouldn’t publically say he wanted a trade until he was out of other options. The first thing he’ll do is have his agent tell the Bills that he wants to go somewhere he will play and I think he’s already done that. I think the Bills will trade Lynch because he’s told them he wants to be traded. And I think that’s where all the rumors are coming from.
Considering his first round and Pro Bowl status turned backup from 2007 to 2008. And considering that has cost him millions and will cost him millions more if he stays here, I think he wants out. I don’t think it’s about the Bills not wanting Lynch, I think it’s about Lynch not wanting to get 8 carries per game and make under 900 K in the process. How often does a team really keep proven quality starters as backups? Looking around the league, the Panthers are the only team with multiple guys who profile as starting RBs and have proven they can be productive with that workload. And I’d bet that if it were costing Stewart or Williams half their paycheck to be in that situation, they would want out too. If there is one thing you hear from athletes over and over and over again, it’s that it’s a business.
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I understand your point about his paycheck, I have since the beginning but where we disagree is giving in to his demand of getting traded. He has ZERO leverage. It was up to him to think about this before acting stupid. We own his rights and we’d be stupid to settle for a 4th rounder or equivalent crappy vet in exchange.
Marshawn is the only one to blame in all of this and he is the only one that can fix this. By being a good soldier, cleaning up his act and winning back the starting job.
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No Lynch Trade.........
Buddy Nix said so today at lunch. We need two backs and he is still under contract (and for cheap). Lynch will suck it up, come in and have a great year (If our line gets their stuff together).
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Apr 14, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
That’s what every team says before they trade a guy. Just this offseason, Josh McDaniels said that Brandon Marshall was a big part of the team and they were expecting him to be on the team this year. And everybody knew that he was going to be traded. Tony Sparano said that TO and Brandon Marshall wouldn’t be good fits on the Dolphins.
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by kaisertown on Apr 15, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Or a better example would be McNabb. How many times did Andy Reid talk him up before they traded him?
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