Thoughts on Bills' selection of RB C.J. Spiller
by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:16 PM EDT
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PrintIf I'm choosing one word to describe the Buffalo Bills' selection of running back C.J. Spiller with the No. 9 pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, it's "ambivalent." Seriously conflicting ideals are competing for dominance in my mind this evening, and I honestly just don't know how to feel about this pick at the moment.
I absolutely love C.J. Spiller as a pro prospect. Holy crap, this guy can play. He came in eighth in my pre-draft Top 50 prospect rankings; I've felt strongly that he'll be a great player for months, and clearly the Bills got solid value out of the selection. Ultimately, when it comes right down to it, I have a hard time getting riled up about the Bills taking a great player with unique talents, outstanding college production, and high character. Spiller will be a star in Buffalo, for a whole bunch of reasons that we talked about a little over a week ago.
I'd have taken Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen where Buffalo sat, which shows how much I know, because Clausen will still be available when tomorrow night's second round kicks off. He is the best player remaining in the draft at the moment, and it's not close.
I don't have a problem with Buffalo passing on the tackles available for Spiller. The same goes with the nose tackles and the pass rushers; with the possible exception of Rutgers tackle Anthony Davis, a fairly serious character risk, none of the players available at those positions are elite prospects. None have the ceiling to add as much long-term impact to this team as Spiller does. And if Buffalo can swing a way to get Clausen in the second round - if they feel the value is better there - then what little I disagreed with tonight will be forgiven.
Here's my only problem with what happened this evening: no matter who we bring in, this franchise will continue to spin its wheels until they have a franchise quarterback in place. That's the bottom line. Clausen isn't the only QB available that fits that bill, and I'm hopeful that the team comes away with one tomorrow - the earlier the better. Open competitions, Chan Gailey working with the current crop - these are not appealing options to me. Get a guy to build around and go from there. I think Clausen's that guy; I won't complain if the Bills prefer a guy like Colt McCoy, but something needs to happen at quarterback. I just don't want to exit this weekend knowing that no matter the talent added, we're still burning rubber in neutral.
Hence, ambivalence. I love Spiller, and I'm excited that he's a Bill. But Buffalo's biggest fish remains firmly out of the frier, and I can only be hopeful that Nix, Gailey and the folks at One Bills Drive understand that, and have a sense of urgency about it.
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Summary
Spiller: “Great player, horrible pick.”
Not landing Tebow “Always a bridesmaid, never a birde” (think Cowher, Gruden, McNabb, Shanahan, etc.)
Grade: A effin’ F
John I.
It cannot be an F if he is going to be a great player. C, maybe, but not an F.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Not when they picked a player at a position that is the second strongest on the team
This move made the no better
John I.
That’s just because you have a different take on need versus best player available.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
No, I love Spiller as a player
I just don’t see how he helps a team with Freddy Jackson and a former first-round (#12) 23-year-old Pro Bowl RB. Again, I like Spiller as a player, but you can’t just ignore pressing needs – not when your needs are three of the most important positions on the football field – QB, LT and NT.
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 22, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jackson won't be a Bill in a few years
and Lynch might not be in a few hours.
With Jackson approaching 30, Spiller becomes a major factor pretty darn soon.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Great, let the rotationg door at RB continue...
Good draft strategy, draft a new RB in the first round every three years.
The fact is, Jackson is here NOW and so is Lynch. Both are good backs, if not great. The team hasn’t had a good o-line in a decade or a good QB in two decades! Why pass on guys that can help you at those positions for a guy at a postion that has a NFL-low shelf life of 4 years?
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 22, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lynch is limited. He doesn’t bring anywhere near the dynamic that Spiller brings. Jackson doesn’t bring them either, but I could live with Jackson.
Fact is, right now the Bills have three backs that are different types of backs. Spiller is by far the biggest weapon of the three and that’s what you want in a top ten player. Someone who will play immediately and bring something to your attack.
BPA.
Thou shall not drinketh thy KoolAid...
I'm not saying I agree with that "strategy"!!
QB was, and will continue to be the biggest hole this team has. If we don’t get Clausen, I’m guessing we dont’ take a QB until late. And the rebuild is delayed yet another year….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Correction. The rebuild is not delayed – immediate results are delayed.
2010 Bills' truth in advertising: "Look out Cleveland, this year we score 6!" - bluecollarbuffalo
by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The NFL is an immediate results league.
Coaches and GMs don’t have years to turn it around anymore. They have to show significant progress in year 1. Especially when your owner might not be around in days.
by twoeightnine on Apr 23, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
thank-you
Why do ppl talk so much about rebuilding? This is the NFL were winning is expected every year. The goal is to win now, not next year.
by buffalobacker on Apr 23, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Because you cannot win this year if you’re the Bills. You need a QB to win and Buffalo doesn’t have one. You need time to develop a QB and that’s what rebuilding is. It’s commiting to a QB, letting him develop and building around him based on his specific needs and abilities.
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And the rebuild is delayed yet another year….
I disagree with this statement. BPA is sometimes frustrating because we take players who don’t fill the biggest needs. Spiller will be a difference maker.
I could see us using spiller as a receiver in the slot quite often, looking for ways to get him the ball. We actually had a need at Slot – go figure…
But the fact that Bulaga, Williams & Clausen fell is a clear indication that our scouting department and GM are really on the ball and understand value and how to evaluate talent.
The only other pick remotely close to us that would not have been a reach would have been Anthony Davis who had a bunch of flags for immaturity, not sure we wanted to sign up for that.
You rebuild through the draft by selecting Playmakers that can change games. IMO Spiller fits that description. We have too many needs to be so pessimistic K, if we don’t get Clausen in Rd2 and chose to wait and get a QB next year, what’s the big problem? Who’s to say that Brohm won’t step up and surprise everyone? I was extremely impressed by Spiller’s character, this kid seems solid both on and off the field. I was and still am a Clausen fan and I wanted Clausen at #9 but even I cannot deny now that that would have been an error, considering that he dropped to this point.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
could see us using spiller as a receiver in the slot quite often, looking for ways to get him the ball
I was talking last night with my friends that I think he can be a Thurman in the passing game for us. Unlike Stone Hands Lynch
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 23, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not being pessimistic
Jeez, I can never get away from that.
Not getting their franchise QB in place for another year would mean the rebuilding is delayed another year. Remember, most rookie QB’s need a year to learn or at least grow into the role. We’ll still hvae to go through that if/when we eventually get a QB….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Ok I see your point.
I think Cody will fall to us at #41 so I could see us sending Kyle Williams to the Rams for their #33 maybe even throw in Youboty for good measure.
Coming out of the two first rounds with Spiller, Clausen & Cody wouldn’t be a bad draft!
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
Coming out of the two first rounds with Spiller, Clausen & Cody wouldn’t be a bad draft!
be an f’in awesome draft!
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 23, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The next big need for the Rams is DT and there is no 4-3 DT left that comes close to Kyle Williams. I don’t really want to lose Kyle Williams but if it means that we can land Clausen then it makes sense.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
They can take Brian Price
And get a player who will be good for them, and who has the potential to be great.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Everything I hear says the Bills reallllllly like Kyle Williams.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think that's happening
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
but we aren't going to win now
We took a player who the Bills thought was the elite player at his position and better than the other positions with the top players left.
IF it is true they wanted Tebow, than I am not sure about the QB position, but I am pretty sure, we might have a VERY special runner to build the team around for now, and have a few more picks and possible trades to get some more good players on this team. There are very good line prospects left, as well as other posiions. We got an awesome player… chill out on the F
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by killascript on Apr 22, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said I was looking to win now?!
Quite the contrary. Grabbing a running back in the first round hints more at wanting to win now than taking an offensive linemen or a QB that won’t be ready to start for another two or three years (Tebow).
By the time Buffalo does become a contender, Spiller will have 2-4 years on his belt. As I stated, RBs have short shelf lives, so why draft one at the very beginning of your rebuilding period?
As Der Jaeger highlighted in his “Rules of Drafting Post,” you draft a RB last in your rebuilding process, not first. That way, he’s in his prime when you’re making your run and not at the beginning of his decline.
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 23, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously the Bills and every other team wasn’t that high on Clausen with only Josh “I don’t know how to build a roster but know how to destroy one” McDaniels bit on Tebow.
The Bills could very well like McCoy better and that’s why they went BPA. They can walk out tonight with either Clausen or McCoy – if they do then what’s the issue? If they dont’ then maybe the don’t feel either one of them have franchise potential.
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 23, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
You're disappointed I understand
but thats overreaction. When is the last time we had a home run hitter at the RB position? When is the last time we had a true matchup problem on offense? Thats years now. I’m not doing cartwheels right now, but we are a better team.
There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not
by PozDispenser on Apr 22, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
OJ
Was the only HR threat we ever had, but when we had good o-lines we had great runners including cribbs, bell, Thomas, Henry and even decent ones in magahee, lynch and Jackson
by wab2 on Apr 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kenny Davis had some big runs too....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
So did Joe Cribbs.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 22, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
When is this team going to learn that you build a team from the inside, out?!
The Bills can have the best skill players in the world, but if they don’t have an o-line to block for them or a QB to get them the ball, then they have nothing.
W/ Lee Evans and TO last year, Buffalo could/should have had one of the most feared passing attacks in the league. One problem – they didn’t have QB that could get them the ball or an o-line that could protect long enough for them to get open!
Without the guys in the trenches, the “skilled” players mean nothing
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 22, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The question was: Are they a better team?
The answer is yes.
The Bills can have the best skill players in the world, but if they don’t have an o-line to block for them or a QB to get them the ball, then they have nothing.
We have six more rounds.
There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not
by PozDispenser on Apr 22, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Three years ago, the Bills used the #12 pick on Marshawn Lynch
He’s 23 years old. He went to the Pro Bowl. Jackson has continually earned his stripes.
No – adding another RB to this stable did not make the Bills better.
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 22, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can adding arguably the most talented offensive player in the draft to an offense that was 30th in yards and only scored 16 points a game not help? He was the only player in Division I to score a TD every game. He can do it from the backfield, he can do it in the return game. He runs excellent routes. You have to cover this guy with a CB. That is going to open up holes in the run game, the defense will have to get more speed on the field.
More to the point, as I already mentioned, we have six rounds to go. Its not like we’re not going to draft an O-lineman here.
There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not
by PozDispenser on Apr 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yeah
What he said. Really…TO was supposed to change the game for our Offense and got a key to the city. Spiller can run, catch and return kicks for scores (points on the board = good) at any time, from anywhere and his pick (not necessarily Spiller himself) is being blasted! Maybe not the best to compare TO and Spiller…but regardless, you want a guy with pick 9 to have an immediate impact and Spiller will do that. Great pick especially with 8 picks to go this year in a rebuilding process that, because of the number of holes to fill, still won’t be enough to address all areas of need. Wake up…this team is woefully under-talented and many positions and adding a guy like Spiller will have a huge and immediate impact.
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by rockybillboa on Apr 23, 2010 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Without the guys in the trenches, the "skilled" players mean nothing
Tell that to Fred Jackson, who popped off 4.5 per last year behind 11 different starting offensive lines.
It works both ways. Good trenches help skill players, and good skill players help trench players.
Jackson and Spiller both have an innate ability to make lines look better than they really are. That’ll help our young unit develop. We obviously need to add more talent to said unit, but this pick actually HELPS the line, if only tangentially.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
To add:
The Super Bowl was played between the two best offensive teams, who had average or worse lines and average or worse defenses. There’s lots of ways to be a good team.
…but this pick actually HELPS the line, if only tangentially.
Tangentially. And here I thought the idea was to improve the line more than just tangentially? Silly me.
John I.
You don’t need to get feisty – I did say, if you read closely, that we need to add talent to the line.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see our 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round picks all being fat boys on both sides of the ball on Sat
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
To add on to that
Because Spiller is so dangerous, teams will not be able to blitz us like they use to. Screen passes, swing passes, and hot routes to the flat can turn into 6 points in the blink of an eye. This is the first player for the Bills in a long time that other teams are going to have to game plan for.
by The Irishman on Apr 22, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That F can become an A or B if they can get Clausen tomorrow.....
Right now, the Bills get an INC from me.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Are a football team?
They picked Bradford. Why would they need to pick Clausen too?
by twoeightnine on Apr 22, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Could have taken him at 1, and don't get cute....plenty of other teams that need a QB
"I'm a peripheral visionary." - Steven Wright
That doesn't mean they wouldn't have viewed him as a franchise QB....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I'm talking about the Rams
Why are you so un-Joe-like tonight?:
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I am spent......Spiller pick broke my spirit......waiting for the asprin to kick in so I can go to bed
"I'm a peripheral visionary." - Steven Wright
Bulaga broke your heart that much???
:)
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Hahaha.....guess I missed on that one, but I will get to see how his short arms hold up vs Allen
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amen
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah so?
32 teams did not need a franchise QB like you said. How do you know the Rams didn’t view Clausen as a franchise QB? They could have believed both Bradford and Clausen were franchise QBs but preferred Bradford.
The Rams weren’t going to take him, Lions weren’t, Bucs think Freeman is their franchise QB. Redskins just traded for McNabb. Chiefs have Cassell. Seahawks might have. Browns, Raiders, Bills, need one. and so on.
by twoeightnine on Apr 22, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
tampa bay, cleveland browns, KC, OAK, seattle, AZ, carolina, vikings
all those teams need steady franchise qbs.
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That's 8 teams not 32.
One of which thinks they have their franchise QB in Freeman (TB), one that gave a HUGE contract to Cassell to be their franchise QB. (KC) That leaves you with 6.
by twoeightnine on Apr 22, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
More like 4
First, Carolina didn’t have a first round pick. At all.
Seattle traded for Whitehurst. They think he’s the successor to Hasslebeck. Minnesota still thinks Favre is coming back. They’re not about to alienate him by selecting a QB in the first round, instead of taking a player who can actually help Favre win next year. Plus, Chilly is still inexplicably high on T-Jack.
It’s more like 4 teams could have conceivably selected Clausen, but didn’t. And two of those teams were picking in the top 10 (Cleveland, Oakland) and already have major financial obligations to at the QB position.
And if people (not you, others) are going by the “32 teams passed on him, therefore he’s not a franchise QB logic,” then guys like Favre, Brees, Brady, and anyone else not selected in the first round wasn’t a franchise QB.
ooook
keep drinkin that kool aid
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
what about what he said didn't make sense?
…Once, Pluto doubted Tim Tebow. Now it is no longer a planet.
maybe the fact that freeman will never be a franchise qb and was a tremendous reach when he was picked
maybe that whitehurst hasnt taken an nfl snap yet and cant be considered one either.
maybe that t-jack is terrible
and russel is terrible (no matter the financial obligations) and delhomme and wallace arent gonna cut it in cleveland….
duh
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, you think Tebow has franchise QB potential, I can’t take any of your opinions seriously on that subject, especially if you’re saying that Freeman will never be a franchise QB.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
ok i dont really care how anyone takes my opinions. but tebow will be a franchise qb long before freeman hahaha
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
either one
freeman aint gonna make it
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Freeman is just as legit a franchise qb candidate as anyone in this draft, save maybe bradford.
they made the trade because they think Whitehurst is a starting NFL quarterback. even if you don’t agree, you understand why they aren’t looking for another one.
T-Jack…yeah maybe he is horrible, but there’s a reason they havent cut him, they think he can play. I actually probably agree that they dont view him as the answer, but that just adds one team, it doesn’t discount his point.
The only reason Russell is still on the roster is because they still think he can turn it around.
Cleveland, eh. yeah i guess. I just think that if a team like them, that has 99 different other holes didn’t take clausen, it doesn’t really reflect too badly on him. maybe they don’t think he’s a surefire franchise guy, but maybe it’s because they thought haden was a better player. that doesn’t mean clausen can’t play.
for the record, i was with you on tebow, but that doesn’t mean that clausen can’t play.
…Once, Pluto doubted Tim Tebow. Now it is no longer a planet.
im ok with clausen at 41 first of all
i just wanted tebow more.
freeman went high because of a panic move by TB
the only reason JR is on the roster is because al is delusional
whitehurst is a huge ? more so than clausen, tebow mccoy or bradford.
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay
freeman went high because of a panic move by TB
the only reason JR is on the roster is because al is delusional
whitehurst is a huge ? more so than clausen, tebow mccoy or bradford.
All of this is true. I agree with you that Freeman probably won’t amount to much, Jamarcus Russell sucks, Tarvaris Jackson is garbage, and Chaz Whitehurst is a question mark (though not any more so than the QBs you’ve listed, considering Whitehurst has at least been in the NFL for years now).
But you know what? What I think, and what you think, does not matter one bit when considering whether a team needs a QB and was likely to select Clausen.
What matters is whether the Bucs, Seahawks, Vikings, Raiders, Browns, (etc.) organizations believed that they needed a QB. If they didn’t, as most of them didn’t, then they weren’t going to consider Clausen, no matter how highly rated they had him on their board. Franchise QB or not, nobody’s going to take Clausen if they think they already have a franchise QB on the roster.
Cleveland wasn’t taking a QB at #7 overall because of how much money they devoted to the QB position last offseason. Yes, they probably fixed nothing, but there’s still a ton of money invested there, and taking a QB in the second round makes more financial sense for them.
And let’s not forget that the Browns, Bucs, Raiders, Chiefs, and Seahawks (twice) also passed on Tebow, and the Vikes, Cardinals, and Panthers made no effort to move up for him. Two teams were in on Tebow yesterday. Buffalo and Denver. Teams run by noted super-successful people Chan Gailey and Josh McDaniels. I think Tebow was worth a second round pick (25 was a reach, 9 was an enormous reach that would have been even worse than Alualu), but endorsements from those two braintrusts don’t mean a whole lot.
Freeman wasn’t a panic move. Raheem Morris was the defensive coordinator at Kansas St. for a year when Freeman was there. Everybody was speculating before the draft that Freeman was Tampa’s guy. It was the plan all along.
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Piggy-backing on what Joe said...
It’s clear that 32 teams didn’t think highley enough of Clausen to make him a first round pick, including the Buffalo Bills. In fact, the Bills thought more highly of Tim Tebow, a guy that is at least two years away from being an NFL QB. So what does that say about their opinion of Clausen?
And regardless of their opinion of Clausen, from my point of view, Clausen is crap. He’s arrogent, egotistical, and immature. He’s not a franchsie QB that I want in Buffalo. So in my opinion (and yes, I know it’s only my opinion), even if Buffalo traded up to draft him tomorrow, their grade would still be an F. They missed out on the QB they really wanted and did nothing to address the pressing needs on both of their lines.
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 22, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec.....and thanks for being able to think clearly......I honestly can't right now.
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Also rec'd
Call me stubborn, but I wanted Tebow, not Clausen. Not only because I think Tebow is just going to flatout outwork everyone else in the league which should guarantee him success, but because Clausen, in my mind, just is not the guy, for the exact same reasons you listed above. Well done.
They missed out on the QB they really wanted and did nothing to address the pressing needs on both of their lines.
don’t we preach not reaching? Isn’t that what we would have done?
Tebow is no lock to be a franchise QB and if he was I guarantee you Nix would have taken him at 9 – but he didn’t. I’m sure he would have liked to get him in the 2nd but you don’t always get the players you like.
If they were really hard on him they would have mortgaged the farm and moved back up into the 20’s. I know it was reported that we were on the phones trying to move up but we have no idea what compensation we were really willing to give up in order to get a guy that might, maybe be ready next year to start.
I’m sure they know Tebow is no lock but has a lot of things they are looking for. I’m sure Clausen or McCoy are firmly on their radar and they probably beleived that 2 or all 3 were going to be available in the 2nd round and that’s why they passed.
I have no problems with it because you don’t always get the player you want. I’m glad they didn’t reach and went BPA even if it was a position of strength over a position that we dno’t have a starter because i’m sure they didn’t feel strongly enough about those guys and they were proven correct because all of them would have lasted until the 2nd if it wasn’t for McDaniels.
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 23, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
To piggy back
Chris Mortenson says teams draft QBs in the first round they love. They only like Clausen. He’s a valuable addition somewhere here at the top of the second.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
liking a QB
One of the big issues with being an athlete is progressing. There are lots of good HS kids that fizz out in college because they stop progressing. SAme with college to the pros. There always is the chance that a team picks a player (QB) that they maybe only “like” that continues to progress into something special…hence the QB’s that are good to great that were taken after the 1st (or undrafted). Obviously the chances just go down, especially for QB’s later in the draft. But if you don’t “love a QB” in the 1st, you pass.
That is my mood as well right now. My main problem is that they could have received equal value in Jahvid Best much later in the round.
And, as for Tebow, what annoys me most is that Buffalo wanted him, put a deal together, and got out-gunned.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Don't let the analysts fool you
CJ Spiller is miles ahead of Jahvid Best
I def wouldn't say miles ahead.....
I also think Best and Spiller are quite similar talents
by StroudFanClub on Apr 22, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok miles maybe an exaggeration
but Spiller is a bona-fide top-10 talent. Jahvid was a borderline first round talent. There’s a reason for that
The only reason Jahvid did not go top 10 is the concussion he suffered against Oregon State. They are the same guy.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Look I really cannot get mad about the Bills picking a player where he was supposed to go. Even if it isn’t at a position for need. We’re not going anywhere in 2010. Might as well load up on playmakers. What’s the point of reaching? Who would they have taken? Tebow at 9? He lasted till 25. Bulaga? He lasted till 23. Clausen? He’s still available. So what are we all crying about?
I think my point is trade down. They had a franchise QB they targeted and they missed on him.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Sure, I am just disappointed they didn’t get the guy they wanted (even if he wasn’t the guy I wanted).
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
I am too. My roommate is a diehard Broncos fan. All day I was telling him that I wouldn’t bet against Tebow and how badly I wanted him to be a Bill by the end of the day. I didn’t want him at 9, but I would’ve loved him at 25. And lo and behold, the Broncos take him. The worst part is he’s not even sold on him ( I don’t blame him I guess), and here I am pissed that the Bills didn’t get him.
At the end of the day, I’m glad we didn’t give up our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th to go get him. Especially with Clausen still available. Only our front office knows what their board looks like and maybe they have Clausen and Tebow not too far from each other.
As far as being ready on day one, Tebow isn’t close to Clausen or even McCoy. A couple years down the road, who knows?
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
I just love Tebow's upside
I think when he puts it all together, whether that be 6 months one year or two, he’s gonna light this league on fire. He has every other thing you look for in a franchise QB.
by Renegade23 on Apr 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Funny you say that, one of my roommates a Broncos fan and is pissed that they took Tebow, and here I am wishing it turned out differently.
by billsnterps on Apr 23, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm in the same boat.
One of my best friends is a Broncos fan. When I asked him who the Broncos were looking at, knowing how much I wanted Tebow, he jokingly said, “I think they’re looking at Tebow” to which I responded “I would [explicit] kill you.”
Denver ends up taking Tebow. Within seconds he receives a text from me: “I’m going to [explicit] kill you.”
With all the pre-draft speculation and the millions of smoke screens put up by every scout for every team, it’s absurd to claim they didn’t get who they wanted. Maybe who they wanted all along was Clausen. Maybe it’s McCoy. Maybe they don’t think any QB in this draft is going to even be a decent starter.
"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV
I’d love for you to explain what that reason is. It’s really easy to say something as if it’s fact, it’s tougher to back that opinion up with reasons.
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Analysts? I watched every game Best played. He is the same size and has equal speed and was just as productive.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Read above. The concussion against Oregon State. That is the ONLY reason Jahvid slid.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
I have to agree
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But the concussion is not a non-issue. I love Best too. I like Spiller more.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 22, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Best is better between the tackles and a little less explosive and dangerous getting to the corner. Spiller is absurdly elite when it comes to the return game too. I prefer Spiller, but I think they’re pretty similiar prospects.
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You are right about the inside running but Best has essentially the same 40 time as Spiller.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Well, essentially the same isn’t the same as actually being the same. But it’s not about the 40 time for me. I think Spiller is just a little more explosive at finding the corner and turning things upfield. I do think Best is a tad shiftier than Spiller and better at making guys miss in the phone booth. I’ve got them graded out extremely close. I just prefer Spiller by a little bit.
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I think with Spiller in house, Lynch and Parrish are both long gone now
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Definitely. Let’s hope Buffalo can get something for them.
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Lynch to Tampa, Seattle or Houston....
Maybe the Giants
Let’s hope they can get a mid rounder….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Only problem is Buffalo still really weak at WR. Not that Parrish is much of a receiver.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Spiller would moonlight out there like Sproles does on occassion
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Shawn Nelson...
…could split out wide also.
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." --Abraham Lincoln
Shawn needs to play a whole damn season before I trust him with much
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
i watched both players play against the terps multiple times (yes,cal played md the last two years) and i would have to admit that id take spiller over best no question
by billsnterps on Apr 23, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
No he’s not. He’s ahead, but certainly not by miles. Maybe a few feet.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok I admit I made an over-statement
my main point is, I can’t get mad about the Bills taking a guy where he was supposed to go. I’m glad we didn’t reach. I’m glad Nix didn’t make a move to set this franchise back by another 5 years. Now if we get Clausen tomorrow, we might just end up with two top-15 talents in the 1st two rounds. That’s a win in my book.
I think Best is the better RB right now
Spiller is the better all-around talent, with a much higher ceiling.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
if we can make Clausen happen
it will be a A
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Great article
Agree with this assessment 100%. Love the fact that we didn’t reach for anyone. We stayed calm and took the highest rated player. We still have Charles Brown and Jimmy Clausen on the board. I’d rather have Clausen, but I’d consider Brown a decent consolation prize tomorrow. Clausen is clearly the best player available right now.
Tebow sounded better that i think he actually would have been
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
by billsoferie on Apr 22, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I will rec that…
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Charles Brown go unpicked?
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I'm pulling for Good Old Charlie Brown in the 2nd
I wonder if he’s ever had a crabby girl in a blue dress offer to hold the football while he kicks it?
There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not
by PozDispenser on Apr 22, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Saffold, Brown, Kindle are all still out there too
by DCBillsBacker on Apr 22, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Good call on Kindle.
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I’m still excited here, there are some pretty good players out there, and just based on numbers we are going to somebody pretty good. I cannot get upset with the Spiller pick until I see what happens tomorrow.
by DCBillsBacker on Apr 22, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Price too, I don’t know if he fits in the 3-4 but another team ahead of us may want him allowing another player to drop to us
by DCBillsBacker on Apr 22, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Price fits the 3-4 at all and I’d be shocked if the Bills drafted him.
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Agreed, but I think somebody before us could want him, allowing a player that fits for us to drop
by DCBillsBacker on Apr 22, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I have so little constructive comments to add to this discussion so I will try to limit my deconstructive attitude right now. Getting Spiller wasn’t upsetting, it was confusing. Watching us not trade up for Tebow stings. I thought it was going to happen and it made it worse that Bellichick swung the trade to burn us. I’m pretty disappointed. What a let down. I guess Marshawn is gone, so I will no doubt owe sireric a post. I dont think we’re going to get Clausen. The Vikes will take him with their new second rounder.
Im pretty upset right now. I’m seething mad and controlling myself in this post. Only boozing has saved me from being truly angry – weird I know.
LT, QB, OLB, NT all remain unaddressed. Great…at least its a deep draft.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Apr 22, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Only boozing has saved me from being truly angry – weird I know
Nah, not weird. It’s good quality to have booze turn you into a fun guy instead of an angry guy. Who wants to be friends with the angry drunk who always ends up finding trouble?
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haha thanks kaiser
you brought a smile to my face when I didnt think it was possible tonight.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on our QB situation the rest of the draft. Hopefully its something that can cheer me up because I think Clausen is gone to Vikes.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
rec'd........I think I am to disapointed to be that mad yet
"I'm a peripheral visionary." - Steven Wright
Ducasse should cheer you up in the second no?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
great point, and a painful one
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Why not?
If we don’t take a QB, why wouldn’t they be looking OL? If they have Ducasse ranked highly, it makes sense….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I think its likely they tried for Tebow
Did you see what the Broncos gave up?
There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not
by PozDispenser on Apr 22, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually dont know
though dont the Broncos now have 5 or 6 second rounders? Good on them huh?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
They knew who they wanted and got him
They also got Demaryius Thomas, who I was potentially also pulling for. Sad. Tomorrow is another day.
There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not
by PozDispenser on Apr 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
"Tomorrow is another day"
Amen. Yea, the Broncos were savy today.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Denver has one 2nd and two 3rd's....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
really?
now im showing how much I boozed huh K? What did they get for all those trade downs then?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Broncos
Received a 4th from San Fran
Two 3rd’s from Philly
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
wow
Im shocked. I thought it would have garnered something more than that considering how far they moved down.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
It was the fact they did it twice, so if it had been a straight up drop it would have been more
But that first trade back hurt them a bit by reducing the points to the area where the Eagles were, still, we could have used those ourselves….
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
yea that makes sense
McDaniels is wheeling and dealing
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I am not disappointed, except in my fellow fans
Everyone is down on Spiller, like he’s the second coming of McNabb in Philly.
Do we have two good RB’s already? Yes. Has one of them asked to be traded and not even called the new FO guys? Yes. The sad thing is that Lynch would have been easier to trade if he didn’t have so many off field issues. I seriously hope we can get at least a 3rd (this year) and a 5th (next year) for him. Is our other RB already 30? Yes. This is beginning to sound like an area of need to me.
I’m ok with not selecting a QB, but I know I’m also in the minority in thinking that Edwards confidence and career can be salvaged. But it seems like everyone is upset that we didn’t get the best NT/QB/LT in the draft. Funny thing is I didn’t see Fred Smerlas-Kelly-Wilford come out of college yet, so it seemed likely somebody would be disappointed. What we did get was a top 10 talent in the top ten. Which is better than reaching for the 4th best LT, or the third best NT who really is the 20th best player, or for a QB that has now fallen into the 2nd round. It makes me think that maybe Chix does know what they are doing after all.
If after the entire draft is done, we still have some serious holes, yes, I’ll be a little more worried than I am right now. Kindle, Saffold, Brown, Tate, Clausen, Cody, Campbell, Ducasse and Benn are all still out there. My guess is you all will feel a little better after the next two selections are made.
and we'll only get one of them
Kindle, Saffold, Brown, Tate, Clausen, Cody, Campbell, Ducasse and Benn are all still out there
So we get one of them? Thats not the point. The point isnt Spiller. I know Spiller is great. The point is that fans wanted a direction. We can still get that if we take a Ducasse. Then we know we put Wood at center and with Levitre and Ducasse plus Jackson, Lynch and Spiller we will become a hard nosed running team.
Lighten up Moose, your disappointed in us? We’re not burning the place down, we’re not ripping apart CJ Spiller. Some of us wanted a QB really really really badly. We’re allowed to be letdown by it without incurring disappointment. I dont think Clausen falls to us with the Vikes picking second. I dont want Colt McCoy personally. You believe in Trent, thats great. But not all us wanted to go through that again.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
The point is that fans wanted a direction.
and I think that’s what we got Poz.
instead of reaching for a player that might not have any impact we get a guy who is almost guaranteed to have a big impact on a game. you take players you love in the 1st (mrw), not guys you like.
I think this is the direction we were all looking for because they didn’t go after a guy that they didn’t feel was a playmaker. That’s a pretty different philosphy than how we’ve been drafting…
We got the tools, We got the talent
by J2 on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
We got a direction. We are now a run first team, which in our climate/stadium makes sense.
I thought that my Smerlas-Kelly-Wiford hybrid comment was light. I was just trying to head off the let’s get rid of Chix now attitude before they even complete their first draft.
Wow
With the boozing, that was spectacularly coherent. Kudos poz!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
many thanks K
I think the mix of booze and disappointment has made me remarkably coherent. Its a strange balance.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Something shocking always sobers you up!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
aint that the truth!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
BPA
Spiller was clearly the best player available to us. Right now I am starting to feel like I might bein trouble with my bet with Eric.
I think the Bills stay put and wait it out and if claussen is there they take him. But I really think that the Vike will take him at 34, we still have the Campbell option.
Rebuilding a team properly takes time and patience
My thoughts
I’m going to be disappointed with not getting Tebow for a while. What happened tonight was what I feared. I think taking Tebow at 9 then working to get another player later in the first round (OT, RB if they really wanted one).
The best we can hope for now is trying to get Clausen. Though I somehow think Nix isn’t going to pick him.
I’m headed to sleep tonight as disappointed as I’ve been in over 20 drafts.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
by Der Jaeger on Apr 22, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I agree with all of this
rec’d. Sadly, rec’d.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Your completely right, Der Jaeger. How many of your rules of drafting did the Spiller pick go against?
Many.
Not getting Tim Tebow will haunt me, especially now that I know the Bills wanted him.
When I see him running around, making plays and acting like a kid out there….I’m always going to feel sad for the Bills. sigh
by StroudFanClub on Apr 22, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Four
Never pass on a franchise QB if you don’t have one.
Never reach for need, unless it’s a QB.
Don’t draft a RB in the first round.
Add a RB to your team last.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
by Der Jaeger on Apr 22, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish you were GM!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Me too
Right now, me too.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
We didn't reach with Spiller
And a team shouldn’t reach for need, unless it’s a QB. Which would have been what Tebow at 9 would have been.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
No, those first two rules MAY have been broken. But if neither Tebow nor Clausen pan out, we’ll be talking about how CHIX made the right decision to pass on them in a few years.
Also, I don’t think anyone is arguing that this pick was a reach, so I don’t get that. Spiller is top ten talent according to nearly everyone.
"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV
Dude, missing the point
Spiller wasn’t a reach. Tebow would have been. But reaching for a QB isn’t something I’m against. It’s the only pick that it’s OK to reach for.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
My mistake, I didn’t realize you were saying you should reach for a QB every time. I interpreted it as you shouldn’t reach unless it’s a QB in which case reaching is ok but not mandatory.
I mean, they’re your rules, so you can make them be whatever you want.
"The horse jumped over the f#@king fence."
- KV
Exactly
They should have taken him at #9. We knew it was going to be a risk by passing on him and then trying to trade back into the 1st. We just didn’t have the ammunition to get that done.
Now we have to hope Tebow fails!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yes I know
But it’ll hurt more if he becomes a superstar…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
This isn't quite like the feeling of losing Super Bowls or the Stanley Cup
Similar to losing Drury and Briere a couple off-seasons ago.
What could have been…….
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
very very sad
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
by silverstreak3k on Apr 22, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed Brian
Here’s my only problem with what happened this evening: no matter who we bring in, this franchise will continue to spin its wheels until they have a franchise quarterback in place. That’s the bottom line. Clausen isn’t the only QB available that fits that bill, and I’m hopeful that the team comes away with one tomorrow – the earlier the better. Open competitions, Chan Gailey working with the current crop – these are not appealing options to me. Get a guy to build around and go from there. I think Clausen’s that guy; I won’t complain if the Bills prefer a guy like Colt McCoy, but something needs to happen at quarterback. I just don’t want to exit this weekend knowing that no matter the talent added, we’re still burning rubber in neutral.
I don’t mind Spiller at all, and would approve of the pick if the Bills had been able to secure their QB. I am not a huge Spiller fan, but am looking forward to him being a bigtime playmaker for us. I would feel much, much, much better about the pick had the Bills been able to swing the deal with Baltimore for Tebow. The fact that they missed out on the QB they wanted so badly is a crushing blow.
The Bills can remedy all this by getting Clausen tomorrow. They need to swing a deal with STL because I think Minny could take him. Right now, I’d give them an incomplete grade. If they end up with Clausen, I will approve. If not, it’s hard for me to really get behind what’s happened tonight.
Side note, how did the Bills not give the Ravens a better offer than Denver? Didn’t Denver give up #43, 70 and 114, while getting Tebow and #119?? The Bills own picks #41 and 72, along with #107. If they REALLY wanted Tebow, why didn’t they offer those picks for what Denver received back? That offer would have knocked Denver’s out of hte park. It’s amazing that that is what kept the Bills from getting Tebow, and not addressing their QB hole.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I don't think Clausen is the pick
I don’t think Nix and Gailey like him as the QB of their team.
I would like Clausen. Brian’s right. We need a quarterback.
Quit, don't quit? Noodles, don't noodles? You are too concerned about what was and what will be. There is a saying: yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." --Oogway
Yeah probably not
But we’ll see tomorrow. If they do like Clausen, they will have to find a way to get him….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
You’d better hope so, because as Brian so shrewdly pointed out this franchise in the worst of ways needs a franchise QB; Jimmy Clausen is just that. However, I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if they like McCoy more which I wouldn’t get at all, since the guy has very poor arm strength.
"The one commonality in both places (Oakland and Buffalo) is an aging owner who keeps interfering too much. Ralph Wilson continually butts his nose in the football operation and tells the team who to draft"
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Apr 23, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I really do think this feeling I have can be washed away with one Jimmy Clausen
He’s a great prospect. We’d be sooo lucky to get him at this point.
But sadly, I’m not getting my hopes up.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 22, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
K, I think the Bills feel that every pick is needed at this point, its a 2-3 rebuilding process, and Nix is willing to walk away
That was a ton of picks to give up to get Tebow, and ones we didn’t have to spend as freely in OBD’s mind
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
They were trying to trade back into the first
They obviously (I’d guess) were offering picks. Unless they were offering 2011 picks, I don’t know why they wouldn’t have offered Baltimore that package….
Again, if they REALLY wanted Tebow as it sure appears they did, they should have done this…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I think the Bills offered their 2nd this year, and most likely their 4th along with a 2011 2nd or 3rd
But the Ravens obviously felt that getting all three picks in this draft, one of the most loaded in years btw, would be a better option
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
I guess we have to hope it was something like that
If they Bills weren’t offering the swapping of 4th’s (for example), they’re nutty.
I’m guessing, in the end, the Bills didn’t want to give up their 3rd. They probably offered their 2nd, a later pick, and next year’s 2nd….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Thats what I think it was, and I got to admit, if I was the Ravens, a 2, 3 and 4 this year would make it a done deal
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
And I’m thinking the Bills wanted to use all their picks in such a loaded draft.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally, totally agree
“That offer would have knocked Denver’s out of hte park. It’s amazing that that is what kept the Bills from getting Tebow, and not addressing their QB hole.”
4 years from now, we will look back at the guys we end up drafting with the picks needed to get Tebow, and cry. It will seem like such a no brainer when you put a face to the pick.
When you identify a Franchise QB, you gotta do whatever it takes to get him. Denver obviously understood that.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 22, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless, of course, we are all saying what an amazing draft this was because the Bills kept all their picks and used them all on major improvements to the team, and found a way to get a franchise QB some other way.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
Side note, how did the Bills not give the Ravens a better offer than Denver? Didn’t Denver give up #43, 70 and 114, while getting Tebow and #119?? The Bills own picks #41 and 72, along with #107. If they REALLY wanted Tebow, why didn’t they offer those picks for what Denver received back? That offer would have knocked Denver’s out of hte park. It’s amazing that that is what kept the Bills from getting Tebow, and not addressing their QB hole.
Maybe they like Tebow, but they don’t think the disparity between Tebow and the next highest QB on their board (whoever that may be, feel free to speculate) is worth giving up that many draft picks for? For a team with as many holes as Buffalo, not giving up a #3 to move up for Tebow is a sensible proposition if the don’t see Tebow as being that much better than McCoy/Clausen/J. Brown/Skelton/whoever’s next on their board.
It is a possibility that they like Skelton almost as much as Tebow, and felt that once the price got past a certain point
And needing to have both QBs spend time learning the pro style O they run, that waiting too later in the draft was the smarter move once Denver countered to the Ravens with their deal
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
agreed, dmk.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Love the Spiller pick
And we still have Brown,Saffold,Gronkowski,Campbell,Clausen,Cody, and Thomas still on the board
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
finally, some reason
thanks
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
we needed a difference maker
we got one, we can build this team into something around a guy like this
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by billsoferie on Apr 22, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Cody may be the guy, especially if McCoy or Clausen are gone. That weight worries me a lot.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
not me
it is what we need
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by billsoferie on Apr 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Chix wants to run, with Spiller and Co. were gonna run. I think were focused to much on getting a franchise QB this year. Maybe OBD see’s it differently. What’s wrong with trying to improve our run game? Won’t that help the QB whomever that will be? With all i’ve read Spiller seems to be a game breaker type back, who also can improve are special teams play. Great pick-up by a FO with a plan to run the football effectively. I’m just thankful this FO has a plan and seems to be following through with it. GO BILLS
by buffalobacker on Apr 23, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Make a move for Clausen
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
by billsoferie on Apr 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasted pick
Spiller is not much btr than Jackson, so our best pick did almost nothing to improve the team. Our line still sucks. We have been down this road before twice with magahee then lynch. If there is no value at your position of need you should trade down. This will set us back two years again. Even more worrisome is nix’s plan to not play him at running back, but make him a scat back. He could end up another Roscoe parish or Reggie bush, both smallish speed guys that are bug dissapointments. Wasted first round picks, lynch, mckelvin, magahee, losman, mcargo, Williams, maybin. A total of 4 or 5 years of decent production out of all of these picks. I am sure I forgot a few top 10 busts.
by wab2 on Apr 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Spiller and Jackson
are two different players
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by billsoferie on Apr 22, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
thats true
but wabs point remains valid. The Bills needs 24 hours ago are the same needs now. We face the same issues today we faced yesterday. I thought we’d have done something different.
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by poz on Apr 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
disagreed
in three years with buffalo jackson’s longest rushes are 27 yards, 32 yards, and 43 yards and has 5 career rushing td’s. he is a heck of a back and plays hard for us but he is not a scoring threat and thats what we need.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Apr 22, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
the scoring threat point is a good point. But RB, at least to me, was our deepest position on a terrible offense. Considering how many needs we had on defense as well, and how many playmakers were still on the board I feel pretty hollow right now. Marshawn put up some nice TD numbers when playing full time.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
forgetting
Gailey likes to run football. So what’s wrong with getting a gamebreaking RB? Why do you feel were deep at RB? Lynch is a character issue we and OBD don’t want. Freddy is a over achieving older RB. I don’t call that a deep position. I like OBD style so far. Sounds to me like Buffalo wants to run the football and do it well. If Lynch wants to be apart of this transformation he’ll be given that opportunity. I’m liking our possible three prong attack.
by buffalobacker on Apr 23, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Still weak at QB, OT, NT, WR……
I just hope we can get something for Marshawn of Whitner, otherwise at this point I think our draft will only solve half of the problems.
it would be very nice
to be able to move up with Donte at this point. Pretty tough first round for me Rob
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Two entirely different sort of players
We can put Spiller out at WR if we wanted and throw him the ball, Freddy is a screen guy at best. Freddy while solid, will not take the rock 60+ yards after breaking through into the defensive backfield
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Spiller is not much btr than Jackson
That is so grossly incorrect that I can’t believe anyone actually said it. And I love me some Freddie Jackson.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
thrilled.
Nix summed it up perfectly for me when talking to the media about Spiller’s ability to be a dynamic playmaker… “I know guys, we need a lot of things. We need that. We need to score points.”
That’s why I love this pick. This is a guy who can score and score in bunches. Yes, we need a lot of things… but first and foremost we need to score points to win games.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Apr 22, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
I just hope Spiller does indeed help them score those points....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
He should, either on KRs, or on swing passes
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Well
I hope he does it taking handoffs more….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I think he will, but I was pointing out the other areas in which he is a TD threat unlike our current crop
I wanted a playmaker, and I will admit that I honestly disliked ALL of the QBs this draft. So for me, Spiller is a solid pick.
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
I agree
And hope it happens ASAP.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
He should be a factor in the passing game as well
He’s a good route runner (best of the RBs in this class), has soft hands and will be a very difficult matchup.
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by PozDispenser on Apr 22, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering our lack of weaponry
He’s going to be a factor right away…in all facets.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Agreed, he will be playing in ALL facets no matter what, he becomes an instant starter for our team
WRs- Evans and……. who scares you? No one.
RBs- Freddy and Bong Mode, both of whom move the chains in close to the same fashion, just that Freddy plays with a heck of a lot more passion that Lynch.
TEs- Nelson and Schouman, both solid players in their own way, but no one you need to plan for.
Spiller in my opinion is better than everyone of those so called “skill” position players on our team, honestly, outside of Fred, I trust none of them, Evans is a #2 pretending to be a #1, and Hardy and Johnson are too raw still, unless something crazy happens this off season like a meteor hits them.
I think Spiller immediately, when played at either WR or RB makes that position better by leaps and bounds. Now we just need lineman to keep whoever the QB is upright.
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Exactly
You want to be able to look at your lineup and say “How is anyone going to be able to handle all these guys?”. Spiller is a step.
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by PozDispenser on Apr 23, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
A little optimism...
I kind of like the addition of Spiller. Consider this line-up for passing downs:
WR1 – L.Evans
WR2 – TBD
Split-End – S.Nelson
Slot – F.Jackson
RB – C.J.Spiller
Addressing the OT issue over the next SIX rounds (and another phase of free agency) and also the QB position (how does a J.Campbell trade sound now?) would allow the Bills to be pretty interesting to watch on Offense this season, I think anyway.
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." --Abraham Lincoln
i think spiller is in the slot there
and freddy in the backfield.
…Once, Pluto doubted Tim Tebow. Now it is no longer a planet.
Either way...
I just like the fact that over half (if I remember correctly) of C.J.’s touchdown RUNS went for over 30 yards each. Again, fun to watch.
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." --Abraham Lincoln
Swing passes...
…especially if Trent is the Bills starting QB next year. There will be a lot of those.
I just finished watching this highlight video of Spiller
He should be fun to watch next season. Now we need to get some guys to block for him
no instant gratification
but, I think they had every intention of not taking a QB or OL with #9. QB’s eh, elite OL prospects were gone. This is not going to be a 1 year fix. Hey, no one thinks Spiller can run through walls, so, we need and will get OL help. But, after the elite are gone, will there be quality there? I think so. Look at who’s left. This draft ain’t over. I think Spiller is better than Lynch on many levels and if you subscribe to the BPA approach we hit a home run.
Let it play out (maybe even for a year!) and see.
I’m not polyanna, believe me, but, given the state of this team, Spiller isn’t the dog in this race!
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by fansince60 on Apr 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The question here is, will we move up tomorrow? There is a great chance we land someone of need and value if we stay put. But, do we sacrifice a pick or two to land Clausen? I think its fairly simple. We should try to move passed the Browns to get Clausen, if not we end up with Cody or Kindle in the spot we move into. Or do we go for an OT? quite a conundrum for the FO i think.
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We should try to move passed the Browns to get Clausen
Dan, the problem is no longer the Browns but the Vikings who now have the Lions second rounder.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
ahh, duely noted. i shoulda thought of that.
and also I’ll say this: crap!
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by BillsfanDan on Apr 22, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll second you on that Dan!
Disappointing stuff tonight
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I wouldn’t say im disappointed. I certainly was shocked to see Spiller picked, but he was the top rated player at his position, which is always a good thing to draft. Especially at a position like RB.
The more I think about it, the more I am starting to think that the new FO is going to go for a COMPLETE overhaul. I think after tonight it is obvious we aren’t looking to plug holes. Drafting BPA no matter the position, to me at least, is an indication that Nix and Gailey want to upgrade everything. Which on the one hand is really encouraging, but also slightly disheartening because it is going to take a while for this to happen.
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by BillsfanDan on Apr 22, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great post...
Drafting BPA no matter the position, to me at least, is an indication that Nix and Gailey want to upgrade everything. Which on the one hand is really encouraging, but also slightly disheartening because it is going to take a while for this to happen.
Very sobering, but Im still encouraged…we’re in it for the long hall. This damn new format is messing with me though, I would normally go to sleep knowing the first three picks…ahhh!
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this format is poop. Thursday night, fine I can handle that. But now I have plans tonight and I’d prefer not to be on my phone all night checking to see if the Bills traded for a pick or similar news.
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for the record
my feeling for the pick and the night in general is: wordless
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by BillsfanDan on Apr 22, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yea to clarify
I change tonight from disappointing to confusing.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
it was always confusing
I just expressed myself poorly – I was drunk after all. Its hard to be upset about CJ spiller. Im just confused. My heart was set on a QB and we wont get Clausen either. I just dont want to have to go through Trent again for another season.
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I believe this pick is exactly what Chuddy said they were going to do
He was projected at 4 or 5 and was a good value at 9. Frees up Marshawn for a trade, and give Chan his waterbug. No suprise and I believe will pay dividends. I like how Chucky was saying its the new thing to be drafting defensive backs…if we did it he’d say we missed out
Defend the Herd
I don't know man
just wanted some thing more of a need with this pick. If he does score and give Buf a dimension we don’t have fine. But no NT or LT when 2 are avail…. I like Bell but how long does he get. Missed out on Tebow AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I hope at least more than what, 12 games?
I like Bell but how long does he get.
With another offseason now for him to bulk up (with real trainers this time) he may blossom. Nix may like Bell more than the guys that were left.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He's also rehabbing a torn ACL
~K
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BTW – to hijack my own thread – tremendous job tonight, folks. This was BY FAR the busiest night in the history of the blog, and I’m shocked and impressed at the overall level of respect and civility you showed tonight (even while most of you were drinking :) ). It makes my life easier trying to cover the team and moderate a community simultaneously when y’all do what you did tonight, and honestly, I could not be more appreciative. Tonight was fun, and that’s the way it should be. Looking forward to doing it again for the next two nights!
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you Brian
I gotta ask, did we set some type of record tonight for comments? I do not ever remember this many posts coming this fast.
by The Irishman on Apr 22, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The Spiller thread was easily the biggest thread ever at BR
We’ve had other nights with a ton of replies spread over a couple of posts…like free agency opening….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I remember free agency
being crazy, but not like this. Whether you love or hate the Spiller pick, I think one thing stands out. Nix is going to stick to his board and not reach. We (as in a lot of us on this board) clamored for Clausen, Baluga, even Hughes to a certain degree. All of those players fell into the 20’s. I just think that Spiller can be that type of change the game type player that does not come around very often.
by The Irishman on Apr 22, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
How many bannings?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Zero!
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa
Amazing.
Good work everyone!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Only because I was at work
And it wasnt Tebow at 9 lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
HAHAHAHA
And it wasnt Tebow at 9
Exactly! I would’ve been first…
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
No, thank YOU Brian....you run a great blog, pal.
You’ve created a community based on respect, so you shouldn’t be surprised.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 22, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC'D
Best.Blog.Ever.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think sireric did the community a great service with his preemptive notice to be civil.
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Hell yes he did.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and by the way
since we’re talking…I believe you told me there was no way the Chiefs would pass on Okung, Brian ;)
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I was completely flabbergasted. Totally went against everything Scott Pioli’s ever done, which goes to show just how highly he thought of Berry.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guilty
of getting my hopes up that Okung would fall to us, that notion of mine was pretty foolish in the end after all huh? haha
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believe, as soon as the chiefs took berry i was right there with you
by billsnterps on Apr 23, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping too.
I was praying the Seahawks would take Spiller and Oakland would pull a crazy Al
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Apr 23, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Marshawn to Seattle???
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." --Abraham Lincoln
as long as it's for picks - screw swapping
Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn
by NordicBillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of R.Bryant
Adding a true 3-4 NT-type would take one need of the wish list for this draft…
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." --Abraham Lincoln
I would be fine with a Red for Marshawn trade
we need more beef here
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Oakland would pull a crazy Al
There’s still time, but yeah…I was expecting Al to take either JPP or Tebow at #8.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Imagine the posts when these guys select a punter on Saturday.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
fun
people (gentlemen) who know football, a great moderator and passion for our team. No place like it for an intelligent exchange of ideas!
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Thanks BG & Rumblers
It was a, uh, um…fun night.
Great posts, let’s hope Chix pulls off something wonderful tomorrow.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
RBs
The biggest problem I have w/ this is that there are so many teams that we have witnessed rip our defense apart that have RBs that are 4th, 5th, 6th round…undrafted…
If he’s just “great”, that’s not great enough. Sorry. You can get a great running back by developing an offensive line and some semblance of a passing attack. You don’t need to spend a #9 pick on it.
Does the Spiller pick mean that Buddy Nix and OBD think the Bills are close to being a playoff team?
I think this is what I don’t understand about the pick. Isn’t it wise to build the rest of the team first and add the RB last, since RBs can play well their first year and they usually don’t last much past 29-30th birthday?
Does this mean Buddy and OBD think the Bills need to win next year? I’m just so confused by this. I really thought we would get a good rebuild. Draft a Franchise QB…..if not that, build the lines. I just don’t get this pick.
Yes, while he’s a great player, he’s being discussed as a guy who fits in multiple areas. They need a superlative athlete who fits one area so well no one else can unseat him.
I’m welcoming Spiller, but i’m questioning how these guys view this team. There’s not a lot of talent in the arteries.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is more like Triage this draft for the Bills, and once they get the franchise into the ER
They will then begin the job of suturing and repairing the damage in a more concentrated and forward moving way
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Maybe he believes
Spiller needs a couple of years to mature before taking over as the 1A back…or that he didn’t know if he was gonna see a player of Spillers caliber at RB in the next few years. He could be exactly what Gailey wants for his offense. I like the pick as BPA, I can’t argue with it.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
i think its the opposite of thinking we're close to being a playoff team...
more like: we need better players at every position, so take BPA. I respect that.
Spiller Pick
I think it means they want to run the ball first and foremost. I’ll be surprised if we trade Lynch. I’ve always thought in the NFL that winning is expected and attempted every year. I just don’t get this “rebuild” talk. Every team is rebuilding to reach the SB, why are we acting like this year is the beginning of a rebuild? To me every year is a rebuild to achieve the ultimate goal SB.
by buffalobacker on Apr 23, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The jump from 41 to 33 isn’t all that much on the value chart…..but the new draft format will skew things a bit. Anyone think the Rams will take much less than a 2nd and 3rd to move to 33? With some teams having extra 3rd rounders I can see someone meeting that price…
It can always get worse. Let me tell you how.
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what would it cost us based on pick value to move up to the Rams pick?
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I believe just our 2nd a 4th
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
really?
so in essence we’d be sacrificing a defensive pick at 4 to get a Qb
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Yeah, but as Ron noted, this draft has been screwy and some of the trades have been right on the newer charts and others way off
No telling now, thanks for not getting a new CBA in place NFL and NFLPA
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great point about CBA
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
If the Rams are willing to trade
and aren’t hellbent on getting our 3rd, I’d offer that 4th and one of the 6th’s for sure.
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Easily, but Nix and Chan have to want the guy
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
Of course
I’m guessing that they probably don’t, or might have made that move for him already….
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Agreed, I am wondering what they think of Skelton though
Both he and Tebow in my mind were going to need 1-3 seasons of pine riding before becoming starters….
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Right, I view (as a fan) tomorrow as round 1A and round 2.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's where i'm at...
All the talk from the front office was how they wanted to address the QB position, either before the draft or make it a priority. It seemed like a smokescreen to many, but perhaps their honesty was their biggest undoing. Though if QB was so important to them, they’d have taken the bait at 9, for whoever they saw as their guy. Their guy would have been worth that pick. So how are we to know they truly wanted Tebow when they only wanted him when it was “economical.”
So now to Clausen: is it possible they just want nothing to do with him? I’m not against him at all, but I think one thing that FAVORS him is that he would be a great fit for many coaches in the league, whereas Tim Tebow may not be. So, in the way too early discussion of what happens when (yes, when – not if) the latest coaching staff is let go, what might have happened to Tebow, who was a fit for a supposed scheme we keep hearing about?
That Clausen guy – he seems to be a better fit for more coaches, but apparently not enough of one to take him in the 1st round. Really Jacksonville?!
So I hope they do like Clausen and Gailey isn’t married to some spread idea. Let’s hope these guys are ready to coach a talented guy in any way that best suits him.
I still think they want nothing to do with any of the other QBs in this draft.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
good thoughts Afghan.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
It might not seem coherent. I was trying to get all my thoughts in quick. =)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
haha Im serious
a good read, well thought out.
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No I knew where you were coming from.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
so what now my friend?
Where do you see us going from here?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I see these guys hoping Brohm is the guy, with an open competition. Perhaps they go for Campbell. I don’t think they take Clausen. I think they realize the risk they’ve put themselves into by waiting until now. I also think they don’t view it as “their” risk because I believe they have other plans. Those plans probably aren’t going to win the favor of fans right away.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
I guess Campbell is something we should prep for at this point huh
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I like him a lot. I wouldn’t consider it “settling” either, as some people are apt to. He could step in right away and he has fabulous mechanics.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
And i’m sad. Tebow was going to make me feel like a kid again, in support of this team. I hope Denver doesn’t know how to use him and they offer him up.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I echo that sentiment
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
But funny how Denver is Boston west, huh? McDaniels has them wheeling and dealing just like Belichick does.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
"And i’m sad. Tebow was going to make me feel like a kid again, in support of this team"
Great thought! Putting into words how I feel. Just the thought of Tebow playing for my favorite team and making the Ralph fun again was so exciting for me.
I really thought he was going to bring back good football to Buffalo.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
His game reminds me a bit of what the old days must have been like. I really think he could be a player much like Fran Tarkenton.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
what's done is done
All that I can hope for is that CJ becomes the 2nd Bill to rush for 2000 yards (or 1000 each for him and Fred).
I’m really hoping for Clausen but I don’t want to break the bank to move up to get him. Do you guys think that we should stand pat and take McCoy, if available, or toss in a 3rd rounder (assuming that’s enough) and jump up to take Clausen?
In my opinion teams are built in the later rounds of the draft. Teams that can find starters in rounds 3 – 7 are the ones that ultimately succeed so giving up a plethora of late round picks is undesirable from this armchair GM.
Tebow
Sorry guys, I am trying to follw the draft via the internet in Australia. I missed the bit about the Bills trying to trade up to get Tebow (which has left me gutted that he will warm a bench in Denver instead of starting in Buffalo).
Was there something from the Bills publicly saying they tried to get him?
Anyway, I agree with Brian’s post. I am ambivalent about the pick. I would be happy with Spiller if we picked up Tebow.
Now I am just confused and annoyed. They’ll probably draft a fullback tomorrow just to completely screw with our heads.
LaCaforna from NFL Network said on air that the Bills were trying to move into the Ravens spot
And that the Broncos blew Ozzie Newsome away with their offer (their 2nd, 3rd and 4ths)
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Schefter said the same thing on ESPN.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have been fine with a Tebow trade up myself, but that is a lot of useful picks for a team that can't afford to give up too many right now
Personally Brian, I think we are only in year 1 of a 3 year rebuild myself.
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They swapped 4th's....
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Good, the Broncos blocked the Bills from making the dumbest pick in the draft.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe we have potential at qb now, they just never got trained properly
I do believe we need depth at a lot more positions, but these guys (Chuddy) are working their plan…they’ve already planned their work..I lke this better than Maybin and leodis picks
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I'm not going to lose sleep over might-have-beens
Spiller is a good player, who, whether we want to admit it or not, does fill a need. Not a positional need, but a conceptual need. He was a good value where we got him. He also fills multiple roles (third down back, returner, split wide). I have no problem with the pick. We didn’t get a QB, but you don’t win them all. You re-evaluate and move on.
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Sidebar:
I know why the Broncos unloaded Marshall… They needed to clear jersey #15 for Tebow.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
let's hold off on the hysterics until tomorrow
That means for once you too Galliford. Has anyone thought that we could still get Clausen or what? I mean we probably will have to trade up or do something like that, but yeah if we end up with Clausen were going to get the BEST Running Back and likely the BEST quarterback in the draft for like what a 3rd round pick or something?
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I am too, to see if these guys actually want to upgrade their QB situation. I guess Campbell is still in play. Who knows, maybe Pitt really really really wants to get rid of Ben.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You must be seething on the inside
knowing the Bills won’t be drafting Deji Karim anymore!
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No B.S. Nix said he drafts BPA
It is obvious the bills didnt have Clausen rated that high. So Nix went BPA. Well our offense has stunk for 4 yrs. Can spiller be that bad of a pick?
Lets see who falls to us at 41. I hear rumors from a friend who says the bills are high on mccoy. Same friend said the bills were extremely high on spiller.
it would have cost us too much to move up for tebow. Im not giving up 3 picks to get 1 player. We have a long way to go as a team and patience is what we need. Lets give Nix the benefit of the doubt, because he didnt pick a player at 9 who fell to late first round, and in clausens case out of the 1st rd all together.
Let the offseason begin
Agreed, and while I like Pickle better than the Pistol, I could live with it
But damn, we need some LT and NT beef here
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Beef!! its what for dinner
Or my favorite
Wheres the beef?
Well if they dont like the Qb’s, who says we have to pick them! Im fine with LT. I think NT can be had in the 3rd. If QBs are available, and we pass on them at 41, then Nix doesnt think to highly of them I guess
Let the offseason begin
In that situation, I think Skelton comes into play heavily, he like Tebow would need to sit for a few seasons
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McCoy strikes me as another Thigpen. While not horrible, not someone who will be a household name or huge star in the league. So far, I like me some Brian Brohm best in 2010.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want McCoy under any circumstances.
I’ll be happy if we can get Claussen without forfeiting picks to trade up to get him. If he falls to us it’s a no-brainer pick. However, if Charles Brown, Saffold, Cody, Cam Thomas, Sergio Kindle, other nose tackles are available, I would find it hard to go wrong with any of them.
Would love Clausen
but I will be happy if Brown, Saffold or Campbell can fill the LT void for the next 7 years
BPA
How many years have the Bills drafted by putting need over value? And how many times have we dissected those exact 1st round picks and bashed them? Finally the new front office takes the BPA and everyone’s mad? I don’t get it.
LOL – We complain for years that we don’t pick BPA,and when we finally do we complain. If we get Clausen, McCoy, LeFevour, or a good QB, DT, LB, etc., it’ll all be OK. We’re not going to be contenders this year anyway, considering how strong Miami, NY Jerks, and Cheatriots are, so let’s just build the team up with some studs, since we seriously lack in that area anyway.
Plus, trading Lynch could help in this regard also. Still a long way to go in this draft. I like Brian feel the void at QB but know that someone will get picked eventually.
in respond to you and Renegade
I think the disappointment is not so much in Spiller but in the fact that once it happened, we expected a trade up for Tebow or a QB, especially now that it looks like Clausen is a Viking.
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I'm dissapointed that we didn't get Tebow
But I am not disappointed that we didn’t out-bid Denver to get him. Clausen is still available. If you’re a McCoy guy, he’s still there. Ultimately we really have no-one behind whom Tebow can sit and learn.
I’m largely with you, but the Jets gave up a TON to get Sanchez and it hasn’t hurt them.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez was ready Day 1
Tebow is more of a project. You love his potential, but he’s not ready to start until next year maybe more and I couldn’t justify trading the house for him unless you’re sure he can make the transition. Clearly the Bills didn’t. I can’t fault them for that. They tried
He looked pretty ready throughout the last 2 years of college. He’s not ready to be a “traditional” QB. I argue that he ever needs to be one to succeed in ways Vick only dreamed of. Yes, way to early to annoint him anything, but I refuse to doubt his ability or his ceiling.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not doubting Tebow at all
Far from it. I’m just saying I can see how a team might say that he’s too much of a prospect and we have too many needs to give up all of our mid-round picks for him. And I’m ok with that. I don’t want to over-pay to find out if I’m right. Especially not if my next rated QB(s) are still available (pure speculation – I have no idea if Clausen and/or McCoy are close to Tebow on the bills’ board).
Not at all.
A handful of scrubs, the 17th and a 2nd rounder. For a guy who was ready to go right away on a team with a ridiculous defense.
Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff and Abram Elam. That’s nothing. The only thing they gave up was a 2nd rounder.
by twoeightnine on Apr 23, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately I think Clausen is gone. It may be time to get the LeFervour
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But his arm is fairly void of producing any throwing velocity. How would that do for games in Buffalo, NJ, or NE?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
cody with 41, then Skelton in the 3rd.....might panic and trade up to the second to get him
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Skelton I could live with, but I don’t think he’s an improvement over Brohm. I think Brohm has a chance on this team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
But his arm is fairly void of producing any throwing velocity.
That is absolutely, without a doubt, the weirdest way you could have said that. :-)
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Yeah “He’s got no arm strength” would have sufficed!
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Skelton will be our 3rd round pick
If we don’t trade up for Clausen….
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Damn I hope you’re right. A bit more of a project, but has all the tools.
by radan on Apr 23, 2010 7:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the Vikings draft Clausen, does Favre retire?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 22, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
not necessarily
even if returns he only has one year left. Clausen can learn from watching the best and then take over.
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huge incremental improvement
In my mind there are two things that go into the value of a selection: how much better the player is than others in that position and how much that position can contribute to winning football games.
From a pure positional standpoint, obviously RB is deeper position for the Bills, but I see spiller more like the way Nix described him as a Harvin/R Bush type. From that perspective, this is a huge gain for the team because we simply didnt have a player like that on the roster. Jackson is flexible but he doesnt score a lot of points or break big plays, lynch can break a play but he doesnt have great hands and certainly doesnt have top flight speed… and well Roscoe… he just never proved he could play any position well. So from a positional need perspective, if you take a slightly broader perspective, I think this was a huge need.
From a value perspective… you need to score points to win games. You need to give defenses something to worry about. Lynch and Jackson do not require special game planning. Lee Evans special game planning is pretty simple… double him. And no matter who they brought in/bring in at QB, he isnt going to be a player that defenses have to be worried about right away. This is one of very few guys in the draft (is there anyone else like him?) who the Bills could bring in who could make plays by himself and help them win games.
At the end of the day, the goal of a QB/LT pick would be to score points. This pick has the potential to fill that same goal.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Apr 22, 2010 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
How many times have we heard people say “if only New Orleans could find a way to better use Reggie Bush.” If their plan is to make him into a successful Roscoe, i’ll enjoy the selection even less. Make the kid into a stud RB. Make him a superlative athlete at a position where HOF players are born.
How many gadget guys last in the NFL?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
chris johnson count?
last year chris johnson had 50 receptions. for the record that’s more than lee evans. just because he is a RB first doesnt mean he cant be a weapon all over the field. and to throw it back a bit further… back when my boy thurman was tearing it up, he was catching 60 passes a year. there is a difference between being a gadget player and being a threat from anywhere on the field.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Apr 23, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Johnson is a true RB. He’s like Marcus Allen meets Thurman Thomas.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
in his senior year johnson ran for 1400 yards, caught for 500 and had 23 total tds. spiller ran for 1200 yards, caught for 500 yards, and had 16 total tds. both averaged 6 yards a carry and 14 yards a catch.
will Spiller be as good as Chris Johnson? god only knows. But based on their production, similar speed and scores (spiller isactually faster than CJ!), and similar build, there is reason to believe he can be an equally special player.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Apr 23, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
and chris johnson played against nobody, whereas CJ Spiller played in the semi-legit ACC.
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I am a Bills fan that lives in Nashville, and when the Titans took Chris Johnson a few years back, it was met with a lot of "huh"’s. The Titans had many needs, but CJ was a difference maker in the minds of the front office, and a short time later, he is arguably the best back in the NFL and the unquestioned most explosive playmaker! Spiller is that caliber of player, and I believe that we will remember this night with much gladness for years to come! We have many needs, and they will be addressed, but you only have so many chances to get a player that can make a difference completely on his own! I believe we just got that in the “New C.J”
while i think that cj is a tremendous player
he is not what the bills needed. i said all along i would support what nix did, but spiller was the worst first round pick i could have imagined. if they had planned on getting spiller, they dang well better have traded lynch awhile ago. with bulaga falling that far and knowing that SD and JAX wanted a RB, we could have traded down and got draft pick gold. instead we stay still and get a rb that this team doesnt need right now. think about it, we could have traded down, picked up bulaga and tebow without losing both 2nd rounder we would have had trading back down. to say i am disappointed is an understatement. what can spiller do when they stack the box 8 men deep? what can spiller do when the defense can get off the field? what can spiller do when the blocking in front of him is mediocre? and most importantly. what can spiller do in 5 years when apparently this team will actually start competing.
how do you pass on a franchise qb for a position you dont need? how do you pass on an OT you desperately need for a rb? our best rb was freaking undrafted. yea what a hard position to fill. good job OBD way to ruin another freaking season
yes i understand this is harsh but im pissed and what better place to vent than here.
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 22, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I got on the Tebow bandwagon silver
now Im going to have to will myself off of it. It stings for sure.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
"we could have traded down, picked up bulaga and tebow without losing both 2nd rounder we would have had trading back down"
Wow. Just imagine how much better off the Bills would have been in this scenario. Un-real.
I feel empty inside. I was hoping Tim Tebow would come along and make these past 10 years seem worth the wait.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 23, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
um, no we couldnt
We would have moved down and gotten 1, but the other one still would have been taken. We were not gonna get an extra first round pick!
wrong
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What did Fred Jackson do w/ a crap line, other than avg over 4 YPC? Now give him much more speed to get around the outside, and the ability to juke LB’s out of their jock straps. Bulaga ended up going 23rd. You wanted him at 9? He has “Mike Williams” bust status written all over him. This is a MUCH deeper draft than other years, and Nix has a track record of finding great OL talent in the middle rounds. If we had a shot at Okung or T Williams, sure…..but they were gone. So why settle? We got the best remaining player in the draft……period! And Tebow at 25 was insane. Let Denver screw themselves over for years to fulfill their crush. Guess what? Claussen is still there, and hopefully Nix is on the phone w/ the Rams right now! I bet there are OL/DL names on the board that Nix has in mind that we dont, and being that he has PROVEN he’s quite good at finding hidden gems, let’s let him do his job, huh? I am 100% behind the Spiller pick. He will be $$$$$$$$
Good post...
but Bulaga is solid, not sure where you see bust.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Just a thought
But I wonder if the Bills would see if Roethlisberger is really available after the draft. With the timing of everything, it was probably unlikely he was going to be traded before the draft. Maybe this option pops back into play???
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But then wouldn’t it take away Pittsburgh’s ability to adequately replace Ben? Unless, of course, the Bills take Clausen and trade him for Ben.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I maintain
our future QB is in the ’11 class. Our present QBs are caretakers. Go ahead, start throwing bricks!
Our record in ’10 would be no better with Clausen and/or Tebow than it would with any of the current triumverate. In ’11 there are a couple QBs who can step in and start day one.
Patience is a virtue.
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Whatever. They could have literally drafted any player that didn’t play running back or defensive back and I would have fallen in line. So…they draft a Rb. Worse yet, at 41 they’ll prolly miss out on Colt, Clausen, Charles Brown, and Cody. Just fantastic. Where’s Jason from Ohio? I need to offer an apology. Just…whatever.
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by Jon Harrington on Apr 23, 2010 12:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That's it for me tonight.
Hopefully I will feel better at this time tomorrow when Jimmy Clausen is holding up a Bills uniform!
At least it was an interesting night
Time to get my #21 Spiller jersey
The way I see this is that the Bills can draft the best offensive tackle or defensive tackle with #41 and this will be a successful draft so far on paper.
CJ Spiller is a dynamic weapon who’ll give us a big boost on third down where I felt the Bills offense was at its worst for the past years.
And if Chix wants to give Trent Edwards one more shot then ‘Captain Checkdown’ has an unbelievable weapon to check it down to.
by Baron Hashimoto on Apr 23, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions
Have we had a back who went by his initials since...
Oranthal James. I hope he’ll do as well on the field. We got a back who can produce with a solid interior line. We’ll work on the passing game tomorrow.
Defend the Herd
Kool-Aid
Drink it, guys…this highlight reel makes it feel better. Not many human beings can pull off these moves:
by youcrazy on Apr 23, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
amazing video
calms me down a bit. dude is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Those are indeed some fine highlights
I love what he did to those Georgia Tech players. And that kick return against Maryland was beautiful.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
great video
although i must say that the thing i thought most during that video was “man college tackling stinks”
…Once, Pluto doubted Tim Tebow. Now it is no longer a planet.
…and the music in that video was better than that stupid Beast Mode song.
The move at 3:05 is unbelievable – I wish the video played it at full speed.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I find myself with thinking with the Spiller pick
And not trading up for Clausen, whether the Bills are now targeting Skelton, or Jarret Brown, as there 2nd QB option.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
please not brown
unless obd really wants to crush my spirit
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
At first I really didn't like taking Spiller but I've changed my mind
First of all Spiller is a stud, he’s going to make big plays and add another dimension to the offense.
Brian talks about getting a franchise QB, but in this draft I don’t think there is a guy outside of Bradford who doesn’t have serious question marks. I’m not even convinced any of the guys other than Bradford are better prospects than Brohm or even Edwards. I’m happy that we didn’t trade up and give up 3 picks for a guy who has all kinds of issues at the QB position.
I did want to address the OL and I was really disappointed we didn’t pick up an OT. However, looks like the only guy who had the talent to be drafted that high (Davis) had some serious character issues. So I have to give Nix credit for not reaching at number 9 and getting the best player available.
Now that we’ve got our stud prospect we need to address team needs like OL, DL, OLB, if we can get solid guys at those positions in the next rounds, this can be a great draft.
For some reason
Spillers versatility really reminds me of Marshall Faulk
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
One guy is really happy CJ Spiller is a Bill....
@Lightning28: I’m so happy to be a bill I can’t wait to get there tom. Let’s go Bills
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Already he's better than McGahee!
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hell yea CJ
hes a Bill now. As confused as I am, hes my boy now. Hes one of us.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
and he will be welcomed with open arms
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we shoud start calling him
Thriller. Even badder lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Spiller the Thriller
Hell yeah.
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To the "Jimmy Clausen is not a franchise QB because he wasn't taken in the first round" rhetoric.
- The Jaguars took Tyson Alualu at number 10. He was projected as a 2nd rounder by pretty much everyone.
- Anthony Davis probably went more than 10 picks over Bryan Bulaga on “upside” alone.
- The Chargers went up about 10 picks to get a guy who might have been there in the 2nd round.
- The Broncos (my favorite) went for Thomas and Tebow 1 round and 2 rounds too high respectfully because of the illusion of “character.”
The point here is that NFL Execs can make stupid moves, Clausen falling was just a by-product of that. Hilariously, if Tim Tebow had fallen to the third I’ll bet most of you would probably STILL be pounding on the “FUTURE FRANCHISE QB TEBOQ” angle. The anti-Clausen thing around here is freaking ridiculous.
(I love the Spiller pick, by the way)
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Was anyone else suprised to see 3 first round running backs?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I’ll be the jerk and say no. I believe they were all first round talent. Though, I expected Detroit to take Best at the top of Round 2 (apparently the Seahawks were going to jump ahead).
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Thats what I'm saying
With Bests injury hidstory, I thought there was a bout a 1 percent chance he was a first rounder, especially considering who else was on the board.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
1% is ridiculous. When you run a 4.3 with his production, there is a good chance he gets into the first round even with injuries (as long as docs clear him). Jeff Tedford did Best a service holding him out the rest of the season and bowl game.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
Really?
Dudes missed time throughout his career at Cal if I remember correctly. He’s certainly an elite physical talent, but that alone does not a first rounder make, Which is why a guy like bruce Campbell is on the board. And I feel bad for Best going to Detroits cursed RB position. Well at least cursed since Sanders retired.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
He missed a game his sophomore year. He missed the last third of his freshman year due to a freak elbow injury.
Sometimes, crazy injuries happen. But, Best is not a frail back, he is thick. And, he runs inside a lot more than Spiller.
Like I have said before, if Best does not get concussed he is a top 10 pick without question.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
i think i would have taken gerhart
over best
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well they're completely different types of back.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
i stand by my statemebt
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
plus didn't Gehrhart from a 4.4 in the 40?
not bad for a man of his size.
Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn
by NordicBillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I was more surprised to see him taken by DETROIT, with their need for an LT.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
detroit seems to always ignore their Oline
no matter how many 1st round picks they have…..its quite peculiar
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Jeff Backus bribed everyone in that organization.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
ha!
seriously though
they could have made out like bandits trading back and gettin okung or someone…..
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Not at all
I’m just surprised Mathews went so early. Best being in the 1st is not a surprise at all. I’m kind of surprised he lasted that long.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The Chargers are looking for a straight ahead runner with Sproles in the fold
But I don’t know why they moved up as much as they did to get him, not sure who else was a threat to take him in the mid 1st…
Nix and Chan, the new Cheech and Chong of the Bills, hopefully they will be as successful in business as they were, and not so much the drug fueled comedy act....
matthews
bakersfield represent!
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with all except Alualu. He has been rising very quickly over the last month or two as scouts became more acquainted with him. While I think it is a reach, the most likely scenario is that the Jags felt he was the best player on their board but could not trade down so they said ESPN be damned. Alualu will be a 10 year starter, just watch.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
I was shocked by Haden
He just doesnt have the speed I like in my corners.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I would have taken Wilson myself as the #1 CB, but thats because I looooove his tackling ability and toughness in press coverage
Shows you how old school in my CB thinking I am…..
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I would agree with that
I’m surprised Jackson and McCourtey went ahead of Wilson. Friggin’ Jets.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
4.5 in the 40 isn't awful
Not great, but not awful
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
It's fine
The guy holding the stopwatch may have had a slow hand. Anyways 4.5 is like what a difference of about a foot over 100 yards vs. a guy with 4.4 speed? Maybe we should ask Jerry Rice?
by syrbillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he'll pull a Byrd with him and move him to safety....
oh wait
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haden will be a pro bowler
just wait
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 23, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Haden has the most skill of all the corners, him going at 7 wasn’t surprising at all.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Despite that, he would have been there lower had they traded down, that’s why it was a bad pick. Lord knows that there were obviously a bunch of teams trying to trade UP…
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently all the rumors about the Texans and Mathews where true
and supposedly Seahawks where also targeting Mathews, so it wasn’t that crazy a trade by the chargers in retrospect.
Rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
i love this pick.
what’s wrong with u people? they aren’t gonna be a p;layoff team on one pick. they’re putting talent together.one round and you are all freakin out. this is sure a better first round pick than we’ve made in years, are we so used to being losers that nobody sees we just got a super kid. walt till we get all 7 picks or you’ll be eaten your words THIS KID IS GONNA BE A SUPER STAR.
RB Lifespan
I know over the last few days there has been much discussion about the average career span of a running back in the NFL. That mostly applies to the downhill north-south type running back. SPiller is of a different mold. I see Spiller as more of a Brian Westbrook type than LT. I see him giving great production well into his 30’s rather than petering out by 28. That gives the Bills plenty of time to iron out the difficulties of QB and offensive line.
Also, who knows what Nix and Gailey saw in the tape of our linemen still on the roster. Maybe they think with a few tweaks, and a RB like Spiller, the guys will look a lot better.
In hindsight this pick really wasn’t that hard to predict.
Nix and Gailey seem to like Bell and it looked like they probably weren’t going to draft Clausen. Nix is too smart to reach a round and a half too high for Tim Tebow, and the only thing they really confirmed pre-draft was that they wanted a Spiller-type running back.
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That plus we knew Gailey wanted a run-first offense.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Nix called Spiller a "hybrid"
I think that means we’ll see him playing a lot of slot receiver, in addition to running back and returning kicks. This pick does reduce the need for a slot receiver, slightly…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
because i’ve been stressing over our need for a slot receiver so much and all..
"To me it would have been a greater play if i'd got it in the end zone" - Terrence McGee.
I wasn't saying that at all
I’m talking about later in the draft. I’m talking about Spiller being able to handle multiple roles.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
This pick does reduce the need for a slot receiver, slightly…..
Buffalo’s 9th overall pick: making the loss of Josh Reed sting slightly less. Now that’s what i call value!
…Once, Pluto doubted Tim Tebow. Now it is no longer a planet.
I honestly don't know how that NE Patties bust is any better than Reed...
Seriously why didn’t we just re-sign Josh Reed?
Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn
by NordicBillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Quit being an ass about it, Reed was a horrible slot receiver.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
no he was a fine slot receiver.
it was being the #2 he wasn’t good at.
CJ Spiller: CJ stands for Chris Johnson.
I saw 2 huge drops in the Patriots game last year that say no.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
T.O. ||||| Wide Open |||| versus the Bucs |||| dropped
Is he a terrible receiver because of it? Reeds hands are usually pretty good. He is a decent enough slot receiver. Better than what we currently have.
Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn
by NordicBillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at all these guys who were even more horrible then.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232
Reed was an excellent, move the chains, 3rd option/slot receiver. He just wasn’t a homerun or red zone threat. Bills fans expect every player to have 1200 yards receiving and 10 TDs which was something Reed was never going to provide… and kinda funny considering the the guy on the team who’s paid like he’s putting up those numbers has only come close to them once.
by twoeightnine on Apr 23, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Overall.
Fine. Good, I’m glad we added the best player available. Also, that was a hefty price Denver paid for Tebow. Only thing I can say is that I am officially no longer a BPA guy. This selection was classic BPA, and I didn’t love it. Erego, bye-bye BPA.
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Fortunately for us, Nix is smarter than us. That’s why he picked Spiller instead of picking Teblow like some people here would have done.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Clausen? Seriously?
Listen, I was raised by a Dad who is a Notre Dame fan… so I’ve had my eye on Clausen and I actually think he’ll be an okay QB in the NFL. However, the people on this site (especially the one who put up the original post) is forgetting the fact that even Nix himself stated that it’s going to take a few years to get this team to where they really want it to be. So, stop with the immediate need posts… that isn’t their concern. The Bills are fine with going 4-12 this season and drafting either Jake Locker or Ryan Mallet next year in Round One. You want a franchise quarterback… those guys are going to be better than Clausen (or McCoy or even Tebow, for that matter). This is a true rebuilding, not just reloading for mediocre year-after-year performance. That is the plain truth of the matter. Not to mention, Gailey needs some playmakers on offense so that all of us (fans) are not calling for his head as an offensive-minded coach running a team without any offense half-way through the season. It’s going to be a difficult year to watch, but it will have its high moments and as fans we should watch for those and enjoy them when they happen… Spiller will probably provide half of the memories this year. Heck, for what it’s worth, Gruden about 2 or 3 picks before Buffalo took Spiller threw it out there that he didn’t care who took Spiller… the kid was going to be this year’s Offensive ROY. He’s a playmaker… need or not, Spiller will be a fan favorite by the 3rd game of the season.
DC Chocolate City!
saying someone is going to be better than Tebow is like saying that someone is going to be kinder than Hitler.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
why do you know everything about Tebow's future?
I’m just curious, because you respond to everyone’s post if they even mention him tangentially, to talk about how bad he is, so i imagine you must know exactly how he’s going to turn out. I guess I’m just wondering why you know that, and how you found out.
CJ Spiller: CJ stands for Chris Johnson.
I’ll stop the instant that the assumption he’ll be the greatest QB of all time stops. You’re right the exact same way I’m right.
The difference seems to be that some people think dedication is a good excuse to throw out lack of talent. I’m not fooled.
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
having an odd throwing motion is hardly lack of talent.
might i remind you he just got drafted by a NFL team? if he didn’t go in the 1st he definitely was going in the 2nd. he’s got talent, and no one is saying he will be the greatest NFL qb ever; they’re just saying that he will be a good QB despite everyone exaggerating his flaws.
Draft Eric Decker in the 3rd!!! Eric Decker > Jordan Shipley > Arrelious Benn
by NordicBillsfan on Apr 23, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Your hatred of Tebow
rivals Jason’s hatred of Tom Modrak.
Neither makes a whole lot of sense in the degree of hatred….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I didn’t speak of him nearly as much until everyone here and the NFL became convinced that he was a first round talent.
That plus I hate the guy in general.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
saying someone is going to be better than Tebow is like saying that someone is going to be kinder than Hitler.
Not only is this a silly statement, you also missed 90% of what djc1877 said.
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by thefourwinds on Apr 23, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I just agreed with everything else he said and there was a Tebow joke to be made.
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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by UZ on Apr 23, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
An update to those of you who asked earlier in the day
i’ve updated my sig.
CJ Spiller: CJ stands for Chris Johnson.
nice
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by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 23, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Brian
I share your feelings on the QB situation. However, at this point, if Buffalo does not take Clausen in the 2nd round then I’d prefer them not take one at all (not til 5th-6th, anyway). I view Brian Brohm as a draft pick of better value than anyone left, with the exception of Clausen, whom I think is almost identical prospect-wise. I was pretty shocked at the Spiller pick. It told me a couple of things: 1) the coaches feel they can fix the OL developmentally. 2) good bye Marshawn. There’s still a ton of talent on the board for tomorrow thanks to some supremely idiotic teams who have no concept of value in the draft (eh em, Jags… eh em Saints).
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ok the daze is starting to wear off......
and Brian captured my mood pretty much… mixed feelings. i think the question that a lot of people, from what I’ve been reading is Do we have the luxury of taking the BPA when you have other immediate needs? Then I was thinking well Lynch is gone anyway (could already have a trade partner for him) or maybe these guys are really planning on ramming the ball down peoples throats. I thought of a scenario of Spiller in the backfield with either Jackson or Lynch. That would definitely pose the defense some obvious problems and give Mr. Checkdown a vital weapon. I dunno, I really love Spiller but i’m still waitiing to see what else is we’re getting in this draft.
Campbell for a 4th round
If we dont move up in the 2nd then say by by to Colt and Jimmy there are at least 3 teams ahead of us that will take them. However Jason Campbell for a 4th round pick sounds very nice and would give us some on to develop a QB under
I’d surrender no more than a 5th for Campbell at this point. Washington showed their hand by nabbing McNabb. If they can’t have or don’t want Clausen, Campbell makes the next best sense. Actually he may make more sense than any rookie in the draft.
Bottom line is that they need to address the front lines and that may mean no QB in this draft.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
draft pick
I agree that Spiller is good. If I,m Jackson, I’m like LYnch and want a trade. Maybe we can move Marshmallow and move up to take Clausen. If not, what about Tony Pike from Cincinnati.?
I think we should have gone OL or Dl or Clausen. Just glad it wasn’t Tebow. Nothing against the guy, but he’s not ready to start.
for those who wanted Campbell? AWhy bother? He’s not THAT good.
Why would Jackson want out? He’s the feature back…by all accounts.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 23, 2010 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, I think I get it......
While I think there may have been better “need” players available and my initial thought was that the pick was a “luxury pick”, this kid can really play the game, looks to be a real threat offensively from various positional settings as well as a returner and, apparently, was the BPA on the Bills’ board……. ok, I can live with that. Now I just hope they start working their draft “from the football out”.
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On Second Thought
Maybe I shouldn’t be swayed by hype, but I just watched the NFL Network’s coverage of this pick. Michael Irvin compared Spiller to a “young Marshall Faulk” and Barry Sanders apparently loves the kid.
Maybe I’m grasping at straws, because the Bills’ needs involve guys who weigh over 280 pounds, but at least the “experts” like the player this year.
Now, please start drafting some bulk.
Maybe Claussen isn't everything
he is cracked up to be. Otherwise, why have so many teams passed on him. Personally, I like Colt McCoy better, but would still rather see the Bills draft a Q.B. next year.
- Hard to play QB, when you have no time to throw and no running game.
- Spiller was a stud for the past 3 years and is explosive, which is something the Bills offense needs – He also played with turftoe last year.
Take Kindle or Cody or a Nose Tackle with the next pick.
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