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Bills beefing up at running back

Yesterday, the Buffalo Bills signed a second running back in less than week, agreeing to terms with second-year pro Rodney Ferguson. That signing, coupled with last week's signing of street free agent Walter Mendenhall, boosts the Bills' running back depth to four bodies, with the other two, of course, being Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch.

Add in the fact that head coach Chan Gailey would like the team to add a "water bug" scat-back type to the roster, and two questions emerge: what exactly is going on at running back, and why are the Bills signing backs that are the opposite of "water bugs"?

The answer is simple: Lynch is reportedly on the trade block, and word is that he's fallen out of favor not only with Gailey and GM Buddy Nix, but also with team owner Ralph Wilson. If Lynch is traded, he's expected to be traded over draft weekend, if not sooner. In preparation for that possibility, it's clear that the Bills were looking to add bigger bodies behind Jackson to help take some of the wear and tear away from their starter and whichever water bug back they acquire. As BuffaloBills.com's Chris Brown astutely points out, both Mendenhall (223 pounds) and Ferguson (234) are big-bodied backs that excel between the tackles and are physically capable of taking a pounding.

Jackson (215 pounds) is a bigger back himself, but is more of a slasher than a bruiser. He'll need depth behind him if he's to survive a full season as the Bills' lead back.

Running back was not a position many expected to get a makeover upon Gailey's arrival in Buffalo, but the re-model has already begun - and now it's a wild card position that could really shake up the way the team goes about acquiring rookies next Thursday.

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3 backs will be on the roster @ the start of the season IMO

I think there will be an open competition between Mendenhall & Ferguson as to who stays and who goes – It also looks like Lynch’s days are numbered. So I think the Bills will start the season with Jackson, Mendenhal/or Ferguson and a scatback, giving them 3 backs on the roster.

by Kill_Bill on Apr 13, 2010 8:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Don’t forget Justice Hairston. :-)

I’m actually wondering if McIntyre might get a little play at RB, at least during the pre-season.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Apr 13, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I can tell, Hairston is not actually on the roster.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 13, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I thought about that after I posted it. It’s weird how he just disappeared into thin air. But then again, it’s not like we have a ton of depth and if he’s gonna catch on anywhere, it might as well be here. He’s probably got a similar skill set to the other 2 recent signees, being a goal line back.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Apr 13, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Gaughan pointed that out the other day. He reported Hairston was on the roster then a couple days later took it back.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 14, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

dumb question: but what does IMO mean?

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by NCbillsfan12 on Apr 13, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

And if you see IMHO that is In My Humble Opinion.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ferguson

ran for over 1,000 yards three seasons in a row at New Mexico. He is also 6’0, 234", of which I believe the Bills are looking to find some bigger backs to run through the holes that never seem to be there. Buddy Nix is known for finding talent from smaller schools, like Antonio Gates at Kent State, so hopefully he found a back who at least will keep his nose clean, unlike Lynch.

by BuffaloWhiner on Apr 13, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Lynch

If Lynch really does not want to be here then trade him with a future pick to get something this year.
Like him as a running back however, if he wants out get rid of him ASAP.
He is from Oakland, so send him back there along with a future high draft pick to get into the first round this year.
Just trading him straight up for a late pick is a joke.
Buddy Nix wake up and get creative now or you just might be out of a job before you know it.
Talent should be the priority not the so call many small deals made so far by the team.
You think small, you think wrong.
Trade Lynch and future 3rd and 4 th round pick to get into the first round this year and get talent.
Not just hope as usuual.

GO BILLS!

by Dziedzic on Apr 13, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Just as an FYI, comments like this are total thread-hijackers, because now everybody will want to tell you how ridiculous your trade proposal is. So thanks for that, I guess.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 13, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, for abuse of the enter key.

by quantumuprising on Apr 13, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s an FYI, pan seared in STFU.

by jj24 on Apr 13, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

lol

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for culinary reference

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets Draft Tebow

Thats more along the lines of a thread highjacker “IMHO.”

by tyoungs25 on Apr 13, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ridculous?

Today Denver made a great deal by getting two #2’s for B.Marshall.
Now us trading players like Lynch, Evans, Whitner & Youboty in various package deals would also get us needed choice picks for the future run at a Super Bowl.
When you insult and use the word ridiculous, you are already not even trying to be creative in your deal making for the team.
I guess that makes Denver deal ridiculous Hah?
Sounds like Denver thinks big and you fighting ideas to make deals for the Bills thinks small.
Root for the Bills!
As always I am just going to keep on rooting for them to towards victories and maybe some good trades for the future.

by Dziedzic on Apr 14, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Marshall trade was fair. They got the 2010 equivalent of a 2 and a 3 (because future picks are downgraded a round, e.g. a 2011 2 is equal to a 2010 3).

Oh, and the fact that Brandon Marshall is ten times the talent and puts up far, far more production at a more premium position does, in fact, make the idea of trading Lynch and a 3/4 for a 1st-round pick ridiculous. Sorry.

And now I’ve gone and hijacked my own damn thread. I TOLD YOU!

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just Try

Enjoy the draft and really root for our Bills to make some serious trades for better talent.
Subtraction can lead to addition for the Bills.
Just Try and wish it for us towards the draft.

GO BILLS!

by Dziedzic on Apr 14, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can't really be certain of anything

But I’d bet that Nix’s job isn’t hanging in the balance based on Lynch’s future.

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by Der Jaeger on Apr 13, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

what a waste of the 12th overall draft pick....right?

Now that it seems evident that Marshawn Lynch will be traded for minimal compensation, do we consider his selection at pick #12 to be a poor decision?

2 1,000 yard rushing seasons, 19 overall tds (17 rushing, 1 receiving, 1 passing) in his 3 years here.

But the 4th year after his selection, the guy is no longer useful. Except, of course, for the late round draft pick he will return.

In hindsight, that has to be considered a poor pick, right?

Just for reference, guys selected around his pick:

pick 11 – Patrick Willis
pick 13 – Adam Carriker
pick 14 – Darrelle Revis
pick 15 – Lawrence Timmons

And while I realize that Anthony Davis’ red flags are not of the legal variety, having gone through the Marshawn Lynch experience, it really makes me wish the Bills do not select Davis because of his rumored weight issues and somewhat erratic behavior the past few months. (Give me Baby Baluga I guess if we are going OT.)

And lastly, just thought this was funny: When I type in “Marshawn Lynch” into google, the first phrase google comes up with to help in the search is “Marshawn Lynch ugly”!!!! How wrong is that? (but funny…..)

by StroudFanClub on Apr 13, 2010 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Not a poor pick

Marshawn served his purpose for a few years. Sure I’d like for him to be a happy camper and stick around but he WAS our offense for 2 years.

If Marshawn is a poor pick then Jason Campbell is a poor pick because WA only wants 4-5 round pick for him. I don’t buy it.

by shamus321 on Apr 13, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few years?

Two. Your first round #12 overall pick has to do more than serve a purpose for 2 years.

by twoeightnine on Apr 13, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Com' on guys...

its not like Lynch is not talented…his talent warranted the #12 pick…

@CBF- If Willis was still there @#12, he would have been a Bill, dont throw him in there because it makes it seem like the Bills could have gotten Willis. No way Nolan was gonna let that happen.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

You’d have to hope the 12th pick in the draft does more than serve his purpose for 2 years. That makes him a bad pick, if that’s all he did. When you have a pick that high, you’d have to hope he becomes a building block and part of a team’s foundation. Obviously, Lynch is not that.

Look at some of the talent after him in that draft…Revis, Timmons, Hall, Griffin, Nelson, Bowe, Meriweather, Beason, Spencer….That’s a lot of good players that will continue to produce for their teams picked within the 15 picks after Lynch.

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would love to have any of those guys right now.

Imagine how much better off we would be to have Beason in our LB corps? Or Timmons? Meriweather is a good player, which would have allowed us to maybe not take as many DBs in drafts after. Revis, obviously, is one of the best young players in football.

UGH.

by StroudFanClub on Apr 13, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

We got more out of Marshawn than alot of teams get out of 1st round picks. Just think Vernon Gholston. That’s why it’s not a wasted pick. Sure I wish we could get 6-8 good years out of every 1st round pick but it doesn’t always work out. I’d take 2 good years over a complete bust of a pick anyday of the week.

by shamus321 on Apr 13, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So because another team f'ed up their pick

the Bills didn’t? Gholston’s still a Jet too and could possibly, somehow, break out for the Jets. I guess Losman and Whitner weren’t bad picks because the Bengals picked Chris Perry and the Bills John McCargo in their respective drafts.

If we’re happy with and consistently getting 2 years out of our first round draft picks we won’t be seeing another Super Bowl until we’re the Ōsaka Water Buffaloes.

by twoeightnine on Apr 13, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

: )

Whitner was a good pick, maybe not the best pick, but a good one he was. And to be fair, Lynch is still on the team too, and he may break out this year just as you state Gholston might when you referenced him.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well…at the time we needed a RB. And Marshawn did not have substantial red flags going into the draft. He was very close to his mom. He moved her to B’lo. This seemed to be bad circumstance than research. It is very tough if not impossible to predict what and who these athletes will turn into when they get $$ in their pockets.

I have to think Willis would have been the pick if he had fallen.

by Berg79 on Apr 13, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, I remember that draft and how I was absolutely crushed when Willis was snagged right before the Bills picked. No guarantee they would have chosen him even if he was available (although they did grab Pos the next round).

by dougery on Apr 13, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

hold on a sec. If he had drug problems, or run ins with the law, or work ethic problems, then you have an argument. But you’re going to cite being close to his mom as a reason to have “substantial red flags?” Did i miss something here?

by quantumuprising on Apr 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said he did not have substantial red flags.

by Berg79 on Apr 13, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

then i did miss something; the word “not.”

my bad

by quantumuprising on Apr 13, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been a Lynch apologist

mostly because people call him a thug and really blow his behavior out of proportion. I think he’s a dumb, young kid. he’s not anything like Pacman. or Ray Caruth. I know I was a dumb, young kid. I bet a lot of guys who post here were dumb, young kids. Certainly not all, but a good bunch. I just imagine what magnitude of trouble I would have been in if I had money like Lynch does. I was luckily just a broke kid so my trouble was limited to smashing beer bottles in parking lots and driving my hooptie too fast and idiotic things like that.

anyway, my point here is, didn’t Lynch have red flags coming out of college? again, it was minor stuff, dumb, young kid stuff. I recall there was a little talk about it but it got hushed up quickly when we were assured that the front office had checked his background and felt comfortable that he grew up.

Well, he didn’t. He’s apparently still young and dumb, which is objectively reasonable for being 23 (though pushing it). But, Professional Football is a grownup’s business and a team can’t go forward relying on dumb, young kids.

For Lynch’s sake, I hope he wakes up and realizes what an opportunity he has for the next few years to make his mark on the world and make some money that should give him and his family a good, comfortable life for the rest of their lives.

But the team can’t wait on him. Hate to see potential like that go. Hate to see a draft pick wasted – and yeah, I think it was wasted. But we need other pieces that will work for us and not be such a distraction.

by oompaloompa on Apr 13, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about him being immature...

but I have to disagree entirely about the red flags…there was one instance that was parroted over and over. “Lynch was involved in a drive-by shooting”…which was totally misleading…Lynch was in a car waiting for his little brother to get out of school and somebody thought he was someone else and fired into the car. Saying Lynch was involved in a drive-by shooting smacked of media racism to me, since he was the victim and all, but the story was spun like he was “involved”. Either way, it checked out. Lynch was protected in Oakland by the major crime (gang) bosses, nobody wanted to mess with the city’s promising young home-grown athlete. They take a lot of pride in their athletes in Oakland.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you say that Lynch was associated with(“protected by”) major gang members, but his being targeted in a drive-by shooting was a case of mistaken identity? sure sounds like a contradiction of sorts.

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by dzil on Apr 13, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

When we drafted Lynch,

I said he would be as good as Peterson….maybe better because Peterson had durability concerns. Guess I “missed” on that one :-(

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marshawn’s not ugly so long as he has green in his pocket

by shamus321 on Apr 13, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

He has green in his pocket, but…hold on…“did anyone find a twenty…i seemed to have dropped it…”

by XtrmeCarnage82 on Apr 13, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i never said how he got green in his pocket! haha

by shamus321 on Apr 13, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of green?

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope they prove me wrong,

but Rodney Ferguson and Walter Mendenhall, sound like a big time downgrade from Marshawn Lynch.

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by Undee on Apr 13, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

That's because they are!

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spiller

Wonder if they have Spiller circled on their board?

by eze on Apr 13, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, if by circled you mean they have done so in faint pencil with six question marks around it. While the OTs, NTs, and QBs have been circled in yellow magic marker.

by dougery on Apr 13, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

This makes sense

Somewhat the same way the LaFontaine-Mogilny line did for the Sabres in the early ’90’s. The majority of the Sabres then were slower, grinders (Brad May, Yuri Khmylev, etc). When the LaFontaine-Mogilny line took the ice, they were like rockets among slugs. The speed difference caught a lot of defensemen standing flat-footed.

That’s how I see Gailey using his backs. Jackson is a slasher who can play with power and speed. He’s not the uber-fast CJ Spiller type, though. Add in bigger anvil type backs (Mendenhall, Ferguson) and a big, blocking FB in McIntyre. The defense should see plenty of single back and I-formation type dives and off-tackle plays.

Then the scatback enters the game. While the defense obviously sees that the scatback is in the formation, they’re used to tackling Jackson and Mendenhall/Feguson types. The speed of the scatback can cause the defense to break down in terms of angles and tackling fundamentals.

We see this same dynamic when the Jets pound Thomas Jones and Shonn Greene, then bring Leon Washington in the game. Lots of defenders get caught flatfooted.

Gailey’s right on in wanting a scatback. It’s a good plan and I’m all for it.

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by Der Jaeger on Apr 13, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

but at pick #9? Scatbacks are great but not when we have so many other needs that can be addressed at the 9th pick that can’t be addressed later in the draft such as a QB that can start year 1

by shamus321 on Apr 13, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that they should get Spiller

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by Der Jaeger on Apr 13, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially

With short passing QB’s on the roster. Or shall I say non true passers.

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by VanScottM on Apr 13, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd, Der Jaeger. Really good explaination.

I like what you described and agree with the philosophy.

by StroudFanClub on Apr 13, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.....rec'd

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now if only we had that scat back.....

Other than Spiller at #9 or trading up for Best in round 2, or maybe reaching for McCluster in the 2nd, where are we finding this guy? There’s not a ton of speedier guys in this year’s draft, unfortunately.

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

theres that one dude Deji Karim

by billsnterps on Apr 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see him as that type of back

He’s got good straight line speed, but he’s not all that shifty. I don’t see him fitting that quick, scatback type runner. Plus, he’s a small school player who had one year of production; it’s tough to really gauge how good he is or can be….

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

have you watched his videos? looks like plenty of “shifty” to me. plus he’s never had a single fumble. if he doesn’t have value in the 5/6 rounds, then I don’t know who does.

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by dzil on Apr 13, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Smith, Arkansas?

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by Der Jaeger on Apr 13, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

I really like Smith and have for a while, but his injury questions stand out. He’s only 5’7" 180 lbs, so that would also be a concern.

Now as a 6-8 touch a game guy, he wouldn’t be a bad choice for the Bills at all. Relying on a late round pick to be a guy like that though still might be a small stretch.

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me, the scatback isn't a big concern.

I’m not sure how high it is on Nix’s list. If it were me, i’d be low.

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by Der Jaeger on Apr 13, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nix is well aware of the size of scat backs...

he said he liked a lot of the 5-8, 180lb backs this year

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

isnt Leon Washington on the trade block?

Like K says, where are we going to get this scatback? Maybe if McCluster falls to the third?

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by poz on Apr 13, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if the Jets would want to play Washington twice a year. If they traded him, I could see it being out of the division.

by jj24 on Apr 13, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since when is Leon Washington Walter Payton? I don’t think the Jets care that much about Washington, in fact I would go so far to say that Rex Ryan would feel confident that his defense can stop anybody and not care one wit who they are.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would know – living in enemy territory. Traitor.

by jj24 on Apr 13, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had thought I wanted to bring up – when is the last time any Jets team traded with Buffalo? I can’t recall any.

by jj24 on Apr 14, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well like I said, RIGHT NOW the Bills are so far away they shouldn’t worry about that. As far as past trades goes I have no idea.

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by sireric on Apr 14, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

is that really a yuri khmylev reference? i think christian ruutu just threw up somewhere

by quantumuprising on Apr 13, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bringing back some old times

The Sabres should be on the NFL version of Missing Rings (Missing Cups).

If LaFontaine, Mogilny, and Fuhr didn’t get hurt, that’s Buffalo’s first Cup.

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by Der Jaeger on Apr 13, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree basically with what you are saying here Der Jaeger. I wouldn’t be be surprised to see the Bills go back to the basics and run a traditional power formation, and then change pace.

We do need a burner back at some point. I say Deji Karim in later rounds but it could be anyone.
Last year Jackson and for whatever reason Lynch had trouble in 3rd and shorts. They needed to bring in these battering rams in short yardage but more importantly to block.

The Bills realize they have a weak line and have often blocked with running backs. The truth is Jackson is just getting too old for that. They needed to get more physical at that position with the future being unknown with Lynch.

We also need a better Fullback than McIntyre if you go to pro football focus and look at Fullbacks you’ll notice the ones who are rated highly also play for pretty good running teams. This is no coincidence. The year we had Sam Gash our run game completely revived. Now Gash is one of the best blocking Fullbacks ever but still, McIntyre is only average but with the little importance most teams put on that position we should have a good one. Miami already has a good one in Lousaka Polite who was originally an undrafted FA

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by pasaluki on Apr 13, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

McIntyre can block? I must have missed that game...he can tackle though
and a big, blocking FB in McIntyre.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he meant blocking the running back from getting into the hole

by quantumuprising on Apr 14, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

For clarity's sake, Brian,

could you provide the link to the report that names names?

According to a couple of reports – one that names names, and one that doesn’t.

I followed the links through the previous articles, and couldn’t find a single named source. Unless, of course, you are referring to the authors of the reports…

a.k.a. Undee

by Undee on Apr 13, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

And I hope I'm wrong,

but every single article on here and NFP are linking back to the Gaughn article where he “postulates” about what Marshawn is thinking. He made it clear that this is speculation:

Has he demanded a trade? I don’t know. His agent has not returned calls from The Buffalo News.

But articles here and at NFP are making absolute statements about the situation, while all authors who have weighed in on the matter cite unnamed sources.

It’s not hard to guess that he is unhappy, or that OBD is, but why doesn’t anyone feel like offering some concrete evidence?

a.k.a. Undee

by Undee on Apr 13, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Click on

the “Lynch is on the trade block link” above.

Yahoo’s Charles Robinson says a Pro Bowl RB is on the block, with speculation that it’s Lynch.

Buffalo Sports Daily says a trade of Lynch is “inevitable”.

As always, those are just rumors at this point, so we’ll see…..

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did click on that link. That’s how I came to my conclusion that absolute statements regarding a Lynch trade at National Football Post and Buffalo Rumblings represent sketchy journalism. Many authors made no attempt to qualify these reports as likely, but unsubstantiated. The BSD article is very convincing, but it’s still vague.

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by Undee on Apr 13, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope these are all just rumors and in the end we keep Lynch.

by billsnterps on Apr 13, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I were a betting man, I would guess it’s more than rumors, and when I read articles here at Rumblings, I want to trust what I read. And when I see statements that treat the matter as a forgone conclusion, I have to do my part as a critical reader and ask this question.

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by Undee on Apr 13, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Brian is making any 'absolute statements'

He wrote his articles based on reports posted on those sites.

Plus, how is any reporter supposed to substantiate anything other than rumors? Do you think Buddy Nix will come out and say “yes, we want Lynch gone to the highest bidder”? Brian simply reported those rumors. I’m not sure why that’s such a problem for you.

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't?

Shall I go back through and cut and paste them for all to see?

The problem is how the articles are worded. You pen an article that says, absolutely, that ML wants a trade, or that, absolutely, OBD wants to trade him, and it might be rumors. But the damage can be real. If you don’t understand why this is a problem, then we don’t see eye to eye on responsible journalism.

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by Undee on Apr 13, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why don’t you email me about this, because again, this is a thread hijacker.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 13, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, K…not trying to get personal…

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by Undee on Apr 13, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't think you were

I wasn’t offended….

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've noticed that's how the reporting is here

It’s mostly opinion without really stating that it is. Sometimes the editors make claims that are beliefs in articles that don’t get assigned to opinion. They’re credible writers, but the statements are sometimes more like arguments they’re putting out there rather than realities about what the situation is.

It was getting really annoying to me, until I realized this is a blog. Rumblings is a community blog which doubles as a secondary news service, not a news service that runs a blog. The blog writers have every right to, well, blog about the Bills. The FanShots are the sidecar while the blog is the motorcycle. There is just a lot of information provided that makes it seem like a news/journalistic site.

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by Dyl on Apr 13, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a fine observation, Dyl. Blogs are intended to present opinions, and the editors do a good job with that. I think, however, we will depend on a blog for news, even though this might be ill-advised.

As this specific episode has been sorted with the (diplomatic) editor, I won’t comment further, as to discontinue the hijack. : )

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by Undee on Apr 13, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

M. Barber is supposedly on the block as well

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question?

I like the idea of Freddie being the undisputed number 1 without the specter of a Lynch return, and I like the idea of a very good player coming in at running back. I know it would be less of a waterbug, but here is my question:

QUESTION – If Toby Gerhart is there in the 3rd, do the Bills take him, waterbug or not? I personally think he would add the right attitude, and even if he isn;t the scat back type, is he too good to pass up?

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by killascript on Apr 13, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

What happend if Axon Jaxon gets hurt?

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what I am worried about more: Freddie getting hurt and counting on guys like Ferguson and Mendenhall, or Freddie getting hurt and having to counting on Lynch to care enough to show up.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your point...

but you guys are making Lynch out to be some kind of evil dude…no one has said anything that can be credited to Lynch or Niz or Wilson, its all speculation. Does he want to be traded? Maybe, we dont know. Are Chiz tired of his attitude? Maybe. Is Wilson ready to move one? Who knows, we dont.

having to counting on Lynch to care enough to show up.

I would much rather worry about whether or not Lynch will show up (has almost a million reasons to show up) that worry about whether Mendenhall/Ferguson are gonna be as good as Lynch. This is simple for me, I know if Lynch is still on the team come OTAs and Training Camp (at the latest), he will show up. I do not have the same confidence in Mendenhall/Ferguson being high-quality backs like Lynch is. Remember that Lynch is by far and away our best pass blocking back.

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess if he cared he would’ve been at the voluntary camps.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Four words

Jahvid Best second round

Am I beating this horse to death yet?

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Let me just say that if the Bills do end up picking him in the second round I will do a crazed dance of joy, and in all honesty, I’m not sure if it would be more because of the player they got or because I called it.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would go Best.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure Tebow is the man. I don’t dislike him and I wouldn’t be nearly as upset as some around here would be if Tebow was picked, but I think that Best is more of a sure thing then Tebow. It is close but I would go Best.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

would you still choose

Best over Tebow if you knew that i would be crying somewhere and then drinking myself into a stupor to get over my disappointment?

Oh wait, now you’ll just be happier when it happens!

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by poz on Apr 13, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that’s not a deterrent.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tebow

as long as we drafted O-line in the first. The thought of Tebow in New England scares the bejesus out of me.

by WhiskeySierra6 on Apr 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

to say the least….

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

he had two in college.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

How would we get him?

I don’t see him being available….

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well if he is…..obviously if he isn’t on the board it can’t be done. I think he will be there though. I could be wrong.

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by sireric on Apr 13, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beefing up

I still don’t think adding a couple of fringe preseason RB’s does much to add depth at the position. Neither should be counted on for anything more than picking up a handful of preseason carries.

If the Bills were serious about trading Lynch and building depth before doing so, why wouldn’t they pursue a Justin Fargas or even a LaMont Jordan, Kevin Jones, Ladell Betts or Chad Simpson? At least you know you can give some of them a handful of carries a game. Signing Mendenhall and Ferguson does nothing to add capable depth at this point….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

What it tell me is that these two slugs can run into the back of our O-line as well as Lynch

Until we fix the line, does it really matter?

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Until we find a QB, does it really matter?

:)

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by Kurupt on Apr 13, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even Edwards can hand the ball off :-P

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by Joe P. on Apr 13, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t mean beefing up depth, I meant literally beefing up, as in these are big dudes.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 13, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who's Chad Simpson?

Craig Simpson? He retired a while back. And he played hockey.

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by Der Jaeger on Apr 13, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think

this has as much to do with a Lynch trade being imminent as it does that we have a head coach who wants to pound the ball. He has no loyalties to anyone currently on the roster, he didnt pick any of them himself, and I’m sure he wants as many running backs in camp as possible so he can have the depth chart at the position look exactly as he wants it to come week 1.

Remember how Dick Jauron would stock up on DBs and then cut a bunch at camp?

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by poz on Apr 13, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Did he ever cut a DB? Seriously. I don’t remember one.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Apr 13, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lydell Sargeant
Cary Harris (cut and resigned)
Ko Simpson (traded during camp)
Will James
Dustin Fox
Kennard Cox
Reggie Lewis
Chris Thompson
Eric Bassey
Trevor Hooper
Riley Swanson

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by poz on Apr 13, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

zingy!

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by killascript on Apr 13, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Impressive list. I thought Sarge and Harris were on the PS. I didn’t really count that as “cut” even though they have to let them run the waiver wire gauntlet. Same with the Simpson trade. I completely forgot about James though it should’ve registered and blocked the names Dustin Fox and Kennard Cox from my memory intentionally. The rest of those names don’t even look vaguely familiar to me. :-)

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by WhyBillsWhy on Apr 13, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

some of the names like Dustin Fox and Will James bring you down memory lane, not a good lane, but memory lane nonetheless. The rest are just scrap names which I think goes back to my point that being a DB guy, Dick Jauron was always bringing guys in just to see if they had a quality he was looking for. I can see Chan Gailey doing the same thing with these backs hes bringing.

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by poz on Apr 13, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sargeant was placed on season ending IR during camp. He's still on the team.

Harris was a final cut and then re-signed 2 months later. What you could say though is that none of those players were drafted by the Bills.

by twoeightnine on Apr 13, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. That’s an excellent point and probably why none of them registered in my head when trying to think of DB cuts.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Apr 13, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lynch isn't going anywhere...

I have serious doubts that we are going to get rid of Lynch. I doubt anyone will give us what the front office thinks he is worth. Count me as one of the only people who think that Lynch and Jackson will still be our featured backs on Day 1.

by Rob B on Apr 13, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Count me too, your lonely list is growing

+1

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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 13, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scary...

I grew up in Northern California…maybe that is our problem?

by Rob B on Apr 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats funny

Cause out here in San Diego Sproles is called a “water bug” all the time. And the Chargers are looking to unload him, and possibly interested in Beast Mode

IMO

by Foilhat on Apr 14, 2010 2:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Why would they want to unload Sproles? He’s their ONLY running back.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Apr 14, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bills GM Nix expects Lynch in minicamps

By JOHN WAWROW, AP Sports Writer 55 minutes ago

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP)—If running back Marshawn Lynch(notes) wants out of Buffalo, Bills general manager Buddy Nix has no intention of making a deal.

Without discounting the growing trade speculation involving Lynch, Nix on Wednesday said Lynch is under contract and it’s not up to the player to determine whether he’s dealt. Reiterating what he told Lynch this offseason, Nix said he expects the player to report for the team’s two mandatory minicamps scheduled for June.

Lynch’s future with the team became a question after the former first-round draft pick failed to attend the team’s voluntary workout conditioning program, which began two weeks ago.

Lynch has not spoken publicly on the matter, while his representatives have declined comment.

by Rob B on Apr 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Great. Also, this would be appropriate for it’s own fanshot. :-)

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